David Edelman <pappapeach@gmail.com> wrote:

It would seem this should have been common, but I have never seen it.
I have only seen it once, in present San Francisco, where two sisters
are married to two brothers.
Was this common, not aloud, or what?

I had two aunts who married two brothers, but this was in London in the
1920s-1930s.

Sue Clamp

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Sue Clamp
Cambridgeshire, UK.
Researching: ROSENBERG/ROZENBERG, SKOWRONEK, HERSZENKRUG,
KRIEGSMANN/KRIGSMAN/KRYKSMAN, CHENCINER and DRUSZN/DROZEN/DROSSEN, Warsaw.
Getting round to (eventually!): BLEETMAN, Odessa, GOLDSTEIN and SALAMONSKI.

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David Edelman <pappapeach@gmail.com> wrote:

It would seem this should have been common, but I have never seen it.
I have only seen it once, in present San Francisco, where two sisters
are married to two brothers.
Was this common, not aloud, or what?

I had two aunts who married two brothers, but this was in London in the
1920s-1930s.

Sue Clamp

--
Sue Clamp
Cambridgeshire, UK.
Researching: ROSENBERG/ROZENBERG, SKOWRONEK, HERSZENKRUG,
KRIEGSMANN/KRIGSMAN/KRYKSMAN, CHENCINER and DRUSZN/DROZEN/DROSSEN, Warsaw.
Getting round to (eventually!): BLEETMAN, Odessa, GOLDSTEIN and SALAMONSKI.

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Jules wrote:

Speaking of PR, France is the WWII champ. French police arrested my
wife's parents on the Swiss border [we obtained the arrest records--
written in French, i.e., not German] and shipped them to the Auschwitz-bound
transport hub in Paris. I don't think that Germans trusted even the Poles
to operate under guise of authority without supervision.

As for Bulgarians, Albanians, Hungarians, Italians, etc., in general Jews
in Axis-allied countries survived better than in the occupied countries.
Finland had a Jew on its General Staff--refused to get rid of him when the
German liaison told them to. One shul I went to in LA had a shamas who was
in a Rumanian labor battalion during the war; he survived as a war prisoner
in a Soviet prison camp. My wife's Berlin aunt survived when an Italian
government official who had met her before the war went to Berlin, found her,
and married her to get her back to Italy. He remained at his gov't post
throughout the war (and afterward!). I think that, with the noted variations
others have discussed, Axis allies could demonstrate their "independence" by
protecting "their" Jews in a way that the occupied nations could not. As for
Denmark, the Scandinavian countries and some others were regarded as
candidates for Aryan status, and the punishments for protecting Jews were
less severe than they were in Poland, Ukraine, etc. This is why I never get
into the country-comparing game that some Jews indulge in -- *my* country was
better for the Jews than *your* country!

-------->
You are speaking of individual cases, the case of the 50,000 Bulgarian is
unique in the history of the WW II, as the *whole* community, where ever Jews
lived on the Bulgarian territory. Unfortunately there is not any other
example in Europe.

I had a technical problem to reply to previous messages on this Bulgaria
topics. So I take the opportunity to add information that was not said in
this thread of correspondence.
Thanks to the unbelievable, energetic and courageous pressure organized on
King Boris III by Dimiter Peshev, vice-president of the Parliament and head
of the governing party and 42 other Parliament members who were convinced by
him to join his effort fully supported by the heads of the Bulgarian
Orthodox Church.
The details of this remarkable and unique chapter of the history of the Jews'
total rescue during World War II, was mostly unknown until the fall of the
communist regime in 1989. Until then, communists, specialists in rewriting
history, made believe that the "People of Bulgaria" saved the Jews.
Yes, this is true that the Bulgarian army who occuppied Thrace and Macedonia
sent to their death 11,343 Jews, but still 50,000 other Jews were saved >from
the "Final Solution".

Shana Tova!
Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem

Jules wrote:

Speaking of PR, France is the WWII champ. French police arrested my
wife's parents on the Swiss border [we obtained the arrest records--
written in French, i.e., not German] and shipped them to the Auschwitz-bound
transport hub in Paris. I don't think that Germans trusted even the Poles
to operate under guise of authority without supervision.

