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Internet Projects About Jews in Arab Countries #general

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

For a special (non-commercial) project I'm involved in, I'm trying to
collect information about projects involving the Internet and the
genealogy of Jews in Arab countries.

Whether it is presenting genealogy materials of such communities (and
thus making them available to everyone), or researching with the use of
an Internet connection (not possible in the traditional ways), or even
preserving the culture of those communities with the use of the Web -
I'll be glad to hear about it.

Please feel free to suggest any such project!

Thanks in advance,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Internet Projects About Jews in Arab Countries #general

arnonh <arnonh@...>
 

Hello, Dear Colleagues!

For a special (non-commercial) project I'm involved in, I'm trying to
collect information about projects involving the Internet and the
genealogy of Jews in Arab countries.

Whether it is presenting genealogy materials of such communities (and
thus making them available to everyone), or researching with the use of
an Internet connection (not possible in the traditional ways), or even
preserving the culture of those communities with the use of the Web -
I'll be glad to hear about it.

Please feel free to suggest any such project!

Thanks in advance,
Arnon Hershkovitz, Israel
arnonh@tapuz.co.il


Searching for Polish survivors Wanda, Sara and Nelo Filkenstein #general

Cathy Nyhan
 

Hello,
I am trying to help a Dutch friend track down any
relatives of Warsaw residents Wanda, Nelo or Sara
FILKENSTEIN. Her Polish grandmother sheltered Sara and
her daughter Wanda >from approximately 1942-1944 in her
home in Warsaw. The father of my Dutch friend who is
the son of the woman who sheltered these women, is
still alive and would like to contact any releatives
of the Filkenstein women.
The following is more information >from my friend:

I looked up the information I have on the Jewish women
my grandmother gave shelter to during WW2. Here they
are:
· According to my father's friend who knew my
grandmother well the Jewish mother was called Sara
Filkenstein, 24-27 years old at the time of the
construction of the Jewish getto in Warsaw. She had a
fake identity card, *Kenkarte* in German, which had her
registered by the name of Sabina KARPINSKA. This is a
very Polish name to hide her true identity
· Her daughter was called Wanda, about 7-8 years old
at that time.
· Sara's father was a taylor and used to do sewing
jobs for my grandmother. He came to her regularly,
even >from the getto, but only in the first year of
it's existence. She also had a brother called Nelo who
lived in or near Ulica (=street) Nowolipie. Nelo used
to smuggle food into the getto.
· My grandmother's name was Anna GOLJAN, my father
took her name as she was not married to my grandfather
and her wartime address: ulica Wronia 82. This is
where she hid Sara and her daughter Wanda.
· Sara often spoke of her brother who had gone to the
US in 1939. Just before the war broke out. Her husband
had been called to serve the (Polish) army in 1939, to
fight the Germans.
· In 1944 Sara and her daughter left my grandmother's
house for a new hiding place in the storage room or
cellar of a bar in ulica Wolska 23. The bar belonged
to people she knew but we do not know the names of.
· >from there she managed to escape to the centre of
Warsaw during the Warsaw uprisal, helped by the
resistence (Banda Diliwangera).
· When my father's friend returned to Warsaw in 1947
(after Russian prison camps etc.) my grandmother told
him Sara had come to see her a couple of times. The
last time she ever saw her was in 1949, the year in
which she probably left for the US. Presumably by the
end of 1949, but might have been early 1950.

Thank you for considering my request.
Sincerely,
Cathy Nyhan
Berkeley, California


Re: NARA records index #general

Dave A
 

Avigdor

The NARA films are in Soundex order. The first step is to determine the
Soundex code for the surname you are seeking. In the example that you sight,
the second film you describe includes all people with a soundex code of R351
and a first name alphabetically equal to or higher then HINDE thru soundex
code S152 with a first name of Claus.

If you were seeking, for instance someone with a soundex of R352 or S128
they would be on this film. Scrolling through the film is a fairly straight
forward matter, the film is in soundex order and within each code, each
entry is in alphabetical order by first name.

