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Securing Mother's maiden name and / or mother and father's place of birth - need assistance #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

The Mother and father had 3 children - 1 son and 2 daughters. All born
in Europe. The lived in PA.

Both daughters had a SS#, and I have requested the original apps for
one. If this yields no info, I will request the app for the other.

One daughter's marriage lic yielded no info. I have not requested the
other, as it likely would yield same results.
Son never married/

Ellis island records do not help.

I suspect I have addressed all the obvious approaches.

Family entry to the US was approx 1905 - 1910 for all arrivals.

I am looking for any ideas on other possible approaches / documents
that I might try in the US.

Howie Axelrod


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Securing Mother's maiden name and / or mother and father's place of birth - need assistance #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

The Mother and father had 3 children - 1 son and 2 daughters. All born
in Europe. The lived in PA.

Both daughters had a SS#, and I have requested the original apps for
one. If this yields no info, I will request the app for the other.

One daughter's marriage lic yielded no info. I have not requested the
other, as it likely would yield same results.
Son never married/

Ellis island records do not help.

I suspect I have addressed all the obvious approaches.

Family entry to the US was approx 1905 - 1910 for all arrivals.

I am looking for any ideas on other possible approaches / documents
that I might try in the US.

Howie Axelrod


Re: More warts - what was not told #general

joyweave
 

Barbara's story reminded me of the single week in which I received death
certificates >from NY City and a town in Pennsylvania for my grandfather
and my husband's grandfather, respectively.

My grandfather's revealed that he died by jumping out the window of a TB
sanitorium and my husband's gf's revealed that he died of syphilis of
the brain.

No wonder no one wanted to tell me anything when I asked!

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY USA

Barbara Zimmer wrote:


In my family, there were several topics that were not discussed - at
least not with "the children". So I did no know that my uncle committed
suicide by taking cyanide. (He was a jeweler and thus had access to
cyanide which is used to purify gold.) I was able to obtain the death
certificate at the state archives.

Nor did I know (until I recently asked my elderly aunt) that my other
uncle divorced his wife (my father's sister) and remarried. I obtained
more details on that one >from his will.

And in my husband's family there was a great-cousin who "worked in a
saloon" in the western part of the US. A mutual cousin of my husband
was reluctant to share any information about her. The important part is
that she died young and may have suffered >from a chronic genetic disease
which we know has affected one branch of the family for over 4 generations.

As genealogists we often uncover details which might otherwise remain
hidden. Some of those details may prove to be highly significant.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: More warts - what was not told #general

joyweave
 

Barbara's story reminded me of the single week in which I received death
certificates >from NY City and a town in Pennsylvania for my grandfather
and my husband's grandfather, respectively.

My grandfather's revealed that he died by jumping out the window of a TB
sanitorium and my husband's gf's revealed that he died of syphilis of
the brain.

No wonder no one wanted to tell me anything when I asked!

Joy Weaver
East Islip, NY USA

Barbara Zimmer wrote:


In my family, there were several topics that were not discussed - at
least not with "the children". So I did no know that my uncle committed
suicide by taking cyanide. (He was a jeweler and thus had access to
cyanide which is used to purify gold.) I was able to obtain the death
certificate at the state archives.

Nor did I know (until I recently asked my elderly aunt) that my other
uncle divorced his wife (my father's sister) and remarried. I obtained
more details on that one >from his will.

And in my husband's family there was a great-cousin who "worked in a
saloon" in the western part of the US. A mutual cousin of my husband
was reluctant to share any information about her. The important part is
that she died young and may have suffered >from a chronic genetic disease
which we know has affected one branch of the family for over 4 generations.

As genealogists we often uncover details which might otherwise remain
hidden. Some of those details may prove to be highly significant.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia


Film lookup offer (NYC marriage & death) #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

Dear all,

I have finished using the following films.

If anyone needs a film look-up, please email me privately with the name
& certificate number you are looking for. These are all films of certificates,
*not* indexes, so I can not look up any names.

All are being returned 12 Nov, with the exception of the 2 noted.

Brooklyn NY Marriage certificates
FHL# 1613952 ***due back 5 DEC*** (Jun-Jul 1920, Cert. #8245-9500)
FHL# 1613953 (Jun-Aug 1920, Cert. #9501-10743)

Manhattan NY Marriage certificates
FHL #1653329 (1921-1922, Cert. #5250-7000)

Bronx NY Marriage Certificates
FHL #1954319 (4 May 1922- 5 Sep 1922, Cert. #1600-3320)
FHL #1955744 (2 Jul 1928-13 Sep 1928, Cert. #4280-6020)
FHL #1927885 **DUE BACK 24 NOV** (9 Apr 1934-18 Jun 1934, Cert. #2390-4090)

Manhattan NY Death Certificates
FHL #2070292 (1933, Cert. #1001-2000)

Shelly Weiner
Henderson NV

--
BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF--Walkowisko, Poland to Detroit MI
FELDMAN (Hungary) to New Brunswick NJ
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH--Ostov, Russia to Detroit MI
RHYZI/ROSSEN--Vladimerets OR Stahovka,Ukraine to Detroit,MI
SMOLER/SMOLYAR/SMOLAR--Vladimerets Ukraine to Detroit MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Film lookup offer (NYC marriage & death) #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

Dear all,

I have finished using the following films.

If anyone needs a film look-up, please email me privately with the name
& certificate number you are looking for. These are all films of certificates,
*not* indexes, so I can not look up any names.

All are being returned 12 Nov, with the exception of the 2 noted.

Brooklyn NY Marriage certificates
FHL# 1613952 ***due back 5 DEC*** (Jun-Jul 1920, Cert. #8245-9500)
FHL# 1613953 (Jun-Aug 1920, Cert. #9501-10743)

Manhattan NY Marriage certificates
FHL #1653329 (1921-1922, Cert. #5250-7000)

Bronx NY Marriage Certificates
FHL #1954319 (4 May 1922- 5 Sep 1922, Cert. #1600-3320)
FHL #1955744 (2 Jul 1928-13 Sep 1928, Cert. #4280-6020)
FHL #1927885 **DUE BACK 24 NOV** (9 Apr 1934-18 Jun 1934, Cert. #2390-4090)

Manhattan NY Death Certificates
FHL #2070292 (1933, Cert. #1001-2000)

Shelly Weiner
Henderson NV

--
BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF--Walkowisko, Poland to Detroit MI
FELDMAN (Hungary) to New Brunswick NJ
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH--Ostov, Russia to Detroit MI
RHYZI/ROSSEN--Vladimerets OR Stahovka,Ukraine to Detroit,MI
SMOLER/SMOLYAR/SMOLAR--Vladimerets Ukraine to Detroit MI


German Jews South Africa #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

There is an article in Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa)
3 nov 2005 about an exhibition jointly held by SAJBD Johannesburg and the
Goethe Institute on German Jews in SA

German Jewish immigrants take stock of life in South Africa

By Benita van Eyssen, dpa
Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa)
If anyone wants a copy of the article please contact me privately.


Saul Issroff


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica German Jews South Africa #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

There is an article in Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa)
3 nov 2005 about an exhibition jointly held by SAJBD Johannesburg and the
Goethe Institute on German Jews in SA

German Jewish immigrants take stock of life in South Africa

By Benita van Eyssen, dpa
Deutsche Presse-Agentur (dpa)
If anyone wants a copy of the article please contact me privately.


Saul Issroff


Rivlin families in Johannesburg and Benoni #southafrica

Jules Feldman
 

According to the Rivlin Genealogy "Sefer HaYachas leMishpachat Rivlin" that
was published in Jerusalem in 1940 there were then residing in Johannesburg
the brothers Rivlin
Dr. Yehuda Leib Rivlin and Dr. Israel Rivlin
The Rivlin family lived in Boisk and then Riga
Of Yehuda Leib (also known as Arye Leib) we know that he lived at some stage
in Kharkov (perhaps he qualified there?)
Of Israel we know that he studied in Frankfurt and then London.
In http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/CGI/CGI_ROOTWEB.EXE the SA Jewish
Database
I found Leib Rivlin buried in Westpark and Dr Israel and Judith Rivlin
buried in Benoni.
I will be grateful to anyone who can provide more information on the
brothers and put me in touch with their families.

I want to use this opportunity to inform those who may be connected that
there is planned for 2009 in Jerusalem a gathering of the Rivlin tribe. In
the last gathering in 1980 there were over 2000 persons present.

Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Yizreel, Israel
jfeldman@yizrael.org.il


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Rivlin families in Johannesburg and Benoni #southafrica

Jules Feldman
 

According to the Rivlin Genealogy "Sefer HaYachas leMishpachat Rivlin" that
was published in Jerusalem in 1940 there were then residing in Johannesburg
the brothers Rivlin
Dr. Yehuda Leib Rivlin and Dr. Israel Rivlin
The Rivlin family lived in Boisk and then Riga
Of Yehuda Leib (also known as Arye Leib) we know that he lived at some stage
in Kharkov (perhaps he qualified there?)
Of Israel we know that he studied in Frankfurt and then London.
In http://chrysalis.its.uct.ac.za/CGI/CGI_ROOTWEB.EXE the SA Jewish
Database
I found Leib Rivlin buried in Westpark and Dr Israel and Judith Rivlin
buried in Benoni.
I will be grateful to anyone who can provide more information on the
brothers and put me in touch with their families.

I want to use this opportunity to inform those who may be connected that
there is planned for 2009 in Jerusalem a gathering of the Rivlin tribe. In
the last gathering in 1980 there were over 2000 persons present.

Thanks,
Jules Feldman
Yizreel, Israel
jfeldman@yizrael.org.il


JGSPBCI [FL] Nov.9 meeting still scheduled #general

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach county Inc
Celebrating our Fifteenth Anniversary Year
www.jgspalmbeachcounty.org

Nov. 9, 2005 Membership meeting goes on as scheduled!

Hurricane Wilma has passed. Everyone is well, physically - traumatized -
but well.
The exterior and interior damage to homes, the lush landscape of Palm Beach,
Broward and Miami Dade Counties has been an unbelievable disaster!
Thousands of residents have not had their power restored!
However, our November 9 meeting will be held as planned at the South County
Civic Center.
Please join us! And drive carefully!

Wednesday, November 9, 2005
South County Civic Center , 16700 Jog Road, Delray Beach.
12:30 PM - Brick Wall Session
1:00 PM - Program (followed by brief business meeting)
2:30 PM - SIG meeting

Our program will spotlight "A Successful Family Reunion, Including Family
History and Genealogy", presented by JGSPBCI members Sandra and Dorn Hirschhorn.
Family reunions have an important place in our genealogy research.
Don and Sandy recently chaired a tremendously successful family reunion.
They will share their techniques on preparing for and enjoying a successful
Family Reunion.

Please note the change in time for the SIG meeting: *After* the business meeting.

If you have a question, please contact Membership Liaison, Marilyn Newman:
MNEWMAN14@aol.com

Dennis Rice, President
drtigers@aol.com
Jackie Fineblit, E-mail Coordinator
jsfine@adelphia.net


Re: Privacy on the web #general

Dorothy Harper <dorothyharper17@...>
 

Thank you all for your feed-back, I guess I over-reacted, several of you
told me of finding relatives through google.com, yahoo.com, up until a few
days ago Jewish-Genealogy was my only sourse for finding relatives.

Then! a long lost cousin in Toronto, estranged >from the rest of the family
saw *his* family name on google and wrote me. Coincidence? So much
information that no one knew but him!

Anyway, I did a complete search on google today, I copied and pasted the
sites that have my Home Page and/or Index of individuals to my Word. I last
submitted my Tree to the World Family Tree on February 18, 2002 so most
information was obscolete. The Index of individuals only showed names and
dates of deceased relatives, also notes of memories, and photos. No
birthdates of living individuals. I felt secure. Then going down the list,
entering family names, I found my MIL's family dated April 6, 2004, and
another had my Home page updated November 1, 2005. How did they do this?
I did not submit my Tree to World FTM. There anyone can look on my updated
Descendant Charts (PDF) with names, births, marriages, deaths and places of
the above.

My Tree on genealogy.com which I no longer belong to (they are now
ancestry.com with updated files) they just wanted someone to buy my records.
I also saw a "Net Detective: find out the truth about anyone!" site where
my name was, I found my JewishGen-erosity, I found some other Dorothy
(Kaplan) Harpers which are brilliant authors and origami enthusiasts, AND I
found my older son Michael's Home Page which informed me finally of what he
actually does since he does not tell his mother of his accomplishments. If
anyone wants to see my brilliant son I can send you his site.

So: I have accepted the fact that I am in the 21st century, on the
Information Highway, however I would still prefer to delete dates and photos
of living individuals. Particularly children. I have seen an option on FTM
which I shall investigate, I noticed others had Family Trees that were
Privatized through some program.

I will go to Yahoo tomorrow and see what they know about me. I am no longer
paranoid, I just don't understand how my Home Page was updated 2 days ago as
if by magic.

Sincerely, Dorothy Harper, researching: KAPLAN/METTER ,Litvaks >from the
Minsk area Belarus; ROZENBERG/ROSENBERG, Skaryszew near Radom Poland;
HOCHBERG, Galicia - Lvov or Bobrka; MOSSOWITZ, Russia.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSPBCI [FL] Nov.9 meeting still scheduled #general

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach county Inc
Celebrating our Fifteenth Anniversary Year
www.jgspalmbeachcounty.org

Nov. 9, 2005 Membership meeting goes on as scheduled!

Hurricane Wilma has passed. Everyone is well, physically - traumatized -
but well.
The exterior and interior damage to homes, the lush landscape of Palm Beach,
Broward and Miami Dade Counties has been an unbelievable disaster!
Thousands of residents have not had their power restored!
However, our November 9 meeting will be held as planned at the South County
Civic Center.
Please join us! And drive carefully!

Wednesday, November 9, 2005
South County Civic Center , 16700 Jog Road, Delray Beach.
12:30 PM - Brick Wall Session
1:00 PM - Program (followed by brief business meeting)
2:30 PM - SIG meeting

Our program will spotlight "A Successful Family Reunion, Including Family
History and Genealogy", presented by JGSPBCI members Sandra and Dorn Hirschhorn.
Family reunions have an important place in our genealogy research.
Don and Sandy recently chaired a tremendously successful family reunion.
They will share their techniques on preparing for and enjoying a successful
Family Reunion.

Please note the change in time for the SIG meeting: *After* the business meeting.

If you have a question, please contact Membership Liaison, Marilyn Newman:
MNEWMAN14@aol.com

Dennis Rice, President
drtigers@aol.com
Jackie Fineblit, E-mail Coordinator
jsfine@adelphia.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Privacy on the web #general

Dorothy Harper <dorothyharper17@...>
 

Thank you all for your feed-back, I guess I over-reacted, several of you
told me of finding relatives through google.com, yahoo.com, up until a few
days ago Jewish-Genealogy was my only sourse for finding relatives.

Then! a long lost cousin in Toronto, estranged >from the rest of the family
saw *his* family name on google and wrote me. Coincidence? So much
information that no one knew but him!

Anyway, I did a complete search on google today, I copied and pasted the
sites that have my Home Page and/or Index of individuals to my Word. I last
submitted my Tree to the World Family Tree on February 18, 2002 so most
information was obscolete. The Index of individuals only showed names and
dates of deceased relatives, also notes of memories, and photos. No
birthdates of living individuals. I felt secure. Then going down the list,
entering family names, I found my MIL's family dated April 6, 2004, and
another had my Home page updated November 1, 2005. How did they do this?
I did not submit my Tree to World FTM. There anyone can look on my updated
Descendant Charts (PDF) with names, births, marriages, deaths and places of
the above.

