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Dan Rottenberg's email Address #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Assuming he has one what is Dan Rottenberg's email Address?
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@...
Pittsburgh

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send any contact information privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dan Rottenberg's email Address #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Assuming he has one what is Dan Rottenberg's email Address?
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@...
Pittsburgh

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send any contact information privately.


Re: Jews in England: Jewish star with a cross inside #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Avrum Lapin" <avrum223@...> wrote in message

There is a large Mogen David stained window on a large church (Santa
Crocce) in Florence. The best explanation is that at the time the church
was designed "looks" were more important than being PC and the architect
went for what looked good (You can see a picture on the cover of Rick
Steve's book Italy 2005)
See
http://tinyurl.com/c42zo
for a picture of Santa Crocce. It is my own view that such stars are not
that unusual. It is the easiest to draw geometric shape which (the circle
and the hexagon are easily drawn with a piece of string.

I did a Google search on "6-pointed star" and church, I get 1,600 results.
70,000 results for "Star of David" and church.

There is an article
http://tinyurl.com/dossv

Apparently there is a Star of David in
http://www.stmarks.on.ca/about/windows.html in St Mark's Church, Brantford,
Ontario which is acknowledged as such. I would say that one of the donors is
either Jewish or of Jewish origin.

This church supplier http://www.churchstewardship.com/coinfolders.htm sells
an offering box with a 6-pointed star on each side.

According to nationmaster.com the Star of David is used by the Mormons.

See also this church
http://buten.net/max/sicily/55_siracusa/StarOfDavid0342.html

See also the Bolton Priory Church in the UK
http://www.enicholl.com/bolton-priory-church/html-files/east-wall-paintings.htm
which is explicitly described as the Star of David to represent the lineage
of Jesus.

Ditto the regimental church of the Black Watch Regiment of Canada.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

MODERATOR NOTE: The article at http://tinyurl.com/dossv presents one
Christian's description of the Star of David and also refers to the
Messianic version with the cross. If anyone has historical information
about the star with the cross that would help explain why it would
appear in an old cemetery (as mentioned by Dorothy Auerbach Rivers),
please send it in.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews in England: Jewish star with a cross inside #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Avrum Lapin" <avrum223@...> wrote in message

There is a large Mogen David stained window on a large church (Santa
Crocce) in Florence. The best explanation is that at the time the church
was designed "looks" were more important than being PC and the architect
went for what looked good (You can see a picture on the cover of Rick
Steve's book Italy 2005)
See
http://tinyurl.com/c42zo
for a picture of Santa Crocce. It is my own view that such stars are not
that unusual. It is the easiest to draw geometric shape which (the circle
and the hexagon are easily drawn with a piece of string.

I did a Google search on "6-pointed star" and church, I get 1,600 results.
70,000 results for "Star of David" and church.

There is an article
http://tinyurl.com/dossv

Apparently there is a Star of David in
http://www.stmarks.on.ca/about/windows.html in St Mark's Church, Brantford,
Ontario which is acknowledged as such. I would say that one of the donors is
either Jewish or of Jewish origin.

This church supplier http://www.churchstewardship.com/coinfolders.htm sells
an offering box with a 6-pointed star on each side.

According to nationmaster.com the Star of David is used by the Mormons.

See also this church
http://buten.net/max/sicily/55_siracusa/StarOfDavid0342.html

See also the Bolton Priory Church in the UK
http://www.enicholl.com/bolton-priory-church/html-files/east-wall-paintings.htm
which is explicitly described as the Star of David to represent the lineage
of Jesus.

Ditto the regimental church of the Black Watch Regiment of Canada.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

MODERATOR NOTE: The article at http://tinyurl.com/dossv presents one
Christian's description of the Star of David and also refers to the
Messianic version with the cross. If anyone has historical information
about the star with the cross that would help explain why it would
appear in an old cemetery (as mentioned by Dorothy Auerbach Rivers),
please send it in.


Re: Jewish or English? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/21/2005 3:12:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tulse04-news@... writes:

< If we go back to the American situation, before 1871 Germany didn't exist
and probably most of the other European nation states didn't exist. >

==Germany did not exist as a unified nation before then but it did exist as
a cultural, linguistic and national area. In those respects it was quite
similar to the various colonies and later states that together developed into
the United States. Certainly England/Britain, France, Netherlands, Russia,
Austria-Hungary, Sweden, and Switzerland had existed by then as nation states
for some centuries, and even Italy had by then become a united monarchy.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish or English? #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/21/2005 3:12:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tulse04-news@... writes:

< If we go back to the American situation, before 1871 Germany didn't exist
and probably most of the other European nation states didn't exist. >

==Germany did not exist as a unified nation before then but it did exist as
a cultural, linguistic and national area. In those respects it was quite
similar to the various colonies and later states that together developed into
the United States. Certainly England/Britain, France, Netherlands, Russia,
Austria-Hungary, Sweden, and Switzerland had existed by then as nation states
for some centuries, and even Italy had by then become a united monarchy.

