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Johann Fleischmann, Researcher in Franconia, editor of "Mesusa" #germany

MBernet@...
 

I'd like to hear >from anyone who has been helped by the research group
"Juesdische Landgemeinden an Aisch, Aurach, Ebrach und Seebach," headed by
Johann Fleischmann of Muelhausen. The area covers former Jewish communities in
14 villages and market towns, 8 cemeteries, 9 smaller communities, and 4
communities that had existed before the 19th century. They are located "under the
western shoulder" of Bamberg, between the Main and Regnitz rivers.

Has anyone received the 2004 issue of Mesusa, their research volumes?

Please communicate with me privately. Thank you.

Michael Bernet, New York < _www.mem-Ber.net_ (http://www.mem-Ber.net) >


German SIG #Germany Johann Fleischmann, Researcher in Franconia, editor of "Mesusa" #germany

MBernet@...
 

I'd like to hear >from anyone who has been helped by the research group
"Juesdische Landgemeinden an Aisch, Aurach, Ebrach und Seebach," headed by
Johann Fleischmann of Muelhausen. The area covers former Jewish communities in
14 villages and market towns, 8 cemeteries, 9 smaller communities, and 4
communities that had existed before the 19th century. They are located "under the
western shoulder" of Bamberg, between the Main and Regnitz rivers.

Has anyone received the 2004 issue of Mesusa, their research volumes?

Please communicate with me privately. Thank you.

Michael Bernet, New York < _www.mem-Ber.net_ (http://www.mem-Ber.net) >


INTRO--researching PHILIPP family from Prussia #germany

Lirio@...
 

I have just found this SIG--and I am hoping more for hints about how to find
the information I need than expecting to find it all at once.

I am a novice at genealogy, intermediate at the computer. I currently live
in the US, in Virginia. I am not Jewish but one of my great grandfathers was.
I have very little information on this family and even less knowledge about how
to go about finding more.

My great grandfather was Louis Edward PHILIPP. His father was Herman
PHILIPP, his mother Amelia. I don't know her maiden name. They left Prussia in
1871, stayed in London where my great grandfather was born in 1872. They then
emigrated to the United States by 1873. By 1890 Herman was deceased and his widow
and son were living in Detroit, Michigan. There were two others there also
who might be children (or other relatives) of Herman and Amelia, Max and
Caesar. It's even more confusing to me because his name appears French but
the one census record I have indicates Prussia as the country of origin.

Louis married out of the Jewish community and it seems there was little
contact with his side of the family after that. I only know that this family was
Jewish because my grandmother said her father was Jewish. So far I haven't
found them in immigration records; I don't know what port they entered nor
where they were before they lived in Detroit. Any suggestions? Thank you,

Barbara Thompson [CITY ??? ] Virginia USA Lirio@aol.com


German SIG #Germany INTRO--researching PHILIPP family from Prussia #germany

Lirio@...
 

I have just found this SIG--and I am hoping more for hints about how to find
the information I need than expecting to find it all at once.

I am a novice at genealogy, intermediate at the computer. I currently live
in the US, in Virginia. I am not Jewish but one of my great grandfathers was.
I have very little information on this family and even less knowledge about how
to go about finding more.

My great grandfather was Louis Edward PHILIPP. His father was Herman
PHILIPP, his mother Amelia. I don't know her maiden name. They left Prussia in
1871, stayed in London where my great grandfather was born in 1872. They then
emigrated to the United States by 1873. By 1890 Herman was deceased and his widow
and son were living in Detroit, Michigan. There were two others there also
who might be children (or other relatives) of Herman and Amelia, Max and
Caesar. It's even more confusing to me because his name appears French but
the one census record I have indicates Prussia as the country of origin.

Louis married out of the Jewish community and it seems there was little
contact with his side of the family after that. I only know that this family was
Jewish because my grandmother said her father was Jewish. So far I haven't
found them in immigration records; I don't know what port they entered nor
where they were before they lived in Detroit. Any suggestions? Thank you,

Barbara Thompson [CITY ??? ] Virginia USA Lirio@aol.com


A Yiskor book project for Alsace... #germany

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear fellow Gersiggers,

The FrenchSIG has been granted permission to translate and place on the
JewishGen Yiskor Book site a rare Yiskor Book, in French, on the
history of the Jewish community of Grussenheim (H-R) Alsace. This is
an area where I know a number of you also have roots.

We have a few translators, and a Project Coordinator in place.
However, we would still love to be able to add a few more translators,
to lighten the load for all. If there are any of you who are willing
and able to assist with this mitzvah please do contact me as soon as
possible. Many thanks,

Rosanne Leeson Co-Cooordinator FrenchSIG <rdleeson@sbcglobal.net>


German SIG #Germany A Yiskor book project for Alsace... #germany

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

Dear fellow Gersiggers,

The FrenchSIG has been granted permission to translate and place on the
JewishGen Yiskor Book site a rare Yiskor Book, in French, on the
history of the Jewish community of Grussenheim (H-R) Alsace. This is
an area where I know a number of you also have roots.

We have a few translators, and a Project Coordinator in place.
However, we would still love to be able to add a few more translators,
to lighten the load for all. If there are any of you who are willing
and able to assist with this mitzvah please do contact me as soon as
possible. Many thanks,

Rosanne Leeson Co-Cooordinator FrenchSIG <rdleeson@sbcglobal.net>


Help, please, with Cyrillic (Russian or Belarusian) Map Legend on Viewmate #general

henryn <henryn@...>
 

Folks:

I have posted a portion of a modern Russian or Belarusian Map Legend on
Viewmate.:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6613

Viewmate code: VM6613

This text describes two symbols which are side-by-side. I think the second
symbol denotes "bathhouse".

Please let me know.

Thanks much in advance,

Henry

Henry Neugass
Palo Alto, CA
henryn@zzzspacebbs.com remove 'zzz'

Wysokie Litewskie: GRYNFELD, ZUBOFF
Kletsk: KIRZNER

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help, please, with Cyrillic (Russian or Belarusian) Map Legend on Viewmate #general

henryn <henryn@...>
 

Folks:

I have posted a portion of a modern Russian or Belarusian Map Legend on
Viewmate.:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6613

Viewmate code: VM6613

This text describes two symbols which are side-by-side. I think the second
symbol denotes "bathhouse".

Please let me know.

Thanks much in advance,

Henry

Henry Neugass
Palo Alto, CA
henryn@zzzspacebbs.com remove 'zzz'

Wysokie Litewskie: GRYNFELD, ZUBOFF
Kletsk: KIRZNER

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


ViewMate, Cyrillic B record - need help with residence. #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

I posted on ViewMate another B record >from Gorzkow, LU, 45 km SSE of
Lublin. It is a B record >from 1903 for Lejbus DYCHTWALD, son of the couple
from ViewMate 6604, brother of Ester Blima in ViewMate 6605.
The residence has changed yet again and I need to know the exact wording
here - do they live in Gorzkow? I think both Gorzkow and Chelm are
mentioned, is Chelm the permanent residence? The record is located at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6612

Please reply directly to me.

Thanks

Kirsten Gradel
Nyborg, Denmark
Zamosc Archives Project Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

e-mail: kmgradel@dadlnet.dk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ViewMate, Cyrillic B record - need help with residence. #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

I posted on ViewMate another B record >from Gorzkow, LU, 45 km SSE of
Lublin. It is a B record >from 1903 for Lejbus DYCHTWALD, son of the couple
from ViewMate 6604, brother of Ester Blima in ViewMate 6605.
The residence has changed yet again and I need to know the exact wording
here - do they live in Gorzkow? I think both Gorzkow and Chelm are
mentioned, is Chelm the permanent residence? The record is located at

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6612

Please reply directly to me.

Thanks

Kirsten Gradel
Nyborg, Denmark
Zamosc Archives Project Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

e-mail: kmgradel@dadlnet.dk


Dr Nathan Adler #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

Using a popular search engine, I searched for "Dr Nathan Adler" and
found that he was a chief rabbi in England. (In Penzance in the
1840s??)
In 1844 he was noted as the Chief Rabbi of Hanover and was one of
four candidates for the position of Chief Rabbi of England.

He was also involved in the consecration of Princes Road Synagogue
in Liverpool in 1874.

So there is every reason why various lodges and societies would have
been named after him.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dr Nathan Adler #general

Barbara Zimmer <bravo.zulu@...>
 

Using a popular search engine, I searched for "Dr Nathan Adler" and
found that he was a chief rabbi in England. (In Penzance in the
1840s??)
In 1844 he was noted as the Chief Rabbi of Hanover and was one of
four candidates for the position of Chief Rabbi of England.

He was also involved in the consecration of Princes Road Synagogue
in Liverpool in 1874.

So there is every reason why various lodges and societies would have
been named after him.

Barbara Zimmer
Virginia


The Name "Yekhiel" #belarus

Stan Golembe <ocstan@...>
 

Dear Genners

I received over 25 replies to my inquiry concerning the name Yekhiel. I want
to thank all those who responded and helped me decide on how to treat this
problem. You are a great group. Only one reply drew a connection, based on a
family member's name, between Yechiel and Isaac. All the others pointed to
references that this is a historically "stand alone" name. In light of this
overwhelming response, I will not assume Yechiel to be another name for one
of my proven family members, but will assume he is another previously
unknown son and continue to search for information on him.

Incidentally, for those of you who are working with old Russian and
Belarussian documents such as censuses, draft lists, etc, be very wary of
names you encounter. I have found people spelled different ways in different
documents quite often.

Stan Golembe
Canton, MA

Searching for GALEMBA, GOLEMBE, GALEMBE, (Other variants on this),
Lyachovichi, Lachwa, Nobel


Belarus SIG #Belarus The Name "Yekhiel" #belarus

Stan Golembe <ocstan@...>
 

Dear Genners

I received over 25 replies to my inquiry concerning the name Yekhiel. I want
to thank all those who responded and helped me decide on how to treat this
problem. You are a great group. Only one reply drew a connection, based on a
family member's name, between Yechiel and Isaac. All the others pointed to
references that this is a historically "stand alone" name. In light of this
overwhelming response, I will not assume Yechiel to be another name for one
of my proven family members, but will assume he is another previously
unknown son and continue to search for information on him.

Incidentally, for those of you who are working with old Russian and
Belarussian documents such as censuses, draft lists, etc, be very wary of
names you encounter. I have found people spelled different ways in different
documents quite often.

Stan Golembe
Canton, MA

Searching for GALEMBA, GOLEMBE, GALEMBE, (Other variants on this),
Lyachovichi, Lachwa, Nobel


Re: Genetics talks at 2006 NY Conference #dna

mhlcswc2@...
 

On 2005.08.06, Nina Sitron <PintaS@aol.com> wrote:

[...] feel free to contact me with any suggestions you have for
speakers or topics which you think our attendees would find
compelling.
I would like to know about tracing female ancestry using DNA since
there are no living males on any side of my family.

Marcia Hoffman
Baltimore, MD


DNA Research #DNA Re: Genetics talks at 2006 NY Conference #dna

mhlcswc2@...
 

On 2005.08.06, Nina Sitron <PintaS@aol.com> wrote:

[...] feel free to contact me with any suggestions you have for
speakers or topics which you think our attendees would find
compelling.
I would like to know about tracing female ancestry using DNA since
there are no living males on any side of my family.

Marcia Hoffman
Baltimore, MD


Taxes, Festal Food Prohibitions and the Jewish Question in the Crown Lands #austria-czech

samorai <samorai@...>
 

Celia Male raises several interesting questions regarding the precarious
Jewish household economy in Bohemia and Moravia. Despite widespread use in
literature of all kinds of comparing prices in "X" currency at time "N" to
"Y" currency in time "N+1", I am personally sceptical about the worth of
this information for understanding the economic standing of families.
However, I believe a broader quantitative grasp of contemporary financial
circumstances on a comparative basis would be extremely helpful. To make my
point clearly, and to bring it into direct relation with pure genealogical
undertakings, it would be very helpful if members of the SIG who acquire
hard census data on their Moravian and Bohemian families provide data, when
supplied, of taxes paid by their familiants - as lessees, as pedlars, and so
forth. Even a trickling amount of information on expenses - especially the
"contribution" tax - should help in understanding how the tax burden was
spread.

To illustrate: A document, perhaps immediately before 1781 since their
patronymics rather than later chosen surnames are given, shows a Moses
Salomon (lessee) paying 60 Fl. while Markus Salomon (pedlar) paid 10 Fl.
They lived on neighbouring estates, both were Familianten, and they were
probably brothers or cousins.

These amounts, showing a healthy spread in taxation burden, can only begin
to take on meaning in a comparative perspective. But as Valenta notes in his
Judaica Bohemiae article (xxxix, 2003) on the Jew Cantor, the annual
"contribution" was often marked by steep annual fluctuations because of war,
famine, and estate economic condition. Thus, Cantor, one of the wealthiest
Jews in the realm, saw his "contribution" drop >from 800 fl to 450 fl. in the
space of three years (1784-1787). My family's "contributions" pale in
comparison but if I knew about tax liabilities of neighbors, I might begin
to obtain a picture of their situation. Having said that, I must confess
that the task is daunting since there are other taxes, rental fees, licenses
and privileges to take into account for each family's economic situation.

Celia notes food prohibitions for festive occasions. The fee charges for
alcoholic beverages are understandable in the context of law and order
(damage compensation), but cakes? coffee?. >from memory, I recall that the
first chapter of the book Penny Universities contains the story of the
introduction of coffee to England in the mid-17th c.and its subversive
implications. North African Jews were the purveyers of this so-called
"drug". Were prohibition considerations for coffee similar in Bohemia?

Paul King

KOENIG - Beraun kreis & Prague
KOHN - Saaz
WEIL - Beraun kreis & Prague
POLLAK - Lodenice/Bubowice (Beraun kreis) & Prague (tanner, industrialist)


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Taxes, Festal Food Prohibitions and the Jewish Question in the Crown Lands #austria-czech

samorai <samorai@...>
 

Celia Male raises several interesting questions regarding the precarious
Jewish household economy in Bohemia and Moravia. Despite widespread use in
literature of all kinds of comparing prices in "X" currency at time "N" to
"Y" currency in time "N+1", I am personally sceptical about the worth of
this information for understanding the economic standing of families.
However, I believe a broader quantitative grasp of contemporary financial
circumstances on a comparative basis would be extremely helpful. To make my
point clearly, and to bring it into direct relation with pure genealogical
undertakings, it would be very helpful if members of the SIG who acquire
hard census data on their Moravian and Bohemian families provide data, when
supplied, of taxes paid by their familiants - as lessees, as pedlars, and so
forth. Even a trickling amount of information on expenses - especially the
"contribution" tax - should help in understanding how the tax burden was
spread.

To illustrate: A document, perhaps immediately before 1781 since their
patronymics rather than later chosen surnames are given, shows a Moses
Salomon (lessee) paying 60 Fl. while Markus Salomon (pedlar) paid 10 Fl.
They lived on neighbouring estates, both were Familianten, and they were
probably brothers or cousins.

These amounts, showing a healthy spread in taxation burden, can only begin
to take on meaning in a comparative perspective. But as Valenta notes in his
Judaica Bohemiae article (xxxix, 2003) on the Jew Cantor, the annual
"contribution" was often marked by steep annual fluctuations because of war,
famine, and estate economic condition. Thus, Cantor, one of the wealthiest
Jews in the realm, saw his "contribution" drop >from 800 fl to 450 fl. in the
space of three years (1784-1787). My family's "contributions" pale in
comparison but if I knew about tax liabilities of neighbors, I might begin
to obtain a picture of their situation. Having said that, I must confess
that the task is daunting since there are other taxes, rental fees, licenses
and privileges to take into account for each family's economic situation.

Celia notes food prohibitions for festive occasions. The fee charges for
alcoholic beverages are understandable in the context of law and order
(damage compensation), but cakes? coffee?. >from memory, I recall that the
first chapter of the book Penny Universities contains the story of the
introduction of coffee to England in the mid-17th c.and its subversive
implications. North African Jews were the purveyers of this so-called
"drug". Were prohibition considerations for coffee similar in Bohemia?

Paul King

KOENIG - Beraun kreis & Prague
KOHN - Saaz
WEIL - Beraun kreis & Prague
POLLAK - Lodenice/Bubowice (Beraun kreis) & Prague (tanner, industrialist)


Queries about census copies #general

dennis gries
 

Ilya:

May I make a suggestion: Don't bother with copies.

I have a very large project underway, now nearing 5,000 connected people (a
"non-Jewish" study). I merely make census transcriptions. There are format
sheets that you can download, print, and then fill in manually, or even type
into (as with a real typewriter). Or you may enter the data into a
spreadsheet/workbook format.

I have been in Philadelphia NARA and made a couple of copies. This is a
very trying exercise. The census registers after a point must have been
even larger than 11x17 inches. Remember that the census sheet is really not
that personal, and you will be copying sheets that you always will be able
to review (since you referred to sites xxxA and xxxB) which will add
immensely to your more personal genie paperwork. Most of the data really is
not that significant, and unless your target is in lines 1... or 51..., you
will be preserving lots of useless data about others.

As the saying goes, JMHO. Write me offline, and I believe that I have
"workbook" templates.

Dennis Gries
Sarasota, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Queries about census copies #general

dennis gries
 

Ilya:

May I make a suggestion: Don't bother with copies.

I have a very large project underway, now nearing 5,000 connected people (a
"non-Jewish" study). I merely make census transcriptions. There are format
sheets that you can download, print, and then fill in manually, or even type
into (as with a real typewriter). Or you may enter the data into a
spreadsheet/workbook format.

I have been in Philadelphia NARA and made a couple of copies. This is a
very trying exercise. The census registers after a point must have been
even larger than 11x17 inches. Remember that the census sheet is really not
that personal, and you will be copying sheets that you always will be able
to review (since you referred to sites xxxA and xxxB) which will add
immensely to your more personal genie paperwork. Most of the data really is
not that significant, and unless your target is in lines 1... or 51..., you
will be preserving lots of useless data about others.

As the saying goes, JMHO. Write me offline, and I believe that I have
"workbook" templates.

Dennis Gries
Sarasota, FL