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Henry Sinai's email is bouncing
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MTB <71431.1612@...>
Forgive this general note, but Henry Sinai contacted me privately for a
request and my reply is perceived as spam by his server and hence, bounces back to me. Henry, I'm glad to fulfill the request. Give me a week or two. Thanks to all, Maureen Tighe-Brown Moderator: Please contact Maureen off-list if you have Henry's e-mail address.
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Searching for REISMAN MIKLOS/Ungvar
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Vivian Kahn
Miklos Reisman was born in Ungvar in 1937. His parents were Jeno
Reisman and Ilona Stern. In 1942, his father, Jeno Reismann, disappeared >from a Hungarian Jewish Labor Battalion. Miklos lived in Budapest with his aunt, Margit Reismann (Margit neni) and his uncle, Menyhert Reisman, (Moni bacsi) at VII. Istvan ut 36. In 1944, his mother (Ilona Stern-Reismann) hid him with a Christian family in the Kobanya area in Budapest (in the vicinity of Onodi utca, in District X). Ilona was deported, and after the liberation in 1945, she returned to Budapest to reunite with her son, but Miklos and the family hiding him had vanished without a trace. - Were you in Budapest in 1944? Do you know anyone who took a boy into their home and raised him as their own? - Did Miklos remain with that family in Hungary, and eventually come to the United States after the Hungarian revolution? - Was Miklos taken to one of the protected children's houses in Budapest? Was Miklos in the Jewish Ghetto or in one of the cloisters or monasteries where they hid Jewish children? Do you know anyone who was involved with the care of those children? - Was Miklos taken to Israel, given a new name, and then perhaps adopted? Miklos Reisman's relatives have contacted numerous agencies in Hungary, Israel, Sweden, Switzerland, and the U.S., but haven't received answers to these questions. Eszter Reisman >from Ungvar was the mother of my great-uncles so there may be a connection. If you know anyone with a Hungarian background, who may not have access to the Internet, please tell them of this search. Go to http://members.aol.com/lenke10/index.html to see pictures of Miklos and his family and for more information. Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Henry Sinai's email is bouncing
#hungary
MTB <71431.1612@...>
Forgive this general note, but Henry Sinai contacted me privately for a
request and my reply is perceived as spam by his server and hence, bounces back to me. Henry, I'm glad to fulfill the request. Give me a week or two. Thanks to all, Maureen Tighe-Brown Moderator: Please contact Maureen off-list if you have Henry's e-mail address.
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Searching for REISMAN MIKLOS/Ungvar
#hungary
Vivian Kahn
Miklos Reisman was born in Ungvar in 1937. His parents were Jeno
Reisman and Ilona Stern. In 1942, his father, Jeno Reismann, disappeared >from a Hungarian Jewish Labor Battalion. Miklos lived in Budapest with his aunt, Margit Reismann (Margit neni) and his uncle, Menyhert Reisman, (Moni bacsi) at VII. Istvan ut 36. In 1944, his mother (Ilona Stern-Reismann) hid him with a Christian family in the Kobanya area in Budapest (in the vicinity of Onodi utca, in District X). Ilona was deported, and after the liberation in 1945, she returned to Budapest to reunite with her son, but Miklos and the family hiding him had vanished without a trace. - Were you in Budapest in 1944? Do you know anyone who took a boy into their home and raised him as their own? - Did Miklos remain with that family in Hungary, and eventually come to the United States after the Hungarian revolution? - Was Miklos taken to one of the protected children's houses in Budapest? Was Miklos in the Jewish Ghetto or in one of the cloisters or monasteries where they hid Jewish children? Do you know anyone who was involved with the care of those children? - Was Miklos taken to Israel, given a new name, and then perhaps adopted? Miklos Reisman's relatives have contacted numerous agencies in Hungary, Israel, Sweden, Switzerland, and the U.S., but haven't received answers to these questions. Eszter Reisman >from Ungvar was the mother of my great-uncles so there may be a connection. If you know anyone with a Hungarian background, who may not have access to the Internet, please tell them of this search. Go to http://members.aol.com/lenke10/index.html to see pictures of Miklos and his family and for more information. Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
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Re: Kosice Cemetery
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tom klein <h-sig@...>
it's little distressing to see that the english pages on that web site, along with all references to "zidovsky" (jewish), seem to have been removed. (all the pages that turned up in a google search for "zidovsky site:kosice.sk" appear to be missing >from the server.) "zidov" also doesn't return any results >from the site's own search feature.
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is this just a restructuring of the web site, or a purge of the city's jewish history? ....... tom klein, toronto ps. i understand the moderator's note, but accessing the pages other than through the domain name itself is not a good idea.
"moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com> wrote:
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Girls teachers' training school in Miskolc
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levinson <levinson@...>
Dear H-Siggers,
My aunt Hochfelder Judit (1924-1944) studied in the teachers' training school in Miskolc >from November 1943 to April 1944. I am looking for information about this school but did not find much in the memorial book of the town. Is there any other source? Can you address me to survivors who studied there? Esther Levinson Beer Sheva, Israel Researching: Hochfelder, Neumann, Baum, Mandel and Weiler
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Kosice Cemetery
#hungary
tom klein <h-sig@...>
it's little distressing to see that the english pages on that web site, along with all references to "zidovsky" (jewish), seem to have been removed. (all the pages that turned up in a google search for "zidovsky site:kosice.sk" appear to be missing >from the server.) "zidov" also doesn't return any results >from the site's own search feature.
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is this just a restructuring of the web site, or a purge of the city's jewish history? ....... tom klein, toronto ps. i understand the moderator's note, but accessing the pages other than through the domain name itself is not a good idea.
"moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com> wrote:
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Girls teachers' training school in Miskolc
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levinson <levinson@...>
Dear H-Siggers,
My aunt Hochfelder Judit (1924-1944) studied in the teachers' training school in Miskolc >from November 1943 to April 1944. I am looking for information about this school but did not find much in the memorial book of the town. Is there any other source? Can you address me to survivors who studied there? Esther Levinson Beer Sheva, Israel Researching: Hochfelder, Neumann, Baum, Mandel and Weiler
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Re: Szadello, Abauj-Torna
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Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
Dear Bonnie Frederics,
The current name of SZADELO (accents on the "a" and "o") is ZADIEL in Slovak. The village is located between Kosice and Roznava, abt. 15 kilometers >from Szepsi (Moldava nad Bodvou in Slovakian), and close to the border of Hungary. If you need the entries of Szadelo Jews, you can find them in the Jewish records book of Szepsi, I think. Regards, Sandor Bacskai Budapest, Hungary
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Re: Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna
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tom klein <h-sig@...>
a good resource for finding places is the radix 1913 gazetteer at <http://www.bogardi.com/gen/>. if you type "szade", you will quickly find sza'delo:", in abauj-torna megye, in modern-day slovakia. (and it will even plot it on a map for you!)
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"B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Szadello, Abauj-Torna
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Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
Dear Bonnie Frederics,
The current name of SZADELO (accents on the "a" and "o") is ZADIEL in Slovak. The village is located between Kosice and Roznava, abt. 15 kilometers >from Szepsi (Moldava nad Bodvou in Slovakian), and close to the border of Hungary. If you need the entries of Szadelo Jews, you can find them in the Jewish records book of Szepsi, I think. Regards, Sandor Bacskai Budapest, Hungary
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna
#hungary
tom klein <h-sig@...>
a good resource for finding places is the radix 1913 gazetteer at <http://www.bogardi.com/gen/>. if you type "szade", you will quickly find sza'delo:", in abauj-torna megye, in modern-day slovakia. (and it will even plot it on a map for you!)
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"B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:
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Re: INTRO - Seeking MICHAELIS
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Fritz Neubauer
Lorraine Garcia schrieb:
The family names and towns that I am researching are:born 1866 and died at the hand of the Nazis 1944. Dear Lorraine, I would like to check on your family, but for a start it should be cleared up whether you really mean CharlottenbErg as the place of origin of your family. CharlottenbErg is a city in the Rhineland-Palatinate not far >from Koblenz. But there is a more frequently occurring place called CharlottenbUrg. This is a city district of Berlin. The street address Wilmersdorfer Str. seems to point into the direction of Berlin and CharlottenBURG. Perhaps you can shed some light on that, with kind regards Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>
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Force Labor Battelion (Units 101/6 & 108/31) + 401 Penal Company
#hungary
Ujfeherto@...
Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can get more information about
Hungarian Forced Labor Units 101/6 & 108/31 and the 401 Penal Company? My grandfather Miklos BREUER disappeared at the "Loello Battlefield" on the Eastern Front on January 17, 1943 on the Russian front shortly after the collapse of the 2nd Hungarian Army at the bend at the Don River. Can anyone tell me where the Loello Battlefield was? His brother Laszlo BREUER disappeared at Ilinka, Krasna, Ukraine (near Rostov) on the same day. My other grandfather, Antal LINHARDT, was in the 401 Penal Company. I posted Miklos & Laszlo's records I obtained >from Vad Yashem on ViewMate VM6851 & VM6852. Paul Linhardt Pacific Grove, CA Searching: BREUER, LINHARDT http://www.PaulLinhardt.com
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German SIG #Germany Re: INTRO - Seeking MICHAELIS
#germany
Fritz Neubauer
Lorraine Garcia schrieb:
The family names and towns that I am researching are:born 1866 and died at the hand of the Nazis 1944. Dear Lorraine, I would like to check on your family, but for a start it should be cleared up whether you really mean CharlottenbErg as the place of origin of your family. CharlottenbErg is a city in the Rhineland-Palatinate not far >from Koblenz. But there is a more frequently occurring place called CharlottenbUrg. This is a city district of Berlin. The street address Wilmersdorfer Str. seems to point into the direction of Berlin and CharlottenBURG. Perhaps you can shed some light on that, with kind regards Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Force Labor Battelion (Units 101/6 & 108/31) + 401 Penal Company
#hungary
Ujfeherto@...
Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can get more information about
Hungarian Forced Labor Units 101/6 & 108/31 and the 401 Penal Company? My grandfather Miklos BREUER disappeared at the "Loello Battlefield" on the Eastern Front on January 17, 1943 on the Russian front shortly after the collapse of the 2nd Hungarian Army at the bend at the Don River. Can anyone tell me where the Loello Battlefield was? His brother Laszlo BREUER disappeared at Ilinka, Krasna, Ukraine (near Rostov) on the same day. My other grandfather, Antal LINHARDT, was in the 401 Penal Company. I posted Miklos & Laszlo's records I obtained >from Vad Yashem on ViewMate VM6851 & VM6852. Paul Linhardt Pacific Grove, CA Searching: BREUER, LINHARDT http://www.PaulLinhardt.com
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Re: Seek advice about MICHAELIS ancestors just recognized as Jewish
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Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
Lorraine, in checking the name MICHAELIS on the Yad Vashem's Central
Database of Shoah Victim's Names <http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/ portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_9I?next_form=advanced_search>, I found 8 pages of murdered people by that name, the vast majority of them >from Berlin. [Charlottenberg is a suburb of Berlin.] I would suggest that you join a local Jewish genealogy society to obtain the greatest help in doing Jewish genealogy. If you go to the IAJGS website [www.iajgs.org], you can look up a member organisation in your area. Good luck! Martha Lev-Zion, Omer, Israel <martha@bgu.ac.il>
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German SIG #Germany Re: Seek advice about MICHAELIS ancestors just recognized as Jewish
#germany
Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
Lorraine, in checking the name MICHAELIS on the Yad Vashem's Central
Database of Shoah Victim's Names <http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/ portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_9I?next_form=advanced_search>, I found 8 pages of murdered people by that name, the vast majority of them >from Berlin. [Charlottenberg is a suburb of Berlin.] I would suggest that you join a local Jewish genealogy society to obtain the greatest help in doing Jewish genealogy. If you go to the IAJGS website [www.iajgs.org], you can look up a member organisation in your area. Good luck! Martha Lev-Zion, Omer, Israel <martha@bgu.ac.il>
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Re: Seek advice about MICHAELIS ancestors just recognized as Jewish
#germany
Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
