Yesterday was the anniversary of my father's death. As I live in Los
Angeles and he is buried in Detroit I could not go visit the grave. A
friend told me about

http://earth.google.com/

At the moment it only works on a PC. I went to the site typed in
Detroit, then the cemetery and then zoomed in on the area and could
see layout of the stones. Not clear enough to read but clear enough
to know that that was the plot. The next best thing to being there in
person!

Works on individual homes, schools, anything. A fascinating site.

Barbara Kozloff Schoenburg
West Hills, CA
bks@schoenburg.com

Searching: KOZLOFF(V)-Kiev and Pereyaslav, Ukraine; WEINSTEIN-
Basahid, Hungary (now in Yugoslavia), SCHWARTZ and GRUNFELD-Cseke,
Hungary; BELECHEVSKY-Kiev and Pereyaslav, Ukraine; FREEDMAN-Sukvan or
Marianpol, Lithuania

Yesterday was the anniversary of my father's death. As I live in Los
Angeles and he is buried in Detroit I could not go visit the grave. A
friend told me about

http://earth.google.com/

At the moment it only works on a PC. I went to the site typed in
Detroit, then the cemetery and then zoomed in on the area and could
see layout of the stones. Not clear enough to read but clear enough
to know that that was the plot. The next best thing to being there in
person!

Works on individual homes, schools, anything. A fascinating site.

Barbara Kozloff Schoenburg
West Hills, CA
bks@schoenburg.com

Searching: KOZLOFF(V)-Kiev and Pereyaslav, Ukraine; WEINSTEIN-
Basahid, Hungary (now in Yugoslavia), SCHWARTZ and GRUNFELD-Cseke,
Hungary; BELECHEVSKY-Kiev and Pereyaslav, Ukraine; FREEDMAN-Sukvan or
Marianpol, Lithuania

Sounds good. Maybe I lack charitable spirit.

However, I suggest Mr. Griner post a message to this forum stating that he
is going to Mt. Zion or Baron Hirsch or Riverside and asking if anyone would
like photographs taken. :-) Then see how many requests he gets.

I received numerous requests and had to choose which ones to pursue. It was
not possible to satisfy all the requests in one day, even if I did nothing
else. While I was taking photos for the person who lived 20 minutes away

from the cemetery, I wasn't taking photographs for someone else who lived

1000 miles away and had no ability to get to the cemetery.

If someone can request assistance, they can also state that while living
nearby, they are unable to go to the cemetery because "the person is infirm,
disabled, or doesn't drive".

----- Original Message -----

From: "Zev Griner" <zgriner@yahoo.com>

I understand Mr. Schleman's feeling about doing someone elses work for
them, *but*, knowing where someone lives doesn't tell the whole story.

According to Mr. Schleman, he was already going to the cemetery and
made the offer. He was not going out of his way or making an extra
trip. Also, how does he know how capable or able the person making the
request is? Maybe the person is infirm, disabled, or doesn't drive. Or
maybe its just one of those things that the person hasn't gotten around
to doing.

In short, consider a RAOGK an act of absolute charity, like service to
the dead. >>>

Sounds good. Maybe I lack charitable spirit.

However, I suggest Mr. Griner post a message to this forum stating that he
is going to Mt. Zion or Baron Hirsch or Riverside and asking if anyone would
like photographs taken. :-) Then see how many requests he gets.

I received numerous requests and had to choose which ones to pursue. It was
not possible to satisfy all the requests in one day, even if I did nothing
else. While I was taking photos for the person who lived 20 minutes away

from the cemetery, I wasn't taking photographs for someone else who lived

1000 miles away and had no ability to get to the cemetery.

If someone can request assistance, they can also state that while living
nearby, they are unable to go to the cemetery because "the person is infirm,
disabled, or doesn't drive".

----- Original Message -----

From: "Zev Griner" <zgriner@yahoo.com>

I understand Mr. Schleman's feeling about doing someone elses work for
them, *but*, knowing where someone lives doesn't tell the whole story.

According to Mr. Schleman, he was already going to the cemetery and
made the offer. He was not going out of his way or making an extra
trip. Also, how does he know how capable or able the person making the
request is? Maybe the person is infirm, disabled, or doesn't drive. Or
maybe its just one of those things that the person hasn't gotten around
to doing.

In short, consider a RAOGK an act of absolute charity, like service to
the dead. >>>

I have tracked my grandfather, Max TITNER, to Hennepin County in
Minnesota. He was born there in 1894. I believe his siblings were
Dorothy, Harry, Lou, and Sam. It appears that Lou and Sam were born in
Wisconsin.

His mother's name was Lottie or Lotta and I believe her maiden name was
Rabinowitz or Roberts. Lottie was born in Russia. I do not know her
husband's name but he was also born in Russia. The census records show
that Lottie was either widowed or divorced. An alternate spelling of
the name was TITTNER.

If anyone in the MN area can help me go a bit further, it would
definitely be appreciated.

Please respond off list.

I have tracked my grandfather, Max TITNER, to Hennepin County in
Minnesota. He was born there in 1894. I believe his siblings were
Dorothy, Harry, Lou, and Sam. It appears that Lou and Sam were born in
Wisconsin.

His mother's name was Lottie or Lotta and I believe her maiden name was
Rabinowitz or Roberts. Lottie was born in Russia. I do not know her
husband's name but he was also born in Russia. The census records show
that Lottie was either widowed or divorced. An alternate spelling of
the name was TITTNER.

If anyone in the MN area can help me go a bit further, it would
definitely be appreciated.

Please respond off list.

"mark" < mark306@bezeqint.net > wrote in message
news:001501c5af01$e7a84580$0fc6da51@user5...

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to
contact?They can help us in our search in archives,cemetaries, etc. I would
be very happy if we could discuss it. It can be very helpful
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

First of all let us not talk about forcing anyone to do anything - although
I know you put it in inverted commas.

There must be genealogical bodies - whether Jewish or otherwise - in these
countries.

Tge Jewish Genealogical Society of the Former Soviet Union in Moscow
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6121 seems to be for the
provision of a professional service which obviously is charged for.

I have also found an organisation called Blitz which is based jointly in
California and St Petersburg which offers a commercial service.

Presumably what is being suggested could be done through Russian Jews in
Israel, either through their linguistic skills, or by recruiting their
relatives in Russia.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to
contact?They can help us in our search in archives,cemetaries, etc. I would
be very happy if we could discuss it. It can be very helpful
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

I am also on a Slavic academic list that has quite a few correspondents in the
former USSR.
I can send a message requesting to post an announcement inviting interested
people to join this list. Perhaps our list managers can compose the message
with the appropriate links and I will post it.
The Jewish communities of Lithuania and of St Petersburg have web sites
(I'm sure there are others, but these I know of specifically.) You can get
them by googling. They have contact email addresses.
Again, an invitation to join this list might bring in some people.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: This list is open to all. Messages can be sent to
jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org.

"mark" < mark306@bezeqint.net > wrote in message
news:001501c5af01$e7a84580$0fc6da51@user5...

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to
contact?They can help us in our search in archives,cemetaries, etc. I would
be very happy if we could discuss it. It can be very helpful
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

First of all let us not talk about forcing anyone to do anything - although
I know you put it in inverted commas.

There must be genealogical bodies - whether Jewish or otherwise - in these
countries.

Tge Jewish Genealogical Society of the Former Soviet Union in Moscow
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6121 seems to be for the
provision of a professional service which obviously is charged for.

I have also found an organisation called Blitz which is based jointly in
California and St Petersburg which offers a commercial service.

Presumably what is being suggested could be done through Russian Jews in
Israel, either through their linguistic skills, or by recruiting their
relatives in Russia.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to
contact?They can help us in our search in archives,cemetaries, etc. I would
be very happy if we could discuss it. It can be very helpful
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net

I am also on a Slavic academic list that has quite a few correspondents in the
former USSR.
I can send a message requesting to post an announcement inviting interested
people to join this list. Perhaps our list managers can compose the message
with the appropriate links and I will post it.
The Jewish communities of Lithuania and of St Petersburg have web sites
(I'm sure there are others, but these I know of specifically.) You can get
them by googling. They have contact email addresses.
Again, an invitation to join this list might bring in some people.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: This list is open to all. Messages can be sent to
jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org.

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to contact?

Well, I am living in Poland near Warsaw.
The main issue, I think, is the language barrier. In Poland, people don't
know English.

However, I have encountered a Polish discussion group abour genealogy (not
only Jewish).
But it is in Polish only.

Dorota Boniecka

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to contact?

Well, I am living in Poland near Warsaw.
The main issue, I think, is the language barrier. In Poland, people don't
know English.

However, I have encountered a Polish discussion group abour genealogy (not
only Jewish).
But it is in Polish only.

Dorota Boniecka

Lisa Dashman of Croton-on-Hudson, NY requests help in
identifying the birthplaces {and dates} in W. Germany
for her gt-gt-grandparents Isaak & Sophie (geb. Maier)
GUMBRICH / GUMBRECHT and Sigmund/Selegman & Anna/Chane
(geb. Regenstein?) HALL. As far as Lisa knows the
GUMBRICH family lived in Rastatt (Baden) by the 1840s,
but she does not know if they were born there. The
Stadtarchiv in Rastatt states that they have no other
records.

