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To Genners in Los Angeles, California #ukraine

Yael & Barry <ydriver@...>
 

This is a message to Genners living in Los-Angeles.

For some time now I have had difficulties in communicating with
"Home of Peace Memorial Park" - a Jewish cemetery located (I believe)
on Whittier Boulevard, L.A., CA

I have telephoned and e-mailed the man in charge for assistance in
obtaining photos of 2 headstones of family members buried at this
cemetery. Unfortunately, and I am not sure why, I have had no response
whatsoever.

I would therefore be very grateful if there is a Genner living nearby
who would be prepared to visit the cemetery and take the two relevant
photos. Needless to say that I expect to pay for all relevant expenses.

If you live nearby this cemetery and can spare the time to help, please
e-mail me at the address below, and I will give you more particulars.

Thank you in advance

Yael Driver
ydguard-general@...

Moderator's Note: Address, telephone number and name redacted. anyone who
is willing to helkp can get specifics >from Yael.


Translation help #ukraine

Raymond Cannata <cannata2@...>
 

I'm wondering if anyone can help me translate an inscription on the back of
a 1913 photo >from Elizavetgrad (Kirovograd), Kherson? It appears to be in
Yiddish and my Russian friend could not make any sense of it.

Ray Cannata
NJ
Cannata2@...

TSIUBELEVSKY / SIEBEL, FULNEROW / FELZEROW, POBERJESKY / POBER, DASHEVSKY,
RUBEL, TROTSKY >from Elizavetgrad (Kirovograd), Kherson, Ukraine
KIRSNER, BRAVER >from Orla, Grodno-area, Lida, Belarus.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine To Genners in Los Angeles, California #ukraine

Yael & Barry <ydriver@...>
 

This is a message to Genners living in Los-Angeles.

For some time now I have had difficulties in communicating with
"Home of Peace Memorial Park" - a Jewish cemetery located (I believe)
on Whittier Boulevard, L.A., CA

I have telephoned and e-mailed the man in charge for assistance in
obtaining photos of 2 headstones of family members buried at this
cemetery. Unfortunately, and I am not sure why, I have had no response
whatsoever.

I would therefore be very grateful if there is a Genner living nearby
who would be prepared to visit the cemetery and take the two relevant
photos. Needless to say that I expect to pay for all relevant expenses.

If you live nearby this cemetery and can spare the time to help, please
e-mail me at the address below, and I will give you more particulars.

Thank you in advance

Yael Driver
ydguard-general@...

Moderator's Note: Address, telephone number and name redacted. anyone who
is willing to helkp can get specifics >from Yael.


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Translation help #ukraine

Raymond Cannata <cannata2@...>
 

I'm wondering if anyone can help me translate an inscription on the back of
a 1913 photo >from Elizavetgrad (Kirovograd), Kherson? It appears to be in
Yiddish and my Russian friend could not make any sense of it.

Ray Cannata
NJ
Cannata2@...

TSIUBELEVSKY / SIEBEL, FULNEROW / FELZEROW, POBERJESKY / POBER, DASHEVSKY,
RUBEL, TROTSKY >from Elizavetgrad (Kirovograd), Kherson, Ukraine
KIRSNER, BRAVER >from Orla, Grodno-area, Lida, Belarus.


Jewish Agricultural Colonies in the Ukraine - site update #ukraine

Chaim freedman
 

In the last two months considerable material has been added to the site
"Jewish Agricultural Colonies in the Ukraine"
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm

1) Colonists lists:
People who moved >from Kovno Gubernia to Grafskoy (1850-1852)
People who moved >from Vitebsk Gubernia to Novozlatopol (1850-1852).

2) Photographs >from Yad VaShem valley of communities listing the colonies
and adjacent towns and villages.

3) "The Interlocking Melbourne Russians". Published in Roots-Key, Newsletter
of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles10 May 2005.

4) A bread dish presented to Nicholas II by Jewish farmers.

5) Incredible new discovery: A photograph of the Mass Grave of the victims
of the pogrom in Trudoliubovka in 1919.

6) Berger Report about trip to city of Ekaterinoslav and colonies of
Guliaipole district in the period November 24 – December 3 1924 giving
details of the condition of the Sovietized colonies.

7) List of over 700 Holocaust victims killed in Novozlatopol, and report of
the Soviet Committee of enquiry.


8) Holocaust reports >from Zatishye, Berdyansk and Mariupol.


8) A link to Efingar colony page ( in Russian) which was added to
Shtetllinks.

Further material is being processed.
Comments are welcome.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...

Webmaster:
Pavel Bernshtam
Rehovot, Israel
javaap@...


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Jewish Agricultural Colonies in the Ukraine - site update #ukraine

Chaim freedman
 

In the last two months considerable material has been added to the site
"Jewish Agricultural Colonies in the Ukraine"
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/Colonies_of_Ukraine/index.htm

1) Colonists lists:
People who moved >from Kovno Gubernia to Grafskoy (1850-1852)
People who moved >from Vitebsk Gubernia to Novozlatopol (1850-1852).

2) Photographs >from Yad VaShem valley of communities listing the colonies
and adjacent towns and villages.

3) "The Interlocking Melbourne Russians". Published in Roots-Key, Newsletter
of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles10 May 2005.

4) A bread dish presented to Nicholas II by Jewish farmers.

5) Incredible new discovery: A photograph of the Mass Grave of the victims
of the pogrom in Trudoliubovka in 1919.

6) Berger Report about trip to city of Ekaterinoslav and colonies of
Guliaipole district in the period November 24 – December 3 1924 giving
details of the condition of the Sovietized colonies.

7) List of over 700 Holocaust victims killed in Novozlatopol, and report of
the Soviet Committee of enquiry.


8) Holocaust reports >from Zatishye, Berdyansk and Mariupol.


8) A link to Efingar colony page ( in Russian) which was added to
Shtetllinks.

Further material is being processed.
Comments are welcome.

Chaim Freedman
Petah Tikvah, Israel
chaimjan@...

Webmaster:
Pavel Bernshtam
Rehovot, Israel
javaap@...


translation help #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

Below is a link to an 1882 marriage record, for a couple in the Tarnogrod
area. I would really like some translation help and would like to learn
more about the groom, his age, occupation, where he was born and resided,
his mother's first name (last word on line 16), etc..

If time permits, I'd also like to learn more about the bride, especially her
parent's names and mother's maiden name, and the town she was from.



http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6415


Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine translation help #ukraine

TE <tome1111@...>
 

Below is a link to an 1882 marriage record, for a couple in the Tarnogrod
area. I would really like some translation help and would like to learn
more about the groom, his age, occupation, where he was born and resided,
his mother's first name (last word on line 16), etc..

If time permits, I'd also like to learn more about the bride, especially her
parent's names and mother's maiden name, and the town she was from.



http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6415


Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA


Etymology of the name KRAVITZ #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Aizic Sechter wrote:

the name KRAVITZ which has a Slavic ring is also a Hebrew acronym
for a verse >from Psalms. "Kol Rina Ve Yeshua Be Ohalei Tzadikim."
Which we also recite in the holiday Halel prayer.

We are lucky that these ancestors left in writing the reason why
they chose these >names, otherwise we would never have known why these names were
chosen and would have given different, wild but not correct theories as some have
done in this discussion.
Dear Aizic,

This is a perfect example of a folk-etymology -- and a very
instructive example of how easily these charming traditions can arise!

In actual fact, the name KRAVITZ (more correctly spelled Kraviec
and (pronounced Kraviets) is Polish for tailor! The name is thus
just one among many surnames that reflect an ancestral occupation and
clearly did not originate as an acronym of the verse >from Psalm 118
quoted above. Moreover, the initial letters of the words >from the
psalms (qof-resh-vav-bet-tzaddi) do not spell KRAVITZ correctly in
either Hebrew or Yiddish, so the acronym is not in fact reflected in
the name.

The initial letters of the phrase >from Psalm 118,
qof-resh-vav-bet-tzaddi, would have had to be tampered with to
produce a spelling that would accurately represent either in Hebrew
or in Yiddish the precise sounds in the name K-R_A-V-I-TZ -- for
instance, by changing the vav of "vi-yeshuah" to an aleph to get
the "A" sound in the first syllable of KRAVITZ, and adding a yod
after the bet of "be-oholei" to get the "i" sound in the second
syllable. Furthermore, the name KRAVITZ when written in Yiddish would
presumably be spelled with a double vav and not a bet at all.

