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Re: Privacy on the internet #general

David Shaw <dshaw@...>
 

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote:

You can do pretty much the same thing using the printed telephone directory that
you, your parents, and your grandparents (and all predators) have had available
for a century, but nobody thought to worry until the same information got online
so you can see it on a monitor screen.
I don't think the common objection to this is that this information is available.
As you say, this information was available in some form or another for (over) a
century. What has changed is the sheer ease of getting and connecting different
pieces of data.

While even 1 generation ago, a person would have to arrange to get a copy of a
non-local phone book via the library, wait for it to arrive, find an address,
order a map >from somewhere, travel to the town, physically sit in a court records
room to pull information, etc, etc... now can just visit any number of websites
and have the information nicely presented in a few minutes without moving a
muscle.

The bar is dramatically lower than it was a century ago. Information is now, if
you will, wholesale, not retail.

This is a incalculable boon to genealogists, of course.
Unfortunately, it an incalculable boon to other, less harmless, people as well.

David


Re: Should we exclude the warts? #general

גירון
 

Hello,
I believe we should tell all the stories.
Of course there should be a big distinction between stories, facts and gossip.
A 19 year old person can understand the difference . ( and even mention that in
his documentation )
Nava Giron
Isreal


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Privacy on the internet #general

David Shaw <dshaw@...>
 

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote:

You can do pretty much the same thing using the printed telephone directory that
you, your parents, and your grandparents (and all predators) have had available
for a century, but nobody thought to worry until the same information got online
so you can see it on a monitor screen.
I don't think the common objection to this is that this information is available.
As you say, this information was available in some form or another for (over) a
century. What has changed is the sheer ease of getting and connecting different
pieces of data.

While even 1 generation ago, a person would have to arrange to get a copy of a
non-local phone book via the library, wait for it to arrive, find an address,
order a map >from somewhere, travel to the town, physically sit in a court records
room to pull information, etc, etc... now can just visit any number of websites
and have the information nicely presented in a few minutes without moving a
muscle.

The bar is dramatically lower than it was a century ago. Information is now, if
you will, wholesale, not retail.

This is a incalculable boon to genealogists, of course.
Unfortunately, it an incalculable boon to other, less harmless, people as well.

David


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Should we exclude the warts? #general

גירון
 

Hello,
I believe we should tell all the stories.
Of course there should be a big distinction between stories, facts and gossip.
A 19 year old person can understand the difference . ( and even mention that in
his documentation )
Nava Giron
Isreal


November Meeting, JGS of Colorado #general

ANNE FENDRICH <AFENDRICH@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado will meet Sunday, November 6, 1:30
p.m. at B'nai Havurah, 6445 E. Ohio Ave., one block west of Monaco, one block
south of Leetsdale. Terry Lasky will give the main presentation on "Internet
Resources for the Genealogist." A mini-presentation will be given be Myndel Cohen
on the aides created by Stephen Morse.

For further information call:

Anne Fendrich
President, JGS of Colorado
303-759-9824


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen November Meeting, JGS of Colorado #general

ANNE FENDRICH <AFENDRICH@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado will meet Sunday, November 6, 1:30
p.m. at B'nai Havurah, 6445 E. Ohio Ave., one block west of Monaco, one block
south of Leetsdale. Terry Lasky will give the main presentation on "Internet
Resources for the Genealogist." A mini-presentation will be given be Myndel Cohen
on the aides created by Stephen Morse.

For further information call:

Anne Fendrich
President, JGS of Colorado
303-759-9824


JGS of Montreal - next meeting: Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:30 pm #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

The JGS of Montreal, in association with the Jewish Public Library, is pleased to
announce as our guest speaker:

Michael Goldstein
The meeting will be held on
Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:30 pm

Gelber Conference Centre
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carré Cummings

Michael will lecture to us on:
"Connecting >from Afar With Your Family in Israel"
----------
Michael Goldstein, a former Montrealer, is a Jerusalem-based genealogist
specializing in helping North Americans locate and connect with their Israeli
families and tracing Israelis whose testimonies are found in Yad Vashem records.
His presentation will present the how-tos of locating the Israeli family member
and teach how to proceed once you can make the actual contact.
-----------
The next Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshop will be held on Nov. 6th.
------------
For all information on our upcoming meetings &
Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops
JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day:
514-484-0969


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Montreal - next meeting: Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:30 pm #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

The JGS of Montreal, in association with the Jewish Public Library, is pleased to
announce as our guest speaker:

Michael Goldstein
The meeting will be held on
Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 7:30 pm

Gelber Conference Centre
5151 Cote Ste-Catherine/1 Carré Cummings

Michael will lecture to us on:
"Connecting >from Afar With Your Family in Israel"
----------
Michael Goldstein, a former Montrealer, is a Jerusalem-based genealogist
specializing in helping North Americans locate and connect with their Israeli
families and tracing Israelis whose testimonies are found in Yad Vashem records.
His presentation will present the how-tos of locating the Israeli family member
and teach how to proceed once you can make the actual contact.
-----------
The next Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshop will be held on Nov. 6th.
------------
For all information on our upcoming meetings &
Sunday Morning Family Tree Workshops
JGS of Montreal Hotline - 24 hours a day:
514-484-0969


Michalek #austria-czech

Pam <pam@...>
 

We're researching the MICHALEK line - Our relatives mostly settled in
Columbia, Illinois and the last known relative I have in the Michalek line
is Antony MICHALEK m to Magdalen SCHRAMM - I have only 2 children listed
(but we know there were more) as Louisa and Joseph - my line goes to Joseph
MICHALEK (Michael/Micheal) m to Cornelia Ellen DILLON - our date of birth
for Joseph is confused - but somewhere between 1850 and 1864 with dod
7-24-1939; their children:
Nell
William
Joseph
Hazel
Mame
John Henry (my grandfather m to Agatha Mary (Edna) Steppig -

Josef Michalek's passport to the US dated 1880 says he was
Resident to: Deutsch-Jaßnick
Outskrirts: Neutischin
Region: Mähren

any connections??

thanks
Pam Frierdich-Staley
Warrenton, MO


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Michalek #austria-czech

Pam <pam@...>
 

We're researching the MICHALEK line - Our relatives mostly settled in
Columbia, Illinois and the last known relative I have in the Michalek line
is Antony MICHALEK m to Magdalen SCHRAMM - I have only 2 children listed
(but we know there were more) as Louisa and Joseph - my line goes to Joseph
MICHALEK (Michael/Micheal) m to Cornelia Ellen DILLON - our date of birth
for Joseph is confused - but somewhere between 1850 and 1864 with dod
7-24-1939; their children:
Nell
William
Joseph
Hazel
Mame
John Henry (my grandfather m to Agatha Mary (Edna) Steppig -

Josef Michalek's passport to the US dated 1880 says he was
Resident to: Deutsch-Jaßnick
Outskrirts: Neutischin
Region: Mähren

any connections??

thanks
Pam Frierdich-Staley
Warrenton, MO


artist/gallery owner Julius SINGER #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

According to family letters, one of my distant relatives, Julius SINGER was
professor of art first in Brno, then in Prague, making the move ca. 1910.
Also >from these family letters, I know that his mother was Sidonie nee
MOSCHKOWITZ. I'm not positive Sidonie was born in Bielsko-Biala, Poland
[formerly, Bielitz, Austrian Empire], but that's where her father had a
business which one of her brothers took over. The business passed to a
brother-in-law in turn, and was aryanized out of the Moschkowitz family in
1940. The family connection to my family is Jette Honigmann Moschkowitz, who
was born in Kepno Poland [then Kempen, Posen, Prussia] in 1825, and who died
in Vienna in 1908, where she had been living with her daughter Sidonie. One
of my ancestors was one of Jette's brothers. I know, mostly >from the same
set of family letters, plus inheritance documents >from Vienna, that Jette
had 6 children who lived to adulthood, and that Sidonie was born in 1858.

The women in my family did not generally marry much before their 20th
birthdays, so I would guess that Julius SINGER was not born before 1878. By
the time his family's mentioned in the letters I have, he was already an
adult living in Brno & his mother was living in Vienna, and his grandmother
with her. Thus he was not likely to have been born much after 1885. The
letters mention his profession as professor of art, and that his income >from
selling his art work exceeded that of his "day job".

The next piece of information I have is >from the autobiography of Max
HEITLINGER, an engineer married to one of Sidonie's nieces. Mrs. Nelly
MOSCHKOWITZ HEITLINGER was thus SINGER's first cousin. HEITLINGER managed to
emigrate with his wife and infant son to Australia, where his descendants
still live. In his 1984 autobiography he mentions that his cousin Julius
SINGER, formerly an artist, had also managed to emigrate, had settled in
London, where he made his living with an art gallery, and where HEITLINGER
visited him in the early 1960s. Using google, I've found a few references
to Julius Singer in the provenance of paintings up for auction.

I have also found illustrations of ex libris designed in Prague >from about
1910 to 1918 by a Julius SINGER. -They've come up for auction on online
auction sites. It would be nice to know if he is my relative. I also found
a reference to a museum in Germany holding one of his ex libris. They kindly
emailed me a .jpg, but admitted they had absolutely no biographical
information on SINGER & were quite happy to have scans of my family letters
mentioning him - not the information flow I had envisioned when I emailed. I
have emailed an art museum in Prague with an English web site, but received
no answer.

There is also an article on www.hagalil.com, in German, on the roll of Jews
in the Prague art scene. This mentions a group called "Concordia", of which
a Julius SINGER was a member. I found the author's snail address in Germany
and wrote him - in German - asking for information on SINGER, or references
to information on him, but received no answer.

I could use some advice on how to go about locating SINGER's death record in
London. I know that one can search indices online, but that's a very large
job & it would be nice to have an approximate date to start from.

I also need advice on Jews in the Prague art scene ca 1910-1920, to see if I
can get some biographical information on the SINGER who designed the ex
libris.

Thanks in advance!
Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech artist/gallery owner Julius SINGER #austria-czech

Irene Newhouse <einew@...>
 

According to family letters, one of my distant relatives, Julius SINGER was
professor of art first in Brno, then in Prague, making the move ca. 1910.
Also >from these family letters, I know that his mother was Sidonie nee
MOSCHKOWITZ. I'm not positive Sidonie was born in Bielsko-Biala, Poland
[formerly, Bielitz, Austrian Empire], but that's where her father had a
business which one of her brothers took over. The business passed to a
brother-in-law in turn, and was aryanized out of the Moschkowitz family in
1940. The family connection to my family is Jette Honigmann Moschkowitz, who
was born in Kepno Poland [then Kempen, Posen, Prussia] in 1825, and who died
in Vienna in 1908, where she had been living with her daughter Sidonie. One
of my ancestors was one of Jette's brothers. I know, mostly >from the same
set of family letters, plus inheritance documents >from Vienna, that Jette
had 6 children who lived to adulthood, and that Sidonie was born in 1858.

The women in my family did not generally marry much before their 20th
birthdays, so I would guess that Julius SINGER was not born before 1878. By
the time his family's mentioned in the letters I have, he was already an
adult living in Brno & his mother was living in Vienna, and his grandmother
with her. Thus he was not likely to have been born much after 1885. The
letters mention his profession as professor of art, and that his income >from
selling his art work exceeded that of his "day job".

The next piece of information I have is >from the autobiography of Max
HEITLINGER, an engineer married to one of Sidonie's nieces. Mrs. Nelly
MOSCHKOWITZ HEITLINGER was thus SINGER's first cousin. HEITLINGER managed to
emigrate with his wife and infant son to Australia, where his descendants
still live. In his 1984 autobiography he mentions that his cousin Julius
SINGER, formerly an artist, had also managed to emigrate, had settled in
London, where he made his living with an art gallery, and where HEITLINGER
visited him in the early 1960s. Using google, I've found a few references
to Julius Singer in the provenance of paintings up for auction.

I have also found illustrations of ex libris designed in Prague >from about
1910 to 1918 by a Julius SINGER. -They've come up for auction on online
auction sites. It would be nice to know if he is my relative. I also found
a reference to a museum in Germany holding one of his ex libris. They kindly
emailed me a .jpg, but admitted they had absolutely no biographical
information on SINGER & were quite happy to have scans of my family letters
mentioning him - not the information flow I had envisioned when I emailed. I
have emailed an art museum in Prague with an English web site, but received
no answer.

There is also an article on www.hagalil.com, in German, on the roll of Jews
in the Prague art scene. This mentions a group called "Concordia", of which
a Julius SINGER was a member. I found the author's snail address in Germany
and wrote him - in German - asking for information on SINGER, or references
to information on him, but received no answer.

I could use some advice on how to go about locating SINGER's death record in
London. I know that one can search indices online, but that's a very large
job & it would be nice to have an approximate date to start from.

I also need advice on Jews in the Prague art scene ca 1910-1920, to see if I
can get some biographical information on the SINGER who designed the ex
libris.

Thanks in advance!
Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI


Kolin talk in L.A. Oct. 30 #austria-czech

susiestree@...
 

Sunday 10 AM OCT 30 Michael Heppner--Director of the Memorial Scrolls Trust
in London at the Westminster Synagogue will speak in West Los Angeles at
University Synagogue 11960 Sunset Blvd. He will be speaking about their rescued
Holocaust Torah >from Kolin in Bohemia, an hour east of Prague. This torah scroll
is one of over a 1000 in the United States and 1564 worldwide on permanent loan
from the Scrolls Trust in London. The slide show and talk will last about one
hour. All our welcomed.
Susan Boyer
Los Angeles


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Kolin talk in L.A. Oct. 30 #austria-czech

susiestree@...
 

Sunday 10 AM OCT 30 Michael Heppner--Director of the Memorial Scrolls Trust
in London at the Westminster Synagogue will speak in West Los Angeles at
University Synagogue 11960 Sunset Blvd. He will be speaking about their rescued
Holocaust Torah >from Kolin in Bohemia, an hour east of Prague. This torah scroll
is one of over a 1000 in the United States and 1564 worldwide on permanent loan
from the Scrolls Trust in London. The slide show and talk will last about one
hour. All our welcomed.
Susan Boyer
Los Angeles


German Jewish Emigration to British Columbia #germany

Marcus Poulin <nanophotonic@...>
 

Does anyone know if there actually was a great influx of Germans Jews
to British Columbia?

That might explain more of the story on how my Great-Grandfather actually
got there. Thanks all,

Marcus Poulin nanophotonic@comcast.net

Researching (OBERT & OBERSTEIN; Frankfurt, Germany)


German SIG #Germany German Jewish Emigration to British Columbia #germany

Marcus Poulin <nanophotonic@...>
 

Does anyone know if there actually was a great influx of Germans Jews
to British Columbia?

That might explain more of the story on how my Great-Grandfather actually
got there. Thanks all,

Marcus Poulin nanophotonic@comcast.net

Researching (OBERT & OBERSTEIN; Frankfurt, Germany)


BAUMANN in Bavaria #germany

Elizabeth Levy <levyliz@...>
 

Dear Friends,

A long lost branch of the KISSINGER family (>from the early 1800s) was
uncovered a couple of years ago with the help of the Jewishgen Wurzburg
database. Then a branch within that branch was discovered more recently
here in Israel. It's all very exciting. What's more, two of the cousins
from that branch have been infected by the genealogy bug and are searching
for more information.

We have come into new information and I wanted to share it with you with
hopes that maybe we'll find a connection to someone else out there or more
tips on the family.

Babette KISSINGER (b 1858 in Gnodstadt), daughter of Nathan KISSINGER and
Mathilda LAUBER and sister of Jeanette and Karoline KISSINGER. married Loeb
BAUMANN (born in Adelsberg) circa 1886. This we know.

We found out almost by accident that Loeb BAUMANN is buried in Laudenbach.
We don't know if they lived there. It seems that he died circa 1904.

During the research, my cousin was in touch with a man in Gemunden or
Adelsberg who just happened to mention that Loeb and Babette had two sons -
Hermann and Gustav! We have not seen any documents yet to verify these
facts but perhaps in due course . . . . That is why I write today.

Does anyone know of a BAUMANN family in the general area of Adelsberg,
Gemunden or Laudenbach, Bavaria?

Do the names Hermann and Gustav BAUMANN ring any bells?

Since we don't know when they were born, we can only guestimate. I would
say that they should have been about 40s or 50s during the Holocaust. They
might have had families.

Does anyone have any ideas for us? Thanks for your help. Shana Tova,

Elizabeth Levy Mevassaret Zion, Israel <levyliz@smile.net.il>


German SIG #Germany BAUMANN in Bavaria #germany

Elizabeth Levy <levyliz@...>
 

Dear Friends,

A long lost branch of the KISSINGER family (>from the early 1800s) was
uncovered a couple of years ago with the help of the Jewishgen Wurzburg
database. Then a branch within that branch was discovered more recently
here in Israel. It's all very exciting. What's more, two of the cousins
from that branch have been infected by the genealogy bug and are searching
for more information.

We have come into new information and I wanted to share it with you with
hopes that maybe we'll find a connection to someone else out there or more
tips on the family.

Babette KISSINGER (b 1858 in Gnodstadt), daughter of Nathan KISSINGER and
Mathilda LAUBER and sister of Jeanette and Karoline KISSINGER. married Loeb
BAUMANN (born in Adelsberg) circa 1886. This we know.

We found out almost by accident that Loeb BAUMANN is buried in Laudenbach.
We don't know if they lived there. It seems that he died circa 1904.

During the research, my cousin was in touch with a man in Gemunden or
Adelsberg who just happened to mention that Loeb and Babette had two sons -
Hermann and Gustav! We have not seen any documents yet to verify these
facts but perhaps in due course . . . . That is why I write today.

Does anyone know of a BAUMANN family in the general area of Adelsberg,
Gemunden or Laudenbach, Bavaria?

Do the names Hermann and Gustav BAUMANN ring any bells?

Since we don't know when they were born, we can only guestimate. I would
say that they should have been about 40s or 50s during the Holocaust. They
might have had families.

Does anyone have any ideas for us? Thanks for your help. Shana Tova,

Elizabeth Levy Mevassaret Zion, Israel <levyliz@smile.net.il>


Re. Alex Salm #germany

HHHeilbut@...
 

Dear Members, a relative of Mr. Alex SALM told me, that he died last year (2004)
in Moenchen Gladbach.

The information he gave to Yad Vashem was taken out of the book of
"Dieter Corbach: 6 Uhr ab Messe Koeln-Deutz" Scriba Verlag. Kind regards from

Helga HEILBUT, Bergisch Gladbach, Deutschland


German SIG #Germany Re. Alex Salm #germany

HHHeilbut@...
 

Dear Members, a relative of Mr. Alex SALM told me, that he died last year (2004)
in Moenchen Gladbach.

The information he gave to Yad Vashem was taken out of the book of
"Dieter Corbach: 6 Uhr ab Messe Koeln-Deutz" Scriba Verlag. Kind regards from

Helga HEILBUT, Bergisch Gladbach, Deutschland