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Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Jules Levin
 

"Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote
...
This is about what I understood, yet Holland had quite a reputation
for saving its Jews; PR is a wonderful thing.
Speaking of PR, France is the WWII champ. French police arrested my wife's parents on
the Swiss border [we obtained the arrest records-- written in French, i.e., not German]
and shipped them to the Auschwitz-bound transport hub in Paris. I don't think that
Germans trusted even the Poles to operate under guise of authority without supervision.

As for Bulgarians, Albanians, Hungarians, Italians, etc., in general Jews in Axis-allied
countries survived better than in the occupied countries. Finland had a Jew on its
General Staff--refused to get rid of him when the German liaison told them to. One
shul I went to in LA had a shamas who was in a Rumanian labor battalion during the
war; he survived as a war prisoner in a Soviet prison camp. My wife's Berlin aunt
survived when an Italian government official who had met her before the war went to
Berlin, found her, and married her to get her back to Italy. He remained at his gov't
post throughout the war (and afterward!). I think that, with the noted variations others
have discussed, Axis allies could demonstrate their "independence" by protecting "their"
Jews in a way that the occupied nations could not. As for Denmark, the Scandinavian
countries and some others were regarded as candidates for Aryan status, and the
punishments for protecting Jews were less severe than they were in Poland, Ukraine, etc.
This is why I never get into the country-comparing game that some Jews indulge in--
*my* country was better for the Jews than *your* country!
Happy New Year to all Genners.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles


TRANSLATION OF NAME PLEASE #lithuania

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Hi Siggers,

I came across a passenger record I believe might be a new-found
relative. In order to confirm a relationship, I need to know the
father's name which is under the category of Contact at Last Residence
column. It reads: "father [given name] Adelson, Baltimans". Could someone
kindly translate the given name which looks like "Obaje", but that's not a
name I've ever come across and it's not on the Jewisgen name database.

You can view it at http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
and click on VM6942.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ADELSON, GORDON, PERCZIK (Nemajouni; Butrimantz; Meretz; Aran)

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Jules Levin
 

"Stan Goodman" <SPAM_FOILER@hashkedim.com> wrote
...
This is about what I understood, yet Holland had quite a reputation
for saving its Jews; PR is a wonderful thing.
Speaking of PR, France is the WWII champ. French police arrested my wife's parents on
the Swiss border [we obtained the arrest records-- written in French, i.e., not German]
and shipped them to the Auschwitz-bound transport hub in Paris. I don't think that
Germans trusted even the Poles to operate under guise of authority without supervision.

As for Bulgarians, Albanians, Hungarians, Italians, etc., in general Jews in Axis-allied
countries survived better than in the occupied countries. Finland had a Jew on its
General Staff--refused to get rid of him when the German liaison told them to. One
shul I went to in LA had a shamas who was in a Rumanian labor battalion during the
war; he survived as a war prisoner in a Soviet prison camp. My wife's Berlin aunt
survived when an Italian government official who had met her before the war went to
Berlin, found her, and married her to get her back to Italy. He remained at his gov't
post throughout the war (and afterward!). I think that, with the noted variations others
have discussed, Axis allies could demonstrate their "independence" by protecting "their"
Jews in a way that the occupied nations could not. As for Denmark, the Scandinavian
countries and some others were regarded as candidates for Aryan status, and the
punishments for protecting Jews were less severe than they were in Poland, Ukraine, etc.
This is why I never get into the country-comparing game that some Jews indulge in--
*my* country was better for the Jews than *your* country!
Happy New Year to all Genners.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania TRANSLATION OF NAME PLEASE #lithuania

B. Frederics <picturethisfilm@...>
 

Hi Siggers,

I came across a passenger record I believe might be a new-found
relative. In order to confirm a relationship, I need to know the
father's name which is under the category of Contact at Last Residence
column. It reads: "father [given name] Adelson, Baltimans". Could someone
kindly translate the given name which looks like "Obaje", but that's not a
name I've ever come across and it's not on the Jewisgen name database.

