Sheree Roth wrote:

I have uploaded a photo caption to Viewmate. It is written in
Hungarian. I would very much appreciate if
someone would be kind enough to do the translation for me.

The direct link to the document is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7061
Would you please reply to me directly at ssroth@pacbell.net

With many thanks,
Sheree Roth
Palo Alto, CAThe translation: I only send you the ID- photo, that you should be able

to see how I look like..
It was done in Prague, in July 1947.

V.Varga
Princeton NJ.

Hi,

I understand this is off the path, but our ancestors and their families
moved around, so...

Ludwig Podwinetz >from Nagy Becskerek went to Vienna where he died. He left
money to his sister who lived in Berlin with her husband whose family name
was Kafka.

The legacy (100 Kroner!) was in 1917. Any ideas of where to look for
information for Berlin?

Thanks

Peter Bakos
Budapest

Hello fellow Siggers,

This is an odd question, but you will understand the context.

I recently visited Yasa Tomic (Formerly Modos) in the Voivodina. It is in
that area the fascists wnated to make "Juden Frei" and as a result there is
no evidence whatever of a Jewish community there. As some of my Podwinetz
cousins were born there per their marriage information elsewhere, I know
that there was a community at one time.

While on a recent visit a local man took me to a patch of ground which he
described as "Jungle" the sole word in his English vocabulary. We walked
into it but I could not find any monuments but it really was a jungle. So
before I go off with tools in hand and level the undergrowth I want to be
certain of my legal standing. How would I determine any ownership
questions? Any idea where I can find an old topo map which may indicate the
presence of a cemetery? If it does exist what is the protocol in clearing
it? Is it even desireable to clear it?

Thanks

Peter Bakos
Budapest
searching Podwinetz and Johnson!!!

Sheree Roth wrote:

I have uploaded a photo caption to Viewmate. It is written in
Hungarian. I would very much appreciate if
someone would be kind enough to do the translation for me.

The direct link to the document is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7061
Would you please reply to me directly at ssroth@pacbell.net

With many thanks,
Sheree Roth
Palo Alto, CAThe translation: I only send you the ID- photo, that you should be able

to see how I look like..
It was done in Prague, in July 1947.

V.Varga
Princeton NJ.

Hi,

I understand this is off the path, but our ancestors and their families
moved around, so...

Ludwig Podwinetz >from Nagy Becskerek went to Vienna where he died. He left
money to his sister who lived in Berlin with her husband whose family name
was Kafka.

The legacy (100 Kroner!) was in 1917. Any ideas of where to look for
information for Berlin?

Thanks

Peter Bakos
Budapest

Hello fellow Siggers,

This is an odd question, but you will understand the context.

I recently visited Yasa Tomic (Formerly Modos) in the Voivodina. It is in
that area the fascists wnated to make "Juden Frei" and as a result there is
no evidence whatever of a Jewish community there. As some of my Podwinetz
cousins were born there per their marriage information elsewhere, I know
that there was a community at one time.

While on a recent visit a local man took me to a patch of ground which he
described as "Jungle" the sole word in his English vocabulary. We walked
into it but I could not find any monuments but it really was a jungle. So
before I go off with tools in hand and level the undergrowth I want to be
certain of my legal standing. How would I determine any ownership
questions? Any idea where I can find an old topo map which may indicate the
presence of a cemetery? If it does exist what is the protocol in clearing
it? Is it even desireable to clear it?

Thanks

Peter Bakos
Budapest
searching Podwinetz and Johnson!!!

I was able to obtain a list that had the names of my grandparents, aunt and
uncle who were deported >from Westerbork. They were German citizens and were
able to get to Holland as it was an occupied country, and then tried to get
to the US. I was able to get the list about five years ago -- I wrote to
the camp offices via email and they were able to find the deporation list
with my family members on it and they sent me via airmail. The people I
dealt with were quite helpful. It may now be possible to obtain the lists on
line, rather than having it send via airmail. I didn't keep the email
information, but I'm sure you can find it if you do a websearch for Westerbork.

Janet Kirchheimer New York, NY <janetk521@hotmail.com>

I was able to obtain a list that had the names of my grandparents, aunt and
uncle who were deported >from Westerbork. They were German citizens and were
able to get to Holland as it was an occupied country, and then tried to get
to the US. I was able to get the list about five years ago -- I wrote to
the camp offices via email and they were able to find the deporation list
with my family members on it and they sent me via airmail. The people I
dealt with were quite helpful. It may now be possible to obtain the lists on
line, rather than having it send via airmail. I didn't keep the email
information, but I'm sure you can find it if you do a websearch for Westerbork.