Michael Bernet, New York


1911 Canadian census online #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I found my grandafther on the 1911 Canadian census..You need to know the area,
county or town..gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/index-e.html


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 1911 Canadian census online #general

Gayle Schlissel Riley <key2pst@...>
 

I found my grandafther on the 1911 Canadian census..You need to know the area,
county or town..gayle >from San Gabriel, Ca

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/1911/index-e.html


Re: Jews in England: Jewish star with a cross inside #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

Dorothy -

I thought your question was interesting, so I went
looking for an answer. I found pages with religious
jewelry that identify it as a symbol of the Messianics.

I didn't know about them, so I found this site - one
among many after searching at google for messianic.

This page has a brief definition of Messianic religious groups -
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsmessianic2.htm?terms=messianic
[or http://tinyurl.com/c85w3 -- Mod.]

Apparently there was a Messianic movement in Europe in the 1600's
http://rabbiwein.com/column-209.html

Maybe someone else can shed more light on this subject.

Lisa
llepore@...
Mendon, MA

Apropos to this subject I'd like to ask if anyone has knowledge of a Jewish
star with a cross inside? I found this engraved on a tombstone in Wales.
The graveyard was very, very old, overgrown with nettles and other weeds.

I was struck dumb by this sight. If I remember right the name on the stone
wasn't typically Jewish but that might not mean anything.

Many years later I saw the same symbol, a sixpointed star with a cross in
it, painted on the side of a hippy Volkswagon bus.

Dorothy AUERBACH Rivers

Tucson, Arizona USA
---
Sender: Dorothy Auerbach Rivers <dotvic@...>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews in England: Jewish star with a cross inside #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

Dorothy -

I thought your question was interesting, so I went
looking for an answer. I found pages with religious
jewelry that identify it as a symbol of the Messianics.

I didn't know about them, so I found this site - one
among many after searching at google for messianic.

This page has a brief definition of Messianic religious groups -
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsmessianic2.htm?terms=messianic
[or http://tinyurl.com/c85w3 -- Mod.]

Apparently there was a Messianic movement in Europe in the 1600's
http://rabbiwein.com/column-209.html

Maybe someone else can shed more light on this subject.

Lisa
llepore@...
Mendon, MA

Apropos to this subject I'd like to ask if anyone has knowledge of a Jewish
star with a cross inside? I found this engraved on a tombstone in Wales.
The graveyard was very, very old, overgrown with nettles and other weeds.

I was struck dumb by this sight. If I remember right the name on the stone
wasn't typically Jewish but that might not mean anything.

Many years later I saw the same symbol, a sixpointed star with a cross in
it, painted on the side of a hippy Volkswagon bus.

Dorothy AUERBACH Rivers

Tucson, Arizona USA
---
Sender: Dorothy Auerbach Rivers <dotvic@...>


Re: 1911 Canada Census: Montreal disricts? #general

Alan Raskin <araskin@...>
 

bud484bg@... wrote:
The 1911 Canada Census is wonderful, except that there is no name
search, and the only information I have is that my Rosner family came
from Romania after 1901 to reside in Montreal. I have randomly gone
through some of the Montreal pages but have not yet found any that are
Jewish districts. Could some one out there give me a clue? Each
district search requires a pdf download and searching through every
page for Montreal residents is time consuming.

I would really appreciate your help.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California
You might want to send a request to the Toronto Public Library's Answerline:

http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/ask_adu_index.jsp#form

If you give them a name and up to three dates, they will do a city
directory lookup and give you back an address. They could probably also
tell you the matching census district.

Unfortunately, until the Automated Genealogy group gets around to
indexing the names for the 1911 census, as they did for the 1901 census
(http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html), after getting the district
you'll still have to go through the census images one at a time.

- Alan

Researching: COHEN/KON: Bodzanow, Poland/Montreal
GARBER: Montreal
HART: Montreal/Russia
RASKIN: Montreal/Russia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1911 Canada Census: Montreal disricts? #general

Alan Raskin <araskin@...>
 

bud484bg@... wrote:
The 1911 Canada Census is wonderful, except that there is no name
search, and the only information I have is that my Rosner family came
from Romania after 1901 to reside in Montreal. I have randomly gone
through some of the Montreal pages but have not yet found any that are
Jewish districts. Could some one out there give me a clue? Each
district search requires a pdf download and searching through every
page for Montreal residents is time consuming.

I would really appreciate your help.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California
You might want to send a request to the Toronto Public Library's Answerline:

http://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/ask_adu_index.jsp#form

If you give them a name and up to three dates, they will do a city
directory lookup and give you back an address. They could probably also
tell you the matching census district.

Unfortunately, until the Automated Genealogy group gets around to
indexing the names for the 1911 census, as they did for the 1901 census
(http://automatedgenealogy.com/index.html), after getting the district
you'll still have to go through the census images one at a time.