You can view it at http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
and click on VM6942.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Bonnie Frederics
Tucson, AZ
picturethisfilm@email.com
Seeking: ADELSON, GORDON, PERCZIK (Nemajouni; Butrimantz; Meretz; Aran)

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Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Michael A Kassner <mikehanna@...>
 

Stan,

I have a book titled _The Holocaust_ (the fate of European
Jewry) Written by: Leni Yahil. This book should be available >from
any large city library. If you can't locate this book you can
purchase it >from Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-9-504522-X. The
pages that concern the Bulgaria Jews are from: 578 thru 587.

Michael (SMITH) Kassner
Valparaiso, Indiana

Searching SMITH >from Russia,Boston,Iowa,Minn, and Chicago,IL


Birth Record of Zhurich Baum - Polish Translation #poland

Ron Russ <rsruss@...>
 

I didn't know if anyone is willing to translate this record or not,
but I figured I'd post them and see. The ViewMate number is VM6954 and
the URL for ViewMate is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

The contents are supposed to be the birth record of Zorych Baum >from 1858
and are in Polish. Please send responses to rsruss@comcast.net

BTW, thanks to everyone who has translated items for me in the past.
It is much appreciated. Thanks in advance to those who work on this one.

Ron Russ
rsruss@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Michael A Kassner <mikehanna@...>
 

Stan,

I have a book titled _The Holocaust_ (the fate of European
Jewry) Written by: Leni Yahil. This book should be available >from
any large city library. If you can't locate this book you can
purchase it >from Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-9-504522-X. The
pages that concern the Bulgaria Jews are from: 578 thru 587.

Michael (SMITH) Kassner
Valparaiso, Indiana

Searching SMITH >from Russia,Boston,Iowa,Minn, and Chicago,IL


JRI Poland #Poland Birth Record of Zhurich Baum - Polish Translation #poland

Ron Russ <rsruss@...>
 

I didn't know if anyone is willing to translate this record or not,
but I figured I'd post them and see. The ViewMate number is VM6954 and
the URL for ViewMate is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.

The contents are supposed to be the birth record of Zorych Baum >from 1858
and are in Polish. Please send responses to rsruss@comcast.net

BTW, thanks to everyone who has translated items for me in the past.
It is much appreciated. Thanks in advance to those who work on this one.

Ron Russ
rsruss@comcast.net


Re: Old photos of non-relations #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Robert:
Have you contacted the college? Some schools have a keen sense of
history and would be grateful for items that can be associated with an
individual, a date, and a place.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

researching Upper Silesia and giving it the old college try...

Robert Dodell wrote:


I have old photos of my grandfather. Many include friends >from
college years (1920s). No one in the family has any idea who they
are. I have no need to preserve them, but I don't want to discard
them either. Suggestions?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Old photos of non-relations #general

Roger Lustig <julierog@...>
 

Robert:
Have you contacted the college? Some schools have a keen sense of
history and would be grateful for items that can be associated with an
individual, a date, and a place.

Roger Lustig
Princeton, NJ

researching Upper Silesia and giving it the old college try...

Robert Dodell wrote:


I have old photos of my grandfather. Many include friends >from
college years (1920s). No one in the family has any idea who they
are. I have no need to preserve them, but I don't want to discard
them either. Suggestions?


Re: Old photos of non-relations #general

גירון
 

Hello ,
I would like to add another option to those already sugested:
If the photos are >from a university or any gathering of an assosiacion (
synagoge, or other)
It might be intersing for taht university or assosiation to exhibit them in
their library /museum

Nava Giron
Israel


EIDB- Deciphering a Place Name #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899.

The place of origin is given as ZATRN. Upon looking at
the original manifest I realized that it is ZAB??.
As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The
first thing which comes to mind is ZABNO but I need an
experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a
better solution.

Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Old photos of non-relations #general

גירון
 

Hello ,
I would like to add another option to those already sugested:
If the photos are >from a university or any gathering of an assosiacion (
synagoge, or other)
It might be intersing for taht university or assosiation to exhibit them in
their library /museum

Nava Giron
Israel


JRI Poland #Poland EIDB- Deciphering a Place Name #poland

Abuwasta Abuwasta
 

I looked at EIDB for Salomon Perlberg who arrived with
his 3 children on June 6th,1899.

The place of origin is given as ZATRN. Upon looking at
the original manifest I realized that it is ZAB??.
As far as I know they are >from the Tarnow area. The
first thing which comes to mind is ZABNO but I need an
experienced eye to confirm/refute or to come with a
better solution.

Thanks.
Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

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Of What Use Old Photographs #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Robert & Cousins,

I get this terribly empty feeling feeling in my stomach when I think of
throwing old photographs away... So my solution would be this: if you're
going to make a "book" of some sort, which we all plan to do, or do
periodically, to share with our family, put these photos in simply to show
representative appearances of people in that time, at that place. In some
ineffable way, your more imaginative family members might even try to guess
at who these people were, what adventures they had with your grandfather.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

BELKIN (Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai & ? Lithuania), MELNICK, LIBERMAN
ha COHEN, WEISBERG (Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo, Montreal), ORLIN
(Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves, Zasliai), MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN haLevi,
HABERMAN, WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim, Derechin, Palestine), WOLINSKY
(Boguslav, Odessa, Alexandria, Palestine, Melbourne, Atlantic City,
Philadelphia, NY), ADELSON (Wysokidwor, Trakai), KABATCHNIK/FINN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Of What Use Old Photographs #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Robert & Cousins,

I get this terribly empty feeling feeling in my stomach when I think of
throwing old photographs away... So my solution would be this: if you're
going to make a "book" of some sort, which we all plan to do, or do
periodically, to share with our family, put these photos in simply to show
representative appearances of people in that time, at that place. In some
ineffable way, your more imaginative family members might even try to guess
at who these people were, what adventures they had with your grandfather.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ

BELKIN (Boguslav, Odessa), BOIM (Zasliai & ? Lithuania), MELNICK, LIBERMAN
ha COHEN, WEISBERG (Dvorets, Pinsk, Pochopovo, Montreal), ORLIN
(Boguslaviskis, Vilnius, Vieves, Zasliai), MEREMINSKY, EPSTEIN haLevi,
HABERMAN, WOLFOWITZ, ZELIVANSKY (Slonim, Derechin, Palestine), WOLINSKY
(Boguslav, Odessa, Alexandria, Palestine, Melbourne, Atlantic City,
Philadelphia, NY), ADELSON (Wysokidwor, Trakai), KABATCHNIK/FINN


Identify Streets and Buildings on Aerial Map of Wyszkow from 1944 #poland

Howard Orenstein
 

Using info >from a contemporary map of Wyszkow, I superimposed the
names of some streets on an aerial map >from 1944 (see link below).
This photo is large (2.2 MB) and was taken by the German Army.
Stanley Diamond procured it >from the U.S. National Archives
Cartographic Section of the Special Media Archives Services Division
(NWCS). If you can name other streets, as well as buildings, please
let me know privately.

http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/
WyszkowAerialPhoto1944Streets.jpg

--
Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D.

Westminster, MD 21157
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu


JRI Poland #Poland Identify Streets and Buildings on Aerial Map of Wyszkow from 1944 #poland

Howard Orenstein
 

Using info >from a contemporary map of Wyszkow, I superimposed the
names of some streets on an aerial map >from 1944 (see link below).
This photo is large (2.2 MB) and was taken by the German Army.
Stanley Diamond procured it >from the U.S. National Archives
Cartographic Section of the Special Media Archives Services Division
(NWCS). If you can name other streets, as well as buildings, please
let me know privately.

http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Psychology/HBO/
WyszkowAerialPhoto1944Streets.jpg

--
Howard B. Orenstein, Ph.D.

