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Researching SARVER #general

Drew Sarver <lwing16_2000@...>
 

Hello everyone,

For many years, member of my family have tried to tack my
paternal Grandfather's trip >from Bialystok to the United States.
We believe it was somewhere between 1903 and 1905. My
Grandfather, Max (app. 12 or 13 at the time), and two of his
sisters, Becky and Ida (3 or 4) accompanied him on the trip.

In addition, Max's other siblings, Louis, Gussie, and Jack came
to the US as well. All settled in New Jersey. Though he would
never talk about it, it was surmised that Max's parent died in
the pogroms of the early 1900s.

I have checked throughout Jewishgen's resources as well as Ellis
Island and have not come with anything. My conclusion is that
most likely SARVER was not the name in Poland or it was
incorrectly written down at Ellis Island (if indeed that is
where they entered the country). Also it is the feeling that
Hebrew or Polish names may have been on the records rather than
their Anglosized names.

If anyone has any hints, tips, etc., or any other useful
information, I would be very grateful if you could pass it
along.

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,

Drew Sarver
Succasunna, NJ


Follow up on pre -1826 #poland

madeleine
 

The following has been brought to my attention, but it is rare, as most Jews
were literate.

In some areas the Jewish records, in the Civil Transcripts of Roman Catholic
records, can be identified by the 'mark' made by the witnesses or principals.
Since the Jews would not make an X, if illiterate, they would often use an O
as their mark. This has been found in records >from Plock and in rare
instances in Krakow.

Madeleine Okladek


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching SARVER #general

Drew Sarver <lwing16_2000@...>
 

Hello everyone,

For many years, member of my family have tried to tack my
paternal Grandfather's trip >from Bialystok to the United States.
We believe it was somewhere between 1903 and 1905. My
Grandfather, Max (app. 12 or 13 at the time), and two of his
sisters, Becky and Ida (3 or 4) accompanied him on the trip.

In addition, Max's other siblings, Louis, Gussie, and Jack came
to the US as well. All settled in New Jersey. Though he would
never talk about it, it was surmised that Max's parent died in
the pogroms of the early 1900s.

I have checked throughout Jewishgen's resources as well as Ellis
Island and have not come with anything. My conclusion is that
most likely SARVER was not the name in Poland or it was
incorrectly written down at Ellis Island (if indeed that is
where they entered the country). Also it is the feeling that
Hebrew or Polish names may have been on the records rather than
their Anglosized names.

If anyone has any hints, tips, etc., or any other useful
information, I would be very grateful if you could pass it
along.

Thank you very much!

Sincerely,

Drew Sarver
Succasunna, NJ


JRI Poland #Poland Follow up on pre -1826 #poland

madeleine
 

The following has been brought to my attention, but it is rare, as most Jews
were literate.

In some areas the Jewish records, in the Civil Transcripts of Roman Catholic
records, can be identified by the 'mark' made by the witnesses or principals.
Since the Jews would not make an X, if illiterate, they would often use an O
as their mark. This has been found in records >from Plock and in rare
instances in Krakow.

Madeleine Okladek


Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Simon Tardell
 

Most of the information in our family histories is in the public domain
anyway. It's already "published." So you're not infringing on an
individual's privacy by passing out information to relatives that's
already in the public domain.
There's a world of difference between information being scattered in
paper archives all over the world and being readily available on the
internet (which is what is usually meant by "publishing" these days). It
is difficult to predict the kind of damage you can do to someone by
publishing on the internet ever so innocuous personal information.
That's why you should reserve the judgement call to the people
concerned. It's not just a good idea, in many countries it is the law
(EU directive 95/46/EG of 24 October 1995 on the protection of
individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the
free movement of such data). In other countries, it remains a good idea.

Simon Tardell.


Thanks re. ViewMate 6604, 6605, 6612 #poland

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

I have now received answers to my question about residences quoted in
these three records - and do not need more responses.

Thanks.

Kirsten Gradel
Nyborg, Denmark


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Simon Tardell
 

Most of the information in our family histories is in the public domain
anyway. It's already "published." So you're not infringing on an
individual's privacy by passing out information to relatives that's
already in the public domain.
There's a world of difference between information being scattered in
paper archives all over the world and being readily available on the
internet (which is what is usually meant by "publishing" these days). It
is difficult to predict the kind of damage you can do to someone by
publishing on the internet ever so innocuous personal information.
That's why you should reserve the judgement call to the people
concerned. It's not just a good idea, in many countries it is the law
(EU directive 95/46/EG of 24 October 1995 on the protection of
individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the
free movement of such data). In other countries, it remains a good idea.

Simon Tardell.


JRI Poland #Poland Thanks re. ViewMate 6604, 6605, 6612 #poland

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

I have now received answers to my question about residences quoted in
these three records - and do not need more responses.

Thanks.

Kirsten Gradel
Nyborg, Denmark


Re: King's County Clerk's Office #general

Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
 

The naturalization records that are held at the King's
County court house are indexed and available at
http://www.jgsny.org/brooknats.htm

A search there shows only one David Fass which I'm sure is
the DOI that has been sent to you.

Other naturalizations are held by NARA at Varick St. Their
contact information is:

201 Varick Street
12th Floor
New York, NY 10014
(Entrance on Houston Street, between Varick and Hudson.)

Toll-free: 1-866-840-1752 or 212-401-1620
Fax: 212-401-1638
E-mail: newyork.archives@nara.gov

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus, NJ
barbaraellman@vzavenue.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: King's County Clerk's Office #general

Barbara Ellman <barbaraellman@...>
 

The naturalization records that are held at the King's
County court house are indexed and available at
http://www.jgsny.org/brooknats.htm

A search there shows only one David Fass which I'm sure is
the DOI that has been sent to you.

Other naturalizations are held by NARA at Varick St. Their
contact information is:

201 Varick Street
12th Floor
New York, NY 10014
(Entrance on Houston Street, between Varick and Hudson.)

Toll-free: 1-866-840-1752 or 212-401-1620
Fax: 212-401-1638
E-mail: newyork.archives@nara.gov

Barbara Ellman
Secaucus, NJ
barbaraellman@vzavenue.net


Re: GenPro format #general

Sam Wolff <baalh@...>
 

Keith Martin's advice worked perfectly. Many thanks!
The tree was unfortunately somewhat disappointing.
Shows how much more I know about his family (HARAVON,
hopefully also my family as soon as I will succeed to
link the two branches up) than the person who sent it
to me!

Sam Wolff

MODERATOR NOTE: Keith Martin's advice was to download a trial
version >from http://www.genopro.com/, load the file into that
& export it as a ged file.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: GenPro format #general

Sam Wolff <baalh@...>
 

Keith Martin's advice worked perfectly. Many thanks!
The tree was unfortunately somewhat disappointing.
Shows how much more I know about his family (HARAVON,
hopefully also my family as soon as I will succeed to
link the two branches up) than the person who sent it
to me!

Sam Wolff

MODERATOR NOTE: Keith Martin's advice was to download a trial
version >from http://www.genopro.com/, load the file into that
& export it as a ged file.


2005 FEEFHS Conference #lithuania

Mike Posnick
 

Federation Of East European Family History Societies

11th International Genealogy Conference


August 19-21, 2005

Four Points by Sheraton, Saint Paul Capitol
400 North Hamline Avenue
Saint Paul, Minnesota

More than 90 Presentations by Expert Speakers, Including:

* Gary Cohen, Professor of History, University of Minnesota

* Judith R. Frazin, Immediate Past President, Jewish Genealogical Society
of Illinois

* Howard Margol, Past President, International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies

* Joanne M. Sher, Professional Genealogist and Director, Jewish Historical
Society of the Upper Midwest

* Joel Spector, Immediate Past President, Jewish Genealogical Society of
Greater Philadelphia

Open to the Public Beginners Welcome

Registration: $75.00 Friday or Saturday Only; $60.00 Sunday Only; $135.00
Entire Conference

Further Information and Registration Forms Available On-Line at
<www.feefhs.org>

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania 2005 FEEFHS Conference #lithuania

Mike Posnick
 

Federation Of East European Family History Societies

11th International Genealogy Conference


August 19-21, 2005

Four Points by Sheraton, Saint Paul Capitol
400 North Hamline Avenue
Saint Paul, Minnesota

More than 90 Presentations by Expert Speakers, Including:

* Gary Cohen, Professor of History, University of Minnesota

* Judith R. Frazin, Immediate Past President, Jewish Genealogical Society
of Illinois

* Howard Margol, Past President, International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies

* Joanne M. Sher, Professional Genealogist and Director, Jewish Historical
Society of the Upper Midwest

* Joel Spector, Immediate Past President, Jewish Genealogical Society of
Greater Philadelphia

Open to the Public Beginners Welcome

Registration: $75.00 Friday or Saturday Only; $60.00 Sunday Only; $135.00
Entire Conference

Further Information and Registration Forms Available On-Line at
<www.feefhs.org>

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota


Polish Translation Needed - Viewmate File VM6625 #poland

suejurisz@...
 

My third posting on Viewmate is the death record of Mosiek Jurysz >from
Drobin, which is Viewmate File VM6625.

The direct link to the file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6625

A translation of this document would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Sue Jurisz
New Hope, MN
USA

suejurisz@comcast.net

Searching: JURYSZ, MAJEROWICZ, NORDON, NAGRODSKI (Drobin, Plock, Sierpc).
MANOWICZ, ELBAUM, MARGOLIS (Gora Kalwaria, Kosow Lacki)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


JRI Poland #Poland Polish Translation Needed - Viewmate File VM6625 #poland

suejurisz@...
 

My third posting on Viewmate is the death record of Mosiek Jurysz >from
Drobin, which is Viewmate File VM6625.

The direct link to the file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6625

A translation of this document would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Sue Jurisz
New Hope, MN
USA

suejurisz@comcast.net

Searching: JURYSZ, MAJEROWICZ, NORDON, NAGRODSKI (Drobin, Plock, Sierpc).
MANOWICZ, ELBAUM, MARGOLIS (Gora Kalwaria, Kosow Lacki)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Photographer's marks; 1921 and 1931 Polish Census #belarus

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

I want to thank all of you who gave such positive comments on the updated
Lyakhovichi shtetl site. Its very gratifying to receive "kol hakavod" from
one's colleagues!

More importantly, people have looked at what they have to share and have
been sending images of pictures and documents! These images can be
preserved on Jewishgen in a way they can't be in a drawer in our homes or
when kept as files on our own computers. Private archival research, in which
we have invested, actually provides a better return when you can get other
people's input relevant to it.

Now I am asking for help again.
1. One of the people who sent a photo, turned it over and scanned the
photographer's mark in Cyrillic and in Latin letters on the rear. I now know
the name of a Lyakhovichi photographer, twenty-five years before the first
shows up in a business directory - "A. Brevda" took this professional
photograph in 1901. I am seeking photos and/or photographers' marks from
Lyakhovichi in any time period.
2. Another person has offered to share the archival research that he has
done. I would like to know if any one has engaged in a systematic search for
the 1921 and 1931 Polish Censuses in any archives. I would like to document
the search for civil "ZAG" records in Novogrodek powiat covering the period
between the World Wars. I would very much appreciate if any researcher has
used birth, marriage, or death records >from the Russian Empire period for
Lyakovichi, Baranovichi, or anywhere in what was Slutsk rayon, shares the
details on what they found and where they found it.

Finally a chance to offer public congratulation, in addition to my private
commendations - Logan Kleinwaks, has done and is doing an incredible job in
making scarce resources accessible with directories >from Eastern Europe. We
were pleased to be able to use the 1926 Directory's images to make our
research more inclusive and we will certainly avail ourselves of the 1928
and 1930 Directories he has just completed.


Deborah Glassman
Lyakhovichi Webmaster
historian2020@comcast.net
Elkins Park PA (just outside Philadelphia)


Polish Translation Needed - Viewmate File VM6624 #poland

suejurisz@...
 

I have just posted the birth record of Mosiek Jurysz >from Drobin, which
is Viewmate File VM6624. It is a scanned copy >from the LDS microfilm,
so it is not very clear.

The direct link to the file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6624

A translation of any part of this document would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Sue Jurisz
New Hope, MN
USA

suejurisz@comcast.net

Searching: JURYSZ, MAJEROWICZ, NORDON, NAGRODSKI (Drobin, Plock, Sierpc).
MANOWICZ, ELBAUM, MARGOLIS (Gora Kalwaria, Kosow Lacki)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Photographer's marks; 1921 and 1931 Polish Census #belarus

Deborah Glassman <dgg2020@...>
 

I want to thank all of you who gave such positive comments on the updated
Lyakhovichi shtetl site. Its very gratifying to receive "kol hakavod" from
one's colleagues!

More importantly, people have looked at what they have to share and have
been sending images of pictures and documents! These images can be
preserved on Jewishgen in a way they can't be in a drawer in our homes or
when kept as files on our own computers. Private archival research, in which
we have invested, actually provides a better return when you can get other
people's input relevant to it.

Now I am asking for help again.
1. One of the people who sent a photo, turned it over and scanned the
photographer's mark in Cyrillic and in Latin letters on the rear. I now know
the name of a Lyakhovichi photographer, twenty-five years before the first
shows up in a business directory - "A. Brevda" took this professional
photograph in 1901. I am seeking photos and/or photographers' marks from
Lyakhovichi in any time period.
2. Another person has offered to share the archival research that he has
done. I would like to know if any one has engaged in a systematic search for
the 1921 and 1931 Polish Censuses in any archives. I would like to document
the search for civil "ZAG" records in Novogrodek powiat covering the period
between the World Wars. I would very much appreciate if any researcher has
used birth, marriage, or death records >from the Russian Empire period for
Lyakovichi, Baranovichi, or anywhere in what was Slutsk rayon, shares the
details on what they found and where they found it.

Finally a chance to offer public congratulation, in addition to my private
commendations - Logan Kleinwaks, has done and is doing an incredible job in
making scarce resources accessible with directories >from Eastern Europe. We
were pleased to be able to use the 1926 Directory's images to make our
research more inclusive and we will certainly avail ourselves of the 1928
and 1930 Directories he has just completed.


Deborah Glassman
Lyakhovichi Webmaster
historian2020@comcast.net
Elkins Park PA (just outside Philadelphia)


JRI Poland #Poland Polish Translation Needed - Viewmate File VM6624 #poland

suejurisz@...
 

I have just posted the birth record of Mosiek Jurysz >from Drobin, which
is Viewmate File VM6624. It is a scanned copy >from the LDS microfilm,
so it is not very clear.

The direct link to the file is:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6624

A translation of any part of this document would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Sue Jurisz
New Hope, MN
USA

suejurisz@comcast.net

Searching: JURYSZ, MAJEROWICZ, NORDON, NAGRODSKI (Drobin, Plock, Sierpc).
MANOWICZ, ELBAUM, MARGOLIS (Gora Kalwaria, Kosow Lacki)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.