Dear Genners:

Does anyone out there have any connection to the village of Horozanna Wielka near
Komarno (Galicia)? We already know where it is located; does anyone have family

from there?

Many thanks for any leads,

Yale J. Reisner & Anna Przybyszewska Drozd
The Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy Project
at the Jewish Historical Institute of Poland (Warsaw)
<laudergen@jewish.org.pl>

Recent inquiries about the "correct" spellings of surnames brought forth the
suggestion to use Soundex (which applies a numerical value to various consonants
or groups of consonants.) There is only one drawback -- you must start with a
designated letter. Hence, there are different Soundex numbers for KRAVITZ versus
CRAVITZ, for example, since they start with a different letter of the alphabet. My
advice is to try both. Also, remember that pronunciation >from the Old Country
could produce a name that was spelled with a variety of initial consonants in
English. "Creative" spelling attempts often produce success!

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia

Dear Genners:

Does anyone out there have any connection to the village of Horozanna Wielka near
Komarno (Galicia)? We already know where it is located; does anyone have family

from there?

Many thanks for any leads,

Yale J. Reisner & Anna Przybyszewska Drozd
The Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy Project
at the Jewish Historical Institute of Poland (Warsaw)
<laudergen@jewish.org.pl>

Recent inquiries about the "correct" spellings of surnames brought forth the
suggestion to use Soundex (which applies a numerical value to various consonants
or groups of consonants.) There is only one drawback -- you must start with a
designated letter. Hence, there are different Soundex numbers for KRAVITZ versus
CRAVITZ, for example, since they start with a different letter of the alphabet. My
advice is to try both. Also, remember that pronunciation >from the Old Country
could produce a name that was spelled with a variety of initial consonants in
English. "Creative" spelling attempts often produce success!

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia

"Doug Mason" <dmason@alphalink.com.au> wrote

If someone in Australia raises "Privacy Legislation" as a reason for not
releasing information, it always pays to obtain a legal ruling >from the Privacy
Commissioner (privacy@privacy.gov.au).

I would suggest that before people contact the Commissioner it might be worth
looking at their website http://www.privacy.gov.au/. Presumably it contains
guidelines as to activities, scope etc.

As someone who has worked in the related area of Freedom of Information in the UK,
and I can only speak >from my knowledge of the Data Protection Act in the UK, the
UK Act relates to the protection of the data subject's rights and privacy, and the
right of access to data held on themselves by organisations.

What is being talked about her is the access to information held about Third
Parties. There is naturally a distinction between living third parties (comparable
is the deletion of dates of living people in the FTJP) and those no longer alive.

Presumably an Australian Family History Group must be able to give guidance on
this without suggesting that every person who has a problem with obtained family
information go to the Australian Privacy Commissioner.

Whilst I am sure that these issues might be important for the complainant, I would
suggest that people think long and hard before going down this route. After all
the best way of bringing the operation of a well-intentioned Act to a halt is by
the load of requests that are made.
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

Check New Jersey, there is one there.
Steve


JOECYP@aol.com wrote:

"Thank you" to everyone who has helped me better understand the context of the
Passenger Lists ("Manifests"). The following is my current understanding. Please
send me corrections and additions.

The Lists were written by the shipping company at the place of departure. I was
told the shipping company was given the details for a Passenger List by the Agent
who ordered the ticket. An Agent might be a professional or a relative. Some
Agents might have known how things had to be written to make the passenger
acceptable to an Immigration official. Just like a student at school who might
write an answer in an exam that will get good marks >from a teacher.

I believe errors on the Lists also happened while information was copied on to a
List >from the written information provided by an Agent.

I was told shipping companies were responsible for the return journey of a
passenger who was refused entry into the US. If this was so, shipping companies
would have a vested interest in presenting information so that it was accepted by
an Immigration official.

Even if a passenger knew something was not exactly correct, they might not have
dared say anything. They simply wanted to enter the US, and if an incorrect entry
allowed this to happen, they would not mind. Given their lifelong experience with
authoritarian regimes, intending immigrants would hardly argue with a US
government representative.

"My" passenger, who travelled in 1920, could not read nor write her own native
language, let alone English. So how could she recognise or correct any errors in
her entry?

The shipping company and the passenger were interested in their current situation.
The Lists were produced by them, for them. They did not produce the Lists for
their descendants or for future genealogists.

The Passenger Lists are vitally important. They provide information that might
otherwise not be available to a modern genealogist. Recognising the various
factors at play in a List's creation helps us understand and accommodate any
imperfections. Knowing the possible sources of errors helps us make better use of
the Lists.

BTW. "My" passenger travelled on the "Baltic" which, along with its sister ships
the "Celtic", "Cedric" and "Adriatic", had Passenger Lists that were typed, not
handwritten. These ships belonged to the White Star Line, which was taken over by
Cunard. I wondered if the White Star Line archives are still available, but my
on-line search has run into a brick wall.

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Victoria

"Doug Mason" <dmason@alphalink.com.au> wrote

If someone in Australia raises "Privacy Legislation" as a reason for not
releasing information, it always pays to obtain a legal ruling >from the Privacy
Commissioner (privacy@privacy.gov.au).

I would suggest that before people contact the Commissioner it might be worth
looking at their website http://www.privacy.gov.au/. Presumably it contains
guidelines as to activities, scope etc.

As someone who has worked in the related area of Freedom of Information in the UK,
and I can only speak >from my knowledge of the Data Protection Act in the UK, the
UK Act relates to the protection of the data subject's rights and privacy, and the
right of access to data held on themselves by organisations.

What is being talked about her is the access to information held about Third
Parties. There is naturally a distinction between living third parties (comparable
is the deletion of dates of living people in the FTJP) and those no longer alive.

Presumably an Australian Family History Group must be able to give guidance on
this without suggesting that every person who has a problem with obtained family
information go to the Australian Privacy Commissioner.

Whilst I am sure that these issues might be important for the complainant, I would
suggest that people think long and hard before going down this route. After all
the best way of bringing the operation of a well-intentioned Act to a halt is by
the load of requests that are made.
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

Check New Jersey, there is one there.
Steve


JOECYP@aol.com wrote:

"Thank you" to everyone who has helped me better understand the context of the
Passenger Lists ("Manifests"). The following is my current understanding. Please
send me corrections and additions.

The Lists were written by the shipping company at the place of departure. I was
told the shipping company was given the details for a Passenger List by the Agent
who ordered the ticket. An Agent might be a professional or a relative. Some
Agents might have known how things had to be written to make the passenger
acceptable to an Immigration official. Just like a student at school who might
write an answer in an exam that will get good marks >from a teacher.

I believe errors on the Lists also happened while information was copied on to a
List >from the written information provided by an Agent.

I was told shipping companies were responsible for the return journey of a
passenger who was refused entry into the US. If this was so, shipping companies
would have a vested interest in presenting information so that it was accepted by
an Immigration official.

Even if a passenger knew something was not exactly correct, they might not have
dared say anything. They simply wanted to enter the US, and if an incorrect entry
allowed this to happen, they would not mind. Given their lifelong experience with
authoritarian regimes, intending immigrants would hardly argue with a US
government representative.

"My" passenger, who travelled in 1920, could not read nor write her own native
language, let alone English. So how could she recognise or correct any errors in
her entry?

The shipping company and the passenger were interested in their current situation.
The Lists were produced by them, for them. They did not produce the Lists for
their descendants or for future genealogists.

The Passenger Lists are vitally important. They provide information that might
otherwise not be available to a modern genealogist. Recognising the various
factors at play in a List's creation helps us understand and accommodate any
imperfections. Knowing the possible sources of errors helps us make better use of
the Lists.

BTW. "My" passenger travelled on the "Baltic" which, along with its sister ships
the "Celtic", "Cedric" and "Adriatic", had Passenger Lists that were typed, not
handwritten. These ships belonged to the White Star Line, which was taken over by
Cunard. I wondered if the White Star Line archives are still available, but my
on-line search has run into a brick wall.

Doug Mason
Melbourne
Victoria

I am trying to find information on my grandmother family. Her name was
Anna Resnick, married to Peter Krug. She said she was >from Russia, but
on the census papers I could find, it says they are >from Poland. Names
were Bella Riveka and Louis B. Resnick. One relative said they went

from Russia to England and then came over. Is it possible they did not

check in at a port of entry? Thank you for any information.

Debora Steckert dsteckert@sbcglobal.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately

I am trying to find information on my grandmother family. Her name was
Anna Resnick, married to Peter Krug. She said she was >from Russia, but
on the census papers I could find, it says they are >from Poland. Names
were Bella Riveka and Louis B. Resnick. One relative said they went

from Russia to England and then came over. Is it possible they did not

check in at a port of entry? Thank you for any information.

Debora Steckert dsteckert@sbcglobal.net

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado will join the Rocky Mountain Jewish
Historical Society and Beck Archives, JCRS Isaac Solomon Historic Synagogue
Foundation and students >from the Rocky Mountain College of Art and Design in
attending a program entitled "Take a Step Back in Time" on the history of the
Jewish Consumptive Relief Society.

Included in the event will be a tour of the JCRS campus and the Isaac Solomon
Synagogue. The program begins at 1:30 p.m. on Sunday, September 11th, at the
Rocky Mountain College of Art and Design, 1600 Pierce St. (North of Colfax and
Pierce), Mary Harris Auditorium. RSVP to the Rocky Mountain Historical Society,
303-871-3016. The JGS of Colorado has been entering data on the patients of the
JCRS into the computer, and over 20 years of data are now available on the Beck
Archives website.

