Until about the 15th a single Hebrew forename was the accepted practice
amongst Ashkenazi Jewry. I have often wondered why and how the current
custom of double and multiple Hebrew forenames arose.

Recently I came across a passage in the talmudic commentary "Yam shell
shlomo" (Gittin 4:26)for which I will now give a rough translation. This
piece is of interest to genealogists on several counts. This Hebrew work is
by the 16th Century Rabbi and Rosh Yeshiva, R' Shlomo Luria of Lublin, aka
as the Mahrshal, one of whose reponsa (No. 29)is a keystone in rabbinical
genealogy.

Quote: ".... I heard >from Moshe Lorch that when he got divorced (and needed
to write a Get with the correct names) he appeared before the Mahril (famous
15th Century halachist). He (Lorch) told the Mahril that his father was
nicknamed Zalman, but had the Hebrew name of Shemariah. The Mahril was
puzzled, since Zalman and Shemariah don't normally go together. "Maybe your
father had another name such as Shlomo or Yekusiel, which often go together
with the nickname Zalman?"

The Mahril arranged for two researchers to travel to the cemetery in Magenca
(Mainz) where Lorch's ancestors were buried. They discovered the gravestone
of Lorch's father's father's father. This also bore the names of Zalman and
Shemaria. Satisfied with the evidence, the Mahril arranged the Get.

The Mahril was asked why does a single Jewish nickname (Shem Ha'Laaz)often
have several Hebrew counterparts? For instance for the nickname Zalman, one
finds Yekusiel, Meshulam, Shemaria etc? He answered as follows. "Certainly,
strictly speaking, there is a one to one relationship between nicknames and
Hebrew names. But sometimes a man and his wife disagree about naming a
child; each one wanting a name >from their own ancestry. Occasionally, a
compromise is reached by one side getting the Hebrew name and the other the
nickname.

The Mahrshal adds the following. "And I, the small one, know that my
grandfather (z'kayni), R' Menachem Tzion, whose father was called Meir, and
whose father-in-law was called Uri, had a son and the same argument arose.

The solution was to call the baby Schneur, meaning "two lights", since both
Meir and Uri are connected with light...."

Incidentally, the earlier and later sections surrounding this excerpt from
the Yam shel Shlomo are a mine of information about Hebrew nicknames.

Leslie Reich
Manchester

Until about the 15th a single Hebrew forename was the accepted practice
amongst Ashkenazi Jewry. I have often wondered why and how the current
custom of double and multiple Hebrew forenames arose.

Recently I came across a passage in the talmudic commentary "Yam shell
shlomo" (Gittin 4:26)for which I will now give a rough translation. This
piece is of interest to genealogists on several counts. This Hebrew work is
by the 16th Century Rabbi and Rosh Yeshiva, R' Shlomo Luria of Lublin, aka
as the Mahrshal, one of whose reponsa (No. 29)is a keystone in rabbinical
genealogy.

Quote: ".... I heard >from Moshe Lorch that when he got divorced (and needed
to write a Get with the correct names) he appeared before the Mahril (famous
15th Century halachist). He (Lorch) told the Mahril that his father was
nicknamed Zalman, but had the Hebrew name of Shemariah. The Mahril was
puzzled, since Zalman and Shemariah don't normally go together. "Maybe your
father had another name such as Shlomo or Yekusiel, which often go together
with the nickname Zalman?"

The Mahril arranged for two researchers to travel to the cemetery in Magenca
(Mainz) where Lorch's ancestors were buried. They discovered the gravestone
of Lorch's father's father's father. This also bore the names of Zalman and
Shemaria. Satisfied with the evidence, the Mahril arranged the Get.