Hope this helps!

Dave Kaplan
Fairfax,VA

Seeking KAPLAN Dockshitsky;Canter/Sanders Friesland,Netherlands/London

----- Original Message -----
From: "Avigdor&Laia" < lbendov@netvision.net.il >
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" < jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org >
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:10 AM
Subject: NARA records index

Can someone please explain the index system of NARA? If I am looking for a
surname, I look at film records beginning with the initial of the last name,
but then there are a number of films with first names, not necessarily in
alphabetical order.
For example, Film 1 A-999Abe--A 210 Zelig. Later there are films such as 30
R-351 Hinde--S 152 Claus Emil. I fail to see the logic here other than the
last name initial being in order. In "group 85" there are as many as 150
rolls and almost forty with the initial I am searching!
Must one search every film with the last name initial just to find separate
individuals, even though all of them came as a family group on the same
ship?! Shouldn't the family group be together on one film? NARA doesn't
seem to provide guidance on site, but allows for questions and complaints,
but who knows how long it may take to get a response. Nevertheless, I would
appreciate it if a fellow genealogist with experience in this can explain
the soundex index biz as NARA uses it.

Avigdor Ben-Dov
Director of Special Projects
Yad LeZehava Holocaust Research Institute
Kedumim, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for Polish survivors Wanda, Sara and Nelo Filkenstein #general

Cathy Nyhan
 

Hello,
I am trying to help a Dutch friend track down any
relatives of Warsaw residents Wanda, Nelo or Sara
FILKENSTEIN. Her Polish grandmother sheltered Sara and
her daughter Wanda >from approximately 1942-1944 in her
home in Warsaw. The father of my Dutch friend who is
the son of the woman who sheltered these women, is
still alive and would like to contact any releatives
of the Filkenstein women.
The following is more information >from my friend:

I looked up the information I have on the Jewish women
my grandmother gave shelter to during WW2. Here they
are:
· According to my father's friend who knew my
grandmother well the Jewish mother was called Sara
Filkenstein, 24-27 years old at the time of the
construction of the Jewish getto in Warsaw. She had a
fake identity card, *Kenkarte* in German, which had her
registered by the name of Sabina KARPINSKA. This is a
very Polish name to hide her true identity
· Her daughter was called Wanda, about 7-8 years old
at that time.
· Sara's father was a taylor and used to do sewing
jobs for my grandmother. He came to her regularly,
even >from the getto, but only in the first year of
it's existence. She also had a brother called Nelo who
lived in or near Ulica (=street) Nowolipie. Nelo used
to smuggle food into the getto.
· My grandmother's name was Anna GOLJAN, my father
took her name as she was not married to my grandfather
and her wartime address: ulica Wronia 82. This is
where she hid Sara and her daughter Wanda.
· Sara often spoke of her brother who had gone to the
US in 1939. Just before the war broke out. Her husband
had been called to serve the (Polish) army in 1939, to
fight the Germans.
· In 1944 Sara and her daughter left my grandmother's
house for a new hiding place in the storage room or
cellar of a bar in ulica Wolska 23. The bar belonged
to people she knew but we do not know the names of.
· >from there she managed to escape to the centre of
Warsaw during the Warsaw uprisal, helped by the
resistence (Banda Diliwangera).
· When my father's friend returned to Warsaw in 1947
(after Russian prison camps etc.) my grandmother told
him Sara had come to see her a couple of times. The
last time she ever saw her was in 1949, the year in
which she probably left for the US. Presumably by the
end of 1949, but might have been early 1950.

Thank you for considering my request.
Sincerely,
Cathy Nyhan
Berkeley, California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NARA records index #general

Dave A
 

Avigdor

The NARA films are in Soundex order. The first step is to determine the
Soundex code for the surname you are seeking. In the example that you sight,
the second film you describe includes all people with a soundex code of R351
and a first name alphabetically equal to or higher then HINDE thru soundex
code S152 with a first name of Claus.

If you were seeking, for instance someone with a soundex of R352 or S128
they would be on this film. Scrolling through the film is a fairly straight
forward matter, the film is in soundex order and within each code, each
entry is in alphabetical order by first name.

Hope this helps!

Dave Kaplan
Fairfax,VA

Seeking KAPLAN Dockshitsky;Canter/Sanders Friesland,Netherlands/London

----- Original Message -----
From: "Avigdor&Laia" < lbendov@netvision.net.il >
To: "JewishGen Discussion Group" < jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org >
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:10 AM
Subject: NARA records index

Can someone please explain the index system of NARA? If I am looking for a
surname, I look at film records beginning with the initial of the last name,
but then there are a number of films with first names, not necessarily in
alphabetical order.
For example, Film 1 A-999Abe--A 210 Zelig. Later there are films such as 30
R-351 Hinde--S 152 Claus Emil. I fail to see the logic here other than the
last name initial being in order. In "group 85" there are as many as 150
rolls and almost forty with the initial I am searching!
Must one search every film with the last name initial just to find separate
individuals, even though all of them came as a family group on the same
ship?! Shouldn't the family group be together on one film? NARA doesn't
seem to provide guidance on site, but allows for questions and complaints,
but who knows how long it may take to get a response. Nevertheless, I would
appreciate it if a fellow genealogist with experience in this can explain
the soundex index biz as NARA uses it.

Avigdor Ben-Dov
Director of Special Projects
Yad LeZehava Holocaust Research Institute
Kedumim, Israel


Registration now open for 2006 IAJGS Conference #usa

GerSig@...
 

The following is posted on behalf of the NY JGS.
Reply *** only *** to: Roni@jgsny2006.org (Roni Seibel Liebowitz)

"I am delighted to announce that registration is now open for the 26th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. The Jewish Genealogical
Society (New York) is hosting the conference August 13-18, 2006
(Av 19-24,5766) at The New York Marriott Marquis Hotel. Register on
our website at http://www.jgsny2006.org/ by clicking on the registration
link on the left. Instructions for a downloadable version for printing, a link
for hotel registration, and details about the conference are on the site.

The site will be updated frequently as new information becomes available.

In addition, for specific questions regarding the hotel or the conference,
please sign up for the
**** mailing list for the New York 2006 Conference **** by visiting:

http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/

Conference Co-Chairs Linda Cantor, Lucille Gudis, and Hadassah Lipsius are
spearheading a dynamite event. We look forward to sharing this exciting
experience with all of you.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz Registration Chair Roni@jgsny2006.org "


Early American SIG #USA Registration now open for 2006 IAJGS Conference #usa

GerSig@...
 

The following is posted on behalf of the NY JGS.
Reply *** only *** to: Roni@jgsny2006.org (Roni Seibel Liebowitz)

"I am delighted to announce that registration is now open for the 26th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. The Jewish Genealogical
Society (New York) is hosting the conference August 13-18, 2006
(Av 19-24,5766) at The New York Marriott Marquis Hotel. Register on
our website at http://www.jgsny2006.org/ by clicking on the registration
link on the left. Instructions for a downloadable version for printing, a link
for hotel registration, and details about the conference are on the site.

The site will be updated frequently as new information becomes available.

In addition, for specific questions regarding the hotel or the conference,
please sign up for the
**** mailing list for the New York 2006 Conference **** by visiting:

http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/

Conference Co-Chairs Linda Cantor, Lucille Gudis, and Hadassah Lipsius are
spearheading a dynamite event. We look forward to sharing this exciting
experience with all of you.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz Registration Chair Roni@jgsny2006.org "


26th Annual International Conference on Jewish Genealogy #austria-czech

Sharla Levine <austriaczech@...>
 

from the Registration chair of the next conference:
I am delighted to announce that registration is now open for the 26th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. The Jewish Genealogical
Society (New York) is hosting the conference August 13-18, 2006 (Av
19-24,5766) at The New York Marriott Marquis Hotel. Register on our website
at http://www.jgsny2006.org/ by clicking on the registration link on the
left. Instructions for a downloadable version for printing, a link for hotel
registration, and details about the conference are on the site. The site
will be updated frequently as new information becomes available.

