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IGS Negev Programs #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society of the Negev would be pleased to have
you join us for our monthly meetings if you happen to be in Israel at
the right time!!

Meeting Announcement - November 2005

Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch
" HaHevra HaGenealogit HaIsraelit "
* * * * * *
The next meeting of the IGS-Negev branch will take place:
Date: Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005

Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)

Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer

Our speaker will be: David Waldman. He is an expert in photo
and document restoration.

"Everything you want to know but didn't know how to ask about old
photo and document restoration and preservation."

Anytime you want to see what lectures are being given around the
country, you can always log onto the IGS website:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/schedule.html

Also a reminder of the Yom Iyun, the one day seminar, at Beit Hatefutsot
which will take place on Monday, 28 November 2005.

For a schedule, registration form, abstracts of the talks and bios of
the speakers, please go to:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

All the information is downloadable in both Hebrew and English.

Future programs:

Extra special and exceptionally on a Thursday: 1 December 2005 -
Karen S. Franklin. The lecture will be in English.
"Solving the Mystery of the Cane Handle: Utilizing the Collection of
the Jacob Rader Marcus Center of the American Jewish Archives for
Family History Research"

Karen S. Franklin creates a web of intrigue as she describes how she
utilized documents >from the Archives and other resources to
reconstruct the Brylawski family history and trace the meaning of a
cane handle she purchased at auction for William Wolf of Washington,
DC. The cane handle was given in honor of Wolf's ancestor, Julius A.
Brylawski in 1886 for service to his synagogue, Anshe Emeth of
Philadelphia (the congregation was dissolved in 1893). Also featured
in this powerpoint lecture will be other documents found in
connection with the research, including correspondence with Senator
Barry Goldwater describing gambling debts >from their 19th century
mutual ancestors.


4 January 2006 - Elinore Rasco: ">from dust, ashes and no hope to
miraculously concrete family information". Join Elinore as she takes
us through her excruciating 20 year journey >from sifting through the
murk of the Shoah to finally finding information on her grandfather's
family. Her experience could point the way for you to trace your
family in the Shoah and avoid the many pitfalls she stumbled and fell
into.

1 February 2006 - Mordechai Ben Abir: "The Diary of Bachur Elia
Cabaillero, 186-- to 192--, >from Izmir" This amazing find that no
one could read because it was written in Hebrew letters but in words
from Spanish, Turkish, Ladino and Hebrew, records daily Jewish life
in Izmir and the perils of Jewish holidays for the community. If ever
you wondered how our ancestors lived, this diary and Ben Abir's
explanations are critical to that knowledge.

Martha Lev-Zion
President, IGS-Negev
November meeting of Jewish Genealogical Society of Ottawa, Canada #general

Marla Waltman Daschko <waltman@...>
 

The November Meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society Of Ottawa
will take place on Tuesday November 22, 2005 at 7:30 P.M. at the Family
History Centre, 1017 Prince of Wales Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

The meeting will consist of a tour of the Family History Centre and the
genealogical holdings at the Centre, followed by a short lecture on some of
the major genealogical projects that are being carried out by the LDS
Church.

The Family History Centre is located at the back of the LDS Church itself,
which is on the east side of Prince of Wales Drive. You enter the parking
lot >from Prince of Wales Drive on the north side of the Church.

Please let JGSO President, Hymie Reichstein, know (e-mail
reichstein@magma.ca or by phone 613-829-5620) if you intend to attend as
the space at the Centre is limited.

JGSO has tried to arrange a tour of Archives and Library Canada. We have
been told that tours can only take place during working hours i.e 8:30 a.m.
to 5:00 p.m. If there is enough interest in an afternoon tour of the
Archives we will arrange one in the near future. Please email or phone to
let me know if you are interested.

If you have any questions about either meeting, please call Hymie Reichstein
at (613) 829-5620 or by e-mail at reichstein@magma.ca.