My Tree on genealogy.com which I no longer belong to (they are now
ancestry.com with updated files) they just wanted someone to buy my records.
I also saw a "Net Detective: find out the truth about anyone!" site where
my name was, I found my JewishGen-erosity, I found some other Dorothy
(Kaplan) Harpers which are brilliant authors and origami enthusiasts, AND I
found my older son Michael's Home Page which informed me finally of what he
actually does since he does not tell his mother of his accomplishments. If
anyone wants to see my brilliant son I can send you his site.

So: I have accepted the fact that I am in the 21st century, on the
Information Highway, however I would still prefer to delete dates and photos
of living individuals. Particularly children. I have seen an option on FTM
which I shall investigate, I noticed others had Family Trees that were
Privatized through some program.

I will go to Yahoo tomorrow and see what they know about me. I am no longer
paranoid, I just don't understand how my Home Page was updated 2 days ago as
if by magic.

Sincerely, Dorothy Harper, researching: KAPLAN/METTER ,Litvaks >from the
Minsk area Belarus; ROZENBERG/ROSENBERG, Skaryszew near Radom Poland;
HOCHBERG, Galicia - Lvov or Bobrka; MOSSOWITZ, Russia.


JGSCDNY (Albany, NY) Meeting #general

Bobmar37
 

JGSCDNY will hold its next meeting on Thursday, November 17, at 7:30 p.m. at
Avila, 100 White Pine Dr., Albany.

Rons Arons will present a talk on "The Men behind the Flamingo Hotel: Bugsy
Siegel and Meyer Lansky."

Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky were two of a kind. Raised on the Lower East
Side, both Bugsy and Meyer chose to live on the other side of the tracks.
While there are many materials available on the lives of these two men (books,
Hollywood movies and documentaries, and websites), not everything you see and
read is accurate. Learn more about the lives of two of the most notorious
gangsters through standard and non-traditional documents (as well as provide
a terrific story!).

Ron Arons of San Francisco has degrees >from Princeton and the University of
Chicago. He recently won a research grant >from the New York State Archives in
Albany. His current focus of research concerns both famous and lesser-known
criminals. He is currently writing a book, "The Jews of Sing Sing."

Admission is free and the public is invited. Refreshments will be served.

(Avila is off Washington Ave. Ext. Turn between Teresian House and Daughters
of Sarah. Continue straight past Daughters of Sarah and Avila will be on
your left.)

Marian Price
Rensselaer, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSCDNY (Albany, NY) Meeting #general

Bobmar37
 

JGSCDNY will hold its next meeting on Thursday, November 17, at 7:30 p.m. at
Avila, 100 White Pine Dr., Albany.

Rons Arons will present a talk on "The Men behind the Flamingo Hotel: Bugsy
Siegel and Meyer Lansky."

Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lansky were two of a kind. Raised on the Lower East
Side, both Bugsy and Meyer chose to live on the other side of the tracks.
While there are many materials available on the lives of these two men (books,
Hollywood movies and documentaries, and websites), not everything you see and
read is accurate. Learn more about the lives of two of the most notorious
gangsters through standard and non-traditional documents (as well as provide
a terrific story!).

Ron Arons of San Francisco has degrees >from Princeton and the University of
Chicago. He recently won a research grant >from the New York State Archives in
Albany. His current focus of research concerns both famous and lesser-known
criminals. He is currently writing a book, "The Jews of Sing Sing."

Admission is free and the public is invited. Refreshments will be served.

(Avila is off Washington Ave. Ext. Turn between Teresian House and Daughters
of Sarah. Continue straight past Daughters of Sarah and Avila will be on
your left.)

Marian Price
Rensselaer, NY


Re: Immigrants to Australia #hungary

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Gabriela Svatos asked about Peter FOLDES records in the National Archives of Australia (NAA).

Of the three records on Peter FOLDES that showed on an online search:

- one related to a Peter FOLDES born in 1944. That file has not yet been examined and thus is not yet open for perusal.

- one relates to the application by a George MEDAK to sponsor Peter Foldes as an immigant to Australia, possibly
immediately pre-WW2.
that file is only available to individuals in the reading room of the NAA

- the third one is the application by George MEDAK to sponsor Aladar, Ella and Peter FOLDES. That file has been
processed to the extant that a digiatal copy of the file is available online simply by clicking on the relavant icon.

regards

David Laufer
Sydney


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Immigrants to Australia #hungary

David & Diana Laufer <dlaufer@...>
 

Gabriela Svatos asked about Peter FOLDES records in the National Archives of Australia (NAA).

Of the three records on Peter FOLDES that showed on an online search:

- one related to a Peter FOLDES born in 1944. That file has not yet been examined and thus is not yet open for perusal.

- one relates to the application by a George MEDAK to sponsor Peter Foldes as an immigant to Australia, possibly
immediately pre-WW2.
that file is only available to individuals in the reading room of the NAA

- the third one is the application by George MEDAK to sponsor Aladar, Ella and Peter FOLDES. That file has been
processed to the extant that a digiatal copy of the file is available online simply by clicking on the relavant icon.

regards

David Laufer
Sydney


Re: The Origins of Katz Surname #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

"katz" originated as a hebrew abbreviation for "kohen tzedek", and was used as a surname almost exclusively by kohanim (although there was nothing to prevent others >from adopting the name). (its similarity to the german word for cat is purely coincidence.) i wouldn't say that it was exactly "germanized", since it was "katz" both before and after, but it may have been considered as "acceptable" because it sounded sufficiently like german. apparently, "katzenellenbogen" was originally a place name (see http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=135&letter=K&search=katzenellenbogen ), after the bearers had moved somewhere else, although the "katz-" part may have originated >from some (medieval?) cat.

i wouldn't be surprised to see it used instead of "hacohen", although i wouldn't call it exactly a title. in a sense it is more of an abbreviation, much like "b'r" is a common abbreviation for "ben reb" (even though it is also a proper aramaic word meaning "son of").

because hungarian jews were among the first to be emancipated in europe, there was significant immigration >from surrounding countries. those people would have brought their names with them, so it isn't surprising that a family would have branches in different parts of europe.


....... tom klein, toronto

ps. my own theory for the large number of KLEINs in hungary is that it is also derived >from "cohen".

"Katz, Itzik" <Itzik.Katz@KLA-Tencor.com>wrote:

My cousin had taken the FTDNA Y37 test and the results that came back
matched several people, one of which is an exact match with us. The DNA
matching indicate that we are all relatives and that our common ancestor
(depending on the level of DNA matchin) lived between 200 to 600 years
ago.
The ancestors of these people are known to have come >from Ukraine and
Poland. My family is the only one >from Hungary.

All the people we match with (exact or partial match) are known to be
Kohanim as the Katz surname would suggest. However, only one of them
carry
the surname Katz. All the others have different surnames like Kahan,
Bloom,
Kaplansky, Feinberg, etc. Most of these people have indications that
thier
surname was changed >from Kahan or Kohen but not >from Katz.

I always believed that Katz was one of those ancient surnames since it
has a
meaning in Hebrew and that it was carried over the generations.

Is it possible that Katz is a germanized name to comply wuth the 1786
Empiral naming Order?

I have seen in other places that Katz was also used as a title and not
as a
surname. For examply, Rabby Shimshon Eliezer Katz Gottdiener who was a
"Av-Beit Din (head of Jewish court)" in Tiszalok (in the book "Shem
Ha'Gdolim" by Pinhas Zelig Schwartz) who is known to have been a Kohen.
Gottdiener is a greminazed name of the Hebrew surnmae Ovadia (server of
God).


Re: Some Basic Questions #hungary

Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@...>
 

Thank you, Vivian, for your answer.

At 02:54 AM 11/3/2005, vkahn@kmort.com wrote:
Pat,

There are records in the Hungarian state archives, the archives in
Nyireghaza, and in many other locations that have not been filmed by the
FHL. When JewishGen volunteers and staff come across such records they
attempt to acquire such records and obtain permission for JewishGen to
transcribe them. If you are unable to find the records you want in the
FHL catalog, you need to contact other sources, including the closest
regional and national archives to find out if such records exist. It's
always a good idea to first post your inquiry to the Hungarian SIG website
because many researchers have obtained records that have not been filmed
by the FHL. The next step is to contact various sources directly to find
out if the records you seek exist. H-SIG members may also be able to
direct you to the places that are most likely to have the records you seek.

The FHL donated a catalog of its Jewish records to JewishGen several years
ago. That database, which you can find on the JewishGen website, does not
include Jewish records that have been filmed during the time when this
catalog was created. You need to go to the FHL website or your local FHL
branch for more current information.

I hope that this answers your question.

Vivian Kahn

Subject: re:Some Basic Questions
From: Patricia J Weisshaus <patjw28@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:16:32 -0400
X-Message-Number: 3

Dear Vivian,

You mention more records >from Nireghaza. You also say that the FHL list is
dated. Do you know of these other records >from Nireghaza are being/have
been filed and just not included in the list online, or are the the numbers
available a the FHC?

Pat

12:58 AM On 10/28/2005, vkahn@kmort.com wrote:
Dear Peter,

You've asked some questions for which others who have recently begun
researching Hungarian Jewish roots may also need answers.

Hungary began civil registration in October 1895. Before then, vital
records were maintained by the Jewish community and turned over to the
authorities. One copy of these records was kept in the place where the
records were generated and the other was usually sent to the county
(megye). As a result, even though some of the local records were
destroyed during WWII, others that were kept in county, regional, or
national archives may have been preserved. The Mormon Family History
Library (FHL) has filmed many records >from pre-World War I Hungary, which
included areas that are in present-day Hungary as well as places that are
now in Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, and other modern nations
surrounding Hungary. The first step in researching your roots is to find
out in which current nation your ancestors lived.

Check the FHL on-line catalogue to see if they have filmed Jewish records
from the places where your relatives lived. You can search a somewhat
dated version of the FHL collection of Jewish records at
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/FHLC/
You should also search the surnames and places that you are researching in
the JewishGen Hungary Database (JHD)
< http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/Hungary >.

If you have family >from areas that are in present-day Hungary or Slovakia,
you may be able to obtain records by writing to the Hungarian or Slovak
National Archives. Check the Hungarian SIG message archives and website
for current addresses. Your research will be more difficult if your
family came >from parts of pre-Trianon Hungary that are now in Romania or
the Ukraine. The FHL has microfilmed most of the 1848 Jewish Census
records that are held by the Hungarian National
Archives, but we continue to find records in regional archives
(Nyireghaza and Satorjaujhely, for example) and archives in Romania.
We know that there are other census and Jewish vital records in Romanian
and Ukrainian archives. JewishGen is continuing to try and obtain these
records and get permission to create indices that we can publish on-line.

In addition to searching the JewishGen Hungary Database (JHD), you should
send messages to the Hungarian SIG mailing list to find out if anyone is
researching your names and/or places or can suggest other resources.
We
have more than 800 members in more than a dozen countries and many of them
are fluent in Hungarian. Make sure to use a meaningful subject line (e.g.
Searching KAHAN/Sziget) and include your place of residence with your full
name. This will help folks to identify resources
that are available close to where you live. Also, make sure to
turn off SPAM blockers to allow H-SIG members to reach you.

Please feel free to contact me off-line or, if your questions might be of
general interest, through the Hungarian SIG discussion group.

Happy hunting!

Vivian Kahn, Hungarian SIG Coordinator