In addition, for specific questions regarding the hotel or the conference,
please sign up for the mailing list for the New York 2006 Conference by
visiting http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/

Conference Co-Chairs Linda Cantor, Lucille Gudis, and Hadassah Lipsius are
spearheading a dynamite event. We look forward to sharing this exciting
experience with all of you.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Registration Chair
Roni@jgsny2006.org


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech 26th Annual International Conference on Jewish Genealogy #austria-czech

Sharla Levine <austriaczech@...>
 

from the Registration chair of the next conference:
I am delighted to announce that registration is now open for the 26th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. The Jewish Genealogical
Society (New York) is hosting the conference August 13-18, 2006 (Av
19-24,5766) at The New York Marriott Marquis Hotel. Register on our website
at http://www.jgsny2006.org/ by clicking on the registration link on the
left. Instructions for a downloadable version for printing, a link for hotel
registration, and details about the conference are on the site. The site
will be updated frequently as new information becomes available.

In addition, for specific questions regarding the hotel or the conference,
please sign up for the mailing list for the New York 2006 Conference by
visiting http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/

Conference Co-Chairs Linda Cantor, Lucille Gudis, and Hadassah Lipsius are
spearheading a dynamite event. We look forward to sharing this exciting
experience with all of you.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Registration Chair
Roni@jgsny2006.org


ICHEIC payments #austria-czech

George lavecky <georgelav@...>
 

Hello  to all contributors, 
 
I would like to add a further question  to the one
posted by Ron Hermann 18/11/05 in regards to his
father receiving a payment for his grandfather's
policies.
 
Is there a fixed amount per policy or is it a
blanket payment of $1000 US dollars
irrespective of how many policies are known and or
claimed for?
 
The second question is inregards to the said
$1000 US dollar payment which was recently received by
my wife for her grandfather ,  but the details of what
policies exsisted was not known, he was apparently the
only Jewish Judge in Lodg Poland , his name being
LANDE,  well what happens now ? does the search go on
or is the claim put into the too hard basket and never
to raise its head again? are we to be notified in the
future of any progress or results?
 
Does ICHEIC go on inthe same type of form  or will
it be disbanded in the near future?

 
I understand the closing  off date of claims to be
place with ICHEIC but what of the next younger
generation of family researchers who may or may not
find documents in new  opened areas of Eastern Europe 
and or in older generation documents awaiting to be
found in private cabinets and files through out the
world as the older generation of mothers fathers
uncles aunts and various relatives  pass on
 
Is there or will there be a place or organisation
 to address this situation or assist with any new
claims if and when they come to hand with new found
documents and correspondences many of which the
current new generation and many of the new  younger
generation cannot read as such but will have better
computer translation facilities in the future with new
programs and systems.?

George Lavecky
Sydney Australia
georgelav@yahoo.com


Re: ICHEIC humanitarian awards #austria-czech

Israel P
 

Ron, one of the Pikholz families was offered a "voluntary payment" (it
was not called a "humanitarian award" but it sounds like the same idea)
for a policy that had a face value of 2000 zloties in 1939. Generali
said that since no payments were made after that time, they are not
obligated to pay anything. I don't know if these cousins accepted this
offer, which was less than $3500..

Israel Pickholtz

However, as I understand it, the amount of claims from
survivors was less than the ICHEIC budget, so they are
distributing the excess budget to people who placed
claims.

Does anybody have information on the above and how is
the ICHEIC is calculating those "humanitarian awards"?


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ICHEIC payments #austria-czech

George lavecky <georgelav@...>
 

Hello  to all contributors, 
 
I would like to add a further question  to the one
posted by Ron Hermann 18/11/05 in regards to his
father receiving a payment for his grandfather's
policies.
 