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There have been many Jews with the surname MICHAELIS. Someone named Max Paul MICHAELIS may have been Jewish--or not. That he was murdered by Nazi criminals doesn't make him Jewish, of course--the Nazis found lots of people to murder. You may indeed have Jewish ancestors, and I wish you all the best of luck in your research--no matter what the outcome. But: What Internet checking told you that the name MICHAELIS is Jewish? I just did some myself, and found tons of Gentile MICHAELISes in Germany. For starters, there's always the phone book. www.dastelefonbuch.de gives you the whole country at a glance. There are businesses and multiple listings, so take their counts and divide by two. 400+ listings for MICHAELIS in Berlin; 182 in Hamburg; 87 in Bremen; and so on. And that's in 2005! Next, hop over to www.familysearch.org and search for the name in Germany. Again, lots of listings. Many are baptismal records. Many more come >from before 1800, when very few Jews had surnames at all. The name MICHAELIS is a Latinized possessive: "of Michael." It's always used when referring to a church of St. Michael: that's a Michaelis-Kirche. Latinized names are not uncommon in Germany: the composer Michael PRAETORIUS was Michael SCHULZE before he translated himself. Some even used Greek, like Luther's colleague Philipp MELANCHTHON (black earth), who was Philipp SCHWARZERD (black earth) to his parents. In general, there are hardly any surnames that, by themselves, indicate a high probability that a person or his/her ancestry was Jewish. That's true in Germany and elsewhere. The only reliable exceptions are rare surnames that were only used by one family, where that family was Jewish. There are several names I've worked with that most likely fall into that category--but they obviously won't ever add up to a large percentage of the population. That said, you should contact the Standesamt (registry office) in Charlottenburg [note spelling!], which is part of Berlin. (There *is* a Charlottenberg in Hessen, but it had a population of under 200 in the 1930's, so I'm going to assume you meant the one in Berlin.) You might also share with us the names of her parents. Does she have any old passports of theirs, or other papers? There's more than one researcher listed on the JewishGen Family Finder who's into MICHAELIS/Berlin, and you can contact them with a query--that's why they're listed. Best of luck, and keep in touch! Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ ...whose mother was born in Charlottenburg, too! Lorraine Garcia wrote:
I'm wondering if I can perhaps get some guidance in this particular
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German SIG #Germany Re: Seek advice about MICHAELIS ancestors just recognized as Jewish
#germany
Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
Dear Lorraine:
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There have been many Jews with the surname MICHAELIS. Someone named Max Paul MICHAELIS may have been Jewish--or not. That he was murdered by Nazi criminals doesn't make him Jewish, of course--the Nazis found lots of people to murder. You may indeed have Jewish ancestors, and I wish you all the best of luck in your research--no matter what the outcome. But: What Internet checking told you that the name MICHAELIS is Jewish? I just did some myself, and found tons of Gentile MICHAELISes in Germany. For starters, there's always the phone book. www.dastelefonbuch.de gives you the whole country at a glance. There are businesses and multiple listings, so take their counts and divide by two. 400+ listings for MICHAELIS in Berlin; 182 in Hamburg; 87 in Bremen; and so on. And that's in 2005! Next, hop over to www.familysearch.org and search for the name in Germany. Again, lots of listings. Many are baptismal records. Many more come >from before 1800, when very few Jews had surnames at all. The name MICHAELIS is a Latinized possessive: "of Michael." It's always used when referring to a church of St. Michael: that's a Michaelis-Kirche. Latinized names are not uncommon in Germany: the composer Michael PRAETORIUS was Michael SCHULZE before he translated himself. Some even used Greek, like Luther's colleague Philipp MELANCHTHON (black earth), who was Philipp SCHWARZERD (black earth) to his parents. In general, there are hardly any surnames that, by themselves, indicate a high probability that a person or his/her ancestry was Jewish. That's true in Germany and elsewhere. The only reliable exceptions are rare surnames that were only used by one family, where that family was Jewish. There are several names I've worked with that most likely fall into that category--but they obviously won't ever add up to a large percentage of the population. That said, you should contact the Standesamt (registry office) in Charlottenburg [note spelling!], which is part of Berlin. (There *is* a Charlottenberg in Hessen, but it had a population of under 200 in the 1930's, so I'm going to assume you meant the one in Berlin.) You might also share with us the names of her parents. Does she have any old passports of theirs, or other papers? There's more than one researcher listed on the JewishGen Family Finder who's into MICHAELIS/Berlin, and you can contact them with a query--that's why they're listed. Best of luck, and keep in touch! Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ ...whose mother was born in Charlottenburg, too! Lorraine Garcia wrote:
I'm wondering if I can perhaps get some guidance in this particular
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