Marla Waltman Daschko
Jewish Genealogy Society of Ottawa
Ottawa, Canada
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen IGS Negev Programs #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

The Israel Genealogical Society of the Negev would be pleased to have
you join us for our monthly meetings if you happen to be in Israel at
the right time!!

Meeting Announcement - November 2005

Israel Genealogical Society - Negev Branch
" HaHevra HaGenealogit HaIsraelit "
* * * * * *
The next meeting of the IGS-Negev branch will take place:
Date: Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005

Time: 20:00 (Library open >from 7:30)

Place: Kehilat Magen Avraham
Corner of Rehov Ad-Ad and Rehov Margalit
Omer

Our speaker will be: David Waldman. He is an expert in photo
and document restoration.

"Everything you want to know but didn't know how to ask about old
photo and document restoration and preservation."

Anytime you want to see what lectures are being given around the
country, you can always log onto the IGS website:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/schedule.html

Also a reminder of the Yom Iyun, the one day seminar, at Beit Hatefutsot
which will take place on Monday, 28 November 2005.

For a schedule, registration form, abstracts of the talks and bios of
the speakers, please go to:

http://www.isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

All the information is downloadable in both Hebrew and English.

Future programs:

Extra special and exceptionally on a Thursday: 1 December 2005 -
Karen S. Franklin. The lecture will be in English.
"Solving the Mystery of the Cane Handle: Utilizing the Collection of
the Jacob Rader Marcus Center of the American Jewish Archives for
Family History Research"

Karen S. Franklin creates a web of intrigue as she describes how she
utilized documents >from the Archives and other resources to
reconstruct the Brylawski family history and trace the meaning of a
cane handle she purchased at auction for William Wolf of Washington,
DC. The cane handle was given in honor of Wolf's ancestor, Julius A.
Brylawski in 1886 for service to his synagogue, Anshe Emeth of
Philadelphia (the congregation was dissolved in 1893). Also featured
in this powerpoint lecture will be other documents found in
connection with the research, including correspondence with Senator
Barry Goldwater describing gambling debts >from their 19th century
mutual ancestors.


4 January 2006 - Elinore Rasco: ">from dust, ashes and no hope to
miraculously concrete family information". Join Elinore as she takes
us through her excruciating 20 year journey >from sifting through the
murk of the Shoah to finally finding information on her grandfather's
family. Her experience could point the way for you to trace your
family in the Shoah and avoid the many pitfalls she stumbled and fell
into.

1 February 2006 - Mordechai Ben Abir: "The Diary of Bachur Elia
Cabaillero, 186-- to 192--, >from Izmir" This amazing find that no
one could read because it was written in Hebrew letters but in words
from Spanish, Turkish, Ladino and Hebrew, records daily Jewish life
in Izmir and the perils of Jewish holidays for the community. If ever
you wondered how our ancestors lived, this diary and Ben Abir's
explanations are critical to that knowledge.

Martha Lev-Zion
President, IGS-Negev
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen November meeting of Jewish Genealogical Society of Ottawa, Canada #general

Marla Waltman Daschko <waltman@...>
 

The November Meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society Of Ottawa
will take place on Tuesday November 22, 2005 at 7:30 P.M. at the Family
History Centre, 1017 Prince of Wales Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

The meeting will consist of a tour of the Family History Centre and the
genealogical holdings at the Centre, followed by a short lecture on some of
the major genealogical projects that are being carried out by the LDS
Church.

The Family History Centre is located at the back of the LDS Church itself,
which is on the east side of Prince of Wales Drive. You enter the parking
lot >from Prince of Wales Drive on the north side of the Church.

Please let JGSO President, Hymie Reichstein, know (e-mail
reichstein@magma.ca or by phone 613-829-5620) if you intend to attend as
the space at the Centre is limited.

JGSO has tried to arrange a tour of Archives and Library Canada. We have
been told that tours can only take place during working hours i.e 8:30 a.m.
to 5:00 p.m. If there is enough interest in an afternoon tour of the
Archives we will arrange one in the near future. Please email or phone to
let me know if you are interested.

If you have any questions about either meeting, please call Hymie Reichstein
at (613) 829-5620 or by e-mail at reichstein@magma.ca.

Marla Waltman Daschko
Jewish Genealogy Society of Ottawa
Ottawa, Canada
New resource to help your search #hungary

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

I just want to say thanks to Tom Venetianer for all of his efforts =
putting
together this easy to use site for all our benefits.
(http://venetia.95mb.com/hungary/)

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ZEISLER/CZEISLER; LOWY; UNGAR. GROEDEL; WEINER; ERNST/ECSEDI =
(Eger,
DiosGyor, Kazincz, Ga'cs, Marmarross, Budapest, Szolnok; Szentes; Kapolna;
Tarnamera, Ujfalu; Vacs
Hungary SIG #Hungary New resource to help your search #hungary

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

I just want to say thanks to Tom Venetianer for all of his efforts =
putting
together this easy to use site for all our benefits.
(http://venetia.95mb.com/hungary/)

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ZEISLER/CZEISLER; LOWY; UNGAR. GROEDEL; WEINER; ERNST/ECSEDI =
(Eger,
DiosGyor, Kazincz, Ga'cs, Marmarross, Budapest, Szolnok; Szentes; Kapolna;
Tarnamera, Ujfalu; Vacs
Re: SCHWARTZ Family - Unghvar #hungary

maurice swarts <mswarts@...>
 

To Judy Dennen
thank you for your response - yes it does seem that we don't have the same
Jacob - however David Laufer advises that a Jakob SCHWARTZ was on the 1848
Hungarian Census at the age of 29yrs with 2 daughters it might have been
possible except for the given name being the same?? any comments??

regards Maurie Swarts Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Dennen" <errnjd@comcast.net>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] SCHWARTZ Family - Unghvar


My Jacob Schwartz was also born in Ungvar, but in 1899. They settled in
Pittsburgh, PA and he remained a bachelor until the day he died. Sorry
this thread did not pan out.

Judy Dennen: Searching for:
Shapiro/Shpunt >from Minsk,Chicago
Schwartz >from Ungvar,Pittsburgh
Denin/Dennen >from Kelme,Chicago
Shapiro/Friedman >from Krasnopol,Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "maurice swarts" <mswarts@pacific.net.au>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: [h-sig] SCHWARTZ Family - Unghvar


my greatgrandfather Jacob SCHWARTZ was born in Unghvar now Uzgorod /
Uzhhorod on 10 October 1832.

Jacob emigrated to England in the 1850's - he fathered ten children and
became a naturalised British citizen in 1876 - he was a jeweller by
trade

I am searching for any help in locating information on his family,
parents and siblings in what was the AustroHungarian empire in the
800's - Unghvar is now Uzhhorod in the Ukraine.

Maurice Swarts

Moderator: It is easier for H-SIG subscribers to provide assistance if
you tell us where you live and which resources you have already
consulted. If you live in Brazil, for example, we won't suggest that you
check resources at the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. Have you
already searched the JewishGen Family Finder, the All Hungary Database,
and other resources provided by JewishGen?
Re: search for death record of Julia Braun #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Did you check Zalalova?

Robert

--- d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am looking for suggestions on where to look next
for
the death record of my gggm Julia Braun who lived in
Nemet-uj-var, Hungary -- now Gussing, Austria.

Her name appears on two of the marriage records of
her
sons. On the first of these in 1892 she is recorded
as living in Nemet-uj-var. On the second of these
in
1895 she is recorded as deceased (nehai), and
located
in Nemet-uj-var (her husband has apparently moved to
Zalalovo).

Well, I have searched the Jewish death records for
Nemet-uj-var. I also tried looking in the civil
registration for this town. But I haven't found a
record for her. I am stumped and do not know where
to
look next. Any suggestions??