As for Bulgarians, Albanians, Hungarians, Italians, etc., in general Jews
in Axis-allied countries survived better than in the occupied countries.
Finland had a Jew on its General Staff--refused to get rid of him when the
German liaison told them to. One shul I went to in LA had a shamas who was
in a Rumanian labor battalion during the war; he survived as a war prisoner
in a Soviet prison camp. My wife's Berlin aunt survived when an Italian
government official who had met her before the war went to Berlin, found her,
and married her to get her back to Italy. He remained at his gov't post
throughout the war (and afterward!). I think that, with the noted variations
others have discussed, Axis allies could demonstrate their "independence" by
protecting "their" Jews in a way that the occupied nations could not. As for
Denmark, the Scandinavian countries and some others were regarded as
candidates for Aryan status, and the punishments for protecting Jews were
less severe than they were in Poland, Ukraine, etc. This is why I never get
into the country-comparing game that some Jews indulge in -- *my* country was
better for the Jews than *your* country!

-------->
You are speaking of individual cases, the case of the 50,000 Bulgarian is
unique in the history of the WW II, as the *whole* community, where ever Jews
lived on the Bulgarian territory. Unfortunately there is not any other
example in Europe.

I had a technical problem to reply to previous messages on this Bulgaria
topics. So I take the opportunity to add information that was not said in
this thread of correspondence.
Thanks to the unbelievable, energetic and courageous pressure organized on
King Boris III by Dimiter Peshev, vice-president of the Parliament and head
of the governing party and 42 other Parliament members who were convinced by
him to join his effort fully supported by the heads of the Bulgarian
Orthodox Church.
The details of this remarkable and unique chapter of the history of the Jews'
total rescue during World War II, was mostly unknown until the fall of the
communist regime in 1989. Until then, communists, specialists in rewriting
history, made believe that the "People of Bulgaria" saved the Jews.
Yes, this is true that the Bulgarian army who occuppied Thrace and Macedonia
sent to their death 11,343 Jews, but still 50,000 other Jews were saved >from
the "Final Solution".

Shana Tova!
Mathilde Tagger
Jerusalem

I have also found the following reference:

Chary, Fredrich. The Bulgarian Jews and the Final Solution 1940--1944.
Pittsburgh: University of Pittsburgh Press, 1972

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)

See this link for Basic Bibliography of the Holocaust:

http://www1.yadvashem.org/about_holocaust%5Cbibliography%5Chome_bibliography.html

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)

I have also found the following reference:

Chary, Fredrich. The Bulgarian Jews and the Final Solution 1940--1944.
Pittsburgh: University of Pittsburgh Press, 1972

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)

See this link for Basic Bibliography of the Holocaust:

http://www1.yadvashem.org/about_holocaust%5Cbibliography%5Chome_bibliography.html

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)

Maybe you could donate them to a local Jewish museum (or possibly non-Jewish
museum). I am sure that they would advise you what best to do with them.

I am sure that they would be used to dealing with such questions.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)

Maybe you could donate them to a local Jewish museum (or possibly non-Jewish
museum). I am sure that they would advise you what best to do with them.

I am sure that they would be used to dealing with such questions.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov,
Belarus)

To all -

For those who have not read Alexander Beider's book on Jewish Given Names
or attended one of Warren Blatt's sessions on the same topic, here is the
link to Warren's excellent outline of the topic.

http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/GivenNames/

This really helps you understand what we are dealing with when it
comes to given names.

Dave Howard
http://horwitzfam.org

The Israel Genealogical Society is very pleased to announce that the
one day seminar now includes Karen Franklin as a speaker! Karen will
give us a talk on mining the Jewishgen databases, something we can
all learn from!

Please look at the new schedule for the Yom Iyun - "Family Roots in
the Land of Israel and in the World" which can be found at this URL:

isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

We have very few places left for the seminar and will likely be
closing registration by the end of this month due to a full house.
Please register now if you intend to come!

Martha Lev-Zion
for the Organising Committee.

To all -

For those who have not read Alexander Beider's book on Jewish Given Names
or attended one of Warren Blatt's sessions on the same topic, here is the
link to Warren's excellent outline of the topic.

http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/GivenNames/

This really helps you understand what we are dealing with when it
comes to given names.

Dave Howard
http://horwitzfam.org

The Israel Genealogical Society is very pleased to announce that the
one day seminar now includes Karen Franklin as a speaker! Karen will
give us a talk on mining the Jewishgen databases, something we can
all learn from!

Please look at the new schedule for the Yom Iyun - "Family Roots in
the Land of Israel and in the World" which can be found at this URL:

isragen.org.il/NROS/YY2005/

We have very few places left for the seminar and will likely be
closing registration by the end of this month due to a full house.
Please register now if you intend to come!

Martha Lev-Zion
for the Organising Committee.

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be very grateful if someone would take a look at the following
records:

1864 marriage record >from Izbica, Poland. I belive that it is for the
marriage of Fischel Gewircman and Beila Birenboim.
The ViewMate file is VM6841, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6841

1852 marriage record >from Jozefow, Poland. I belive that it is for the
marriage of Wagner Israel & Szynkier Feiga.
The ViewMate file is VM6842, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6842

1830 marriage record >from Jozefow, Poland. I belive that it is for the
marriage of Israel Wagner and Perla Szeffer.
The ViewMate file is VM6843, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6843

1862 marriage record >from WAGNER Israel & TENENBAUM Sure-Ita.
The ViewMate file is VM6869, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6869

1842 marriage record >from WAGNER Moshe & MAJZEL Chaja >from Jozefow, Poland.
The ViewMate file is VM6870, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6870

I would like to know the details in the records especially names, dates and
places, but I would also like to obtain the other details in the record.

Any help is appreciated.

I can provide a higher resolution images if helpful.

Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@gmail.com . Thank you.

Tamar Amit, Israel.

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be very grateful if someone would take a look at the following
records:

1864 marriage record >from Izbica, Poland. I belive that it is for the
marriage of Fischel Gewircman and Beila Birenboim.
The ViewMate file is VM6841, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6841

1852 marriage record >from Jozefow, Poland. I belive that it is for the
marriage of Wagner Israel & Szynkier Feiga.
The ViewMate file is VM6842, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6842

1830 marriage record >from Jozefow, Poland. I belive that it is for the
marriage of Israel Wagner and Perla Szeffer.
The ViewMate file is VM6843, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6843

1862 marriage record >from WAGNER Israel & TENENBAUM Sure-Ita.
The ViewMate file is VM6869, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6869

1842 marriage record >from WAGNER Moshe & MAJZEL Chaja >from Jozefow, Poland.
The ViewMate file is VM6870, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6870

I would like to know the details in the records especially names, dates and
places, but I would also like to obtain the other details in the record.

Any help is appreciated.

I can provide a higher resolution images if helpful.

Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@gmail.com . Thank you.

Tamar Amit, Israel.

The May/June 2004 issue of Public Libraries, a publication of the Public
Library Association, featured an article entitled "Providing Genealogy
Research Services in Public Libraries." The article specifically mentions
the Palm Beach County (Florida) Library System's Genealogy Research website
and electronic email services, staffed by two professional research
librarians.

According to the article, the PBCLS staff will respond at no charge and
usually within 24 hours to requests for "locator searches" for current and
deceased residents of Palm Beach County, using archival city directories,
the Florida Death Index, local cemetery directory records, and the indexes
and microfilm of three South Florida newspapers.

To view the article, go to
www.ala.org/ala/pla/plapubs/publiclibraries/43n3.pdf

The Palm Beach County Library System's genealogy website is at
www.pbclibrary.org/genealogy.htm

Renee

P.S. Although my email address and my magazine reading suggest otherwise, I
am not a librarian.

Renee Steinig
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

The May/June 2004 issue of Public Libraries, a publication of the Public
Library Association, featured an article entitled "Providing Genealogy
Research Services in Public Libraries." The article specifically mentions
the Palm Beach County (Florida) Library System's Genealogy Research website
and electronic email services, staffed by two professional research
librarians.

According to the article, the PBCLS staff will respond at no charge and
usually within 24 hours to requests for "locator searches" for current and
deceased residents of Palm Beach County, using archival city directories,
the Florida Death Index, local cemetery directory records, and the indexes
and microfilm of three South Florida newspapers.

To view the article, go to
www.ala.org/ala/pla/plapubs/publiclibraries/43n3.pdf

The Palm Beach County Library System's genealogy website is at
www.pbclibrary.org/genealogy.htm

Renee

P.S. Although my email address and my magazine reading suggest otherwise, I
am not a librarian.

Renee Steinig
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

Dear Genners,
I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899.
The place of origin is given as Zatrn. Upon looking at
the original manifest I realized that it is Zab??.
As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The
first thing which comes to mind is Zabno but I need an
experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a
better solution.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Dear Genners,
I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899.
The place of origin is given as Zatrn. Upon looking at
the original manifest I realized that it is Zab??.
As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The
first thing which comes to mind is Zabno but I need an
experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a
better solution.
Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem