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Fannie and Max Schar born 1870s, died Chicago #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Cousins,
I recently received photos of some family members buried at SILVERMAN &
WEISS in Chicago. I was looking for known SCHAR/SCHER family members:
Louis (Eliezer Naftali son of Yakov), his wife, Etta Zlate, and their
son, Saul (Zundel). I ended up with some additional relatives, Max
(Mordecai Zalman) and Fannie. Max Schar's father was Yitzhak. My guess
is that Louis and Max were cousins. Does anyone out there recognize this
family? And yes, I have this name registered on JGFF as one I am looking
for.
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Fannie and Max Schar born 1870s, died Chicago #general

Ruth Hyman <ruth.hyman@...>
 

Dear Cousins,
I recently received photos of some family members buried at SILVERMAN &
WEISS in Chicago. I was looking for known SCHAR/SCHER family members:
Louis (Eliezer Naftali son of Yakov), his wife, Etta Zlate, and their
son, Saul (Zundel). I ended up with some additional relatives, Max
(Mordecai Zalman) and Fannie. Max Schar's father was Yitzhak. My guess
is that Louis and Max were cousins. Does anyone out there recognize this
family? And yes, I have this name registered on JGFF as one I am looking
for.
Ruth Hyman
Rockville Centre, NY


Re: Where is Brastele Austria? #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Linda Shefler wrote on 20 okt 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

Chag Sameach to all!
I am in need of some help; my relative Samuel REICHER immigrated to
Cleveland, OH in 1904. On the ship's manifest he gave his last place
of residence as Krakow. On his Petition for Naturalization in 1915 he
lists his place of birth as Brastele Austria.
For the life of me I can't determine what or where Brastele is. Does
anyway have any suggestions?
[little-] Brast?

< http://www.innweb.at/map/opengeodb.php?id=11579&q=Brast >

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is Brastele Austria? #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Linda Shefler wrote on 20 okt 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

Chag Sameach to all!
I am in need of some help; my relative Samuel REICHER immigrated to
Cleveland, OH in 1904. On the ship's manifest he gave his last place
of residence as Krakow. On his Petition for Naturalization in 1915 he
lists his place of birth as Brastele Austria.
For the life of me I can't determine what or where Brastele is. Does
anyway have any suggestions?
[little-] Brast?

< http://www.innweb.at/map/opengeodb.php?id=11579&q=Brast >

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)


Re: German Jewish History before 400 BCE & Proto-German Jewish Existence #germany

Nachum Tuchman
 

Dear List,

In the book 'Eim Habanim Smeichah', (the English edition), written by
Harav Yisachar Shlomo Teichtal, published in 2000 by Kol Mevaser
Publications, ISBN 965-7108-17-9, the following appears on page 52 of
the second introduction.

When Ezra went to Israel to rebuild the second Temple, he sent letters
to all of the Jewish communities in the Diaspora. One such letter was
sent to Worms, in Germany. Their answer was "You may dwell in the
great Jerusalem, we will dwell here in the small Jerusalem" (>from the
book Seder HaDorot, vol.1, 5380, citing the S'ma, who saw this in the
'Ma'aseh Nissim' by R. Eliezer of Worms, author of the 'Roke'ach').

from this, we can see that there was a German Jewish community some
2500 years ago. More if you accept the generaly accepted year for the
destruction of the first Temple as 586 B.C.E, less if you accept the
chronology of the Rambam, in which the Temple was destroyed in the
year 421 B.C.E.

Nachum Tuchman Tekoa, Israel

"I would have to surmise there has to be even more undiscovered Jewish
archeological evidence in Germany prior to the cemetery found in K=F6ln and
even before the Gaonic Period.
Assyrian and Roman persecution must have driven the Jews to not only the
corners of the Middle East but to many parts of Europe as well.
Could it be said that the Judeans and Israelites did exist in a further
far-reaching Diaspora than is generally known?
The Babylonians utilized a far-flung Empire and I would have to think that
Jewish merchants did accompany them.
Could it also be said that the Franco-German history could be rewritten
(correctly) to also show a pronounced Judeo influence?
Revisionistic history is always proceeding and developing. Sincerely,"

Marcus Poulin nanophotonic@comcast.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply to Mr. Poulin by private E-mail only *** except ***
to provide citations of published or Internet material that addresses his
theory. Messages on this topic that do not refer to an authoritative soruce
will be rejected. Send your undocumented personal opinions via private email.