Denise Pfalzer
Tampa, Florida, USA
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: SCHWARTZ Family - Unghvar #hungary

maurice swarts <mswarts@...>
 

To Judy Dennen
thank you for your response - yes it does seem that we don't have the same
Jacob - however David Laufer advises that a Jakob SCHWARTZ was on the 1848
Hungarian Census at the age of 29yrs with 2 daughters it might have been
possible except for the given name being the same?? any comments??

regards Maurie Swarts Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Dennen" <errnjd@comcast.net>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [h-sig] SCHWARTZ Family - Unghvar


My Jacob Schwartz was also born in Ungvar, but in 1899. They settled in
Pittsburgh, PA and he remained a bachelor until the day he died. Sorry
this thread did not pan out.

Judy Dennen: Searching for:
Shapiro/Shpunt >from Minsk,Chicago
Schwartz >from Ungvar,Pittsburgh
Denin/Dennen >from Kelme,Chicago
Shapiro/Friedman >from Krasnopol,Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "maurice swarts" <mswarts@pacific.net.au>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: [h-sig] SCHWARTZ Family - Unghvar


my greatgrandfather Jacob SCHWARTZ was born in Unghvar now Uzgorod /
Uzhhorod on 10 October 1832.

Jacob emigrated to England in the 1850's - he fathered ten children and
became a naturalised British citizen in 1876 - he was a jeweller by
trade

I am searching for any help in locating information on his family,
parents and siblings in what was the AustroHungarian empire in the
800's - Unghvar is now Uzhhorod in the Ukraine.

Maurice Swarts

Moderator: It is easier for H-SIG subscribers to provide assistance if
you tell us where you live and which resources you have already
consulted. If you live in Brazil, for example, we won't suggest that you
check resources at the US Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. Have you
already searched the JewishGen Family Finder, the All Hungary Database,
and other resources provided by JewishGen?
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: search for death record of Julia Braun #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Did you check Zalalova?

Robert

--- d pfalzer <d_pfalzer@yahoo.com> wrote:

I am looking for suggestions on where to look next
for
the death record of my gggm Julia Braun who lived in
Nemet-uj-var, Hungary -- now Gussing, Austria.

Her name appears on two of the marriage records of
her
sons. On the first of these in 1892 she is recorded
as living in Nemet-uj-var. On the second of these
in
1895 she is recorded as deceased (nehai), and
located
in Nemet-uj-var (her husband has apparently moved to
Zalalovo).

Well, I have searched the Jewish death records for
Nemet-uj-var. I also tried looking in the civil
registration for this town. But I haven't found a
record for her. I am stumped and do not know where
to
look next. Any suggestions??

Denise Pfalzer
Tampa, Florida, USA
Small world, Great resource, Program on oral history #hungary

dgoldman@erols.com <dgoldman@...>
 

For a 1998 Shtetlshleppers trip, I contacted people >from my small
Carpathian towns, mostly in Romania--Turulung (Tur Terebes), north of Satu
Mare, for GRUN (great-grandfather), Halmeu (Halmi), a bit farther north,
for FARKAS (great-grandmother)

A very special source of information about our families' pre-WWII history
is the Survivors Registry at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. You can
search the database by town name. The staff will forward letters ch
respondendent offered me another piece of the puzzle about the towns,
cemeteries, and pre-war life. However, over 7 years I've lost touch.

Imagine the surprise of being on the same stage with one of the generous
Halmeu/Halmi informants! Completely a coincidence. What a wonderful
opportunity to meet in person. If you're interested in historic
Transylvania OR in oral history OR wonderful coincidences, check out the
program below:


TRACING YOUR JEWISH ROOTS: THE HOW-TOs OF ORAL HISTORY

WHAT: Targeted for young adults (18-35 years old), this workshop consists=

of two parts: In the first part, attendees will learn the basics of how t=
o
conduct oral histories, as a means of documenting their family histories,
through concepts that are being used in the new B'nai B'rith Oral History
Heritage Project=2E The second part of the presentation will familiarize =
the
participants with tools for conducting genealogical research=2E

WHO: Ms=2E IRENE WEISS was born in Transylvania, Romania, and came to the=

United States in 1964=2E She is a Holocaust survivor, whose story was
recorded by the Spielberg Shoah Foundation and told in her book LIFE AT TH=
E
END OF THE TUNNEL=2E Ms=2E Weiss will be with us to share her experience =
and
insights as an interviewee=2E

DIANA C.ALTMAN, director, B'nai B'rith Klutznick National Jewish Museum=
will present the B'nai B'rith Oral History Heritage Project=2E
IRENE SAUNDERS GOLDSTEIN, professional writer/editor and oral historian and
chair of the B'nai B'rith Center for Jewish Identity, will share tips on
interviewing family members DIANE GOLDMAN, past president of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater
Washington, will share tips about conducting genealogical research=2E

WHEN: Wednesday, November 9, 6:30-8:30 pm

WHERE: The B'nai B'rith Klutznick National Jewish Museum, 2020 K Street,
Northwest, Washington, D=2EC=2E

COST: Attendance at the event is $5=2E Advance registration recommended=2E=
=20
Light refreshments will be provided=2E

PUBLIC CONTACT: For more information or reservations, please call (202)
857-6583 or send an e-mail to alevi@bnaibrith=2Eorg

--Diane
Diane Goldman, Maryland
dgoldman@erols=2Ecom
Hungary SIG #Hungary Small world, Great resource, Program on oral history #hungary

dgoldman@erols.com <dgoldman@...>
 

For a 1998 Shtetlshleppers trip, I contacted people >from my small
Carpathian towns, mostly in Romania--Turulung (Tur Terebes), north of Satu
Mare, for GRUN (great-grandfather), Halmeu (Halmi), a bit farther north,
for FARKAS (great-grandmother)

A very special source of information about our families' pre-WWII history
is the Survivors Registry at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. You can
search the database by town name. The staff will forward letters ch
respondendent offered me another piece of the puzzle about the towns,
cemeteries, and pre-war life. However, over 7 years I've lost touch.

Imagine the surprise of being on the same stage with one of the generous
Halmeu/Halmi informants! Completely a coincidence. What a wonderful
opportunity to meet in person. If you're interested in historic
Transylvania OR in oral history OR wonderful coincidences, check out the
program below:


TRACING YOUR JEWISH ROOTS: THE HOW-TOs OF ORAL HISTORY

WHAT: Targeted for young adults (18-35 years old), this workshop consists=

of two parts: In the first part, attendees will learn the basics of how t=
o
conduct oral histories, as a means of documenting their family histories,
through concepts that are being used in the new B'nai B'rith Oral History
Heritage Project=2E The second part of the presentation will familiarize =
the
participants with tools for conducting genealogical research=2E

WHO: Ms=2E IRENE WEISS was born in Transylvania, Romania, and came to the=

United States in 1964=2E She is a Holocaust survivor, whose story was
recorded by the Spielberg Shoah Foundation and told in her book LIFE AT TH=
E
END OF THE TUNNEL=2E Ms=2E Weiss will be with us to share her experience =
and
insights as an interviewee=2E

DIANA C.ALTMAN, director, B'nai B'rith Klutznick National Jewish Museum=
will present the B'nai B'rith Oral History Heritage Project=2E
IRENE SAUNDERS GOLDSTEIN, professional writer/editor and oral historian and
chair of the B'nai B'rith Center for Jewish Identity, will share tips on
interviewing family members DIANE GOLDMAN, past president of the Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater
Washington, will share tips about conducting genealogical research=2E

WHEN: Wednesday, November 9, 6:30-8:30 pm

WHERE: The B'nai B'rith Klutznick National Jewish Museum, 2020 K Street,
Northwest, Washington, D=2EC=2E

COST: Attendance at the event is $5=2E Advance registration recommended=2E=
=20
Light refreshments will be provided=2E

PUBLIC CONTACT: For more information or reservations, please call (202)
857-6583 or send an e-mail to alevi@bnaibrith=2Eorg

--Diane
Diane Goldman, Maryland
dgoldman@erols=2Ecom
Photo Identification - KESTLER #hungary

Dora Donis
 

Dear Listers,

I have posted a photograph, VM7055, in the hope that
someone might recognize this lady, quite possibly, my
gggrandmother, ESSIE KESTLER. The photograph was
taken in either BUDAPEST or VIENNA around the mid
1800s.

Please view the photograph and contact me if you know
her identity.

Eternally grateful.
Dora M. Donis-Kestler
ddonis@sbcglobal.net
USA
Hungary SIG #Hungary Photo Identification - KESTLER #hungary

Dora Donis
 

Dear Listers,

I have posted a photograph, VM7055, in the hope that
someone might recognize this lady, quite possibly, my
gggrandmother, ESSIE KESTLER. The photograph was
taken in either BUDAPEST or VIENNA around the mid
1800s.

Please view the photograph and contact me if you know
her identity.

Eternally grateful.
Dora M. Donis-Kestler
ddonis@sbcglobal.net
USA
Re: TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE #hungary

Peter Stern <drpstern@...>
 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : g_hirsch@gmx.ch [mailto:g_hirsch@gmx.ch]
Envoyé : samedi 5 novembre 2005 18:25
À : H-SIG
Objet : RE: [h-sig] TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE

May be it is word splitting but the word Kreisler resp. its translation
"cereal trader" seemed unprobable. Neither I (living 48 years in the German
part of Switzerland) nor my wife (born and raised in the german Swiss part)
did ever hear and I didn't find it in German-Hungarian, German-Englisch
vocabulary and it is not listed in Duden, in Knauer Lexikon or in
Wikipedia.de, there are 42 entries of Artists, componists and other
personalities but there is no trade or profession under this word. In
MS_Encarta 2004, the probable root of Kreisler namely Kreisel is explained
as Kreiselgyroscop, an instrument for navigation. Kreisel is also a toy,
(trendel play on Hannukah) and in traffic Kreisel (Kreisverkehr) is a
roundabout, traffic circle or rotary.

Cereal/corn/grain trader/dealer/broker is in German Getreidehaendler and in
Hungarian gabona(takarmany)kereskedö

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


I think David Laufer's reading of the word is correct but I couldn't find
any matching profession. The most resembling word I found was "Kreisler" :
http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/AMF/praxistipps/latein/berufe/#k

After David's message, I tried "Kreusler" again, couldn't find it anywhere
except as a quite common surname. Searching this surname's origin, lead to
http://www.ulib.iupui.edu/kade/nameword/apend-a.html but I'm far from
understanding what the connection between "curly" or "spinned top" and
"Kornfruchthaendler" might be.

Best regards

Peter Stern
Chartres, France
Re: TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i know very little german, but for what it's worth, a web search for "kreisler, origins" turned up a possible origin (on a "family crest" site) >from the medieval german word for "potter".

....... tom klein, toronto

Peter Reiniger <p_reinig@club-internet.fr> wrote:

The German word "Kreisler" (cereal trader?) does not exist. It could
be "Greisler" i.e. a small shopkeeper.
Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE #hungary

Peter Stern <drpstern@...>
 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : g_hirsch@gmx.ch [mailto:g_hirsch@gmx.ch]
Envoyé : samedi 5 novembre 2005 18:25
À : H-SIG
Objet : RE: [h-sig] TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE

May be it is word splitting but the word Kreisler resp. its translation
"cereal trader" seemed unprobable. Neither I (living 48 years in the German
part of Switzerland) nor my wife (born and raised in the german Swiss part)
did ever hear and I didn't find it in German-Hungarian, German-Englisch
vocabulary and it is not listed in Duden, in Knauer Lexikon or in
Wikipedia.de, there are 42 entries of Artists, componists and other
personalities but there is no trade or profession under this word. In
MS_Encarta 2004, the probable root of Kreisler namely Kreisel is explained
as Kreiselgyroscop, an instrument for navigation. Kreisel is also a toy,
(trendel play on Hannukah) and in traffic Kreisel (Kreisverkehr) is a
roundabout, traffic circle or rotary.

Cereal/corn/grain trader/dealer/broker is in German Getreidehaendler and in
Hungarian gabona(takarmany)kereskedö

Best regards
Gabor Hirsch


I think David Laufer's reading of the word is correct but I couldn't find
any matching profession. The most resembling word I found was "Kreisler" :
http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/AMF/praxistipps/latein/berufe/#k

After David's message, I tried "Kreusler" again, couldn't find it anywhere
except as a quite common surname. Searching this surname's origin, lead to
http://www.ulib.iupui.edu/kade/nameword/apend-a.html but I'm far from
understanding what the connection between "curly" or "spinned top" and
"Kornfruchthaendler" might be.

Best regards

Peter Stern
Chartres, France
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Re: TRANSLATION OF WORD PLEASE #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i know very little german, but for what it's worth, a web search for "kreisler, origins" turned up a possible origin (on a "family crest" site) >from the medieval german word for "potter".

....... tom klein, toronto

Peter Reiniger <p_reinig@club-internet.fr> wrote:

The German word "Kreisler" (cereal trader?) does not exist. It could
be "Greisler" i.e. a small shopkeeper.
Re: UTITZ or OTITZ family from Votice and Prague #austria-czech

Wolf-Erich Eckstein <w.eckstein@...>
 

Most information about this family you will find in books (in german: Nathan
ben Simon und seine Kinder, dtv, Muenchen 1996) by Gerda HOFFER nee
POLLATSCHEK, granddaughter of Rudolf LION and Emilie UTITZ - she lives in
Yerusalem - it's her family and her tree has also David GLASNER. Also the
famous Wolf PAULI, son of Jakob PASCHELES and Helene nee UTITZ.
Heinrich UTITZ and Anna LEVY's children:
Alfred, son Eric
Jakob, wife Doris ENGLAENDER
Julia, husband Arthur BERGER, children: Traute marr. Franz KLEIN, Ellen
marr. Mordechai GLASNER

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Glasner" <daviditi@kfar-ruppin.org.il>

I searc UTITZ or OTITZ >from Votice and Prague.
My mothers family UTITZ:
Abraham b. prague d. Prague 1796
His son Isack Lob b.1765 d. 1806
His son Abraham b. 1800 d.1873
his son Heinrich b. 1850 d. 1941 KZ
His Daughter - Julia - was my grandmother !!

All lived in Prague
Origin of family Nathan Ben Simon b. 1610 d. 1678 in Votice.
Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: UTITZ or OTITZ family from Votice and Prague #austria-czech

Wolf-Erich Eckstein <w.eckstein@...>
 

Most information about this family you will find in books (in german: Nathan
ben Simon und seine Kinder, dtv, Muenchen 1996) by Gerda HOFFER nee
POLLATSCHEK, granddaughter of Rudolf LION and Emilie UTITZ - she lives in
Yerusalem - it's her family and her tree has also David GLASNER. Also the
famous Wolf PAULI, son of Jakob PASCHELES and Helene nee UTITZ.
Heinrich UTITZ and Anna LEVY's children:
Alfred, son Eric
Jakob, wife Doris ENGLAENDER
Julia, husband Arthur BERGER, children: Traute marr. Franz KLEIN, Ellen
marr. Mordechai GLASNER

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Glasner" <daviditi@kfar-ruppin.org.il>

I searc UTITZ or OTITZ >from Votice and Prague.
My mothers family UTITZ:
Abraham b. prague d. Prague 1796
His son Isack Lob b.1765 d. 1806
His son Abraham b. 1800 d.1873
his son Heinrich b. 1850 d. 1941 KZ
His Daughter - Julia - was my grandmother !!

All lived in Prague
Origin of family Nathan Ben Simon b. 1610 d. 1678 in Votice.
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