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"Jewish Cemeteries, Synagogues, and Mass Grave Sites in Ukraine" #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Visiting the website of the United States Commission for the Preservation of
America's Heritage Abroad (www.heritageabroad.gov) today, I found a link to their
recent report, "Jewish Cemeteries, Synagogues, and Mass Grave Sites in Ukraine"
(www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf). The illustrated
180-page report includes sections on Jewish heritage in Ukraine, Jewish sites in
Ukraine, and preservation efforts and issues. Several pages discuss the
constituencies who care about the location, access, and condition of Jewish
cemeteries in Ukraine -- primarily Hasidim and Jewish genealogists -- and quote
several of our colleagues.

More than half of the book is made up of these appendices:

- an alphabetical list of the localities surveyed by the Commission, with oblast
in parentheses

- lists of the synagogues, cemeteries, mass graves, and Holocaust memorials that
were surveyed (listed alphabetically by oblast, then town)

- contact individuals, institutions, and organizations

According to the website, the Commission posts complete data on the Internet via
the IAJGS's International Jewish Cemetery Project
(www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe). Additional information is also available
from uscommission@heritageabroad.gov .
Three earlier Commission surveys are also available online:

- "Jewish Monuments of Slovenia," 2nd revised edition, 1996

- "Survey of Historic Jewish Monuments in Poland,"
2nd revised edition, 1995

- "Survey of Historic Jewish Monuments in the Czech Republic," 1994

Despite the broad mission that its name suggests, the Commission's focus is
endangered Jewish sites in Central and Eastern Europe.

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Jewish Cemeteries, Synagogues, and Mass Grave Sites in Ukraine" #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Visiting the website of the United States Commission for the Preservation of
America's Heritage Abroad (www.heritageabroad.gov) today, I found a link to their
recent report, "Jewish Cemeteries, Synagogues, and Mass Grave Sites in Ukraine"
(www.heritageabroad.gov/reports/doc/survey_ukraine_2005.pdf). The illustrated
180-page report includes sections on Jewish heritage in Ukraine, Jewish sites in
Ukraine, and preservation efforts and issues. Several pages discuss the
constituencies who care about the location, access, and condition of Jewish
cemeteries in Ukraine -- primarily Hasidim and Jewish genealogists -- and quote
several of our colleagues.

More than half of the book is made up of these appendices:

- an alphabetical list of the localities surveyed by the Commission, with oblast
in parentheses

- lists of the synagogues, cemeteries, mass graves, and Holocaust memorials that
were surveyed (listed alphabetically by oblast, then town)

- contact individuals, institutions, and organizations

According to the website, the Commission posts complete data on the Internet via
the IAJGS's International Jewish Cemetery Project
(www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/e-europe). Additional information is also available
from uscommission@heritageabroad.gov .
Three earlier Commission surveys are also available online:

- "Jewish Monuments of Slovenia," 2nd revised edition, 1996

- "Survey of Historic Jewish Monuments in Poland,"
2nd revised edition, 1995

- "Survey of Historic Jewish Monuments in the Czech Republic," 1994

Despite the broad mission that its name suggests, the Commission's focus is
endangered Jewish sites in Central and Eastern Europe.

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us
***
MODERATOR NOTE: The report Renee found is a very large file (7.4 megabytes).
Genners with dialup connections might find it preferable not to open this 108 page
document.


Re: Include Warts and All #general

Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
 

If you want a true and accurate family history, everything should be included and
every fact should be documented as to its source.

As long as the source is included, the reader/viewer can than evaluate its
possible accuracy. Oral history is just that. Unless it is corroborated by
research and supporting documentation, it must merely be considered as family
lore, not family fact.

To quote a very good genealogist that I know: "Genealogy without documentation is
mythology."

Enjoy,
Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG
Winter Springs, FL
<Would be interested in hearing opinions on whether to provide only positive
descriptions of our parents and grandparents or to include any negative aspects
i.e. a "warts and all" account of his ancestors. Harold Lewin - Jerusalem>


Re: Should we exclude the warts? #general

ac <anitac47@...>
 

Don't know if you remember the very old TV show "Dragnet". Detective Joe Friday's
stock line was "The facts m'am, just the facts". And, as far as possible,
supportable facts. Put yourself in the position of being one of those folks on
your genealogy chart--would you like your bad or foolish decisions to be splayed
out for the millenia?

Just my 2 cents (probably now about $2.54 with inflation).

Regards,
Anita Citron
Hicksville, NY
Searching: NADWORNY anywhere--particularly prior to 1859 Odessa.


Warts & All #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

The one time I included "a wart." my cousin A., whose father was the subject of
the story, refused to speak to me. She called cousins B. and C., and that was the
end of those relationships. At least for a while. I apologized, and resumed all
relationships.

I suggest keeping a separate file that includes those interesting stories about
our horse thieves, children born out of wedlock, family splits, et cetera. The
question about inclusion might be: which living people would be terribly offended,
keeping in mind that it doesn't take much to offend some people.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


Re: Race. Questions 6 and 12. USCensusBureau http://www.census.gov/acs #general

Linda Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Don;
for the 1910 US Census, Population Schedule, the census enumerators were
instructed to record the following in column 6:
W for white.
B for black, of full black blood.
Mu for mulatto for any trace of "black" blood.
Ch for Chinese.
Jp for Japanese.
In for Indian (there is a separate schedule for these individuals).
O for Other. If other is listed then the persons race shall be written in in the
left margin.
You should not see Jewish listed in this column.

In column 12 the nationality of all foreign born individuals was listed. The
Mother tongue was also listed. Those immigrants >from European countries who were
Jewish were identified as either speaking Yiddish, Hebrew or sometimes Jewish. The
same applied to column 13 for the person's father if foreign born and column 14
for the person's mother if foreign born.

For example: in columns 12, 13 and 14 if you see Russia/Hebrew or Russia/Yiddish
or Russia /Jewish it means the person was born in Russia and speaks either Hebrew
or Yiddish as a native tongue. You may also see Ireland/Gaelic, Ireland/English,
Italy/Italian etc....

Linda Altman
Raleigh, NC

For Jews what are the varied ways we might answer the USCensusBureau
http://www.census.gov/acs questions 6 and 12 at
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/2fa3eb5c854878b2


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Include Warts and All #general

Gladys Paulin <paulin@...>
 

If you want a true and accurate family history, everything should be included and
every fact should be documented as to its source.

As long as the source is included, the reader/viewer can than evaluate its
possible accuracy. Oral history is just that. Unless it is corroborated by
research and supporting documentation, it must merely be considered as family
lore, not family fact.

To quote a very good genealogist that I know: "Genealogy without documentation is
mythology."

Enjoy,
Gladys Friedman Paulin, CG
Winter Springs, FL
<Would be interested in hearing opinions on whether to provide only positive
descriptions of our parents and grandparents or to include any negative aspects
i.e. a "warts and all" account of his ancestors. Harold Lewin - Jerusalem>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Should we exclude the warts? #general

ac <anitac47@...>
 

Don't know if you remember the very old TV show "Dragnet". Detective Joe Friday's
stock line was "The facts m'am, just the facts". And, as far as possible,
supportable facts. Put yourself in the position of being one of those folks on
your genealogy chart--would you like your bad or foolish decisions to be splayed
out for the millenia?

Just my 2 cents (probably now about $2.54 with inflation).

Regards,
Anita Citron
Hicksville, NY
Searching: NADWORNY anywhere--particularly prior to 1859 Odessa.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Warts & All #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

The one time I included "a wart." my cousin A., whose father was the subject of
the story, refused to speak to me. She called cousins B. and C., and that was the
end of those relationships. At least for a while. I apologized, and resumed all
relationships.

I suggest keeping a separate file that includes those interesting stories about
our horse thieves, children born out of wedlock, family splits, et cetera. The
question about inclusion might be: which living people would be terribly offended,
keeping in mind that it doesn't take much to offend some people.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Race. Questions 6 and 12. USCensusBureau http://www.census.gov/acs #general

Linda Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Don;
for the 1910 US Census, Population Schedule, the census enumerators were
instructed to record the following in column 6:
W for white.
B for black, of full black blood.
Mu for mulatto for any trace of "black" blood.
Ch for Chinese.
Jp for Japanese.
In for Indian (there is a separate schedule for these individuals).
O for Other. If other is listed then the persons race shall be written in in the
left margin.
You should not see Jewish listed in this column.

In column 12 the nationality of all foreign born individuals was listed. The
Mother tongue was also listed. Those immigrants >from European countries who were
Jewish were identified as either speaking Yiddish, Hebrew or sometimes Jewish. The
same applied to column 13 for the person's father if foreign born and column 14
for the person's mother if foreign born.

For example: in columns 12, 13 and 14 if you see Russia/Hebrew or Russia/Yiddish
or Russia /Jewish it means the person was born in Russia and speaks either Hebrew
or Yiddish as a native tongue. You may also see Ireland/Gaelic, Ireland/English,
Italy/Italian etc....

Linda Altman
Raleigh, NC

For Jews what are the varied ways we might answer the USCensusBureau
http://www.census.gov/acs questions 6 and 12 at
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/2fa3eb5c854878b2


Re: Privacy on the internet #general

David Shaw <dshaw@...>
 

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote:

You can do pretty much the same thing using the printed telephone directory that
you, your parents, and your grandparents (and all predators) have had available
for a century, but nobody thought to worry until the same information got online
so you can see it on a monitor screen.
I don't think the common objection to this is that this information is available.
As you say, this information was available in some form or another for (over) a
century. What has changed is the sheer ease of getting and connecting different
pieces of data.

While even 1 generation ago, a person would have to arrange to get a copy of a
non-local phone book via the library, wait for it to arrive, find an address,
order a map >from somewhere, travel to the town, physically sit in a court records
room to pull information, etc, etc... now can just visit any number of websites
and have the information nicely presented in a few minutes without moving a
muscle.

The bar is dramatically lower than it was a century ago. Information is now, if
you will, wholesale, not retail.

This is a incalculable boon to genealogists, of course.
Unfortunately, it an incalculable boon to other, less harmless, people as well.

David


Re: Should we exclude the warts? #general

גירון
 

Hello,
I believe we should tell all the stories.
Of course there should be a big distinction between stories, facts and gossip.
A 19 year old person can understand the difference . ( and even mention that in
his documentation )
Nava Giron
Isreal


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Privacy on the internet #general

David Shaw <dshaw@...>
 

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote:

You can do pretty much the same thing using the printed telephone directory that
you, your parents, and your grandparents (and all predators) have had available
for a century, but nobody thought to worry until the same information got online
so you can see it on a monitor screen.
I don't think the common objection to this is that this information is available.
As you say, this information was available in some form or another for (over) a
century. What has changed is the sheer ease of getting and connecting different
pieces of data.

While even 1 generation ago, a person would have to arrange to get a copy of a
non-local phone book via the library, wait for it to arrive, find an address,
order a map >from somewhere, travel to the town, physically sit in a court records
room to pull information, etc, etc... now can just visit any number of websites
and have the information nicely presented in a few minutes without moving a
muscle.

The bar is dramatically lower than it was a century ago. Information is now, if
you will, wholesale, not retail.

This is a incalculable boon to genealogists, of course.
Unfortunately, it an incalculable boon to other, less harmless, people as well.

David


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Should we exclude the warts? #general

גירון
 

Hello,
I believe we should tell all the stories.
Of course there should be a big distinction between stories, facts and gossip.
A 19 year old person can understand the difference . ( and even mention that in
his documentation )
Nava Giron
Isreal


November Meeting, JGS of Colorado #general

ANNE FENDRICH <AFENDRICH@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado will meet Sunday, November 6, 1:30
p.m. at B'nai Havurah, 6445 E. Ohio Ave., one block west of Monaco, one block
south of Leetsdale. Terry Lasky will give the main presentation on "Internet
Resources for the Genealogist." A mini-presentation will be given be Myndel Cohen
on the aides created by Stephen Morse.

For further information call:

Anne Fendrich
President, JGS of Colorado
303-759-9824


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen November Meeting, JGS of Colorado #general

ANNE FENDRICH <AFENDRICH@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado will meet Sunday, November 6, 1:30
p.m. at B'nai Havurah, 6445 E. Ohio Ave., one block west of Monaco, one block
south of Leetsdale. Terry Lasky will give the main presentation on "Internet
Resources for the Genealogist." A mini-presentation will be given be Myndel Cohen
on the aides created by Stephen Morse.

For further information call:

Anne Fendrich
President, JGS of Colorado
303-759-9824


JGS of Montreal - next meeting: Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:30 pm #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

The JGS of Montreal, in association with the Jewish Public Library, is pleased to
announce as our guest speaker:

Michael Goldstein
The meeting will be held on
Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:30 pm

Gelber Conference Centre
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carré Cummings

Michael will lecture to us on:
"Connecting >from Afar With Your Family in Israel"
----------
Michael Goldstein, a former Montrealer, is a Jerusalem-based genealogist
specializing in helping North Americans locate and connect with their Israeli
families and tracing Israelis whose testimonies are found in Yad Vashem records.
His presentation will present the how-tos of locating the Israeli family member
and teach how to proceed once you can make the actual contact.
-----------
The next Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshop will be held on Nov. 6th.
------------
For all information on our upcoming meetings &
Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops
JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day:
514-484-0969


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Montreal - next meeting: Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:30 pm #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

The JGS of Montreal, in association with the Jewish Public Library, is pleased to
announce as our guest speaker:

Michael Goldstein
The meeting will be held on
Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:30 pm

Gelber Conference Centre
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carré Cummings

Michael will lecture to us on:
"Connecting >from Afar With Your Family in Israel"
----------
Michael Goldstein, a former Montrealer, is a Jerusalem-based genealogist
specializing in helping North Americans locate and connect with their Israeli
families and tracing Israelis whose testimonies are found in Yad Vashem records.
His presentation will present the how-tos of locating the Israeli family member
and teach how to proceed once you can make the actual contact.
-----------
The next Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshop will be held on Nov. 6th.
------------
For all information on our upcoming meetings &
Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops
JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day:
514-484-0969


Michalek #austria-czech

Pam <pam@...>
 

We're researching the MICHALEK line - Our relatives mostly settled in
Columbia, Illinois and the last known relative I have in the Michalek line
is Antony MICHALEK m to Magdalen SCHRAMM - I have only 2 children listed
(but we know there were more) as Louisa and Joseph - my line goes to Joseph
MICHALEK (Michael/Micheal) m to Cornelia Ellen DILLON - our date of birth
for Joseph is confused - but somewhere between 1850 and 1864 with dod
7-24-1939; their children:
Nell
William
Joseph
Hazel
Mame
John Henry (my grandfather m to Agatha Mary (Edna) Steppig -

Josef Michalek's passport to the US dated 1880 says he was
Resident to: Deutsch-Jaßnick
Outskrirts: Neutischin
Region: Mähren

any connections??

thanks
Pam Frierdich-Staley
Warrenton, MO


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Michalek #austria-czech

Pam <pam@...>
 

We're researching the MICHALEK line - Our relatives mostly settled in
Columbia, Illinois and the last known relative I have in the Michalek line
is Antony MICHALEK m to Magdalen SCHRAMM - I have only 2 children listed
(but we know there were more) as Louisa and Joseph - my line goes to Joseph
MICHALEK (Michael/Micheal) m to Cornelia Ellen DILLON - our date of birth
for Joseph is confused - but somewhere between 1850 and 1864 with dod
7-24-1939; their children:
Nell
William
Joseph
Hazel
Mame
John Henry (my grandfather m to Agatha Mary (Edna) Steppig -

Josef Michalek's passport to the US dated 1880 says he was
Resident to: Deutsch-Jaßnick
Outskrirts: Neutischin
Region: Mähren

any connections??

thanks
Pam Frierdich-Staley
Warrenton, MO