Westminster, MD 21157
horenstein@mcdaniel.edu


Re: Old photos of non-relatives #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

I had a very satisfying (& productive) experience along those lines. A year
or so ago I posted a group pix of my father taken in the late '40's or
early '50's in Birmingham, England, where he (and the family) lived. The
pix was posted to the British-Jewry online newsgroup (a great group of
people, BTW). The outcome was that 2 or 3 men in England who read my
posting were able not only to identify their family members - fathers or
(in one case) uncle in the photo but to identify all of the other men in
the pix. One of them showed the pix to his "mates"at the Singers Hill shul
in Birmingham, of which my family were long-term members. Another one
contacted a friend of his (who grew up in Birmingham but who had moved
away) who was able to identify *his" father as one of the men in the pix.

Just before the First World War, my father was a member of the B'ham branch
of the Jewish Lads' Brigade (since renamed the Lads and Girls Brigade). The
pix included former members of the Brigade and was (I was told) possibly
taken at the old Jewish community center in Birmingham. Most of the men
(like my father) were in the clothing business.

So - don't discard old pix of "non-relatives" -- someone (searching for
long-lost relatives) may be able to identify all of those (hitherto
unknown) faces for you! Think of it as a possible mitzvah!

Naidia Woolf
rnwoolf@earthlink.net
San Francisco, CA
Formerly >from Birmingham, England

Researching:
DROZDIAS (or variants) - Karczew, Poland; England
ISAACS, family of Solomon and Sarah - Poland (town unknown), Birmingham,
England RAUS - Karczew, Poland; England
KUJAWSKI (family of Szya Wolf KUJAWSKI) - Lodz, Poland, Birmingham, England
SHORN, family of Morris & Yetta - Poland (town unknown), London, England
SUPERSTAYN/SAFIRSTEIN (or variants) - Karczew, Poland; England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Old photos of non-relatives #general

Naidia Woolf <rnwoolf@...>
 

I had a very satisfying (& productive) experience along those lines. A year
or so ago I posted a group pix of my father taken in the late '40's or
early '50's in Birmingham, England, where he (and the family) lived. The
pix was posted to the British-Jewry online newsgroup (a great group of
people, BTW). The outcome was that 2 or 3 men in England who read my
posting were able not only to identify their family members - fathers or
(in one case) uncle in the photo but to identify all of the other men in
the pix. One of them showed the pix to his "mates"at the Singers Hill shul
in Birmingham, of which my family were long-term members. Another one
contacted a friend of his (who grew up in Birmingham but who had moved
away) who was able to identify *his" father as one of the men in the pix.

Just before the First World War, my father was a member of the B'ham branch
of the Jewish Lads' Brigade (since renamed the Lads and Girls Brigade). The
pix included former members of the Brigade and was (I was told) possibly
taken at the old Jewish community center in Birmingham. Most of the men
(like my father) were in the clothing business.

So - don't discard old pix of "non-relatives" -- someone (searching for
long-lost relatives) may be able to identify all of those (hitherto
unknown) faces for you! Think of it as a possible mitzvah!

Naidia Woolf
rnwoolf@earthlink.net
San Francisco, CA
Formerly >from Birmingham, England

Researching:
DROZDIAS (or variants) - Karczew, Poland; England
ISAACS, family of Solomon and Sarah - Poland (town unknown), Birmingham,
England RAUS - Karczew, Poland; England
KUJAWSKI (family of Szya Wolf KUJAWSKI) - Lodz, Poland, Birmingham, England
SHORN, family of Morris & Yetta - Poland (town unknown), London, England
SUPERSTAYN/SAFIRSTEIN (or variants) - Karczew, Poland; England