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Re: Old photos of non-relations
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גירון
Hello ,
I would like to add another option to those already sugested: If the photos are >from a university or any gathering of an assosiacion ( synagoge, or other) It might be intersing for taht university or assosiation to exhibit them in their library /museum Nava Giron Israel
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EIDB- Deciphering a Place Name
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Abuwasta Abuwasta
I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899. The place of origin is given as ZATRN. Upon looking at the original manifest I realized that it is ZAB??. As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The first thing which comes to mind is ZABNO but I need an experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a better solution. Thanks. Jacob Rosen Jerusalem MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Old photos of non-relations
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גירון
Hello ,
I would like to add another option to those already sugested: If the photos are >from a university or any gathering of an assosiacion ( synagoge, or other) It might be intersing for taht university or assosiation to exhibit them in their library /museum Nava Giron Israel
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JRI Poland #Poland EIDB- Deciphering a Place Name
#poland
Abuwasta Abuwasta
I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899. The place of origin is given as ZATRN. Upon looking at the original manifest I realized that it is ZAB??. As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The first thing which comes to mind is ZABNO but I need an experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a better solution. Thanks. Jacob Rosen Jerusalem MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.
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Of What Use Old Photographs
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Steve Orlen
Dear Robert & Cousins,
I get this terribly empty feeling feeling in my stomach when I think of throwing old photographs away... So my solution would be this: if you're going to make a "book" of some sort, which we all plan to do, or do periodically, to share with our family, put these photos in simply to show representative appearances of people in that time, at that place. In some ineffable way, your more imaginative family members might even try to guess at who these people were, what adventures they had with your grandfather. Best, Steve Orlen Tucson, AZ BELKIN (Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai & ? Lithuania), MELNICK, LIBERMAN ha COHEN, WEISBERG (Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo, Montreal), ORLIN (Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves, Zasliai), MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN haLevi, HABERMAN, WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim, Derechin, Palestine), WOLINSKY (Boguslav, Odessa, Alexandria, Palestine, Melbourne, Atlantic City, Philadelphia, NY), ADELSON (Wysokidwor, Trakai), KABATCHNIK/FINN
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Of What Use Old Photographs
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Steve Orlen
Dear Robert & Cousins,
I get this terribly empty feeling feeling in my stomach when I think of throwing old photographs away... So my solution would be this: if you're going to make a "book" of some sort, which we all plan to do, or do periodically, to share with our family, put these photos in simply to show representative appearances of people in that time, at that place. In some ineffable way, your more imaginative family members might even try to guess at who these people were, what adventures they had with your grandfather. Best, Steve Orlen Tucson, AZ BELKIN (Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai & ? Lithuania), MELNICK, LIBERMAN ha COHEN, WEISBERG (Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo, Montreal), ORLIN (Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves, Zasliai), MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN haLevi, HABERMAN, WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim, Derechin, Palestine), WOLINSKY (Boguslav, Odessa, Alexandria, Palestine, Melbourne, Atlantic City, Philadelphia, NY), ADELSON (Wysokidwor, Trakai), KABATCHNIK/FINN
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Identify Streets and Buildings on Aerial Map of Wyszkow from 1944
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Howard Orenstein
Using info >from a contemporary map of Wyszkow, I superimposed the
names of some streets on an aerial map >from 1944 (see link below). This photo is large (2.2 MB) and was taken by the German Army. Stanley Diamond procured it >from the U.S. National Archives Cartographic Section of the Special Media Archives Services Division (NWCS). If you can name other streets, as well as buildings, please let me know privately. http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/ WyszkowAerialPhoto1944Streets.jpg -- Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D. Westminster, MD 21157 horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
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JRI Poland #Poland Identify Streets and Buildings on Aerial Map of Wyszkow from 1944
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Howard Orenstein
Using info >from a contemporary map of Wyszkow, I superimposed the
names of some streets on an aerial map >from 1944 (see link below). This photo is large (2.2 MB) and was taken by the German Army. Stanley Diamond procured it >from the U.S. National Archives Cartographic Section of the Special Media Archives Services Division (NWCS). If you can name other streets, as well as buildings, please let me know privately. http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/ WyszkowAerialPhoto1944Streets.jpg -- Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D. Westminster, MD 21157 horenstein@mcdaniel.edu
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Re: Old photos of non-relatives
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Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
I had a very satisfying (& productive) experience along those lines. A year
or so ago I posted a group pix of my father taken in the late '40's or early '50's in Birmingham, England, where he (and the family) lived. The pix was posted to the British-Jewry online newsgroup (a great group of people, BTW). The outcome was that 2 or 3 men in England who read my posting were able not only to identify their family members - fathers or (in one case) uncle in the photo but to identify all of the other men in the pix. One of them showed the pix to his "mates"at the Singers Hill shul in Birmingham, of which my family were long-term members. Another one contacted a friend of his (who grew up in Birmingham but who had moved away) who was able to identify *his" father as one of the men in the pix. Just before the First World War, my father was a member of the B'ham branch of the Jewish Lads' Brigade (since renamed the Lads and Girls Brigade). The pix included former members of the Brigade and was (I was told) possibly taken at the old Jewish community center in Birmingham. Most of the men (like my father) were in the clothing business. So - don't discard old pix of "non-relatives" -- someone (searching for long-lost relatives) may be able to identify all of those (hitherto unknown) faces for you! Think of it as a possible mitzvah! Naidia Woolf rnwoolf@earthlink.net San Francisco, CA Formerly >from Birmingham, England Researching: DROZDIAS (or variants) - Karczew, Poland; England ISAACS, family of Solomon and Sarah - Poland (town unknown), Birmingham, England RAUS - Karczew, Poland; England KUJAWSKI (family of Szya Wolf KUJAWSKI) - Lodz, Poland, Birmingham, England SHORN, family of Morris & Yetta - Poland (town unknown), London, England SUPERSTAYN/SAFIRSTEIN (or variants) - Karczew, Poland; England
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Old photos of non-relatives
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Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
I had a very satisfying (& productive) experience along those lines. A year
or so ago I posted a group pix of my father taken in the late '40's or early '50's in Birmingham, England, where he (and the family) lived. The pix was posted to the British-Jewry online newsgroup (a great group of people, BTW). The outcome was that 2 or 3 men in England who read my posting were able not only to identify their family members - fathers or (in one case) uncle in the photo but to identify all of the other men in the pix. One of them showed the pix to his "mates"at the Singers Hill shul in Birmingham, of which my family were long-term members. Another one contacted a friend of his (who grew up in Birmingham but who had moved away) who was able to identify *his" father as one of the men in the pix. Just before the First World War, my father was a member of the B'ham branch of the Jewish Lads' Brigade (since renamed the Lads and Girls Brigade). The pix included former members of the Brigade and was (I was told) possibly taken at the old Jewish community center in Birmingham. Most of the men (like my father) were in the clothing business. So - don't discard old pix of "non-relatives" -- someone (searching for long-lost relatives) may be able to identify all of those (hitherto unknown) faces for you! Think of it as a possible mitzvah! Naidia Woolf rnwoolf@earthlink.net San Francisco, CA Formerly >from Birmingham, England Researching: DROZDIAS (or variants) - Karczew, Poland; England ISAACS, family of Solomon and Sarah - Poland (town unknown), Birmingham, England RAUS - Karczew, Poland; England KUJAWSKI (family of Szya Wolf KUJAWSKI) - Lodz, Poland, Birmingham, England SHORN, family of Morris & Yetta - Poland (town unknown), London, England SUPERSTAYN/SAFIRSTEIN (or variants) - Karczew, Poland; England
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Non-Relation Photos - More info - Any Connections?
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Robert Dodell <RADodell@...>
I have old photos of my grandfather.
Murray Greenman born 1902 in Russia, born came to the US when he was 4 years old. Attended Syracuse University, New York in early 1920s. (Believe start in 1920 or 1921) Exhibition dancing with a Murray Taylor at the University Dance at Syracuse. After 3 years, left for medical school (3 years, leaving early due to early acceptance to medical school), Graduated George Washington University Medical School, Washington D.C, 1928. Have many photos the include male friends >from college years, both >from Syracuse and GW. Only name I have is Dr. Brownstein. Don't know if have photo of Murray Taylor, but assume so. If you have had a relation there, email me privately so we can see if I have a photo of your relative. Robert A. Dodell Scottsdale, Arizona RADodell@worldnet.att.net
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Non-Relation Photos - More info - Any Connections?