This particular folk-etymology is fascinating for another reason
also: it could neve have evolved but for the fact that the sounds
"B" and "V" are rendered by the same alphabet character in
Cyrillic. Otherwise there would have been no reason to associate the
V sound in KRAVITZ with the B sound in "B'Oholei" in the quoted
verse >from Psalms.

The message does not state with clarity exactly who it was that left
the written record of the reason for the name KRAVITZ. I wonder
whether the person who "left in writing the reason why *they* chose
these names" was actually the person who originally adopted the
surname Z because of the legal requirement. I I think it is far
more likely he was a descendant of the original KRAVITZ who was
simply recording a tradition he had he had heard >from an elder. In
other words, the association of the name with the verse >from Psalms
arose later, at some point after the name had actually been adopted.
The original reason for that choice of name was the occupation,
namely, tailor.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Etymology of the name KRAVITZ #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

Aizic Sechter wrote:

the name KRAVITZ which has a Slavic ring is also a Hebrew acronym
for a verse >from Psalms. "Kol Rina Ve Yeshua Be Ohalei Tzadikim."
Which we also recite in the holiday Halel prayer.

We are lucky that these ancestors left in writing the reason why
they chose these >names, otherwise we would never have known why these names were
chosen and would have given different, wild but not correct theories as some have
done in this discussion.
Dear Aizic,

This is a perfect example of a folk-etymology -- and a very
instructive example of how easily these charming traditions can arise!

In actual fact, the name KRAVITZ (more correctly spelled Kraviec
and (pronounced Kraviets) is Polish for tailor! The name is thus
just one among many surnames that reflect an ancestral occupation and
clearly did not originate as an acronym of the verse >from Psalm 118
quoted above. Moreover, the initial letters of the words >from the
psalms (qof-resh-vav-bet-tzaddi) do not spell KRAVITZ correctly in
either Hebrew or Yiddish, so the acronym is not in fact reflected in
the name.

The initial letters of the phrase >from Psalm 118,
qof-resh-vav-bet-tzaddi, would have had to be tampered with to
produce a spelling that would accurately represent either in Hebrew
or in Yiddish the precise sounds in the name K-R_A-V-I-TZ -- for
instance, by changing the vav of "vi-yeshuah" to an aleph to get
the "A" sound in the first syllable of KRAVITZ, and adding a yod
after the bet of "be-oholei" to get the "i" sound in the second
syllable. Furthermore, the name KRAVITZ when written in Yiddish would
presumably be spelled with a double vav and not a bet at all.

This particular folk-etymology is fascinating for another reason
also: it could neve have evolved but for the fact that the sounds
"B" and "V" are rendered by the same alphabet character in
Cyrillic. Otherwise there would have been no reason to associate the
V sound in KRAVITZ with the B sound in "B'Oholei" in the quoted
verse >from Psalms.

The message does not state with clarity exactly who it was that left
the written record of the reason for the name KRAVITZ. I wonder
whether the person who "left in writing the reason why *they* chose
these names" was actually the person who originally adopted the
surname Z because of the legal requirement. I I think it is far
more likely he was a descendant of the original KRAVITZ who was
simply recording a tradition he had he had heard >from an elder. In
other words, the association of the name with the verse >from Psalms
arose later, at some point after the name had actually been adopted.
The original reason for that choice of name was the occupation,
namely, tailor.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@...


Prezmysl Orphanage #general

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you

Here is a list of people who were conected to the orphanege in Przemysl
before world war 2. If by any chance one of them is still alive please
conect me.

Here are the names: Maurycy BRIEFER, Dr. Bernard GANS, Dr. Jakob GLANZ, Dr.
Joachim GOLDFARB, Dr. Leo and Leonora PROBSTEIN, Moshe SCHEINBACH, Mina
MINTZ, Maria MESTER, Jakob HIRSCHFELD, Rabbi SCHMELKES, Roza and Henryk
BLATT, Deborah CITRON, Rosa DIAMANT, Bertha GANS, Dr. Leib LANDAU, Lola
MANTEL, and Adella MARGULIES.

