Hi Siggers,

I found the name of my great-grandmother, Zlata ADELSON and two of her
sons, Israel and BenZion on the Voters & Tax List database for Butrimonys.
Under "Type of Record" is listed "Church Records of the Butrimonys Parish"
and there is a record number (#28, 29, 30). Can someone please tell me how
can I get a copy of this church record? It doesn't state whether this is a
tax, voter or census list, although it is noted "21 March 1937" and I'm
aware of a 1937 census. Could it be that?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

Hi Siggers,

I found the name of my great-grandmother, Zlata ADELSON and two of her
sons, Israel and BenZion on the Voters & Tax List database for Butrimonys.
Under "Type of Record" is listed "Church Records of the Butrimonys Parish"
and there is a record number (#28, 29, 30). Can someone please tell me how
can I get a copy of this church record? It doesn't state whether this is a
tax, voter or census list, although it is noted "21 March 1937" and I'm
aware of a 1937 census. Could it be that?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com

Dear Ger siggers and Genners,
A friend saw my previous posting about the KOENIGSBUCH
brothers >from Hamburg and referred me to the following
link of the Bottrop Cemetery in Germany where there is
a grave of Gunter KOENIGSBUCH who died on Feb.
11th,1928.
This is totally new to me.Any help >from Bottrop
researchers is welcome.
http://www.jkg-bottrop.de/jued_friedhof/seite1.htm

Thanks,
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Dear Ger siggers and Genners,
A friend saw my previous posting about the KOENIGSBUCH
brothers >from Hamburg and referred me to the following
link of the Bottrop Cemetery in Germany where there is
a grave of Gunter KOENIGSBUCH who died on Feb.
11th,1928.
This is totally new to me.Any help >from Bottrop
researchers is welcome.
http://www.jkg-bottrop.de/jued_friedhof/seite1.htm

Thanks,
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Dear Genners,

I hope that someone will be so kind as to translate the Hebrew inscription
on a tombstone.
You can see it at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6798
or go to
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp
and find # 6798

Please reply privately: mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk

Thanking you in advance

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk

Dear Genners,

I hope that someone will be so kind as to translate the Hebrew inscription
on a tombstone.
You can see it at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6798
or go to
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/index.asp
and find # 6798

Please reply privately: mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk

Thanking you in advance

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@paikin.dk

Dear friends,

Many Russian, Polish and Ukranian speakers live today
all over the world. Some of them are researchers and
translators. Please, contact me privately for further
references and information.

Irene Kudish
Israel
researching Libkind/Lipkind, Glikin - Belarus, Lithuania

Dear friends,

Many Russian, Polish and Ukranian speakers live today
all over the world. Some of them are researchers and
translators. Please, contact me privately for further
references and information.

Irene Kudish
Israel
researching Libkind/Lipkind, Glikin - Belarus, Lithuania

My friend Freda Ihoff, a recent emigre >from Latvia, is trying to
find her aunt's family. Her mother's sister's name is Malka Katcher
ROSENFELD (born 1894), she immigrated >from Rezekne, Latvia to Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania in the 1920's. Malka had a daughter Miriam. Frieda's mother
Ida Katcher WEXLER was born in 1896. The last time Frieda had contact with
her Aunt Malka was in 1946, she received a package sent to her in Latvia.
After 1946 Stalin would not allow letters or packages >from America.

If anyone has any information about this family please contact me
directly.

Thank you.Sandy Imyak

My friend Freda Ihoff, a recent emigre >from Latvia, is trying to
find her aunt's family. Her mother's sister's name is Malka Katcher
ROSENFELD (born 1894), she immigrated >from Rezekne, Latvia to Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania in the 1920's. Malka had a daughter Miriam. Frieda's mother
Ida Katcher WEXLER was born in 1896. The last time Frieda had contact with
her Aunt Malka was in 1946, she received a package sent to her in Latvia.
After 1946 Stalin would not allow letters or packages >from America.

If anyone has any information about this family please contact me
directly.

Thank you.Sandy Imyak

Hi All,

I am trying to located descendents of Zusman (Sigmond) HAAS B. 1841 and his
wife Leah (Roza) Schwarcz B. 1847 >from Sarospatak, Hungary. They got married
on Dec. 11, 1866. Some or all family members immigrated to the USA. They had
7 children that I know of.

Tini Haas b. 1867 married to Herman FELDMESSNER
Terezia (Rezi) Haas b. 1870 married to Solomon GRUN
Aser Haas 1847 - 1877
Marton Haas b. 1876
Betti Haas 1880 - 1954 married Zvi Herman Hersch SCHWEIGER
Szali Haas b. 1882
Pepi Haas b. 1884

Thank You

Henry Schwartz

MODERATOR NOTE: Hungary as a area of genealogical research is not, strictly
speaking, within the purview of the AustriaCzech SIG., However, as borders
were at times very flexible, we post this message. It might be advantageous
to also subscribe to the Hungarian SIG and post to their List:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

Hi All,

I am trying to located descendents of Zusman (Sigmond) HAAS B. 1841 and his
wife Leah (Roza) Schwarcz B. 1847 >from Sarospatak, Hungary. They got married
on Dec. 11, 1866. Some or all family members immigrated to the USA. They had
7 children that I know of.

Tini Haas b. 1867 married to Herman FELDMESSNER
Terezia (Rezi) Haas b. 1870 married to Solomon GRUN
Aser Haas 1847 - 1877
Marton Haas b. 1876
Betti Haas 1880 - 1954 married Zvi Herman Hersch SCHWEIGER
Szali Haas b. 1882
Pepi Haas b. 1884

Thank You

Henry Schwartz

MODERATOR NOTE: Hungary as a area of genealogical research is not, strictly
speaking, within the purview of the AustriaCzech SIG., However, as borders
were at times very flexible, we post this message. It might be advantageous
to also subscribe to the Hungarian SIG and post to their List:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

David Glasner of Kfar Ruppin, Israel is looking for
any information on the ORNSTEIN family >from Trebic/
Trebitsch, Moravia. Thus, his Trebic gt-grandfather
Herman GLASNER {1845 - 1922} married Paula ORNSTEIN
{1845 - 1930}. Her father was Yaakov David ORNSTEIN
{1813 - 1903}, and in turn his father was Yehuda
ORNSTEIN {1789-1828}.

I note with interest that Randy Schoenberg has Jude
Leb ORNSTEIN on his tree b. 1773 d. 5 Apr 1824 in
Trebitsch. He was married to Sarah JERUS b. 1774
d. 9 Feb 1852, Trebitsch, Age: 78

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randols/PS06/PS06_047.HTM

Peter Lowe [I have his permission to quote], who is
researching JERUSALEM >from Bohemia, sent me a
link to his website, which includes Yehuda ORNSTEIN &
wife Sara JERUSALEM [nb Randy has the name JERUS] -
married 25 Jan 1792. It can be seen on:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/
The link to Yehuda Loeb is here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/jerusalem/g0000047.html#I468

So although Randy and Peter's Yehuda Loeb ORNSTEIN
appears to be the same, he is 16 years older than
David's gtgtgt-grandfather, Yehuda.

Peter asked me if I can add anything. I do have an
ORNSTEIN [a side-branch of a side-branch] family on my
tree but they came >from Budin in Bohemia. I can add
little to details of the ORNSTEIN family from
Trebic/Trebitsch, Moravia >from my own tree, but have
the following information which could be of interest
to our SIG and hopefully may provide more links:

A: My knowledge of Czech has only been gleaned in the
last four years >from this type of research but I
gather [I hope correctly] that Leopold ORNSTEIN was a
leading bicycle-maker in Trebic. You might enjoy this
photo of a couple riding an ORNSTEIN tandem in 1898,
perhaps in Trebic itself:

http://www.volny.cz/honyk/cyklistika/historie-cykl.html
http://filokartie.com/index.php?cla=188

I wonder if this is the same Leopold ORNSTEIN who
starts part of the tree that Peter Lowe sent to me,
which is not yet linked to his website, but comes from
a well-known internet genealogical site:

Leopold Hermann ORNSTEIN b. 02 Feb 1844 in Trebic
d.05 Feb 1902 [or 1905 >from alternative data]
m. 18 June 1869 to Josefine PICK (Pepi).

They had 12 children all born in Trebic. I cannot
resist the thought that 7 tandems would be need for a
family excursion, except sadly, a few of the children
died very young.

1. Sidonie 18 Sep 1870
2. Rosa 29 May 1872 m. 15 Aug 1895 to Josef LEDERER
3. Wilhelm 18 Apr 1873 - 08 Aug 1881
4. Ludwig 11 Sep 1874 - 25 Apr 1908
5. Karl 10 Mar 1876
6. Alfred 07 May 1879 married to Erna nee LOWY - page
of testimony >from his son Leo ORSTEN, {L.A. 1976} also
to his mother Erna. She was born in Znojmo [Znaim] on
2.10.1893 daughter of Wilemina HELLMANN and Leopold
LOWY.
7. Ida 26 Nov 1879
8. Siegfried 06 Dec 1881 - 07 Jul 1882
9. Robert 01 Mar 1883 - 12 Mar 1901
10. Otto 17 May 1884 - 17 May 1886
11. Rachel 12 Aug 1886 d.in Holocaust m. 02 Jun 1910
to Karel [Carl] RANZENHOFER - also a victim [from
Hollabrunn]

You will find a touching testimony >from Elisabeth
Ranzenhofer, the 16 year old gt-granddaughter of
Rachel, in "Letter to Stars", in which she say that
Rachel was one of 16 [not 12] siblings. Carl was a
textile manufacturer in Hollabrunn. His son Erwin,
also died in Izbica, but his brother Walter
[grandfather of Elizabeth] survived in England - he
was encouraged to flee by his mother, Rachel. Many
RANZENHOFER are buried in the cemetery at Hollabrunn:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/towns/Austria/hlabrncem.htm
http://www.lettertothestars.at/browser_normal/abfrage/detail.php?opfer__id=26524

12. Berthold 03 Sep 1888 - 25 Oct 1895

and perhaps four more siblings 13-16 inc, as yet
unnamed.

B: ORNSTEIN-SUBAK
There are also multiple interconnections between the
families ORNSTEIN and SUBAK >from Vienna. Some now live
in Brazil and the USA. SUBAK was a prominent family

from Trebic, where there is even a Subak Street. If

you need a contact with these families, I will be
happy to supply it.

http://www.trebic.cz/unesco/e_stranka.asp?id=24

C: >from our Austria-Czech message archives: Mon, 24
Sep 2001: Introducing the Ancestors of Arthur SPIRA.
Son: Gustav SPIRA. (ca 1890 in Trebic-?); lived in
Budweis, railway official; m. Theresa ORENSTEIN. There
are many links to the family, throughout the world.

D: Vienna/Trebic ORNSTEIN
I have also found and Alfred ORNSTEIN >from Vienna born
on 18.04.1884 in Trebic/Trebitsch deported from
Drancy.
He is probably the Prokurist >from the
Leichtensteinstr. 121. On Yad Vashem we can find him
as married to Anna ADLER, with a daughter, Herta
BLAINE giving testimony >from N. Plainfield, NJ in
1979. Surprisingly, she did not know the name of her
grandparents, denoted with a question mark.

We can also find Ernest ORNSTEIN who was born in
Trebic in 1883, who was a holocaust victim. He was
deported >from France.

There are 62 ORNSTEIN holocaust victims >from Austria.
We remember them all here today. ORNSTEIN was a very
common name in Vienna of the 1930s with over 50
families bearing that name. I suspect some are
descendants of the Trebic ORNSTEIN family. That would
have to be investigated in the archives.

E: Our own Sigger, Jean Lowenstamm's family were
stonemasons in Trebic for generations and he may have
more data re ORNSTEIN graves in Trebic:
http://www.kurrein.com/trebic.htm

Celia Male [U.K.]

David Glasner of Kfar Ruppin, Israel is looking for
any information on the ORNSTEIN family >from Trebic/
Trebitsch, Moravia. Thus, his Trebic gt-grandfather
Herman GLASNER {1845 - 1922} married Paula ORNSTEIN
{1845 - 1930}. Her father was Yaakov David ORNSTEIN
{1813 - 1903}, and in turn his father was Yehuda
ORNSTEIN {1789-1828}.