The Mahril was asked why does a single Jewish nickname (Shem Ha'Laaz)often
have several Hebrew counterparts? For instance for the nickname Zalman, one
finds Yekusiel, Meshulam, Shemaria etc? He answered as follows. "Certainly,
strictly speaking, there is a one to one relationship between nicknames and
Hebrew names. But sometimes a man and his wife disagree about naming a
child; each one wanting a name >from their own ancestry. Occasionally, a
compromise is reached by one side getting the Hebrew name and the other the
nickname.

The Mahrshal adds the following. "And I, the small one, know that my
grandfather (z'kayni), R' Menachem Tzion, whose father was called Meir, and
whose father-in-law was called Uri, had a son and the same argument arose.

The solution was to call the baby Schneur, meaning "two lights", since both
Meir and Uri are connected with light...."

Incidentally, the earlier and later sections surrounding this excerpt from
the Yam shel Shlomo are a mine of information about Hebrew nicknames.

Leslie Reich
Manchester

Hi All,

I am trying to located descendents of Zusman (Sigmond) HAAS b. 1841 and his
wife Leah (Roza) SCHWARCZ b. 1847 >from Sarospatak, Hungary. They got married
on Dec. 11, 1866. Some or all family members immigrated to the USA. They had
7 children that I know of.

Tini Haas b. 1867 married to Herman FELDMESSNER
Terezia (Rezi) Haas b. 1870 married to Solomon GRUN
Aser Haas 1847 - 1877
Marton Haas b. 1876
Betti Haas 1880 - 1954 married Zvi Herman Hersch SCHWEIGER
Szali Haas b. 1882
Pepi Haas b. 1884

Thank You

Henry Schwartz

Hi All,

I am trying to located descendents of Zusman (Sigmond) HAAS b. 1841 and his
wife Leah (Roza) SCHWARCZ b. 1847 >from Sarospatak, Hungary. They got married
on Dec. 11, 1866. Some or all family members immigrated to the USA. They had
7 children that I know of.

Tini Haas b. 1867 married to Herman FELDMESSNER
Terezia (Rezi) Haas b. 1870 married to Solomon GRUN
Aser Haas 1847 - 1877
Marton Haas b. 1876
Betti Haas 1880 - 1954 married Zvi Herman Hersch SCHWEIGER
Szali Haas b. 1882
Pepi Haas b. 1884

Thank You

Henry Schwartz

Sefer Vishnevets, the Yizkor Book for Vishnevets (now in Ukraine,
formerly in Poland) has a hand-drawn street map circa 1941-1942. The
legend seems to be in Hebrew and Yiddish. We have translated the Hebrew
parts of the legend, but we are having difficulty with 4 of the legend
items. They are numbers 17, 19, 20, and 22.

If you think you can help, please take a look at ViewMate Image 6800.
Viewmate is at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Select "Enter Viewing Section" and scroll down to image 6800. You also
can view the legend directly by pointing your browser to:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6800

If you can help, please respond directly to me, not to the list.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Ron Doctor
Co-Coordinator, Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP
Co-Coordinator, Vishnevets Yizkor Book Translation Project

Sefer Vishnevets, the Yizkor Book for Vishnevets (now in Ukraine,
formerly in Poland) has a hand-drawn street map circa 1941-1942. The
legend seems to be in Hebrew and Yiddish. We have translated the Hebrew
parts of the legend, but we are having difficulty with 4 of the legend
items. They are numbers 17, 19, 20, and 22.

If you think you can help, please take a look at ViewMate Image 6800.
Viewmate is at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Select "Enter Viewing Section" and scroll down to image 6800. You also
can view the legend directly by pointing your browser to:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6800

If you can help, please respond directly to me, not to the list.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Ron Doctor
Co-Coordinator, Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP
Co-Coordinator, Vishnevets Yizkor Book Translation Project

The brother of my grandfather passed away in 1935 in Richmond Hill, NY.
What are the most likely cemetaries in the area that he would be interned?
Since I am not a New Yorker, I would appreciate your advice.

Dennis Allon, Jerusalem
dennisj@netvision.net.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Try the International Jewish Cemetery Project at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/

The brother of my grandfather passed away in 1935 in Richmond Hill, NY.
What are the most likely cemetaries in the area that he would be interned?
Since I am not a New Yorker, I would appreciate your advice.

Dennis Allon, Jerusalem
dennisj@netvision.net.il

MODERATOR NOTE: Try the International Jewish Cemetery Project at
http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/

Well, given that they were orthodox, they might have
kept to a strict interpretation of Jewish law which
keeps the genders apart possibly even after death.

Yehuda Herskowitz

--- Howie Axelrod <highwind1@comcast.net> wrote:

Well, given that they were orthodox, they might have
kept to a strict interpretation of Jewish law which
keeps the genders apart possibly even after death.

Yehuda Herskowitz

--- Howie Axelrod <highwind1@comcast.net> wrote:

Sefer Vishnevets, the Yizkor Book for Vishnevets (now in Ukraine,
formerly in Poland) has a hand-drawn street map circa 1941-1942. The
legend seems to be in Hebrew and Yiddish. We have translated the Hebrew
parts of the legend, but we are having difficulty with 4 of the legend
items. They are numbers 17, 19, 20, and 22.

If you think you can help, please take a look at ViewMate Image 6800.
Viewmate is at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Select "Enter Viewing Section" and scroll down to image 6800. You also
can view the legend directly by pointing your browser to:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6800

If you can help, please respond directly to me, not to the list.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Ron Doctor
Co-Coordinator, Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP
Co-Coordinator, Vishnevets Yizkor Book Translation Project

Sefer Vishnevets, the Yizkor Book for Vishnevets (now in Ukraine,
formerly in Poland) has a hand-drawn street map circa 1941-1942. The
legend seems to be in Hebrew and Yiddish. We have translated the Hebrew
parts of the legend, but we are having difficulty with 4 of the legend
items. They are numbers 17, 19, 20, and 22.

If you think you can help, please take a look at ViewMate Image 6800.
Viewmate is at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html

Select "Enter Viewing Section" and scroll down to image 6800. You also
can view the legend directly by pointing your browser to:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6800

If you can help, please respond directly to me, not to the list.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Ron Doctor
Co-Coordinator, Kremenets Shtetl CO-OP
Co-Coordinator, Vishnevets Yizkor Book Translation Project

Anyone who has ever used a public library and reserved a book will tell you
that you can go to any public library and ask them to do a search. They will
first check their own library, then the local area, finally all public
libraries in the UK. Via a central point, I think in Preston, a located book
may be reserved for a small fee.

David Kravitz

Anyone who has ever used a public library and reserved a book will tell you
that you can go to any public library and ask them to do a search. They will
first check their own library, then the local area, finally all public
libraries in the UK. Via a central point, I think in Preston, a located book
may be reserved for a small fee.

David Kravitz

The German Jewish Weekly "Juedische Allgemeine" has two articles (page
1 and page 17) on the the Berlin Weissensee Cemetery in its issue of
September 1, 2005. On page 17 the headline says: "Rettet den Friedhof!"
(Save the Cemetery!).
The cemetery is described as the largest Jewish cemetery in Europe with
115.000 graves - but since there are not enough funds for its
up-keeping, the deterioration is advancing at a high rate.
The article says, estimates say that about 40 million Euros would be
necessary to save it - which is far beyond the means of Berlin Jewish
Community (which would be theoretically responsible for it) or even the
Berlin City Administration.
One strategy seems to consist of having the cemetery recognized as
"World Cultural Heritage" in the hope that this would mean funds for its
restoration >from the Federal Government which faces federal elections in
two weeks.
No definite plans seem to exist at this point in time - various bodies
and polititicians seem to pass along the reponsibility, and nature takes
its course. - I just wanted to provide this information to the Jewish
community outside Germany.

With kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>

Dear Ger siggers and Genners,
A friend saw my previous posting about the KOENIGSBUCH
brothers >from Hamburg and referred me to the following
link of the Bottrop Cemetery in Germany where there is
a grave of Gunter KOENIGSBUCH who died on Feb.
11th,1928.
This is totally new to me. Any help >from Bottrop
researchers is welcome.

http://www.jkg-bottrop.de/jued_friedhof/seite1.htm

Thanks, Jacob Rosen Jerusalem <abuwasta@yahoo.com>

The German Jewish Weekly "Juedische Allgemeine" has two articles (page
1 and page 17) on the the Berlin Weissensee Cemetery in its issue of
September 1, 2005. On page 17 the headline says: "Rettet den Friedhof!"
(Save the Cemetery!).
The cemetery is described as the largest Jewish cemetery in Europe with
115.000 graves - but since there are not enough funds for its
up-keeping, the deterioration is advancing at a high rate.
The article says, estimates say that about 40 million Euros would be
necessary to save it - which is far beyond the means of Berlin Jewish
Community (which would be theoretically responsible for it) or even the
Berlin City Administration.
One strategy seems to consist of having the cemetery recognized as
"World Cultural Heritage" in the hope that this would mean funds for its
restoration >from the Federal Government which faces federal elections in
two weeks.
No definite plans seem to exist at this point in time - various bodies
and polititicians seem to pass along the reponsibility, and nature takes
its course. - I just wanted to provide this information to the Jewish
community outside Germany.

With kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>

Dear Ger siggers and Genners,
A friend saw my previous posting about the KOENIGSBUCH
brothers >from Hamburg and referred me to the following
link of the Bottrop Cemetery in Germany where there is
a grave of Gunter KOENIGSBUCH who died on Feb.
11th,1928.
This is totally new to me. Any help >from Bottrop
researchers is welcome.

http://www.jkg-bottrop.de/jued_friedhof/seite1.htm

Thanks, Jacob Rosen Jerusalem <abuwasta@yahoo.com>

It is with great regret that I must inform you of the death of Thea Skyte
of Leeds UK on the 26th August, after a long illness. Thea had a long and
active life until she was struck down with a dreadful and debilitating
illness five-and-a-half years ago.

An erstwhile contributor to Stammbaum, The Journal of German-Jewish
Genealogical Research, Thea together with her husband Heinz, researched and
wrote extensively about their families and the former Jewish communities in
which they lived, readily and generously sharing both knowledge and
information for the benefit of others in printed format and on Gerhard Jochem
and Susanne Rieger's RIJO website, which is currently offline.

Theea also co-authored Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain's A Guide
to Jewish Genealogy in Germany & Austria with Rosemary Wenzerul and
Randol Schoenberg.

Thea will be much missed by those involved in German-Jewish genealogy.

Thea is survived by her husband Heinz and family.

Jeanette Rosenberg
Convenor Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain German Sig, London UK
email 106503.3561@compuserve.com

It is with great regret that I must inform you of the death of Thea Skyte
of Leeds UK on the 26th August, after a long illness. Thea had a long and
active life until she was struck down with a dreadful and debilitating
illness five-and-a-half years ago.

An erstwhile contributor to Stammbaum, The Journal of German-Jewish
Genealogical Research, Thea together with her husband Heinz, researched and
wrote extensively about their families and the former Jewish communities in
which they lived, readily and generously sharing both knowledge and
information for the benefit of others in printed format and on Gerhard Jochem
and Susanne Rieger's RIJO website, which is currently offline.

Theea also co-authored Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain's A Guide
to Jewish Genealogy in Germany & Austria with Rosemary Wenzerul and
Randol Schoenberg.

Thea will be much missed by those involved in German-Jewish genealogy.

Thea is survived by her husband Heinz and family.

Jeanette Rosenberg
Convenor Jewish Genealogical Society of Great Britain German Sig, London UK
email 106503.3561@compuserve.com