Is there a fixed amount per policy or is it a
blanket payment of $1000 US dollars
irrespective of how many policies are known and or
claimed for?
 
The second question is inregards to the said
$1000 US dollar payment which was recently received by
my wife for her grandfather ,  but the details of what
policies exsisted was not known, he was apparently the
only Jewish Judge in Lodg Poland , his name being
LANDE,  well what happens now ? does the search go on
or is the claim put into the too hard basket and never
to raise its head again? are we to be notified in the
future of any progress or results?
 
Does ICHEIC go on inthe same type of form  or will
it be disbanded in the near future?

 
I understand the closing  off date of claims to be
place with ICHEIC but what of the next younger
generation of family researchers who may or may not
find documents in new  opened areas of Eastern Europe 
and or in older generation documents awaiting to be
found in private cabinets and files through out the
world as the older generation of mothers fathers
uncles aunts and various relatives  pass on
 
Is there or will there be a place or organisation
 to address this situation or assist with any new
claims if and when they come to hand with new found
documents and correspondences many of which the
current new generation and many of the new  younger
generation cannot read as such but will have better
computer translation facilities in the future with new
programs and systems.?

George Lavecky
Sydney Australia
georgelav@yahoo.com


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: ICHEIC humanitarian awards #austria-czech

Israel P
 

Ron, one of the Pikholz families was offered a "voluntary payment" (it
was not called a "humanitarian award" but it sounds like the same idea)
for a policy that had a face value of 2000 zloties in 1939. Generali
said that since no payments were made after that time, they are not
obligated to pay anything. I don't know if these cousins accepted this
offer, which was less than $3500..

Israel Pickholtz

However, as I understand it, the amount of claims from
survivors was less than the ICHEIC budget, so they are
distributing the excess budget to people who placed
claims.

Does anybody have information on the above and how is
the ICHEIC is calculating those "humanitarian awards"?


Looking for family of Dr Rudolf URBANTSCHITSCH (von URBAN) #germany

Dick Plotz
 

Fritzi Rosalie PERSICANER (1879-?), a cousin of my wife's
great-grandmother, married in 1900 Dr Rudolf URBANTSCHITSCH
(1879-1964), a psychoanalyst who trained with Freud in Wien. They had
a son Hans (1901-1925) and a daughter Gretel (1902-?).

Dr URBANTSCHITSCH married at least twice more; I don't know whether
Fritzi died or they divorced. He emigrated to Los Angeles in 1936 and
settled in Carmel, California, in 1941. He died there in 1964. In
Carmel he went by the name Rudolph von URBAN; I don't know whether he
changed his name legally. His obituary lists his survivors as his
widow, Virginia Jacqueline von URBAN, two daughters, Greta STOELE of
Vienna and Elizabeth WALTZ of Munich, and four grandchildren. An
Internet source that I now can't find again refers to Elizabeth as
"Elizabeth URBANCIC", also a psychoanalyst; I don't know whether this
is the same person as the costume designer Elisabeth URBANCIC. In any
case, I'm pretty sure that Eliz/sabeth was a daughter by one of the
later marriages and therefore not directly of interest to me.

I have not been able to find any specific references to Greta (or
Gretel, Margarethe, etc) STOELE in Wien. The online white pages for
Austria does not list anyone by the name STOELE in Wien, whether
spelled out or with the umlaut. I also don't know which if any of
Rudolf von Urban's four grandchildren were Gretel's children and which
Elisabeth's.

I would like to contact the URBANTSCHITSCH / von URBAN family,
especially any descendants of Gretel. I am also interested in
contacting members of other branches of this PERSICANER family; other
surnames are MARKSTEIN, FUERST, and REICH. There is a Persicaner in
Toronto who does not know this part of the Persicaner family.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Dick Plotz Providence RI USA Dick@Plotz.com


German SIG #Germany Looking for family of Dr Rudolf URBANTSCHITSCH (von URBAN) #germany

Dick Plotz
 

Fritzi Rosalie PERSICANER (1879-?), a cousin of my wife's
great-grandmother, married in 1900 Dr Rudolf URBANTSCHITSCH
(1879-1964), a psychoanalyst who trained with Freud in Wien. They had
a son Hans (1901-1925) and a daughter Gretel (1902-?).

Dr URBANTSCHITSCH married at least twice more; I don't know whether
Fritzi died or they divorced. He emigrated to Los Angeles in 1936 and
settled in Carmel, California, in 1941. He died there in 1964. In
Carmel he went by the name Rudolph von URBAN; I don't know whether he
changed his name legally. His obituary lists his survivors as his
widow, Virginia Jacqueline von URBAN, two daughters, Greta STOELE of
Vienna and Elizabeth WALTZ of Munich, and four grandchildren. An
Internet source that I now can't find again refers to Elizabeth as
"Elizabeth URBANCIC", also a psychoanalyst; I don't know whether this
is the same person as the costume designer Elisabeth URBANCIC. In any
case, I'm pretty sure that Eliz/sabeth was a daughter by one of the
later marriages and therefore not directly of interest to me.

I have not been able to find any specific references to Greta (or
Gretel, Margarethe, etc) STOELE in Wien. The online white pages for
Austria does not list anyone by the name STOELE in Wien, whether
spelled out or with the umlaut. I also don't know which if any of
Rudolf von Urban's four grandchildren were Gretel's children and which
Elisabeth's.

I would like to contact the URBANTSCHITSCH / von URBAN family,
especially any descendants of Gretel. I am also interested in
contacting members of other branches of this PERSICANER family; other
surnames are MARKSTEIN, FUERST, and REICH. There is a Persicaner in
Toronto who does not know this part of the Persicaner family.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Dick Plotz Providence RI USA Dick@Plotz.com


2006 IAJGS Conference Registration is now open #germany

GerSig@...
 

The following is posted on behalf of the NY JGS.
Reply *** only *** to: Roni@jgsny2006.org (Roni Seibel Liebowitz)

"I am delighted to announce that registration is now open for the 26th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. The Jewish Genealogical
Society (New York) is hosting the conference August 13-18, 2006
(Av 19-24,5766) at The New York Marriott Marquis Hotel. Register on
our website at http://www.jgsny2006.org/ by clicking on the registration
link on the left. Instructions for a downloadable version for printing, a link
for hotel registration, and details about the conference are on the site.

The site will be updated frequently as new information becomes available.

In addition, for specific questions regarding the hotel or the conference,
please sign up for the
**** mailing list for the New York 2006 Conference **** by visiting:

http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/

Conference Co-Chairs Linda Cantor, Lucille Gudis, and Hadassah Lipsius are
spearheading a dynamite event. We look forward to sharing this exciting
experience with all of you.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz Registration Chair Roni@jgsny2006.org "


German SIG #Germany 2006 IAJGS Conference Registration is now open #germany

GerSig@...
 

The following is posted on behalf of the NY JGS.
Reply *** only *** to: Roni@jgsny2006.org (Roni Seibel Liebowitz)

"I am delighted to announce that registration is now open for the 26th IAJGS
International Conference on Jewish Genealogy. The Jewish Genealogical
Society (New York) is hosting the conference August 13-18, 2006
(Av 19-24,5766) at The New York Marriott Marquis Hotel. Register on
our website at http://www.jgsny2006.org/ by clicking on the registration
link on the left. Instructions for a downloadable version for printing, a link
for hotel registration, and details about the conference are on the site.

The site will be updated frequently as new information becomes available.

In addition, for specific questions regarding the hotel or the conference,
please sign up for the
**** mailing list for the New York 2006 Conference **** by visiting:

http://lyris.jewishgen.org/listmanager/

Conference Co-Chairs Linda Cantor, Lucille Gudis, and Hadassah Lipsius are
spearheading a dynamite event. We look forward to sharing this exciting
experience with all of you.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz Registration Chair Roni@jgsny2006.org "


Looking for family of Dr Rudolf URBANTSCHITSCH (von URBAN) #general

Dick Plotz
 

Fritzi Rosalie PERSICANER (1879-?), a cousin of my wife's
great-grandmother, married in 1900 Dr Rudolf URBANTSCHITSCH
(1879-1964), a psychoanalyst who trained with Freud in Wien. They had
a son Hans (1901-1925) and a daughter Gretel (1902-?).

Dr URBANTSCHITSCH married at least twice more; I don't know whether
Fritzi died or they divorced. He emigrated to Los Angeles in 1936 and
settled in Carmel, California, in 1941. He died there in 1964. In
Carmel he went by the name Rudolph von URBAN; I don't know whether he
changed his name legally. His obituary lists his survivors as his
widow, Virginia Jacqueline von URBAN, two daughters, Greta STOELE of
Vienna and Elizabeth WALTZ of Munich, and four grandchildren. An
Internet source that I now can't find again refers to Elizabeth as
"Elizabeth URBANCIC", also a psychoanalyst; I don't know whether this
is the same person as the costume designer Elisabeth URBANCIC. In any
case, I'm pretty sure that Eliz/sabeth was a daughter by one of the
later marriages and therefore not directly of interest to me.

I have not been able to find any specific references to Greta (or
Gretel, Margarethe, etc) STOELE in Wien. The online white pages for
Austria does not list anyone by the name STOELE in Wien, whether
spelled out or with the umlaut. I also don't know which if any of
Rudolf von Urban's four grandchildren were Gretel's children and which
Elisabeth's.

I would like to contact the URBANTSCHITSCH/von URBAN family,
especially any descendants of Gretel. I am also interested in
contacting members of other branches of this PERSICANER family; other
surnames are MARKSTEIN, FUERST, and REICH. There is a Persicaner in
Toronto who does not know this part of the Persicaner family.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA
Dick@Plotz.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for family of Dr Rudolf URBANTSCHITSCH (von URBAN) #general

Dick Plotz
 

Fritzi Rosalie PERSICANER (1879-?), a cousin of my wife's
great-grandmother, married in 1900 Dr Rudolf URBANTSCHITSCH
(1879-1964), a psychoanalyst who trained with Freud in Wien. They had
a son Hans (1901-1925) and a daughter Gretel (1902-?).

Dr URBANTSCHITSCH married at least twice more; I don't know whether
Fritzi died or they divorced. He emigrated to Los Angeles in 1936 and
settled in Carmel, California, in 1941. He died there in 1964. In
Carmel he went by the name Rudolph von URBAN; I don't know whether he
changed his name legally. His obituary lists his survivors as his
widow, Virginia Jacqueline von URBAN, two daughters, Greta STOELE of
Vienna and Elizabeth WALTZ of Munich, and four grandchildren. An
Internet source that I now can't find again refers to Elizabeth as
"Elizabeth URBANCIC", also a psychoanalyst; I don't know whether this
is the same person as the costume designer Elisabeth URBANCIC. In any
case, I'm pretty sure that Eliz/sabeth was a daughter by one of the
later marriages and therefore not directly of interest to me.

I have not been able to find any specific references to Greta (or
Gretel, Margarethe, etc) STOELE in Wien. The online white pages for
Austria does not list anyone by the name STOELE in Wien, whether
spelled out or with the umlaut. I also don't know which if any of
Rudolf von Urban's four grandchildren were Gretel's children and which
Elisabeth's.

I would like to contact the URBANTSCHITSCH/von URBAN family,
especially any descendants of Gretel. I am also interested in
contacting members of other branches of this PERSICANER family; other
surnames are MARKSTEIN, FUERST, and REICH. There is a Persicaner in
Toronto who does not know this part of the Persicaner family.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Dick Plotz
Providence RI USA
Dick@Plotz.com