Thanks

Arieh Mayer
Haifa Israel
meir1935@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Prezmysl Orphanage #general

arie meir
 

Hi to all of you

Here is a list of people who were conected to the orphanege in Przemysl
before world war 2. If by any chance one of them is still alive please
conect me.

Here are the names: Maurycy BRIEFER, Dr. Bernard GANS, Dr. Jakob GLANZ, Dr.
Joachim GOLDFARB, Dr. Leo and Leonora PROBSTEIN, Moshe SCHEINBACH, Mina
MINTZ, Maria MESTER, Jakob HIRSCHFELD, Rabbi SCHMELKES, Roza and Henryk
BLATT, Deborah CITRON, Rosa DIAMANT, Bertha GANS, Dr. Leib LANDAU, Lola
MANTEL, and Adella MARGULIES.

Thanks

Arieh Mayer
Haifa Israel
meir1935@...


Re: Jewish surnames #belarus

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

In a message dated 7/2/2005 12:08:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
a.sharon@... writes:

Where is this story "about the myth that Jews had to pay for a good names",
came from?
When I contacted two unrelated families (NEUHAHN and FRIEDSAM) in Germany
who had the same surnames I am researching, I was told by both of them they are
Christian and that their family lore was that when Jews had to adopt
surnames, they paid their families for the use of their names.

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER,
ROTHSTEIN, HAMBURGER(Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia)
BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas),
KAHN/KOHN/COHN/CAHN, FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ, GERSHIKEVICH


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish surnames #general

Connie Fisher Newhan
 

In a message dated 7/2/2005 12:08:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
a.sharon@... writes:

Where is this story "about the myth that Jews had to pay for a good names",
came from?
When I contacted two unrelated families (NEUHAHN and FRIEDSAM) in Germany
who had the same surnames I am researching, I was told by both of them they are
Christian and that their family lore was that when Jews had to adopt
surnames, they paid their families for the use of their names.

Best Regards,
Connie Fisher Newhan (#1272)
Corona, California
FISHER/FISCHER/FISZER, FISZEL (Warszawa& Bedzin, Poland),S(Z)PRINGER,
ROTHSTEIN, HAMBURGER(Bedzin, Lagiza, Zarki, Poland), GERSTEN (Obertyn, Galacia)
BARSKA/BARSKY/BARSKIY(Odessa), GOLDBERG (Sokolka?), FELDMAN (Veliuona,Kaunas),
KAHN/KOHN/COHN/CAHN, FRIEDSAM (Bodendorf, Coln? Germany, Pittsburgh, PA),
NEWHAN/NEUHAN/NEUHAHN (Hesse Cassel, Meimbressen, Germany, Baltimore, MD),
BOHORODCZANER (Potok Zloty, Ukraine), LEVINE, BLUM, ROTH, ROCKOVITZ, ABRAMS,
RABINOWITZ, GERSHIKEVICH


Re: SHNEORSON #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I have a R Nachum (#13603 in Otzar Harabanim), son of R Dov Ber, the
'Mittler Rebbe'. He married his niece Sarah Freida, daughter of R
Nachum's sister, Dvorah Leah, and her husband R Yaakov Yisrael of
Cherkas (#10188 in Otzar Harabanim). R Yaakov Yisrael was a son of R
Mordechai of Chernoble.

I don't have a source listed, but most likely it came >from 'Ymei Chabad',
a book that has various important dates in the history of Chabad.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

Please note my new e-mail address

Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN / ZYSSMAN - Lowicz Poland =20
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin

On 7/6/05, Y. Klausner < yklaus@... > wrote:

Dear Genners,
I would appreciate any information about the father of Rabbi Nachum Yosef
SHNEORSON. Nachum Yosef SHNEORSON was a grandson of Rabbi Shlomo Zalman of
Liadi.
Thank you Yehuda
Dr. Yehuda Klausner
yklaus@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SHNEORSON #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

I have a R Nachum (#13603 in Otzar Harabanim), son of R Dov Ber, the
'Mittler Rebbe'. He married his niece Sarah Freida, daughter of R
Nachum's sister, Dvorah Leah, and her husband R Yaakov Yisrael of
Cherkas (#10188 in Otzar Harabanim). R Yaakov Yisrael was a son of R
Mordechai of Chernoble.

