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Members of the Radoszyce Dynasty [was: Radoszyce] #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.08.04, Krystyna Duszniak" <losthistories@optusnet.com.au>
enquired:

My client's ancestors come >from Radoszyce in Poland, and we have
traced the family tree to show that my client's family, the
SZTAJNSZNAJDERs, married into the FINKLER family. The FINKLERs were,
apparently, prominent members of the Radoszyce Dynasty whose last
rabbi perished in the Holocaust. I do not know much about this
rabbinical family apart >from what is available on the internet and
am wondering if anyone would know more about them, their writings,
teachings, and so on.
Hello Krystina

This enquiry probably relates to the descendants of the Hassidic
Rebbe, R' Yisochor Ber of Radoszyce (1725 - 1843). He was the pupil
of numerous Polish and Galician Hassidic leaders, including the
Chozeh of Lublin and the Maggid of Kosnice. In his younger days
Rabbi Y.B. acted as a badchan (entertainer and poetaster) at
weddings; in later life his fame as a miracle worker, particularly
in curing the sick, was outstanding.

He had a son, R' Yisroel Yitzchok (1810 - 1858) and three
sons-in-law, who became hassidic Rebbbes in Poland.

Descendant Rebbes who perished in the Nazi war include:

R Chaim Usher (d. in Kielce 1941 and was buried)

R' Yitzchok Shmuel Elya of Pietrokow (murdered)

R Yosef Boruch (murdered in Lodz)

R' Binyomin of Radoszyce (murdered)

R' Pinchos Yisochor of Sosnowice (murdered on the way to Cracow)

R' Yitzchok of Pinchov (murdered)

R' Noson Yakov Perl of Kinck (died & buried, Autumn 1941)

R' Kalmisch of Radoszyce (murdered with the whole Community).

I do not have the individual surnames, but most were either BRAUN or
WINKLER

As we approach Tisha B'Av (incidentally the Yahrzeit of the above
mentioned Chozeh of Lublin) period of mourning let us remember how
much our nation suffered.

Leslie Reich


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Members of the Radoszyce Dynasty [was: Radoszyce] #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.08.04, Krystyna Duszniak" <losthistories@optusnet.com.au>
enquired:

My client's ancestors come >from Radoszyce in Poland, and we have
traced the family tree to show that my client's family, the
SZTAJNSZNAJDERs, married into the FINKLER family. The FINKLERs were,
apparently, prominent members of the Radoszyce Dynasty whose last
rabbi perished in the Holocaust. I do not know much about this
rabbinical family apart >from what is available on the internet and
am wondering if anyone would know more about them, their writings,
teachings, and so on.
Hello Krystina

This enquiry probably relates to the descendants of the Hassidic
Rebbe, R' Yisochor Ber of Radoszyce (1725 - 1843). He was the pupil
of numerous Polish and Galician Hassidic leaders, including the
Chozeh of Lublin and the Maggid of Kosnice. In his younger days
Rabbi Y.B. acted as a badchan (entertainer and poetaster) at
weddings; in later life his fame as a miracle worker, particularly
in curing the sick, was outstanding.

He had a son, R' Yisroel Yitzchok (1810 - 1858) and three
sons-in-law, who became hassidic Rebbbes in Poland.

Descendant Rebbes who perished in the Nazi war include:

R Chaim Usher (d. in Kielce 1941 and was buried)

R' Yitzchok Shmuel Elya of Pietrokow (murdered)

R Yosef Boruch (murdered in Lodz)

R' Binyomin of Radoszyce (murdered)

R' Pinchos Yisochor of Sosnowice (murdered on the way to Cracow)

R' Yitzchok of Pinchov (murdered)

R' Noson Yakov Perl of Kinck (died & buried, Autumn 1941)

R' Kalmisch of Radoszyce (murdered with the whole Community).

I do not have the individual surnames, but most were either BRAUN or
WINKLER

As we approach Tisha B'Av (incidentally the Yahrzeit of the above
mentioned Chozeh of Lublin) period of mourning let us remember how
much our nation suffered.

Leslie Reich


Re: Obtaining a match 7+ generations ago #dna

egrdn@...
 

On 2005.08.07, Donn Devine <DonnDevine@aol.com> wrote:

A one-step difference among 37 markers would push the probability
range back to 12 generations."
According to one testing company, a 35/37 match has a 72.19%
probability of sharing a common ancestor within the last 200 years.