I note with interest that Randy Schoenberg has Jude
Leb ORNSTEIN on his tree b. 1773 d. 5 Apr 1824 in
Trebitsch. He was married to Sarah JERUS b. 1774
d. 9 Feb 1852, Trebitsch, Age: 78

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~randols/PS06/PS06_047.HTM

Peter Lowe [I have his permission to quote], who is
researching JERUSALEM >from Bohemia, sent me a
link to his website, which includes Yehuda ORNSTEIN &
wife Sara JERUSALEM [nb Randy has the name JERUS] -
married 25 Jan 1792. It can be seen on:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/
The link to Yehuda Loeb is here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pnlowe/jerusalem/g0000047.html#I468

So although Randy and Peter's Yehuda Loeb ORNSTEIN
appears to be the same, he is 16 years older than
David's gtgtgt-grandfather, Yehuda.

Peter asked me if I can add anything. I do have an
ORNSTEIN [a side-branch of a side-branch] family on my
tree but they came >from Budin in Bohemia. I can add
little to details of the ORNSTEIN family from
Trebic/Trebitsch, Moravia >from my own tree, but have
the following information which could be of interest
to our SIG and hopefully may provide more links:

A: My knowledge of Czech has only been gleaned in the
last four years >from this type of research but I
gather [I hope correctly] that Leopold ORNSTEIN was a
leading bicycle-maker in Trebic. You might enjoy this
photo of a couple riding an ORNSTEIN tandem in 1898,
perhaps in Trebic itself:

http://www.volny.cz/honyk/cyklistika/historie-cykl.html
http://filokartie.com/index.php?cla=188

I wonder if this is the same Leopold ORNSTEIN who
starts part of the tree that Peter Lowe sent to me,
which is not yet linked to his website, but comes from
a well-known internet genealogical site:

Leopold Hermann ORNSTEIN b. 02 Feb 1844 in Trebic
d.05 Feb 1902 [or 1905 >from alternative data]
m. 18 June 1869 to Josefine PICK (Pepi).

They had 12 children all born in Trebic. I cannot
resist the thought that 7 tandems would be need for a
family excursion, except sadly, a few of the children
died very young.

1. Sidonie 18 Sep 1870
2. Rosa 29 May 1872 m. 15 Aug 1895 to Josef LEDERER
3. Wilhelm 18 Apr 1873 - 08 Aug 1881
4. Ludwig 11 Sep 1874 - 25 Apr 1908
5. Karl 10 Mar 1876
6. Alfred 07 May 1879 married to Erna nee LOWY - page
of testimony >from his son Leo ORSTEN, {L.A. 1976} also
to his mother Erna. She was born in Znojmo [Znaim] on
2.10.1893 daughter of Wilemina HELLMANN and Leopold
LOWY.
7. Ida 26 Nov 1879
8. Siegfried 06 Dec 1881 - 07 Jul 1882
9. Robert 01 Mar 1883 - 12 Mar 1901
10. Otto 17 May 1884 - 17 May 1886
11. Rachel 12 Aug 1886 d.in Holocaust m. 02 Jun 1910
to Karel [Carl] RANZENHOFER - also a victim [from
Hollabrunn]

You will find a touching testimony >from Elisabeth
Ranzenhofer, the 16 year old gt-granddaughter of
Rachel, in "Letter to Stars", in which she say that
Rachel was one of 16 [not 12] siblings. Carl was a
textile manufacturer in Hollabrunn. His son Erwin,
also died in Izbica, but his brother Walter
[grandfather of Elizabeth] survived in England - he
was encouraged to flee by his mother, Rachel. Many
RANZENHOFER are buried in the cemetery at Hollabrunn:

http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/towns/Austria/hlabrncem.htm
http://www.lettertothestars.at/browser_normal/abfrage/detail.php?opfer__id=26524

12. Berthold 03 Sep 1888 - 25 Oct 1895

and perhaps four more siblings 13-16 inc, as yet
unnamed.

B: ORNSTEIN-SUBAK
There are also multiple interconnections between the
families ORNSTEIN and SUBAK >from Vienna. Some now live
in Brazil and the USA. SUBAK was a prominent family

from Trebic, where there is even a Subak Street. If

you need a contact with these families, I will be
happy to supply it.

http://www.trebic.cz/unesco/e_stranka.asp?id=24

C: >from our Austria-Czech message archives: Mon, 24
Sep 2001: Introducing the Ancestors of Arthur SPIRA.
Son: Gustav SPIRA. (ca 1890 in Trebic-?); lived in
Budweis, railway official; m. Theresa ORENSTEIN. There
are many links to the family, throughout the world.

D: Vienna/Trebic ORNSTEIN
I have also found and Alfred ORNSTEIN >from Vienna born
on 18.04.1884 in Trebic/Trebitsch deported from
Drancy.
He is probably the Prokurist >from the
Leichtensteinstr. 121. On Yad Vashem we can find him
as married to Anna ADLER, with a daughter, Herta
BLAINE giving testimony >from N. Plainfield, NJ in
1979. Surprisingly, she did not know the name of her
grandparents, denoted with a question mark.

We can also find Ernest ORNSTEIN who was born in
Trebic in 1883, who was a holocaust victim. He was
deported >from France.

There are 62 ORNSTEIN holocaust victims >from Austria.
We remember them all here today. ORNSTEIN was a very
common name in Vienna of the 1930s with over 50
families bearing that name. I suspect some are
descendants of the Trebic ORNSTEIN family. That would
have to be investigated in the archives.

E: Our own Sigger, Jean Lowenstamm's family were
stonemasons in Trebic for generations and he may have
more data re ORNSTEIN graves in Trebic:
http://www.kurrein.com/trebic.htm

Celia Male [U.K.]

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who has knowledge of a SHIRNOVICH
family that lived in Leeds (UK) in the mid 1890s (and possibly later).

Please respond to me direct on alancomm@netmedia,net.il.

Many thanks

Abraham Goldberg
Jerusalem

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who has knowledge of a SHIRNOVICH
family that lived in Leeds (UK) in the mid 1890s (and possibly later).

Please respond to me direct on alancomm@netmedia,net.il.

Many thanks

Abraham Goldberg
Jerusalem

I'm trying to identify family members in a 1947 photo. The table includes
Isidore HARRIS as the senior family member. It likely includes Murray &
Charlotte HARRIS, Rebecca SIMON, Rose SAUNDERS and Eva OUZIEL, but I cannot
identify them. I would like to make contact with these people or their
descendents in hopes that they can help identify them and to exchange
family information.

Please contact me privately and I will forward a copy of the photo. Thanks
in advance.
David Harris
Silver Spring, MD
dorsharris@verizon.net

I have a question on the name of the town of residence in the Warsawa
Province when my grandfather received an "Internal" Paszport in 1890. The
rest of the document has been ably translated earlier by a very helpful
genner. The snippet of Russian handwriting is posted to Viewmate and is
designated as file # VM 6810. Please reply in private.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate


Searching: HECHT - Rzgow, Tuszyn; Gabin; Warsaw; Glasgow.

I'm trying to identify family members in a 1947 photo. The table includes
Isidore HARRIS as the senior family member. It likely includes Murray &
Charlotte HARRIS, Rebecca SIMON, Rose SAUNDERS and Eva OUZIEL, but I cannot
identify them. I would like to make contact with these people or their
descendents in hopes that they can help identify them and to exchange
family information.

Please contact me privately and I will forward a copy of the photo. Thanks
in advance.
David Harris
Silver Spring, MD
dorsharris@verizon.net

I have a question on the name of the town of residence in the Warsawa
Province when my grandfather received an "Internal" Paszport in 1890. The
rest of the document has been ably translated earlier by a very helpful
genner. The snippet of Russian handwriting is posted to Viewmate and is
designated as file # VM 6810. Please reply in private.
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate


Searching: HECHT - Rzgow, Tuszyn; Gabin; Warsaw; Glasgow.