I have GOMBRICH [fourth cousins] >from Vienna on my
family tree and the earliest date I have is a marriage
ca 1841 in Offenbach, Germany of an unknown GOMBRICH
with another unknown - hence my interest in GUMBRICH
which I assume is a variant of GOMBRICH or vice versa.
I am not sure of the origin of the name, but I note
that there are GUMBRICH in Poland [Poznan & Konin] and
also GOMBRICHT and variants is listed as a Polish
name:

http://www.avotaynu.com/books/sourcebook.htm

I have surfed, very selectively, and picked out a few
tit-bits of interest which hopefully might be relevant
to some [esp. Ref 1 and 2]:

1. List of Private Collections and Archives
in the Possession of the CAHJP [Jerusalem]:

Frank, Abraham Collection [Germany, Israel] - 18 -
21st Century. Correspondence and genealogical research
NACHMANN, ESCHENHEIMER, ADLER, GUMBRICH families.

see: http://tinyurl.com/cexma

2. There are also very interesting name adoption lists
for Departments Langenschwalbach and Hochst, 1841.

Town of Hausen: GUMBRICH Moses widow changes her name
to Gumbrich KAHN

http://www.a-h-b.de/AHB/Langenschwalbach.htm

Town of Hochst: there is another GUMBRICH
GUMBRICH Hirsch changes to Gumbrich HIRSCHBERG

http://www.a-h-b.de/AHB/Hoechst.htm

If you are interested in the names Jews chose when
they were forced to adopt Germanic names, this parent
website is a real dream:

http://www.a-h-b.de/AHB/links_e.htm

3. Rabbi Hayum Simon FLEHINGER b. bef 1779 Muehringen
d. 1797 married Hannel GUMBRICH b. bef 1779 Bockenheim
see: http://www.loebtree.com/flehingen.html

4. Moses GOMBRICH is mentioned on a tree of a
Christian family >from Oregon; there are no further
links:

http://brandenburg1.homestead.com/Brandenburg.html

5. And how about this tasty morsel?
GUMBRICH Joseph; Follstandiges Praktisches Kochbuch
fur judische Kuche, druck der Frau Linzen'schen
Buchdruckerei, Trier (Treves), 1888

Translation: A Complete Practical Cookbook of Jewish
Cuisine Published Trier, Germany 1888. Reprinted 1896.

I, for one, have a tiny bit more knowledge now of the
spread of the GUMBRICH name in Germany, which is
always a useful starting point.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Lisa Dashman of Croton-on-Hudson, NY requests help in
identifying the birthplaces {and dates} in W. Germany
for her gt-gt-grandparents Isaak & Sophie (geb. Maier)
GUMBRICH / GUMBRECHT and Sigmund/Selegman & Anna/Chane
(geb. Regenstein?) HALL. As far as Lisa knows the
GUMBRICH family lived in Rastatt (Baden) by the 1840s,
but she does not know if they were born there. The
Stadtarchiv in Rastatt states that they have no other
records.

I have GOMBRICH [fourth cousins] >from Vienna on my
family tree and the earliest date I have is a marriage
ca 1841 in Offenbach, Germany of an unknown GOMBRICH
with another unknown - hence my interest in GUMBRICH
which I assume is a variant of GOMBRICH or vice versa.
I am not sure of the origin of the name, but I note
that there are GUMBRICH in Poland [Poznan & Konin] and
also GOMBRICHT and variants is listed as a Polish
name:

http://www.avotaynu.com/books/sourcebook.htm

I have surfed, very selectively, and picked out a few
tit-bits of interest which hopefully might be relevant
to some [esp. Ref 1 and 2]:

1. List of Private Collections and Archives
in the Possession of the CAHJP [Jerusalem]:

Frank, Abraham Collection [Germany, Israel] - 18 -
21st Century. Correspondence and genealogical research
NACHMANN, ESCHENHEIMER, ADLER, GUMBRICH families.

see: http://tinyurl.com/cexma

2. There are also very interesting name adoption lists
for Departments Langenschwalbach and Hochst, 1841.

Town of Hausen: GUMBRICH Moses widow changes her name
to Gumbrich KAHN

http://www.a-h-b.de/AHB/Langenschwalbach.htm

Town of Hochst: there is another GUMBRICH
GUMBRICH Hirsch changes to Gumbrich HIRSCHBERG

http://www.a-h-b.de/AHB/Hoechst.htm

If you are interested in the names Jews chose when
they were forced to adopt Germanic names, this parent
website is a real dream:

http://www.a-h-b.de/AHB/links_e.htm

3. Rabbi Hayum Simon FLEHINGER b. bef 1779 Muehringen
d. 1797 married Hannel GUMBRICH b. bef 1779 Bockenheim
see: http://www.loebtree.com/flehingen.html

4. Moses GOMBRICH is mentioned on a tree of a
Christian family >from Oregon; there are no further
links:

http://brandenburg1.homestead.com/Brandenburg.html

5. And how about this tasty morsel?
GUMBRICH Joseph; Follstandiges Praktisches Kochbuch
fur judische Kuche, druck der Frau Linzen'schen
Buchdruckerei, Trier (Treves), 1888

Translation: A Complete Practical Cookbook of Jewish
Cuisine Published Trier, Germany 1888. Reprinted 1896.

I, for one, have a tiny bit more knowledge now of the
spread of the GUMBRICH name in Germany, which is
always a useful starting point.

Celia Male [U.K.]

what a wonderful collection of maps! thank you for the reference.

if they are not for sale, you might try printing them yourself on a colour printer. the one that i experimented with, bekes megye, was roughly letter-sized (slightly smaller than 8.5x11"), and the right resolution (175 dpi) to print reasonably well on my black and white laser printer at home. you should be able to print them on a colour printer in a copy shop for about $1 a page or less.


....... tom klein, toronto

I wonder if anyone knows of a reputable researcher based in Budapest (but
not necessarily) who is familiar with Jewish genealogy? I have used only Dr.
Aristid Harmath in the past. One of my clients needs a few 20th-century
certificates. Can anyone advise me as to whether Hungarian civil records are
available only as extracts or also as copies of the original documents? And
do Jewish religious records exist - eg. a Jewish wedding in the 1930s?
kind regards
Krystyna Duszniak
Lost Histories
409 Inkerman Street
East St Kilda Victoria 3183
Australia
ph./fax +613 95072552
losthistories@optusnet.com.au
www.losthistories.com

Moderator: Please send comments and suggestions off-list.

what a wonderful collection of maps! thank you for the reference.

if they are not for sale, you might try printing them yourself on a colour printer. the one that i experimented with, bekes megye, was roughly letter-sized (slightly smaller than 8.5x11"), and the right resolution (175 dpi) to print reasonably well on my black and white laser printer at home. you should be able to print them on a colour printer in a copy shop for about $1 a page or less.


....... tom klein, toronto

I wonder if anyone knows of a reputable researcher based in Budapest (but
not necessarily) who is familiar with Jewish genealogy? I have used only Dr.
Aristid Harmath in the past. One of my clients needs a few 20th-century
certificates. Can anyone advise me as to whether Hungarian civil records are
available only as extracts or also as copies of the original documents? And
do Jewish religious records exist - eg. a Jewish wedding in the 1930s?
kind regards
Krystyna Duszniak
Lost Histories
409 Inkerman Street
East St Kilda Victoria 3183
Australia
ph./fax +613 95072552
losthistories@optusnet.com.au
www.losthistories.com

Moderator: Please send comments and suggestions off-list.

Shalom all,
My grandfather's brother Arnold Vadasz Jacobs was born
March 4, 1880 in Velkekapusawy, Hungary. He came to
the US on Dec 2, 1923 >from Cherbourg, France, abord
the Aquitania to New York City. In Hungary he was an
attorney. I think he was a restaurant cashier in NYC.
He lived at 121 92nd Street. He died in 1970.

I know less about grandpa. His name was Kuby Jacobs
born 1867 ungary, died 1961 in Oklahoma.

Can anyone help me locate Velkekapusawy? Was the name
Vadasz Jewish? Could Kuby be a diminuative for Jacob?
Where shall I look next?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Ruth May
Bellevue, WA

JACOBS-Hungary.South Carolina>Tennesee>Oklahoma
MADANSKY(changed to May 1923)-Sudikov,
Dennevits,Ukraine>Illinois>Arkansas>Oklahoma
MICHAELSON-Ukraine>Oklahoma
GREENFIELD-South Carolina
SCHATZ-Charleston, South Carolina


All the Best from

Ruth Alexis May

Shalom all,
My grandfather's brother Arnold Vadasz Jacobs was born
March 4, 1880 in Velkekapusawy, Hungary. He came to
the US on Dec 2, 1923 >from Cherbourg, France, abord
the Aquitania to New York City. In Hungary he was an
attorney. I think he was a restaurant cashier in NYC.
He lived at 121 92nd Street. He died in 1970.

I know less about grandpa. His name was Kuby Jacobs
born 1867 ungary, died 1961 in Oklahoma.

Can anyone help me locate Velkekapusawy? Was the name
Vadasz Jewish? Could Kuby be a diminuative for Jacob?
Where shall I look next?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Ruth May
Bellevue, WA

JACOBS-Hungary.South Carolina>Tennesee>Oklahoma
MADANSKY(changed to May 1923)-Sudikov,
Dennevits,Ukraine>Illinois>Arkansas>Oklahoma
MICHAELSON-Ukraine>Oklahoma
GREENFIELD-South Carolina
SCHATZ-Charleston, South Carolina


All the Best from

Ruth Alexis May