In a DNA project I am involved with, we have known second cousins who
match only 35/37. On the other hand, we have fourth cousins who match
37/37.

Eleanor Gordon
Lafayette, CA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Obtaining a match 7+ generations ago #dna

egrdn@...
 

On 2005.08.07, Donn Devine <DonnDevine@aol.com> wrote:

A one-step difference among 37 markers would push the probability
range back to 12 generations."
According to one testing company, a 35/37 match has a 72.19%
probability of sharing a common ancestor within the last 200 years.

In a DNA project I am involved with, we have known second cousins who
match only 35/37. On the other hand, we have fourth cousins who match
37/37.

Eleanor Gordon
Lafayette, CA


Re: Help Finding Burial Places #general

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Michael Salzbank is seeking the burial place of several distant relations
who died in the 1920s/30s, probably in New York City.

There is a very simple, albeit not inexpensive solution to his problem.

Go to the NYC Death Index at italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm. All the relations
are listed, except Aaron Frimmerman (who probably died after 1936).

Order the death certificates (instructions on the italiangen.org site),
which include the place of burial (or cremation). Note that sometimes that
information is on page 2 of the certificate, so be sure to request both
pages when ordering.

Good luck in your research!
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia


Re: Hebrew Tombstone Translation Request #general

Janice Sellers <janice@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

I have received several responses with translation of the Hebrew >from my
great-grandfather's tombstone. Thank you all for our help.

Janice

At 9:41 AM -0700 8/8/05, Janice Sellers wrote:

I would appreciate any help in translating the Hebrew on my
great-grandfather's tombstone. A photo is available at:

http://publications.seismosoc.org/~janice/JoeGordon.tiff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help Finding Burial Places #general

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Michael Salzbank is seeking the burial place of several distant relations
who died in the 1920s/30s, probably in New York City.

There is a very simple, albeit not inexpensive solution to his problem.

Go to the NYC Death Index at italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm. All the relations
are listed, except Aaron Frimmerman (who probably died after 1936).

Order the death certificates (instructions on the italiangen.org site),
which include the place of burial (or cremation). Note that sometimes that
information is on page 2 of the certificate, so be sure to request both
pages when ordering.

Good luck in your research!
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew Tombstone Translation Request #general

Janice Sellers <janice@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

I have received several responses with translation of the Hebrew >from my
great-grandfather's tombstone. Thank you all for our help.

Janice

At 9:41 AM -0700 8/8/05, Janice Sellers wrote:

I would appreciate any help in translating the Hebrew on my
great-grandfather's tombstone. A photo is available at:

http://publications.seismosoc.org/~janice/JoeGordon.tiff


Re: Rude Relply from relative #general

Yisrael Asper
 

He's the son of your first cousin. Include him if you wish. Normally it would
look strange to others not to include him.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA


Re: Where is Kadon, Russia #general

Harvey <harvey@...>
 

" Where is Kadon, Russia?"

I reckon Tom Smith refers to Kedainiai (Keidan) in Lithuania and Vandziogala
(also Lithuania).

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN

- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis,
Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rude Relply from relative #general

Yisrael Asper
 

He's the son of your first cousin. Include him if you wish. Normally it would
look strange to others not to include him.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is Kadon, Russia #general

Harvey <harvey@...>
 

" Where is Kadon, Russia?"

I reckon Tom Smith refers to Kedainiai (Keidan) in Lithuania and Vandziogala
(also Lithuania).

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN

- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis,
Lithuania


Re: Rude Reply from relative #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

After about five years conducting genealogical research and making a variety
of "cold calls" (or sending "cold e-mails") to potential relatives...I've
also received responses that run the gamut >from delightfully surprising to
incredibly hostile.

Some people who don't know me >from Adam have invited me over to their homes
based on only a few words of mine which theorized a family connection, and
others, to whom I know--positively--that I am related, are hesitant and
circumspect in their cooperation.

In the case of your cousin's son, it sounds like you are dealing with either
a paranoid personality or someone with family/relationship issues that you
are not privy to. He could also be going through a difficult time in his
life that affects his behavior. Nevertheless, courtesy doesn't cost
anything, and even if he had strong feelings about retaining his privacy, he
certainly could have been nicer about explaining his position to
you--especially since you once gave him a bar mitzvah gift!

Since you talk to his mother frequently, she would be the one to ask about
his rude behavior. She might be able to shed light on his response, or act
as an intermediary in dealing with his inclusion on the family tree.

The unpredictability of how we're received as we seek to connect to missing
(or lost and then found) relatives is what makes genealogical research
challenging, but also fun. Take it with a grain of salt, and continue on
undaunted.

Maybe someday he'll see the light--perhaps when his children are asked to
make a family tree for a school project and will come calling.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Rude Reply from relative #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

After about five years conducting genealogical research and making a variety
of "cold calls" (or sending "cold e-mails") to potential relatives...I've
also received responses that run the gamut >from delightfully surprising to
incredibly hostile.

Some people who don't know me >from Adam have invited me over to their homes
based on only a few words of mine which theorized a family connection, and
others, to whom I know--positively--that I am related, are hesitant and
circumspect in their cooperation.

In the case of your cousin's son, it sounds like you are dealing with either
a paranoid personality or someone with family/relationship issues that you
are not privy to. He could also be going through a difficult time in his
life that affects his behavior. Nevertheless, courtesy doesn't cost
anything, and even if he had strong feelings about retaining his privacy, he
certainly could have been nicer about explaining his position to
you--especially since you once gave him a bar mitzvah gift!

Since you talk to his mother frequently, she would be the one to ask about
his rude behavior. She might be able to shed light on his response, or act
as an intermediary in dealing with his inclusion on the family tree.

The unpredictability of how we're received as we seek to connect to missing
(or lost and then found) relatives is what makes genealogical research
challenging, but also fun. Take it with a grain of salt, and continue on
undaunted.

Maybe someday he'll see the light--perhaps when his children are asked to
make a family tree for a school project and will come calling.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Re: Rude Relply from relative #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I've run into this a couple of times, more or less. You are not going to get
anything more >from him. Instead, I suggest you go around him.

What information do you need? Get it >from his mother, your first cousin. Or
call a sister or brother of his, don't tell them of your run-in, and get the
info >from them.

If you hit a brick wall in the form of an uncooperative relative, go around,
under or over the wall. :-)

Sam


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rude Relply from relative #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I've run into this a couple of times, more or less. You are not going to get
anything more >from him. Instead, I suggest you go around him.

What information do you need? Get it >from his mother, your first cousin. Or
call a sister or brother of his, don't tell them of your run-in, and get the
info >from them.

If you hit a brick wall in the form of an uncooperative relative, go around,
under or over the wall. :-)

Sam


Finding Bank Name #lodz #poland

Nicki Chodnoff - On The Go Publishing <nicki@...>
 

I am trying to track down the name of the bank in Lodz that stood at
Piotrkowska street and Platz Wolnosc (Freedom Square) right before the war
and start of the Lodz Ghetto.

Does anyone know this information in this SIG? If not, how do I find the
name of this bank?

Thanks,

Nicki Chodnoff
Columbus, Ohio
researching ROZENTAL >from Lodz and Dabie; ORCHAN >from Lodz, Dabie, and
Poddebiece; and PARZENCZEWSKA(SKI) >from Lodz and Ozorkow


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Finding Bank Name #lodz #poland

Nicki Chodnoff - On The Go Publishing <nicki@...>
 

I am trying to track down the name of the bank in Lodz that stood at
Piotrkowska street and Platz Wolnosc (Freedom Square) right before the war
and start of the Lodz Ghetto.

Does anyone know this information in this SIG? If not, how do I find the
name of this bank?

Thanks,

Nicki Chodnoff
Columbus, Ohio
researching ROZENTAL >from Lodz and Dabie; ORCHAN >from Lodz, Dabie, and
Poddebiece; and PARZENCZEWSKA(SKI) >from Lodz and Ozorkow


Glazer former head of Maramoros Society #hungary

Miriam Klein <mpklein@...>
 

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to get in touch with the descendents of Shlomo Glazer (deceased)
who headed the Maramoros Society. If anyone has any info, it would be much
appreciated.


Miriam Klein
Brooklyn, NY


Hungary SIG #Hungary Glazer former head of Maramoros Society #hungary

Miriam Klein <mpklein@...>
 

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to get in touch with the descendents of Shlomo Glazer (deceased)
who headed the Maramoros Society. If anyone has any info, it would be much
appreciated.


Miriam Klein
Brooklyn, NY