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Re: Patterns of moving from one town to another #lithuania

ralph salinger <salinger@...>
 

Dear Kind LITVAKSIG readers,

I have been following this thread with great interest and I would like to
add what little knowledge I have.

I seem to have misplaced the original thread but I believe it referred to
the Suwalki area.

I have been researching this area off and on now for around 25 years ! I
have used the LDS records
kindly researched by Mr. Alex Freiedlander of New York.

My conclusions are as follows:

1] Suwalki was a monastery prior to the Third Division of Poland in 1795
when this area became part of New East Prussia

2] The new Prussian administration of New East Prussia decided to build a
garrison town here.

3] Despite their traditional negative attitudes to Jews the Prussian
administration realized that a Jewish commercial presence in the new
town of Suwalki would be of benefit and thus Jews were encouraged to settle
and build houses of stone. I have seen somewhere
a document that deals with the granting of loans to Jews who were prepared
to build in stone !

4] Many of the original [post 1795] settlers in Suwalki and in the
surrounding areas were young Jews who saw their chance to
improve their condition - certainly some of the Jews came >from the villages
in the Netze Valley [particularly Krojanke and Flatow]

5] These were villages that had become part of West Prussia in 1772 with the
First Partition of Poland, here the Jews had become acquainted
with the Prussian administration as well as being neighbours to German
farmers in this area.

6] Their route was Krojanke/Flatow .....> Lyck........> Lomza.......>
Suwalki and some later moved into Southern Lithuania.

My main sources for these 'theories' are the early LDS records for Suwalki
and Lomza that list my ancestors having come >from Krojanke in Prussia.
Also I have used material in the "new Suwalki Yiskor Book" "Jewish
Community Book Suwalki and Vininity" published by Yair -Abraham Stern
Publishing House 1989 new edition 1999, edited by Yehuda Alaclay.

I shall look forward so very much to any thoughts you may have.

With kindest regards >from Kfar Ruppin, Israel.

Ralph Salinger
salinger@kfar-ruppin.org.il


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Patterns of moving from one town to another #lithuania

ralph salinger <salinger@...>
 

Dear Kind LITVAKSIG readers,

I have been following this thread with great interest and I would like to
add what little knowledge I have.

I seem to have misplaced the original thread but I believe it referred to
the Suwalki area.

I have been researching this area off and on now for around 25 years ! I
have used the LDS records
kindly researched by Mr. Alex Freiedlander of New York.

My conclusions are as follows:

1] Suwalki was a monastery prior to the Third Division of Poland in 1795
when this area became part of New East Prussia

2] The new Prussian administration of New East Prussia decided to build a
garrison town here.

3] Despite their traditional negative attitudes to Jews the Prussian
administration realized that a Jewish commercial presence in the new
town of Suwalki would be of benefit and thus Jews were encouraged to settle
and build houses of stone. I have seen somewhere
a document that deals with the granting of loans to Jews who were prepared
to build in stone !

4] Many of the original [post 1795] settlers in Suwalki and in the
surrounding areas were young Jews who saw their chance to
improve their condition - certainly some of the Jews came >from the villages
in the Netze Valley [particularly Krojanke and Flatow]

5] These were villages that had become part of West Prussia in 1772 with the
First Partition of Poland, here the Jews had become acquainted
with the Prussian administration as well as being neighbours to German
farmers in this area.

6] Their route was Krojanke/Flatow .....> Lyck........> Lomza.......>
Suwalki and some later moved into Southern Lithuania.

My main sources for these 'theories' are the early LDS records for Suwalki
and Lomza that list my ancestors having come >from Krojanke in Prussia.
Also I have used material in the "new Suwalki Yiskor Book" "Jewish
Community Book Suwalki and Vininity" published by Yair -Abraham Stern
Publishing House 1989 new edition 1999, edited by Yehuda Alaclay.

I shall look forward so very much to any thoughts you may have.

With kindest regards >from Kfar Ruppin, Israel.

Ralph Salinger
salinger@kfar-ruppin.org.il


Are two records the same person? #lithuania

Robert Shustack <rshustack@...>
 

In a search of the ALD I found 2 records in the 1875 Tax and Voters Lists,
from the same shtetl, "Girsh SHUSTAK son of Berko" and "Girshko SHUSTAK son
of Berko." Are these records more likely duplicate entries, or two different
people? It seems unlikely there would be 2 different people with the same
name, having different fathers with the same name, in the same village.


Bob Shustack
Montreal, Canada

Researching: BASS, Wien; BRAUDE, Vabalninkas (Lith); GRAF, Wien,
Mikulov (Cz); GROTTE, Mlada Boleslav (Cz); HELLER, Wien, Kopidlno, Licno
(Cz);
KOBLER, Wien; MOSCOVITCH, Russia; REICHNER, Wien; ROMAN,
Wien; SCHIFFMANN, Berlin; SCHLANGER, (Lith); SCHWARZ, Mikulov
(Cz); SEIDEL, Vabalninkas (Lith); SHUSTACK, Shchuchyn (Bel);
STRASS, Mlada Boleslav (Cz); TOCH, Wien; WAGNER, Russia; WINTERSTEIN, Wien.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The entries cited in the above message come >from the
1875 alphabetical list of Jewish men in the Lida District, which is created
from other records. It does contain some duplicate entries, so it is likely
that both entries for Girsh SHUSTAK are for the same person.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Are two records the same person? #lithuania

Robert Shustack <rshustack@...>
 

In a search of the ALD I found 2 records in the 1875 Tax and Voters Lists,
from the same shtetl, "Girsh SHUSTAK son of Berko" and "Girshko SHUSTAK son
of Berko." Are these records more likely duplicate entries, or two different
people? It seems unlikely there would be 2 different people with the same
name, having different fathers with the same name, in the same village.


Bob Shustack
Montreal, Canada

Researching: BASS, Wien; BRAUDE, Vabalninkas (Lith); GRAF, Wien,
Mikulov (Cz); GROTTE, Mlada Boleslav (Cz); HELLER, Wien, Kopidlno, Licno
(Cz);
KOBLER, Wien; MOSCOVITCH, Russia; REICHNER, Wien; ROMAN,
Wien; SCHIFFMANN, Berlin; SCHLANGER, (Lith); SCHWARZ, Mikulov
(Cz); SEIDEL, Vabalninkas (Lith); SHUSTACK, Shchuchyn (Bel);
STRASS, Mlada Boleslav (Cz); TOCH, Wien; WAGNER, Russia; WINTERSTEIN, Wien.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: The entries cited in the above message come >from the
1875 alphabetical list of Jewish men in the Lida District, which is created
from other records. It does contain some duplicate entries, so it is likely
that both entries for Girsh SHUSTAK are for the same person.


Re: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/UP/a/ #ukraine

Joan Rosen <jgrosen@...>
 

Thanks. That's a great web site for the ability to substitute any three
initial letters and get results. Clicking on the name of a town yields
another valuable site.

Joan

Joan Rosen
Elkins Park, outside Philadelphia
jgrosen@verizon.net


From: "Steve Franklin" <cryptozoomorphic@lordbalto.com>

Another good tool is Falling Rain, a weather related mapping site for pilots
that has maps of virtually every town in the world:
http://www.fallingrain.com/world/UP/a/D/a/s/. The link is for all towns in
Ukraine that begin with "Das". The pages for individual towns at this site
give the names and distances (in nautical miles=1.15 miles=1.85 kilometers)
of nearby towns as well as coordinates (including elevation), so it's
possible to tell one town >from another. Alternate and antique spellings are
also given, though not Yiddish per se. The maps themselves are topographic,
so they are not quite as useful as they could be.

Steve Franklin

Moderator comment: I tried this and changed the D/a/s/ to T/r/o to locate
Trochinbrod and found Trokhimbrod, so it might work with some Yiddishe
names. It's worth a try.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/UP/a/ #ukraine

Joan Rosen <jgrosen@...>
 

Thanks. That's a great web site for the ability to substitute any three
initial letters and get results. Clicking on the name of a town yields
another valuable site.

Joan

Joan Rosen
Elkins Park, outside Philadelphia
jgrosen@verizon.net


From: "Steve Franklin" <cryptozoomorphic@lordbalto.com>

Another good tool is Falling Rain, a weather related mapping site for pilots
that has maps of virtually every town in the world:
http://www.fallingrain.com/world/UP/a/D/a/s/. The link is for all towns in
Ukraine that begin with "Das". The pages for individual towns at this site
give the names and distances (in nautical miles=1.15 miles=1.85 kilometers)
of nearby towns as well as coordinates (including elevation), so it's
possible to tell one town >from another. Alternate and antique spellings are
also given, though not Yiddish per se. The maps themselves are topographic,
so they are not quite as useful as they could be.

Steve Franklin

Moderator comment: I tried this and changed the D/a/s/ to T/r/o to locate
Trochinbrod and found Trokhimbrod, so it might work with some Yiddishe
names. It's worth a try.


Re: Race. Questions 6 and 12. USCensusBureau http://www.census.gov/acs #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:36:31 UTC, dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don
Saklad) opined:

I'm looking for what genealogical expertise would lend to a
question that I've not been able to get a good answer for
anywhere else yet...

For Jews what are the varied ways we might answer
the USCensusBureau http://www.census.gov/acs questions 6 and 12
at
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/2fa3eb5c854878b2
---
Sender: Don Saklad < dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu >
The problem is an artificial one. It arises because Western culture
has placed "Jew" in the category of religions, rather than ethnicity.
One is said to be a Jew because one is not a Lutheran or Catholic, for
example. Many Jews in Europe and America have fallen into the same
habit, which is not a surprise. To the question "Are Jews a people or
a religion", a good answer (not original with me) is that Jews are a
people that have a religion. Because many Jews have distanced
themselves >from religious practice, perhaps it would be better today
to say that Jews are a people, and Judaism is their culture, and leave
religion out of the definition -- Judaism is much more than only
religious practice. Question 6 should be answered "White", "Black",
"Guamanian", or even "Other", even by Jews. Notice that the authors of
the question have made it subjective: "...what the person *considers
himslef to be*", even allowing more than one to be chosen, which would
seem to obviate the necessity of being torn between two or more
pssibilities. If one writes in: "Jew", and the Bureau of the Census
thinks this is a religious category and therefore unallowed, then the
Bureau has to solve for itself what to do with the answer.

In Question 12, the authors have recognized that some people would
relate their ethnicity to their cultural or genetic background, and
others to the accident of geography. Personally, I would write in
"Jew". "American" or "Israeli" might be chosen by someone else in my
position. Another might pick two of these, or all three, in any order.
A convert to Judaism, i.e. a person who chose to enter the Jewism
People, has a different set of choices to make. It depends upon
*what the person considers himself to be*. Again, if the Bureau believes
incorrectly that "Jew" is a religious category, that is the Bureau's
problem.

Perhaps it is well to bear in mind that these questions are designed
for the Bureau's own statistical purposes. The Bureau is interested in
how Americans identify themselves, not in what DNA would show, and not
even in how other people (including employees of the Bureau) would
classify them.

I suppose that, if people are really agonizing over Questions 6 and
12, it is because they are having difficulty in defining their
identity in their own minds, not because of anxiety about what the
Bureau will understand >from their answers. That itself is unfortunate,
from the point of view of the individual's understanding of himself
and >from that of the Jewish People.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Race. Questions 6 and 12. USCensusBureau http://www.census.gov/acs #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:36:31 UTC, dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don
Saklad) opined:

I'm looking for what genealogical expertise would lend to a
question that I've not been able to get a good answer for
anywhere else yet...

For Jews what are the varied ways we might answer
the USCensusBureau http://www.census.gov/acs questions 6 and 12
at
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/2fa3eb5c854878b2
---
Sender: Don Saklad < dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu >
The problem is an artificial one. It arises because Western culture
has placed "Jew" in the category of religions, rather than ethnicity.
One is said to be a Jew because one is not a Lutheran or Catholic, for
example. Many Jews in Europe and America have fallen into the same
habit, which is not a surprise. To the question "Are Jews a people or
a religion", a good answer (not original with me) is that Jews are a
people that have a religion. Because many Jews have distanced
themselves >from religious practice, perhaps it would be better today
to say that Jews are a people, and Judaism is their culture, and leave
religion out of the definition -- Judaism is much more than only
religious practice. Question 6 should be answered "White", "Black",
"Guamanian", or even "Other", even by Jews. Notice that the authors of
the question have made it subjective: "...what the person *considers
himslef to be*", even allowing more than one to be chosen, which would
seem to obviate the necessity of being torn between two or more
pssibilities. If one writes in: "Jew", and the Bureau of the Census
thinks this is a religious category and therefore unallowed, then the
Bureau has to solve for itself what to do with the answer.

In Question 12, the authors have recognized that some people would
relate their ethnicity to their cultural or genetic background, and
others to the accident of geography. Personally, I would write in
"Jew". "American" or "Israeli" might be chosen by someone else in my
position. Another might pick two of these, or all three, in any order.
A convert to Judaism, i.e. a person who chose to enter the Jewism
People, has a different set of choices to make. It depends upon
*what the person considers himself to be*. Again, if the Bureau believes
incorrectly that "Jew" is a religious category, that is the Bureau's
problem.

Perhaps it is well to bear in mind that these questions are designed
for the Bureau's own statistical purposes. The Bureau is interested in
how Americans identify themselves, not in what DNA would show, and not
even in how other people (including employees of the Bureau) would
classify them.

I suppose that, if people are really agonizing over Questions 6 and
12, it is because they are having difficulty in defining their
identity in their own minds, not because of anxiety about what the
Bureau will understand >from their answers. That itself is unfortunate,
from the point of view of the individual's understanding of himself
and >from that of the Jewish People.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.

MODERATOR NOTE: Religions V Ethnicity is off-topic to this list. Please restrict
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NYC Census Update #general

Gloria Bailey <GAB123@...>
 

Joel Weintraub asked about maps to the NY census districts in 1905, 1915 and
1925. I don't have the maps he asked about though I do have 2 for Manhattan
(AD 24 and AD 28). I will tell you how I found these, about 20 years ago.
At that time, there was no index and no Internet. I used the films at the
LDS and searched the area around the addresses I had for my family members
to try to find family members. I realized that at the beginning of each
district listing, there was a map of that district right there on the film.
Soon, I began to copy the maps and keep a file of the maps for the districts
where my family lived.

At this point, the only 2 maps I can find are the ones I listed above which
each share opposite sides of East 106th street where my father's family
lived.

I would suggest going back the old fashioned way to the films at the LDS and
try to locate the maps. They are not at the start of the roll of film, as
each roll of film could contain more than one AD and often one district
would be split between 2 rolls of film. I had to crank through the whole
roll of film sometimes to find the maps.

In addition, for the 1905 and 1915 NY census, I found that the LDS main
library in Salt Lake City had a black loosleaf notebook with pages and pages
listing every street and the assembly district contained in them.

I also found that the Polk Directories listed the boundaries of each Ward
and District in the front of each directory. One would have to use that
information with an old map in order to map out the districts in graphic
format.

Gloria Auletta Bailey,
Everett, Washington, USA
Researching OSHEROWITZ, SCHILDKRAUT, GINSBERG/GINSBURG all >from Slutzk,
Minsk, Belarus, and nearby Romanovo, Pagost, and NY city


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Census Update #general

Gloria Bailey <GAB123@...>
 

Joel Weintraub asked about maps to the NY census districts in 1905, 1915 and
1925. I don't have the maps he asked about though I do have 2 for Manhattan
(AD 24 and AD 28). I will tell you how I found these, about 20 years ago.
At that time, there was no index and no Internet. I used the films at the
LDS and searched the area around the addresses I had for my family members
to try to find family members. I realized that at the beginning of each
district listing, there was a map of that district right there on the film.
Soon, I began to copy the maps and keep a file of the maps for the districts
where my family lived.

At this point, the only 2 maps I can find are the ones I listed above which
each share opposite sides of East 106th street where my father's family
lived.

I would suggest going back the old fashioned way to the films at the LDS and
try to locate the maps. They are not at the start of the roll of film, as
each roll of film could contain more than one AD and often one district
would be split between 2 rolls of film. I had to crank through the whole
roll of film sometimes to find the maps.

In addition, for the 1905 and 1915 NY census, I found that the LDS main
library in Salt Lake City had a black loosleaf notebook with pages and pages
listing every street and the assembly district contained in them.

I also found that the Polk Directories listed the boundaries of each Ward
and District in the front of each directory. One would have to use that
information with an old map in order to map out the districts in graphic
format.

Gloria Auletta Bailey,
Everett, Washington, USA
Researching OSHEROWITZ, SCHILDKRAUT, GINSBERG/GINSBURG all >from Slutzk,
Minsk, Belarus, and nearby Romanovo, Pagost, and NY city


Viktor and Gertrude (nee WOLF) KELLERMAN - Vienna to NYC #general

Joseph Lonstein
 

Hi,

I'm searching for the family of Viktor and Gertrude (nee WOLF) KELLERMAN.
They were >from Vienna, and possibly spent the War in Belgium. They may have
had three children. If so, Gertrude and two daughers came to NYC in 1945,
Viktor and a son came later in 1946. Gertrude's parents were David WOLF and
Marie NEUMANN, who are both buried in Vienna.

Thanks for any help,

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, MI

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viktor and Gertrude (nee WOLF) KELLERMAN - Vienna to NYC #general

Joseph Lonstein
 

Hi,

I'm searching for the family of Viktor and Gertrude (nee WOLF) KELLERMAN.
They were >from Vienna, and possibly spent the War in Belgium. They may have
had three children. If so, Gertrude and two daughers came to NYC in 1945,
Viktor and a son came later in 1946. Gertrude's parents were David WOLF and
Marie NEUMANN, who are both buried in Vienna.

Thanks for any help,

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, MI

MODERATOR NOTE: One of JewishGen's most heavily visited sites is the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF) and family connections are being made more
and more frequently. If you have not already done so, please log
onto www.jewishgen.org/jgff and using the ENTER/MODIFY procedure enter
and register all the surnames of interest to your family research. As you
learn about more names and places of origin, they can always be added, but
only **you** can keep your own listings up to date.


Novel and film about search for the shtetl of Trachimbrod (Zofyuvka, Ukraine) #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Joe Hirschfield JOECYP@aol.com asked about=20

the recent movie about someone who is visiting
his ancestral home in Ukraine
As several Genners already responded, the movie is "Everything Is
Illuminated," based on the book by Jonathan Safran Foer.

His grandfather's shtetl, spelled Trachimbrod in the book, is now called
Zofyuvka. Alternative spellings that appear in the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker
are Trokhim Brud, Zofjuwka, and Sofiyevka. The town was located about 20
miles northeast of Lutsk in the Volyn region.

JewishGen's ShtetLinks for Ukraine

www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ukraine.html

link to this off-site page about the town...

http://members.tripod.com/sokolowg/troch.htm

Foer searched for his grandfather's shtetl during his summer vacation from
Princeton; the award-winning novel was published in 2002, when he was about
25. Read more about his search at

www.jonathansafranfoerbooks.com/interview.html

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
rsteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Novel and film about search for the shtetl of Trachimbrod (Zofyuvka, Ukraine) #general

Renee Steinig <rsteinig@...>
 

Joe Hirschfield JOECYP@aol.com asked about=20

the recent movie about someone who is visiting
his ancestral home in Ukraine
As several Genners already responded, the movie is "Everything Is
Illuminated," based on the book by Jonathan Safran Foer.

His grandfather's shtetl, spelled Trachimbrod in the book, is now called
Zofyuvka. Alternative spellings that appear in the JewishGen ShtetlSeeker
are Trokhim Brud, Zofjuwka, and Sofiyevka. The town was located about 20
miles northeast of Lutsk in the Volyn region.

JewishGen's ShtetLinks for Ukraine

www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Ukraine.html

link to this off-site page about the town...

http://members.tripod.com/sokolowg/troch.htm

Foer searched for his grandfather's shtetl during his summer vacation from
Princeton; the award-winning novel was published in 2002, when he was about
25. Read more about his search at

www.jonathansafranfoerbooks.com/interview.html

Renee

Renee Stern Steinig
Dix Hills (Long Island), New York, USA
rsteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us


Movie on Ukraine Visit #general

Marlene Bishow
 

The movie that Joe is seeking information on is called "Everything is
Illuminated." We saw it on Thursday and found it to be a very powerfull
movie. It is about a young man who makes a trip to the Ukraine to find the
woman who his family believes saved his grandfather >from the Nazis. There
are some very odd twists in the plot and you not only willl need to bring
tissues, but your brain must be turned on.

This is an independent film and it is not easy to find a theatre where it is
playing. The movie was release in mid-September and in all of the
Washington, DC area, we found one theatre that was showing it. If you can
find it, go see it on a big screen, but if you cannot find it, wait for it
to be released on DVD and invite your friends over. It is worth seeing.

Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD

Could anyone please inform me of the recent movie about someone who is
visiting his ancestral home in Ukraine. It is not a documentary.

Joe Hirschfield


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Movie on Ukraine Visit #general

Marlene Bishow
 

The movie that Joe is seeking information on is called "Everything is
Illuminated." We saw it on Thursday and found it to be a very powerfull
movie. It is about a young man who makes a trip to the Ukraine to find the
woman who his family believes saved his grandfather >from the Nazis. There
are some very odd twists in the plot and you not only willl need to bring
tissues, but your brain must be turned on.

This is an independent film and it is not easy to find a theatre where it is
playing. The movie was release in mid-September and in all of the
Washington, DC area, we found one theatre that was showing it. If you can
find it, go see it on a big screen, but if you cannot find it, wait for it
to be released on DVD and invite your friends over. It is worth seeing.

Marlene Bishow
Rockville, MD

Could anyone please inform me of the recent movie about someone who is
visiting his ancestral home in Ukraine. It is not a documentary.

Joe Hirschfield


GEDCOM privacy utilities #general

"Robert Rosenbaum" <r.d.r.7.1.3.m.i.i.s.a.l.u.m.l.i.n.k.c.o.m@...>
 

Does anyone know of a program I can use to "privatize" my GEDCOM files in
the same way as the Roots Web system? I.e., removing the given name (or
changing it to "Living"); preserving the family name; removing all vital
dates and places; and preserving the gender and family relationships.

All the privacy utilities ones I've seen go too far for my taste, i.e., they
remove the family name as well as the given names.

Robert D. Rosenbaum rdr713@comcast.net
San Francisco, Cal.


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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GEDCOM privacy utilities #general

"Robert Rosenbaum" <r.d.r.7.1.3.m.i.i.s.a.l.u.m.l.i.n.k.c.o.m@...>
 

Does anyone know of a program I can use to "privatize" my GEDCOM files in
the same way as the Roots Web system? I.e., removing the given name (or
changing it to "Living"); preserving the family name; removing all vital
dates and places; and preserving the gender and family relationships.

All the privacy utilities ones I've seen go too far for my taste, i.e., they
remove the family name as well as the given names.

Robert D. Rosenbaum rdr713@comcast.net
San Francisco, Cal.


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Viktor and Gertrude (nee WOLF) KELLERMAN - Vienna to NYC #austria-czech

Joseph Lonstein
 

Hi,

I'm searching for the family of Viktor and Gertrude (nee WOLF) KELLERMAN.
They were >from Vienna, and possibly spent the War in Belgium. They may have
had three children. If so, Gertrude and two daughers came to NYC in 1945,
Viktor and a son came later in 1946. Gertrude's parents were David WOLF and
Marie NEUMANN, who are both buried in Vienna.

Thanks for any help,

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, MI


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Viktor and Gertrude (nee WOLF) KELLERMAN - Vienna to NYC #austria-czech

Joseph Lonstein
 

Hi,

I'm searching for the family of Viktor and Gertrude (nee WOLF) KELLERMAN.
They were >from Vienna, and possibly spent the War in Belgium. They may have
had three children. If so, Gertrude and two daughers came to NYC in 1945,
Viktor and a son came later in 1946. Gertrude's parents were David WOLF and
Marie NEUMANN, who are both buried in Vienna.

Thanks for any help,

Joe Lonstein
East Lansing, MI