I don't have a source listed, but most likely it came >from 'Ymei Chabad',
a book that has various important dates in the history of Chabad.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel

Please note my new e-mail address

Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN / ZYSSMAN - Lowicz Poland =20
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin

On 7/6/05, Y. Klausner < yklaus@... > wrote:

Dear Genners,
I would appreciate any information about the father of Rabbi Nachum Yosef
SHNEORSON. Nachum Yosef SHNEORSON was a grandson of Rabbi Shlomo Zalman of
Liadi.
Thank you Yehuda
Dr. Yehuda Klausner
yklaus@...


Re: A family visit from South Africa to USA in 1938 #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Forgot to include in my prior message that another innovation in train
travel occurred during the period discussed and that was the development of
the streamlined stainless steel intercontinental trains which crossed
America. One of these, "The Zephyr", which was owned by the Chicago,
Burlington & Quincy Railroad, was put into service >from Chicago to
Minneapolis during this period and it cut substantial time off the route.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica RE: A family visit from South Africa to USA in 1938 #southafrica

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Forgot to include in my prior message that another innovation in train
travel occurred during the period discussed and that was the development of
the streamlined stainless steel intercontinental trains which crossed
America. One of these, "The Zephyr", which was owned by the Chicago,
Burlington & Quincy Railroad, was put into service >from Chicago to
Minneapolis during this period and it cut substantial time off the route.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@...


St Louis passengers in England #unitedkingdom

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

I am assisting the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in trying to find out more
about some passengers on the "St Louis". Some passengers were
sent to England after the ship went back to Europe. Some left and went to
the U.S. Others remained in England, but nothing is known about what
ultimately
happened to these people after they were sent to England in 1939. All we
have are DOB and POB, and they interested in anything about their ultimate
fate, where they died and if there are records of their burials in England.
I have not been able to find anything in the jGSGB databases nor on
Jewishgen burials.If anyone has any niformation please contact me privately.

Saul Issroff
saul@...


St Louis passengers sent to England

Beifuss, Alfred 5/7/1890 Laasphe, Germany

Beifuss, Emma 8/19/1893 Frankfurt am Main

Haber, Nathan 1/26/1890 Dora, Ukraine

Hoffmann, Cilly/Zilly 9/10/1874 Wilhermsdorf, Germany

Hoffmann, Emma 12/14/1874 Priesen, Germany

Marcus, Freidrich 4/4/1889 Altona, Germany

Ryndsionski, Ferdinand 1/31/1916 Stuttgart, Germany

Schoeps, Beate 1/6/1938 Berlin, Germany

Schott, Else 4/5/1903 Krefeld, Germany

Turkowicz, Joel 10/4/1889 Liebno, Germany

Turkowicz, Helene 4/17/1891 Rozwadow, Austria-Hungary

Weiser, Chawa 7/12/1883 Nowosielitza, Austria-Hungary


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom St Louis passengers in England #unitedkingdom

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

I am assisting the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in trying to find out more
about some passengers on the "St Louis". Some passengers were
sent to England after the ship went back to Europe. Some left and went to
the U.S. Others remained in England, but nothing is known about what
ultimately
happened to these people after they were sent to England in 1939. All we
have are DOB and POB, and they interested in anything about their ultimate
fate, where they died and if there are records of their burials in England.
I have not been able to find anything in the jGSGB databases nor on
Jewishgen burials.If anyone has any niformation please contact me privately.

Saul Issroff
saul@...


St Louis passengers sent to England

Beifuss, Alfred 5/7/1890 Laasphe, Germany

Beifuss, Emma 8/19/1893 Frankfurt am Main

Haber, Nathan 1/26/1890 Dora, Ukraine

Hoffmann, Cilly/Zilly 9/10/1874 Wilhermsdorf, Germany

Hoffmann, Emma 12/14/1874 Priesen, Germany

Marcus, Freidrich 4/4/1889 Altona, Germany

Ryndsionski, Ferdinand 1/31/1916 Stuttgart, Germany

Schoeps, Beate 1/6/1938 Berlin, Germany

Schott, Else 4/5/1903 Krefeld, Germany

Turkowicz, Joel 10/4/1889 Liebno, Germany

Turkowicz, Helene 4/17/1891 Rozwadow, Austria-Hungary

Weiser, Chawa 7/12/1883 Nowosielitza, Austria-Hungary