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Robert Dodell <RADodell@...>
I have old photos of my grandfather.
Murray Greenman born 1902 in Russia, born came to the US when he was 4 years old. Attended Syracuse University, New York in early 1920s. (Believe start in 1920 or 1921) Exhibition dancing with a Murray Taylor at the University Dance at Syracuse. After 3 years, left for medical school (3 years, leaving early due to early acceptance to medical school), Graduated George Washington University Medical School, Washington D.C, 1928. Have many photos the include male friends >from college years, both >from Syracuse and GW. Only name I have is Dr. Brownstein. Don't know if have photo of Murray Taylor, but assume so. If you have had a relation there, email me privately so we can see if I have a photo of your relative. Robert A. Dodell Scottsdale, Arizona RADodell@worldnet.att.net
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JGSGW Celebrates 25th Anniversary
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JGSGW <jgsgw_dc@...>
Members and friends of The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
(JGSGW) will celebrate the 25th Anniversary of the founding of the organization: DATE: Sunday, October 16, 2005 TIME: 1:30 PM PLACE: Beth El of Alexandria, 3830 Seminary Road, Alexandria, VA The Guest Speaker for the event is Gary Mokotoff. His address is titled "Genealogists as Historians." There will be a display of genealogical artifacts and fun for all. A kosher dairy luncheon will be served. For reservations information, contact jgsgw_dc@comcast.net A limited number of seats are available. The Banquet Committee, Sallyann Amdur Sack, Chairperson
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSGW Celebrates 25th Anniversary
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JGSGW <jgsgw_dc@...>
Members and friends of The Jewish Genealogy Society of Greater Washington
(JGSGW) will celebrate the 25th Anniversary of the founding of the organization: DATE: Sunday, October 16, 2005 TIME: 1:30 PM PLACE: Beth El of Alexandria, 3830 Seminary Road, Alexandria, VA The Guest Speaker for the event is Gary Mokotoff. His address is titled "Genealogists as Historians." There will be a display of genealogical artifacts and fun for all. A kosher dairy luncheon will be served. For reservations information, contact jgsgw_dc@comcast.net A limited number of seats are available. The Banquet Committee, Sallyann Amdur Sack, Chairperson
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JGS of Long Island Meeting
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Jackie Wasserstein
The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to join us at our
Sunday, October 23 meeting. Topic: "Genograms for Genealogists" Our guest speaker is Reverend Tom Taylor, pastor of Grace Luthern Church in North Bellmore. Pastor Taylor will present a non-denominational program on using genograms to determine family patterns. Time: 2:00PM Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York Admission is free and all are welcome. Refreshments will be served. Our "Mavens" will be available at 1:30 to take your genealogy questions. Resource books will be available. For more information please contact Rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com Jackie Wasserstein Past President
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Long Island Meeting
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Jackie Wasserstein
The Jewish Genealogy Society of Long Island invites you to join us at our
Sunday, October 23 meeting. Topic: "Genograms for Genealogists" Our guest speaker is Reverend Tom Taylor, pastor of Grace Luthern Church in North Bellmore. Pastor Taylor will present a non-denominational program on using genograms to determine family patterns. Time: 2:00PM Place: Mid-Island Y JCC 45 Manetto Hill Road Plainview, New York Admission is free and all are welcome. Refreshments will be served. Our "Mavens" will be available at 1:30 to take your genealogy questions. Resource books will be available. For more information please contact Rhoda, rmiller871@aol.com Jackie Wasserstein Past President
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Re: Seeking ADLER, LIVIUS, SASIENI, ROSENFELD. LEVINE, BAUSKIN
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Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
Does N. ADLER of Port Elizabeth, who was living there
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in 1877 mean anything to you? Adam Yamey. --- David Conway <smerus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I am seeking information about the ADLER family, a
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Re: Records 1920 - 1923
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Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
In regard to Beryl Baleson's questions regarding lack of records for the
period of 1920-1923 in official resources in South Africa, I am providing the following info: According to Prof. Aubrey Newman who is the expert on the Poor Jews' Temporary Shelter, his database does not go beyond September, 1914, although there are further registers which end in 1919. There are some limited lists existing for the 1930's, but nothing between 1919 and the 1930's. Sometimes, records are not kept, or disappear or are destroyed accidently or lost through War and other means. Beryl, there are Juter records relating to your family in the earlier Shelter records while not for the period when your family came in 1921 or so. The limited registers or lists we have for JEWISH naturalizations were not prepared by the government and therefore are not found in the Archives, but at the Kaplan Centre. There are naturalization records that are found in the Archives, although some of the pre-1924 records have disappeared or been disposed of as I found when I went to look for them. The same goes for the JEWISH arrival records which are limited to the period 1924-1929 and were not prepared by the government either. However, there are ships' manifests in the PRO in London relating to arrivals in SA. These records are part of an indexing project that is underway at the moment that has been discussed on this digest previously. There are always going to be natural conditions or various reasons why there are gaps in records and it isn't always a matter of the records being lost and needing to be found somewhere. Many times, just changes in government breaks the continuity of recordkeeping such as may have happened in South Africa. In America, for instance, there is almost an entire census year of 1891 that is missing due to a fire. This was a critical year when many Jewish families had come to America and there is nothing now to document their information except perhaps ships' manifests on their arrival. Another instance is the fire that destroyed Army records at the St. Louis, Missouri depository. Also, another instance of missing records is to be found in England as many records were destroyed during the bombings of WWII. Other records in certain localities were thrown out when lack of space confronted the keepers of the records or they forgot to transfer the records to larger repositories. Others were retained and access denied due to damaging personal materials in certain of these. However, I always feel that researchers should keep looking and following tips they may run across regarding possible locations of missing records. There is always the possibility that something was misplaced or misfiled or tucked away in some storage facility and mislabeled. All this means is that genealogical researchers have to become adept record scavangers by visiting Archives and other holding repositories, chatting with staff where possible, talking to old employees, and following leads from other researchers.Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: Seeking ADLER, LIVIUS, SASIENI, ROSENFELD. LEVINE, BAUSKIN
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Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
Does N. ADLER of Port Elizabeth, who was living there
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in 1877 mean anything to you? Adam Yamey. --- David Conway <smerus@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I am seeking information about the ADLER family, a
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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: Records 1920 - 1923
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Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
In regard to Beryl Baleson's questions regarding lack of records for the
period of 1920-1923 in official resources in South Africa, I am providing the following info: According to Prof. Aubrey Newman who is the expert on the Poor Jews' Temporary Shelter, his database does not go beyond September, 1914, although there are further registers which end in 1919. There are some limited lists existing for the 1930's, but nothing between 1919 and the 1930's. Sometimes, records are not kept, or disappear or are destroyed accidently or lost through War and other means. Beryl, there are Juter records relating to your family in the earlier Shelter records while not for the period when your family came in 1921 or so. The limited registers or lists we have for JEWISH naturalizations were not prepared by the government and therefore are not found in the Archives, but at the Kaplan Centre. There are naturalization records that are found in the Archives, although some of the pre-1924 records have disappeared or been disposed of as I found when I went to look for them. The same goes for the JEWISH arrival records which are limited to the period 1924-1929 and were not prepared by the government either. However, there are ships' manifests in the PRO in London relating to arrivals in SA. These records are part of an indexing project that is underway at the moment that has been discussed on this digest previously. There are always going to be natural conditions or various reasons why there are gaps in records and it isn't always a matter of the records being lost and needing to be found somewhere. Many times, just changes in government breaks the continuity of recordkeeping such as may have happened in South Africa. In America, for instance, there is almost an entire census year of 1891 that is missing due to a fire. This was a critical year when many Jewish families had come to America and there is nothing now to document their information except perhaps ships' manifests on their arrival. Another instance is the fire that destroyed Army records at the St. Louis, Missouri depository. Also, another instance of missing records is to be found in England as many records were destroyed during the bombings of WWII. Other records in certain localities were thrown out when lack of space confronted the keepers of the records or they forgot to transfer the records to larger repositories. Others were retained and access denied due to damaging personal materials in certain of these. However, I always feel that researchers should keep looking and following tips they may run across regarding possible locations of missing records. There is always the possibility that something was misplaced or misfiled or tucked away in some storage facility and mislabeled. All this means is that genealogical researchers have to become adept record scavangers by visiting Archives and other holding repositories, chatting with staff where possible, talking to old employees, and following leads from other researchers.Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net
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