Janet Kirchheimer New York, NY <janetk521@hotmail.com>

Dear Members,

I'am looking for the burrial list and/or cemetery plan >from the Jewish
cemetery in Bullay (Mosel).
I have a list of stones as they are standing now, but I'am looking for the
original burrials (names and/or places) Regards,

Bert de Jong The Netherlands <bdejong67@hetnet.nl>

MOD NOTE: We ask that everyone be very clear about the place names included in
messages to GerSIG. Mr. de Jong would have a better result if he was more clear
about the meaning of "Mosel" in the list below.

Rechearching: BERMANN, ADLER and FEIST. Mosel area.

Dear Members,

I'am looking for the burrial list and/or cemetery plan >from the Jewish
cemetery in Bullay (Mosel).
I have a list of stones as they are standing now, but I'am looking for the
original burrials (names and/or places) Regards,

Bert de Jong The Netherlands <bdejong67@hetnet.nl>

MOD NOTE: We ask that everyone be very clear about the place names included in
messages to GerSIG. Mr. de Jong would have a better result if he was more clear
about the meaning of "Mosel" in the list below.

Rechearching: BERMANN, ADLER and FEIST. Mosel area.

Tried posting this before, but it did not go through for some reason:

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I am looking for any information regarding my paternal grandfather's family.
His name was Samson KLEINMAN. d. about 1923 in Berlin.
Married to Cilli / Czarne nee UNGER.
Had a brother (name probably Morris KLEINMAN), who lived in the US before he died.
Had a son: Martin KLEINMAN, my grandfather.

Also looking for my grandmother's second husband: Tobjasz BIALECKI
who also lived in Berlin, and came >from Zelow in Poland. Died in
Auschwitz with my grandmother in 1943.

Reuven Kleinman reuvenkl@gmail.com City ???? State (USA) or nation ????

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I am looking for any information regarding my paternal grandfather's family.
His name was Samson KLEINMAN. d. about 1923 in Berlin.
Married to Cilli / Czarne nee UNGER.
Had a brother (name probably Morris KLEINMAN), who lived in the US before he died.
Had a son: Martin KLEINMAN, my grandfather.

Also looking for my grandmother's second husband: Tobjasz BIALECKI
who also lived in Berlin, and came >from Zelow in Poland. Died in
Auschwitz with my grandmother in 1943.

Reuven Kleinman reuvenkl@gmail.com City ???? State (USA) or nation ????

Possibly before the advent of the Internet there were firms advertising a
book containing all the persons of a particular surname in the UK, US, Germany
and some other countries. I bought the Book of Landaus as a birthday present for
my father.

The fact that most of my relatives in the UK were listed was some kind of
test of the accuracy of the book.

Of particular interest was the fact that there were >from memory about 1,000
people of the name LANDAU in probably West Germany. This was 50 per cent of
the total number if I remember.

It was therefore quite clear >from this that LANDAU was not a solely Jewish
name - at that time there were only 30,000 Jews in Germany so if these had
all been Jewish (and we would be talking about adults) that would make
Landau's to be about 1 in 20 of the German Jewish population which clearly
be ridiculous.

So it doesn't mean that LANDAU is a more popular name amongst non-Jewish
Germans than amongst Jews it does suggest that, say, 1 in 10,000 Germans
have that surname. If one compares that with a quite common name in a
telephone directory I would suggest that this is a reasonably high
percentage.

Nick Landau London, UK <N.Landau@btinternet.com>

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)

Scott L.<eurotrash123@yahoo.com> wrote:
Perhaps someone here can help answer my question. Is there any sense of
how Common the surname JACOB would have been among German Christians compared

Possibly before the advent of the Internet there were firms advertising a
book containing all the persons of a particular surname in the UK, US, Germany
and some other countries. I bought the Book of Landaus as a birthday present for
my father.

The fact that most of my relatives in the UK were listed was some kind of
test of the accuracy of the book.

Of particular interest was the fact that there were >from memory about 1,000
people of the name LANDAU in probably West Germany. This was 50 per cent of
the total number if I remember.

It was therefore quite clear >from this that LANDAU was not a solely Jewish
name - at that time there were only 30,000 Jews in Germany so if these had
all been Jewish (and we would be talking about adults) that would make
Landau's to be about 1 in 20 of the German Jewish population which clearly
be ridiculous.

So it doesn't mean that LANDAU is a more popular name amongst non-Jewish
Germans than amongst Jews it does suggest that, say, 1 in 10,000 Germans
have that surname. If one compares that with a quite common name in a
telephone directory I would suggest that this is a reasonably high
percentage.

Nick Landau London, UK <N.Landau@btinternet.com>

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)

Scott L.<eurotrash123@yahoo.com> wrote:
Perhaps someone here can help answer my question. Is there any sense of
how Common the surname JACOB would have been among German Christians compared

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:23:52 UTC, a.sharon@shaw.ca (Alexander Sharon)
opined:
Robert Israel wrote in his reply to Judy Segal question:
Would anyone know if, back in Czarist Russia, "Alexander" would have been
a reasonable interpretation of the Yiddish first name "Yitzhak?"
Theoretically, there is absolutely no relationship between the two names.
This, of course, would not prevent anyone with the name
Yitzhak >from calling himself Alexander.

Yitzhak is a biblical Hebrew name, and Alexander is a Greek name
which has found its way into many languages including Hebrew and
Russian (first made popular, of course, because of Alexander the
Great). Its popularity in 19th century Russia was presumably
increased because of the tsars of that name, especially (for the
Jews) the reformer Alexander II.

Actually, name Alexander and all other Christian names were forbidden for
Jews. Those restrictions were also applicable for the biblical names adopted by
the Russian Orthodox Church saints, like David, Moses (Moisey), Daniel,
Isaak.


Alex... There seems to be an inconsistency in your explanation; more
likely, you have omitted a step. If "Christian" names were forbidden
until the 1905 Revolution, and if a pre-Christian name like
"Alexander" counts as a Christian name, how do we account for the
observed occurence (including in my own family) of people named
Alexander thirty years before that revolution? One guesses that you
yourself can trace your name back to a forebear in that era.

I've already discussed this issue on this forum back in 1999 when I wrote:

"I believe that name should read: Avrum (>from Abram, Abraham). Name Aurum
would not be permitted by Russian anti-Semitic scribes. Too shiny.

=;-)

snip>>>>

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:23:52 UTC, a.sharon@shaw.ca (Alexander Sharon)
opined:
Robert Israel wrote in his reply to Judy Segal question:
Would anyone know if, back in Czarist Russia, "Alexander" would have been
a reasonable interpretation of the Yiddish first name "Yitzhak?"
Theoretically, there is absolutely no relationship between the two names.
This, of course, would not prevent anyone with the name
Yitzhak >from calling himself Alexander.

Yitzhak is a biblical Hebrew name, and Alexander is a Greek name
which has found its way into many languages including Hebrew and
Russian (first made popular, of course, because of Alexander the
Great). Its popularity in 19th century Russia was presumably
increased because of the tsars of that name, especially (for the
Jews) the reformer Alexander II.

Actually, name Alexander and all other Christian names were forbidden for
Jews. Those restrictions were also applicable for the biblical names adopted by
the Russian Orthodox Church saints, like David, Moses (Moisey), Daniel,
Isaak.


Alex... There seems to be an inconsistency in your explanation; more
likely, you have omitted a step. If "Christian" names were forbidden
until the 1905 Revolution, and if a pre-Christian name like
"Alexander" counts as a Christian name, how do we account for the
observed occurence (including in my own family) of people named
Alexander thirty years before that revolution? One guesses that you
yourself can trace your name back to a forebear in that era.

I've already discussed this issue on this forum back in 1999 when I wrote:

"I believe that name should read: Avrum (>from Abram, Abraham). Name Aurum
would not be permitted by Russian anti-Semitic scribes. Too shiny.

=;-)

snip>>>>

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
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there.

Hi All,

does anyone have the book "The Lurie Legacy: The House of Davidic Royal
Descent". Please e-mail me in private.

Thank You

Henry Schwartz

Hi All,

does anyone have the book "The Lurie Legacy: The House of Davidic Royal
Descent". Please e-mail me in private.

Thank You

Henry Schwartz

I am searching for a family which came >from Homel. The original name was
LUBIN. One sister was Sarah. She married a Solomon BILCHOVSKY. They had at
least one daughter, names Tanya. I believe they moved to Moscow. Sarah's
sister was Jennie LUBIN who was my Mother-in-law. When she came to America,
she married David SARGRAD.
Anyone having information about this family..please contact me. Thank you.
ESTHER SARGRAD
CLEARWATER, FLORIDA
Perky@microd.com
MODERATOR NOTE: Please capitalize only surnames.

I am searching for a family which came >from Homel. The original name was
LUBIN. One sister was Sarah. She married a Solomon BILCHOVSKY. They had at
least one daughter, names Tanya. I believe they moved to Moscow. Sarah's
sister was Jennie LUBIN who was my Mother-in-law. When she came to America,
she married David SARGRAD.
Anyone having information about this family..please contact me. Thank you.
ESTHER SARGRAD
CLEARWATER, FLORIDA
Perky@microd.com
MODERATOR NOTE: Please capitalize only surnames.