- Alan

Researching: COHEN/KON: Bodzanow, Poland/Montreal
GARBER: Montreal
HART: Montreal/Russia
RASKIN: Montreal/Russia


Padawer Kohen branch #general

Yisrael Asper
 

The Padawer Kohen branch of my friend appears suspiciously similar to Dan
Rottenberg's "Finding Our Fathers" book's description of the name Padawer
"French family whose name is derived >from Padua, Italy, its original home.
The family later migrated to Poland before moving to France." She's only two
generations French but she did talk of Padawer relatives having moved to
Polish Galicia. She said that the family in Italy lived in Padua and was
descended >from the Maharam MiPadua. Her Italian side she said was exclusively
Ashkenazic Italian. I don't know if she means just not Sephardic Italian or
if she means the Ashkenazic community that migrated south to Italy. She may not
know of the three division Italian system of Ashkenazic, Sehardic and Original
Italian. She also may not know of any Sephardim who may have leaked into her
family in the more distant past on her family tree if any did. I am the main
investigator for her. My problem is I don't know Dan Rottenberg's source or
have at least his email address to try and investigate if there is a link.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@...
Pittsburgh PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Padawer Kohen branch #general

Yisrael Asper
 

The Padawer Kohen branch of my friend appears suspiciously similar to Dan
Rottenberg's "Finding Our Fathers" book's description of the name Padawer
"French family whose name is derived >from Padua, Italy, its original home.
The family later migrated to Poland before moving to France." She's only two
generations French but she did talk of Padawer relatives having moved to
Polish Galicia. She said that the family in Italy lived in Padua and was
descended >from the Maharam MiPadua. Her Italian side she said was exclusively
Ashkenazic Italian. I don't know if she means just not Sephardic Italian or
if she means the Ashkenazic community that migrated south to Italy. She may not
know of the three division Italian system of Ashkenazic, Sehardic and Original
Italian. She also may not know of any Sephardim who may have leaked into her
family in the more distant past on her family tree if any did. I am the main
investigator for her. My problem is I don't know Dan Rottenberg's source or
have at least his email address to try and investigate if there is a link.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@...
Pittsburgh PA


Fw: jcr-uk digest: July 21, 2005 #unitedkingdom

Nick Landau <N.Landau@...>
 

I have come across this leaflet entitled "RECORDS OF THE ANGLO-JEWISH
COMMUNITY AT LONDON METROPOLITAN ARCHIVES".

www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/706067F3-0DE6-417B-9B91-785551084010/0/LH_LMA_jewish.PDF

Nick Landau
London, UK


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Fw: jcr-uk digest: July 21, 2005 #unitedkingdom

Nick Landau <N.Landau@...>
 

I have come across this leaflet entitled "RECORDS OF THE ANGLO-JEWISH
COMMUNITY AT LONDON METROPOLITAN ARCHIVES".

www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/706067F3-0DE6-417B-9B91-785551084010/0/LH_LMA_jewish.PDF

Nick Landau
London, UK


Re: List from Gura Humorului #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

ROM-SIG members should be aware that the list of former Jewish residents
of Gura Humorului, of Eli Schachar, is already available as a link on the
ROM-SIG Web site, and also in the ShtetLinks for that town.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG


Romania SIG #Romania Re: List from Gura Humorului #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

ROM-SIG members should be aware that the list of former Jewish residents
of Gura Humorului, of Eli Schachar, is already available as a link on the
ROM-SIG Web site, and also in the ShtetLinks for that town.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG


Re: 1911 Canada Census: Montreal disricts? #general

bud484bg@...
 

The 1911 Canada Census is wonderful, except that there is no name
search, and the only information I have is that my Rosner family came
>from Romania after 1901 to reside in Montreal. I have randomly gone
through some of the Montreal pages but have not yet found any that are
Jewish districts. Could some one out there give me a clue? Each
district search requires a pdf download and searching through every
page for Montreal residents is time consuming.

I would really appreciate your help.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California

Researching: KAGAN/KAHAN: Dokszyce/Dolginov/Vileika
ZAPODNIK: Dokszyce/Dolgnov/Vileika/Kurenets
MINKOVSKY: Rozhev/Kiev/Israel TALALAYEVSKY:Mokhnachka/Kiev/
MARKEL:Lemberg/Vienna SEHR:Lemberg/Vienna/Israel
YANKOWITZ/JANKOWITZ:Romania/Neamtz/Galatz
ROSNER:Romania/Montreal/Toronto FREEDMAN: Poland/Lodz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:1911 Canada Census: Montreal disricts? #general

bud484bg@...
 

The 1911 Canada Census is wonderful, except that there is no name
search, and the only information I have is that my Rosner family came
>from Romania after 1901 to reside in Montreal. I have randomly gone
through some of the Montreal pages but have not yet found any that are
Jewish districts. Could some one out there give me a clue? Each
district search requires a pdf download and searching through every
page for Montreal residents is time consuming.

I would really appreciate your help.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California

Researching: KAGAN/KAHAN: Dokszyce/Dolginov/Vileika
ZAPODNIK: Dokszyce/Dolgnov/Vileika/Kurenets
MINKOVSKY: Rozhev/Kiev/Israel TALALAYEVSKY:Mokhnachka/Kiev/
MARKEL:Lemberg/Vienna SEHR:Lemberg/Vienna/Israel
YANKOWITZ/JANKOWITZ:Romania/Neamtz/Galatz
ROSNER:Romania/Montreal/Toronto FREEDMAN: Poland/Lodz