Re: Searching for Holocaust survivors from a German town destroyed #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Chaim Charutz wrote

Hi Jewiahgenners,

I have a problem in trying to trace possible Holocaust survivors >from a
village in Central Germany (name Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck), which was
destroyed during WWII. The area was apparently bombed by the Allies and the
town was destroyed, with the result that neither the town nor any archival
records of the town survived the war.

My wife's late father, Bernhard HIRSCH lived in this town before the war. He
left Gemany as a young man during the1930''s soon after the Nazis came to
power and emigrated to Palestine. He managed to persuade his two sisters and
a cousin to join him there. As far as any of them knew, they were the only
Jews to survive >from that town. During the 1950's-1960's, the cousin tried
to find information about survivors but was unable to do so because of the
lack of official surviving records.

I am hoping that, somehow, there were other survivors who may have got
somewhere else in the world, Some of them may read Jewishgen and will be
able to contact us.

I thought of lisstting this in the JGFF, but came across a problem there.
The JGFF software will not allow me to list "Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck", as
this a presently non-existent town. It was suggested that I list the town as
Sachsenhausen. Apparently, there sre hundreds of towns, villages, suburbs;
etc. with the name of Sachsenhausen in various parts of Germany. Thus
listing "Hirsch" (a very common Jewish name in Germany) >from "Sachsenhausen"
(one of hundreds Germany) is meaningless.

So, if any of you could help me with this problem, I would be very grateful.

I am looking specifically for information about

1: a town/village called Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck in Central Germany.

2: any Jewish survivors of the Holocaust >from this town or region.

r-mail yairharu@zahav.net.il

Petach Tikva 49410,
Israel.

Chaim,

I'd like to clarify this issue since as the JGFF editor, I am directly
responsible for the verifying new town entries existence and its correct
spelling and whereabouts.

Your posting to the digest has surprised me..

1. If you were trying to enter "Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck" into JGFF
database and it was automatically rejected by JGFF computer program, this
was due to the reason that town was not previously listed in JGFF database.

There is a simple procedure which prompts researchers to approach Helpdesk
and to request to add town name to the system.

I am keeping in my files records of the inquiries issued to JGFF Helpdesk
for the last 12 months.There was no inquiry for "Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck"
or for any Sachsenhausen issued >from January 1, 2005.

All inquiries to JGFFHelp were in no time left without the answer and
positive resolution. Assistance is always provided to the researchers to
locate, identify and add their towns JGFF team conducts its own research and
if town name has "disappeared", previously known name will be added to the
system with appropriate notes in our files.

2. Towns do not disappear - their name could be changed as it took place in
eastern part of Europe due to the borders changes or smaller towns became
absorbed by the larger nearby towns as their suburbs.

3. There are only eight Sachsenhausen and nine Waldeck (exact spelling)
towns are listed in Germany. It took me just several minutes by using
ShttetlSeeker "radius search" feature to identify Sachsenhausen as located
at 5114 0901, just 3,2 miles NW >from Waldeck and 21 miles WSW >from Kassel.
Town obviously was not destroyed during WWII.

4. By using Google search, I have also identify that the member of German
Genealogical Society of South Africa, Mr. Gideon J.Kok is researching his
family roots for surnames KOCK/KOK/COK in "Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck".
I've assumed that person with the first name Gideon must be Jewish (I might
be wrong there), but you can verify this by writing to him derictly.

You will find Mr. K.Kok email address at

http://tinyurl.com/abejb

(look under the letter"K" for Kok)

--
Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


German SIG #Germany Re: German Jewish History before 400 BCE & Proto-German Jewish Existence #germany

Nachum Tuchman
 

Dear List,

In the book 'Eim Habanim Smeichah', (the English edition), written by
Harav Yisachar Shlomo Teichtal, published in 2000 by Kol Mevaser
Publications, ISBN 965-7108-17-9, the following appears on page 52 of
the second introduction.

When Ezra went to Israel to rebuild the second Temple, he sent letters
to all of the Jewish communities in the Diaspora. One such letter was
sent to Worms, in Germany. Their answer was "You may dwell in the
great Jerusalem, we will dwell here in the small Jerusalem" (>from the
book Seder HaDorot, vol.1, 5380, citing the S'ma, who saw this in the
'Ma'aseh Nissim' by R. Eliezer of Worms, author of the 'Roke'ach').

from this, we can see that there was a German Jewish community some
2500 years ago. More if you accept the generaly accepted year for the
destruction of the first Temple as 586 B.C.E, less if you accept the
chronology of the Rambam, in which the Temple was destroyed in the
year 421 B.C.E.

Nachum Tuchman Tekoa, Israel

"I would have to surmise there has to be even more undiscovered Jewish
archeological evidence in Germany prior to the cemetery found in K=F6ln and
even before the Gaonic Period.
Assyrian and Roman persecution must have driven the Jews to not only the
corners of the Middle East but to many parts of Europe as well.
Could it be said that the Judeans and Israelites did exist in a further
far-reaching Diaspora than is generally known?
The Babylonians utilized a far-flung Empire and I would have to think that
Jewish merchants did accompany them.
Could it also be said that the Franco-German history could be rewritten
(correctly) to also show a pronounced Judeo influence?
Revisionistic history is always proceeding and developing. Sincerely,"

Marcus Poulin nanophotonic@comcast.net

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply to Mr. Poulin by private E-mail only *** except ***
to provide citations of published or Internet material that addresses his
theory. Messages on this topic that do not refer to an authoritative soruce
will be rejected. Send your undocumented personal opinions via private email.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching for Holocaust survivors from a German town destroyed #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Chaim Charutz wrote

Hi Jewiahgenners,

I have a problem in trying to trace possible Holocaust survivors >from a
village in Central Germany (name Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck), which was
destroyed during WWII. The area was apparently bombed by the Allies and the
town was destroyed, with the result that neither the town nor any archival
records of the town survived the war.

My wife's late father, Bernhard HIRSCH lived in this town before the war. He
left Gemany as a young man during the1930''s soon after the Nazis came to
power and emigrated to Palestine. He managed to persuade his two sisters and
a cousin to join him there. As far as any of them knew, they were the only
Jews to survive >from that town. During the 1950's-1960's, the cousin tried
to find information about survivors but was unable to do so because of the
lack of official surviving records.

I am hoping that, somehow, there were other survivors who may have got
somewhere else in the world, Some of them may read Jewishgen and will be
able to contact us.

I thought of lisstting this in the JGFF, but came across a problem there.
The JGFF software will not allow me to list "Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck", as
this a presently non-existent town. It was suggested that I list the town as
Sachsenhausen. Apparently, there sre hundreds of towns, villages, suburbs;
etc. with the name of Sachsenhausen in various parts of Germany. Thus
listing "Hirsch" (a very common Jewish name in Germany) >from "Sachsenhausen"
(one of hundreds Germany) is meaningless.

So, if any of you could help me with this problem, I would be very grateful.

I am looking specifically for information about

1: a town/village called Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck in Central Germany.

2: any Jewish survivors of the Holocaust >from this town or region.

r-mail yairharu@zahav.net.il

Petach Tikva 49410,
Israel.

Chaim,

I'd like to clarify this issue since as the JGFF editor, I am directly
responsible for the verifying new town entries existence and its correct
spelling and whereabouts.

Your posting to the digest has surprised me..

1. If you were trying to enter "Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck" into JGFF
database and it was automatically rejected by JGFF computer program, this
was due to the reason that town was not previously listed in JGFF database.

There is a simple procedure which prompts researchers to approach Helpdesk
and to request to add town name to the system.

I am keeping in my files records of the inquiries issued to JGFF Helpdesk
for the last 12 months.There was no inquiry for "Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck"
or for any Sachsenhausen issued >from January 1, 2005.

All inquiries to JGFFHelp were in no time left without the answer and
positive resolution. Assistance is always provided to the researchers to
locate, identify and add their towns JGFF team conducts its own research and
if town name has "disappeared", previously known name will be added to the
system with appropriate notes in our files.

2. Towns do not disappear - their name could be changed as it took place in
eastern part of Europe due to the borders changes or smaller towns became
absorbed by the larger nearby towns as their suburbs.

3. There are only eight Sachsenhausen and nine Waldeck (exact spelling)
towns are listed in Germany. It took me just several minutes by using
ShttetlSeeker "radius search" feature to identify Sachsenhausen as located
at 5114 0901, just 3,2 miles NW >from Waldeck and 21 miles WSW >from Kassel.
Town obviously was not destroyed during WWII.

4. By using Google search, I have also identify that the member of German
Genealogical Society of South Africa, Mr. Gideon J.Kok is researching his
family roots for surnames KOCK/KOK/COK in "Sachsenhausen-in-Waldeck".
I've assumed that person with the first name Gideon must be Jewish (I might
be wrong there), but you can verify this by writing to him derictly.

You will find Mr. K.Kok email address at

http://tinyurl.com/abejb

(look under the letter"K" for Kok)

--
Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Re: Information about Independent Stanislaver Lodge Society #galicia

Alexander Sharon
 

Henry Schwartz wrote


Has anyone ever heard of a Society called Independent Stanislaver Lodge.
The
last person who was the contact was a Arthur S Alfert. I have two phone
numbers of him but both seem to be not working anymore.

Thank You

YIVO collection lists Stanislauer Progressive Benevolent Association, record
group # RG 920
Please refer to:

http://home.att.net/~landsmanshaft/yivo.htm

Best,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Information about Independent Stanislaver Lodge Society #general

Alexander Sharon
 

Henry Schwartz wrote


Has anyone ever heard of a Society called Independent Stanislaver Lodge.
The
last person who was the contact was a Arthur S Alfert. I have two phone
numbers of him but both seem to be not working anymore.

Thank You

YIVO collection lists Stanislauer Progressive Benevolent Association, record
group # RG 920
Please refer to:

http://home.att.net/~landsmanshaft/yivo.htm

Best,

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Ab.


Re: Request information on town: Tuchten #germany

N.Landau@...
 

Linda Tuchten Forest schrieb: Hi Gergenners,
I am researching the surname TUCHTEN. In my search I
have found the city of Tuchten, Land Niedersachsen,
Germany. Can anyone help me to locate the history
and/or the meaning of this city.
See Tuechten near Bremen
http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/dyn/controller/mapPerformPage?expressMap=false&act=&pim=true&strAddress=&strCP=&strLocation=Tuechten&strCountry=240&productId=&x=34&y=11

Lat: 53:03:43N
Lon: 9:07:41E 53 03 09 07

Nick Landau London, UK <N.Landau@btinternet.com>


German SIG #Germany Re: Request information on town: Tuchten #germany

N.Landau@...
 

Linda Tuchten Forest schrieb: Hi Gergenners,
I am researching the surname TUCHTEN. In my search I
have found the city of Tuchten, Land Niedersachsen,
Germany. Can anyone help me to locate the history
and/or the meaning of this city.
See Tuechten near Bremen
http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/dyn/controller/mapPerformPage?expressMap=false&act=&pim=true&strAddress=&strCP=&strLocation=Tuechten&strCountry=240&productId=&x=34&y=11

Lat: 53:03:43N
Lon: 9:07:41E 53 03 09 07

Nick Landau London, UK <N.Landau@btinternet.com>


Re: German emigration via Antwerp #germany

Ilan Szekely <tcdb@...>
 

In the Ellis Island records you get data about the ship of arrival.
Data includes ship "port of departure" which is often "Antwerp".
To view this data you must be "registered" but registration is free.

http://www.ellisisland.org/

Ilan Szekely MODERATOR NOTE: please sign future mail to this list with your
city and state of residence

From: "Rubin, Michael" <mrubin@sonusnet.com> 16 Oct 2005
Does anyone have creative ideas of how to find departure records through
Antwerp? Apparently my family left Hesse-Nassau over land to Antwerp. Thanks.
Michael Rubin Newton, MA USA mrubin@sonusnet.com


German SIG #Germany Re: German emigration via Antwerp #germany

Ilan Szekely <tcdb@...>
 

In the Ellis Island records you get data about the ship of arrival.
Data includes ship "port of departure" which is often "Antwerp".
To view this data you must be "registered" but registration is free.

http://www.ellisisland.org/

Ilan Szekely MODERATOR NOTE: please sign future mail to this list with your
city and state of residence

From: "Rubin, Michael" <mrubin@sonusnet.com> 16 Oct 2005
Does anyone have creative ideas of how to find departure records through
Antwerp? Apparently my family left Hesse-Nassau over land to Antwerp. Thanks.
Michael Rubin Newton, MA USA mrubin@sonusnet.com


Re: German Occupations (translation request) #germany

Gerrard Salomon <jerrysalomon@...>
 

As I couldn't find the listed occupations in the
Gersig translations, I would like to try and help.
1. Skins and fur trade
2. Notions and dry(yard)goods
3. Handmade accessories and dress manufacture
4. Millinery and dress shop

Gerrard Salomon, La Jolla, CA jerrysalomon@sbcglobal.net


German SIG #Germany Re: German Occupations (translation request) #germany

Gerrard Salomon <jerrysalomon@...>
 

As I couldn't find the listed occupations in the
Gersig translations, I would like to try and help.
1. Skins and fur trade
2. Notions and dry(yard)goods
3. Handmade accessories and dress manufacture
4. Millinery and dress shop

Gerrard Salomon, La Jolla, CA jerrysalomon@sbcglobal.net


JGSPBCI Breakfast meeting will take place as scheduled! #general

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

*Jewish Genealogical Society Of Palm Beach County,Inc.*
Celebrating our Fifteenth Anniversary Year
www.jgspalmbeachcounty.org

Sunday's membership meeting will take place as originally scheduled.
While Hurricane Wilma remains a threat to our area, landfall is not expected
until late Monday or early Tuesday. Therefore, the board has decided to hold
the meeting as planned. The Jewish Community Center WILL be open and our
speaker, Ron Arons, has already arrived in the Palm Beach area. Come join
us for a great morning.

October 23, Breakfast Meeting
(Note special time, place and date.)
Coffee, tea, bagels and .......

Join us for networking and breakfast:
Sunday morning, October 23, 9:AM
Beifield Auditorium, Phyllis & Harvey Sandler Center for Jewish
Life Enhancement at the Levis Jewish Community Center campus in Boca
Raton, Florida. No charge for members, guest fee $5.00.

9:00 AM-10:00 AM: Coffee, refreshments and the "Brick Wall" Session
10:00 AM: Program - Guest Speaker: Ron Arons
"How To Find Anyone or Anything on
the Internet (almost)"

Please continue to watch Television News or listen to Radio Broadcasts for
last minute cancellation notices which may be due to unexpected changes in
Hurricane Wilma weather forecasts.

Directions to Beifield Auditorium:
The Beifield Auditorium is located in the Phyllis & Harvey Sandler Center
for Jewish Life Enhancement at the Levis Jewish Community Center Campus in
Boca Raton, Florida.

The Levis JCC is on 95th Ave. S., off of Glades Road, between Lyons Road
and U.S. 441 (S.R.7). It is nearby to both the Florida Turnpike and
Interstate 95.

>from I-95 or Florida Turnpike exit at Glades Road and drive West. Turn left
at 95th Avenue South traffic light. At the guard gate indicate that you are
visiting the Sandler Center. Go left around the traffic circle. The Sandler
Center is the third building on the right.

>from U.S. 441, go East on Glades Road to second traffic light. Turn right
into 95th Avenue South. Follow directions above to guard gate.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSPBCI Breakfast meeting will take place as scheduled! #general

Sylvia Furshman Nusinov
 

*Jewish Genealogical Society Of Palm Beach County,Inc.*
Celebrating our Fifteenth Anniversary Year
www.jgspalmbeachcounty.org

Sunday's membership meeting will take place as originally scheduled.
While Hurricane Wilma remains a threat to our area, landfall is not expected
until late Monday or early Tuesday. Therefore, the board has decided to hold
the meeting as planned. The Jewish Community Center WILL be open and our
speaker, Ron Arons, has already arrived in the Palm Beach area. Come join
us for a great morning.

October 23, Breakfast Meeting
(Note special time, place and date.)
Coffee, tea, bagels and .......

Join us for networking and breakfast:
Sunday morning, October 23, 9:AM
Beifield Auditorium, Phyllis & Harvey Sandler Center for Jewish
Life Enhancement at the Levis Jewish Community Center campus in Boca
Raton, Florida. No charge for members, guest fee $5.00.

9:00 AM-10:00 AM: Coffee, refreshments and the "Brick Wall" Session
10:00 AM: Program - Guest Speaker: Ron Arons
"How To Find Anyone or Anything on
the Internet (almost)"

Please continue to watch Television News or listen to Radio Broadcasts for
last minute cancellation notices which may be due to unexpected changes in
Hurricane Wilma weather forecasts.

Directions to Beifield Auditorium:
The Beifield Auditorium is located in the Phyllis & Harvey Sandler Center
for Jewish Life Enhancement at the Levis Jewish Community Center Campus in
Boca Raton, Florida.

The Levis JCC is on 95th Ave. S., off of Glades Road, between Lyons Road
and U.S. 441 (S.R.7). It is nearby to both the Florida Turnpike and
Interstate 95.

>from I-95 or Florida Turnpike exit at Glades Road and drive West. Turn left
at 95th Avenue South traffic light. At the guard gate indicate that you are
visiting the Sandler Center. Go left around the traffic circle. The Sandler
Center is the third building on the right.

>from U.S. 441, go East on Glades Road to second traffic light. Turn right
into 95th Avenue South. Follow directions above to guard gate.


Finding Lost Landsmanshaftn #general

Joseph Fibel <JFibel@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Henry Schwartz wrote asking about a seemingly defunct Landsmanshaft called
the Independent Stansislaver Lodge.

I suggest that anyone having this problem go to the IAJGS web site,
iajgs.org, and search for their cemetery project and then look for
the landsmanshaft. You will find the names of the cemeteries which
had plots for this landsmanshaft (Lanmdsmanshaftn often had plots
in more than one cemetery. (Once it filled up they bought a plot in
another cemetery-often not near by.) Look for the cemetery office in
the phone book or switchboard.com and call asking the Secretary there
who is responsible for currently opening graves for the plot and his
phone number. Sometimes this works.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Finding Lost Landsmanshaftn #general

Joseph Fibel <JFibel@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Henry Schwartz wrote asking about a seemingly defunct Landsmanshaft called
the Independent Stansislaver Lodge.

I suggest that anyone having this problem go to the IAJGS web site,
iajgs.org, and search for their cemetery project and then look for
the landsmanshaft. You will find the names of the cemeteries which
had plots for this landsmanshaft (Lanmdsmanshaftn often had plots
in more than one cemetery. (Once it filled up they bought a plot in
another cemetery-often not near by.) Look for the cemetery office in
the phone book or switchboard.com and call asking the Secretary there
who is responsible for currently opening graves for the plot and his
phone number. Sometimes this works.

Joe Fibel
New Rochelle, NY