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Colorado will join the Rocky Mountain Jewish
Historical Society and Beck Archives, JCRS Isaac Solomon Historic Synagogue
Foundation and students >from the Rocky Mountain College of Art and Design in
attending a program entitled "Take a Step Back in Time" on the history of the
Jewish Consumptive Relief Society.

Included in the event will be a tour of the JCRS campus and the Isaac Solomon
Synagogue. The program begins at 1:30 p.m. on Sunday, September 11th, at the
Rocky Mountain College of Art and Design, 1600 Pierce St. (North of Colfax and
Pierce), Mary Harris Auditorium. RSVP to the Rocky Mountain Historical Society,
303-871-3016. The JGS of Colorado has been entering data on the patients of the
JCRS into the computer, and over 20 years of data are now available on the Beck
Archives website.

For those looking for missing relatives and friends >from New Orleans, a contact
list for displaced members of the New Orleans Jewish community appears on the
website of the Jewish Federation of Greater New Orleans at:

<http://www.jewishnola.com/content_display.html?ArticleID=161865>;.

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota

For those looking for missing relatives and friends >from New Orleans, a contact
list for displaced members of the New Orleans Jewish community appears on the
website of the Jewish Federation of Greater New Orleans at:

<http://www.jewishnola.com/content_display.html?ArticleID=161865>;.

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota

I wish to make contact with families who are carriers of the genetic
disease known as Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH), especially
Families whose origins are in Central and Eastern Europe.

Please contact me offline.

Thank you

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching:q SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ, SYNAJ, etc.)-
Austria, Hungary, Turkey, Rest of World; PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov),
Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie;
Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie;Poland; WOLARSKY
-Mlawa; Poland; JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna; (von)
KEMENY - Austria/Hungary; SCHMITZ =96 Austria/Slovakia;

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: The request above is not part of any research
program sponsored by JewishGen. It is a personal request of the
message's sender.]
It does not

I wish to make contact with families who are carriers of the genetic
disease known as Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH), especially
Families whose origins are in Central and Eastern Europe.

Please contact me offline.

Thank you

Henry Sinai
Raanana, Israel

Researching:q SINAI and variations (SZINAI, SINAJ, SYNAJ, etc.)-
Austria, Hungary, Turkey, Rest of World; PARNES- Lemberg (Lvov),
Brody, Berlin; GOLDENBERG- Brody, Berlin; MOSZKOWSKI- Opole Lubelskie;
Leszniow, Rzeszow, Poland; SOBEL- Opole Lubelskie;Poland; WOLARSKY
-Mlawa; Poland; JELLINEK - Bratislava (Pressburg), Vienna; (von)
KEMENY - Austria/Hungary; SCHMITZ =96 Austria/Slovakia;

[MODERATOR'S NOTE: The request above is not part of any research
program sponsored by JewishGen. It is a personal request of the
message's sender.]
It does not

Austria-Czech SIG digest schrieb:

Dominique wrote:

Valerie's mother is Julie STEINER, b.1859 Weitersfeld, Lower Austria. Julie
was deported >from Vienna on 09.10.1942 to Theresienstadt, where she died 4
weeks later. Julie has several siblings, including Hugo, Katie and Irma.
Irma was apparently deported, but survived. Hugo was apparently not
deported. Another, unknown sibling and his /her family managed to escape

from Austria.

Dear Dominique,

the Memorial Book for the deportees to the Baltic states has two entries
for the names you mention - could it be possible that Hugo and Irma
STEINER tried to flee to Prague? Two people with these names where
deported to Theresienstadt and >from there taken to Riga and Raasiku/Reval.

Just in case there is connection here are the listings:

STEINER, Irma, born 02 Jun 1879, deported >from Theresienstadt to Riga on
20 Aug 1942, last address Prag,
I think there were survivors >from Riga.

STEINER , Hugo, born 14 Aug 1896, deported >from Theresienstadt to
Raasiku/Reval on 01 Sep 1942, last address Prag

with kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany

Austria-Czech SIG digest schrieb:

Dominique wrote:

Valerie's mother is Julie STEINER, b.1859 Weitersfeld, Lower Austria. Julie
was deported >from Vienna on 09.10.1942 to Theresienstadt, where she died 4
weeks later. Julie has several siblings, including Hugo, Katie and Irma.
Irma was apparently deported, but survived. Hugo was apparently not
deported. Another, unknown sibling and his /her family managed to escape

from Austria.

Dear Dominique,

the Memorial Book for the deportees to the Baltic states has two entries
for the names you mention - could it be possible that Hugo and Irma
STEINER tried to flee to Prague? Two people with these names where
deported to Theresienstadt and >from there taken to Riga and Raasiku/Reval.

Just in case there is connection here are the listings:

STEINER, Irma, born 02 Jun 1879, deported >from Theresienstadt to Riga on
20 Aug 1942, last address Prag,
I think there were survivors >from Riga.

STEINER , Hugo, born 14 Aug 1896, deported >from Theresienstadt to
Raasiku/Reval on 01 Sep 1942, last address Prag

with kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany