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RAKOFF--MENDELSOHN Marriage Record #general

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Sarah Greenberg has her great-grandparents' December 1921 ketubah, but
cannot locate the marriage certificate. She also has a 1940 marriage record
for them. She's looking for a Brooklyn grooms' index for the 1920s.

The NYC Grooms Index database on italiangen.org covers Brooklyn (Kings
County). However, keep in mind that this database was created >from typed
existing indexes, not >from the documents themselves. These indexes are rife
with misspellings, so you have to be flexible.

Remember to use the "Starts with" option as well as "Sounds like". I used
Steve Morse' shortcut to the search engine (at www.stevemorse.org) to find
grooms whose first name began with "da", and surname began with "ra", and
who married in 1921 or 1922.

And, I find
Rackor Dave Dec 18 1921 Brooklyn 15891 (Cert.#)

But it's very odd that Ms. Greenberg also has a 1940 marriage record. Is it
an official NYC marriage certificate? I wonder if her great-grandparents
needed the marriage record in 1940 for some reason, and the clerks couldn't
find it then either.

Good luck in your research.
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RAKOFF--MENDELSOHN Marriage Record #general

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Sarah Greenberg has her great-grandparents' December 1921 ketubah, but
cannot locate the marriage certificate. She also has a 1940 marriage record
for them. She's looking for a Brooklyn grooms' index for the 1920s.

The NYC Grooms Index database on italiangen.org covers Brooklyn (Kings
County). However, keep in mind that this database was created >from typed
existing indexes, not >from the documents themselves. These indexes are rife
with misspellings, so you have to be flexible.

Remember to use the "Starts with" option as well as "Sounds like". I used
Steve Morse' shortcut to the search engine (at www.stevemorse.org) to find
grooms whose first name began with "da", and surname began with "ra", and
who married in 1921 or 1922.

And, I find
Rackor Dave Dec 18 1921 Brooklyn 15891 (Cert.#)

But it's very odd that Ms. Greenberg also has a 1940 marriage record. Is it
an official NYC marriage certificate? I wonder if her great-grandparents
needed the marriage record in 1940 for some reason, and the clerks couldn't
find it then either.

Good luck in your research.
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia


Re: Name changes #germany

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

If I decided to call myself 'John Doe', I would tell you to call me John.
Lots of entertainers do this - you see one name in Lights on Broadway, but
they are something else in 'real life'. Is this a name change? It used to
happen this simply in the US: someone would decide to be 'John Doe' and that
was their real name.

When Social Security started, that changed. You could have friends call you
John, but for anything legal, you had to get a court order or marriage or
divorce papers - something legal - before you could change your Social
Security Account, your driver's license, or your credit cards to your new
name. I know 'cause I've been there, and my divorce papers spelled my name
wrong, even though I spelled my name in court. Imagine, the court reporter
couldn't get the spelling of Bruckheimer right, so I had to get it fixed!

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name changes #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

If I decided to call myself 'John Doe', I would tell you to call me John.
Lots of entertainers do this - you see one name in Lights on Broadway, but
they are something else in 'real life'. Is this a name change? It used to
happen this simply in the US: someone would decide to be 'John Doe' and that
was their real name.

When Social Security started, that changed. You could have friends call you
John, but for anything legal, you had to get a court order or marriage or
divorce papers - something legal - before you could change your Social
Security Account, your driver's license, or your credit cards to your new
name. I know 'cause I've been there, and my divorce papers spelled my name
wrong, even though I spelled my name in court. Imagine, the court reporter
couldn't get the spelling of Bruckheimer right, so I had to get it fixed!

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ


Chief Rabbi Justis TAL of Utrecht or Rotterdam #general

LOUISE HAJDENBERG
 

My father remembers his father telling him, possibly in the 1930s, that
his uncle was the Chief Rabbi of Utrecht or Rotterdam but my dad didn't
know his name. >from the net I see that the Chief Rabbi was Justis
TAL so I want to research this possibility.

Dr. Yehuda Klausner wrote to me that there was a Chief Ribbi of
Holland, R'Moshe Tuvya TAL. He lived around 1895 in Hague. His son
R'Zadok Justus b'Moshe Tuvya became Chief Rabbi of Utrecht
in 1918 and Chief Rabbi of Holland in 1945. R'Zadok died 14 Kislev 5755
(1994). There is nothing more about them in "Otzar HaRabbanim" (H) by
N.Z.Friedman. There are several other TALs mentioned among others
another Zadok b'Shimon TAL, most probably related to the Chief Rabbis."

Does anyone know where the TAL family was >from originally or where I
can research their lineage further? The only family names I know >from
that side of my family are NATHAN, NATHANBERG, TOBIAS and possibly MACHTUS.
The families I know about were living in Courland, Latvia in the mid 1850s
through 1911 and possibly Lithuania before that.

Thank you,
Louise Hajdenberg
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chief Rabbi Justis TAL of Utrecht or Rotterdam #general

LOUISE HAJDENBERG
 

My father remembers his father telling him, possibly in the 1930s, that
his uncle was the Chief Rabbi of Utrecht or Rotterdam but my dad didn't
know his name. >from the net I see that the Chief Rabbi was Justis
TAL so I want to research this possibility.

Dr. Yehuda Klausner wrote to me that there was a Chief Ribbi of
Holland, R'Moshe Tuvya TAL. He lived around 1895 in Hague. His son
R'Zadok Justus b'Moshe Tuvya became Chief Rabbi of Utrecht
in 1918 and Chief Rabbi of Holland in 1945. R'Zadok died 14 Kislev 5755
(1994). There is nothing more about them in "Otzar HaRabbanim" (H) by
N.Z.Friedman. There are several other TALs mentioned among others
another Zadok b'Shimon TAL, most probably related to the Chief Rabbis."

Does anyone know where the TAL family was >from originally or where I
can research their lineage further? The only family names I know >from
that side of my family are NATHAN, NATHANBERG, TOBIAS and possibly MACHTUS.
The families I know about were living in Courland, Latvia in the mid 1850s
through 1911 and possibly Lithuania before that.

Thank you,
Louise Hajdenberg
New York


Given Name Surel #general

WALTER SPECTOR
 

Hello Genners,

Has anyone heard of the female given name Surel. I have looked in the given
names database. I have not found a reference. If this name does exist, what
would be the English, Hebrew, and Yiddish translations?

Please reply privately

Walter Spector
Philadelphia

Searching: SPECTOR- Zaslov (Izyaslov) Volhynia Gub. Ukraine-Woodbine NJ
-Philadelphia PA; AB(EBY) Rushany,Grodno Gub. Belarus-Woodbine NJ-
Philadelphia PA; BECKER- Rovno Philadelphia PA Brooklyn NY: SELTZER
(ZELTZER)Rovno,Klevan, Alexandria;-Brooklyn NY
LONDE, LANDAU, LONDON, LANDER, Proskrov-Philadelphia PA
GREENSTEIN-Boston MA: PITKOWSKI Rushany,Grodno Gub. STEINBERG - Philadelphia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given Name Surel #general

WALTER SPECTOR
 

Hello Genners,

Has anyone heard of the female given name Surel. I have looked in the given
names database. I have not found a reference. If this name does exist, what
would be the English, Hebrew, and Yiddish translations?

Please reply privately

Walter Spector
Philadelphia

Searching: SPECTOR- Zaslov (Izyaslov) Volhynia Gub. Ukraine-Woodbine NJ
-Philadelphia PA; AB(EBY) Rushany,Grodno Gub. Belarus-Woodbine NJ-
Philadelphia PA; BECKER- Rovno Philadelphia PA Brooklyn NY: SELTZER
(ZELTZER)Rovno,Klevan, Alexandria;-Brooklyn NY
LONDE, LANDAU, LONDON, LANDER, Proskrov-Philadelphia PA
GREENSTEIN-Boston MA: PITKOWSKI Rushany,Grodno Gub. STEINBERG - Philadelphia


Identifying Relationships #general

Julius S Cohen 1
 

10 September 2005

Dear Geners,

Does someone know where I can get a table or chart that will help me identify
the relationship of cousins? For example, how can I tell if someone is a
"first Cousin" or a "First Cousin, once Removed".

Thanks in advance.

Julius Cohen
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: There is a relationship chart at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/related.txt .


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Identifying Relationships #general

Julius S Cohen 1
 

10 September 2005

Dear Geners,

Does someone know where I can get a table or chart that will help me identify
the relationship of cousins? For example, how can I tell if someone is a
"first Cousin" or a "First Cousin, once Removed".

Thanks in advance.

Julius Cohen
Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

MODERATOR NOTE: There is a relationship chart at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/related.txt .


Need Help Locating Marriage-David RAKOFF & Anna MENDELSON 12/18/1921-NY #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I need help in loacting marriage record for Davd RAKOFF & Anna
MENDELSON my great-grandparents. According to all records I have
gathered including a new document I have uncovered called a ketubah
they were married in 12/18/1921 in Brooklyn, new york.

I only have a 1940 marriage record for them. So I am asking if they had
the ketubah marriage contract would they have also filed one for the
county they lived in. I am seeking all help in locating that record.
The names on the ketubah are a bit distorted. The last
names(surnames)are not spelled as I know them to be. But the first
names are right on the money, including the marriage date of 1921 which
is listed on my great-grandmother's petition papers.

According to the petition papers my great-grandmother came to america
under the name Elke/Elka Mendelson in 1911 and that name is also on the
ketubah. I always known my grandmother and my mother to call her Anna.
I am seeking help >from anyone who may help, who might have access to
the grooms index for Brooklyn, New York and maybe do a search for me. I
would be forever greatfull.

My great-grandfather David Rakoff was born in 1884 & Anna/Elke was born
in 1889. Both came >from russia. Their are also many variations to the
name rakoff.

Rakoff/Rockoff/Rackoff/Racoff/Rockov...

Also in the case of my great-grandmother she tended to lie about her
age on most documents. On her death record she was listed in her 70's
and born in 1901, when she was really in her 90's and born in 1889. So
In 1921, She would be about 32 and he would be 37.
So any and all help is appreciated and advice is good to.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need Help Locating Marriage-David RAKOFF & Anna MENDELSON 12/18/1921-NY #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I need help in loacting marriage record for Davd RAKOFF & Anna
MENDELSON my great-grandparents. According to all records I have
gathered including a new document I have uncovered called a ketubah
they were married in 12/18/1921 in Brooklyn, new york.

I only have a 1940 marriage record for them. So I am asking if they had
the ketubah marriage contract would they have also filed one for the
county they lived in. I am seeking all help in locating that record.
The names on the ketubah are a bit distorted. The last
names(surnames)are not spelled as I know them to be. But the first
names are right on the money, including the marriage date of 1921 which
is listed on my great-grandmother's petition papers.

According to the petition papers my great-grandmother came to america
under the name Elke/Elka Mendelson in 1911 and that name is also on the
ketubah. I always known my grandmother and my mother to call her Anna.
I am seeking help >from anyone who may help, who might have access to
the grooms index for Brooklyn, New York and maybe do a search for me. I
would be forever greatfull.

My great-grandfather David Rakoff was born in 1884 & Anna/Elke was born
in 1889. Both came >from russia. Their are also many variations to the
name rakoff.

Rakoff/Rockoff/Rackoff/Racoff/Rockov...

Also in the case of my great-grandmother she tended to lie about her
age on most documents. On her death record she was listed in her 70's
and born in 1901, when she was really in her 90's and born in 1889. So
In 1921, She would be about 32 and he would be 37.
So any and all help is appreciated and advice is good to.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JGS Oregon: Monthly Meetings resume September 19th #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon

Notice of September Monthly Meeting

Date: Monday, September 19, 2005
Time: 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm
Place: Neveh Shalom Congregation
2900 Peaceful Lane
Portland, Oregon
(Beaverton-Hillsdale Highway/North on Dosch Rd/Right on Peaceful Lane)

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) invites you, your
family, and friends to our September monthly meeting.

A Curator Looks at Genealogy
Two important local Jewish groups share their mutual interests.
presented by Anne LeVant Prahl

Anne LeVant Prahl is the collections curator at the Oregon Jewish Museum
where she has been involved since 1993. She holds a Masters Degree in
Museum Studies >from the University of Texas, Austin and an undergraduate
degree in Linguistic Anthropology >from Oberlin College. She has worked
with small museum collections across the country. Ms. Prahl received her
archival training with the National Park Service’s Museum Branch in
Boston where she processed the holdings of Americans who lived in New
England >from 1650 to 1950. At the Oregon Jewish Museum, Ms. Prahl
manages the archival and material culture collections of the museum,
ensuring that they are available to researchers. She also oversees the
Oral History Project that documents the lives of Oregonians in their own
words.

Ms. Prahl will speak on the connections between museums’ material
culture collections and genealogical research. Material culture has long
been overlooked by genealogists as a source rich in information on
family members. She will discuss how curators can be of use to
researchers and how researchers can help to fill in the gaps in museum
collection documentation.

This event is *free* to JGSO members. Contributions at the door of $2 door
are requested >from non-members to help us defray the meeting cost.
Contribution can be deducted >from new membership if you join that evening.

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@earthlink.net. Once you are on the list, you will
receive periodic messages concerning Jewish genealogy. Your name and
e-mail address will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon.

For more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web
site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs, or call Sandra Shapiro at 503-694-5646.

The JGSO is affiliated with the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Oregon: Monthly Meetings resume September 19th #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon

Notice of September Monthly Meeting

Date: Monday, September 19, 2005
Time: 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm
Place: Neveh Shalom Congregation
2900 Peaceful Lane
Portland, Oregon
(Beaverton-Hillsdale Highway/North on Dosch Rd/Right on Peaceful Lane)

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) invites you, your
family, and friends to our September monthly meeting.

A Curator Looks at Genealogy
Two important local Jewish groups share their mutual interests.
presented by Anne LeVant Prahl

Anne LeVant Prahl is the collections curator at the Oregon Jewish Museum
where she has been involved since 1993. She holds a Masters Degree in
Museum Studies >from the University of Texas, Austin and an undergraduate
degree in Linguistic Anthropology >from Oberlin College. She has worked
with small museum collections across the country. Ms. Prahl received her
archival training with the National Park Service’s Museum Branch in
Boston where she processed the holdings of Americans who lived in New
England >from 1650 to 1950. At the Oregon Jewish Museum, Ms. Prahl
manages the archival and material culture collections of the museum,
ensuring that they are available to researchers. She also oversees the
Oral History Project that documents the lives of Oregonians in their own
words.

Ms. Prahl will speak on the connections between museums’ material
culture collections and genealogical research. Material culture has long
been overlooked by genealogists as a source rich in information on
family members. She will discuss how curators can be of use to
researchers and how researchers can help to fill in the gaps in museum
collection documentation.

This event is *free* to JGSO members. Contributions at the door of $2 door
are requested >from non-members to help us defray the meeting cost.
Contribution can be deducted >from new membership if you join that evening.

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@earthlink.net. Once you are on the list, you will
receive periodic messages concerning Jewish genealogy. Your name and
e-mail address will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon.

For more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web
site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs, or call Sandra Shapiro at 503-694-5646.

The JGSO is affiliated with the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies.


My Familyinc.com offer to assist genealogy societies in Hurricane Katrina ravaged areas #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

At the Federation of Genealogy Societies (FGS) conference this week,
MyFamilyInc.com which owns among other entities, My Family, Ancestry.com,
genealogy.com, Family Tree Make, rootsweb, etc. vice president Mike
Sherrod, announced in addition to monetary contributions to help after
Hurricane Katrina, they were prepared help protect and help to restore the
genealogical communities located in the south ravaged by Hurricane
Katrina. Their offer is to any society or library with genealogy areas that
have been affected by Katrina. If anyone has such a need please contact me
at jan@IAJGS.org and I can put you in touch with Mike Sherrod. I am
purposely not posting his private telephone number or e-mail in keeping with
the JewishGen rules.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Board Member


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen My Familyinc.com offer to assist genealogy societies in Hurricane Katrina ravaged areas #general

jan meisels allen <janmallen@...>
 

At the Federation of Genealogy Societies (FGS) conference this week,
MyFamilyInc.com which owns among other entities, My Family, Ancestry.com,
genealogy.com, Family Tree Make, rootsweb, etc. vice president Mike
Sherrod, announced in addition to monetary contributions to help after
Hurricane Katrina, they were prepared help protect and help to restore the
genealogical communities located in the south ravaged by Hurricane
Katrina. Their offer is to any society or library with genealogy areas that
have been affected by Katrina. If anyone has such a need please contact me
at jan@IAJGS.org and I can put you in touch with Mike Sherrod. I am
purposely not posting his private telephone number or e-mail in keeping with
the JewishGen rules.

Jan Meisels Allen
IAJGS Board Member


Re: Viguel de Sus or Felso Viso #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>
 

(1) Barsana (Barczanfalva): In Sefer Marmaros, this town is called
in Yiddish "Birsanif", with listed town name variations in Hungarian
"Barcanfalva" and in Romanian "Barsana", located in the area of
Dragomirest, approximately 20 km southeast of Szighet. (In JGSS
4749 N latitude, 2404 E longitute). The article about this town in
Sefer Marmaros is about 1.5 pages.

(2) Viguel de Sus or Felso Viso: In Sefer Marmaros, this town is
called in Yiddish "Ober Visheve" or "Ober Wisho", in Hungarian
"Felsoviso", and in Romanian "Viseul de Sus", located
approximately 60 km southeast of Szighet. (In JGSS 4743 N
latitude, 2426 E longitute). The article about this town in Sefer
Marmaros is a major article, over 34 pages with many pictures and
illustrations.

Mr Yehuda Kahane is a native of Ober Visheve. He is the
president of the Israeli branch of the Society of Marmaros Survivors
and director of Beis Marmaros in Tel Aviv (i.e., the publisher of
Sefer Marmaros).

Both towns are presently located in Romania. Note that all of the
Hungarian and Romanian town names mentioned contain diacritics.

Hope this helps,

Moshe Davis

I believe the place you are referring to was known as Oiber Vishiva in
Yiddish.

All the best,

Miriam Klein
Brooklyn, NY

Subject: Viguel de Sus or Felso Viso
From: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:54:15 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2

Hi,

I have an uncle that married in Barsana (Barczanfalva)
Romania in 1884. The records record his place of birth as
Viguel de Sus or Felso Viso.

Does anybody have any idea where this is and what it is
called today?

Thanks!
Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: 1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census database #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Eric,
Congratulations! What's next on the agenda?
Robert

--- "Eric M. Bloch" <bloch@wi.rr.com> wrote:

Great news! The 1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census
database project has
been completed, with close to 30,000 entries.
Thanks very much to all
those volunteers who have made this possible. Not
only did they give of
their time to transcribe and enter the data into the
database, but those
who rented the microfilms and shlepped to their
local FHLs to read them
did so at their own expense. All deserve big kudos
and our gratitude
for their hard work.

Happy Hunting!
Eric M. Bloch, coordinator

Moderator: This is a monumental accomplishment!
Thanks to Eric and to all of the volunteers who
worked on this project.


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE:Viguel de Sus or Felso Viso #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>
 

(1) Barsana (Barczanfalva): In Sefer Marmaros, this town is called
in Yiddish "Birsanif", with listed town name variations in Hungarian
"Barcanfalva" and in Romanian "Barsana", located in the area of
Dragomirest, approximately 20 km southeast of Szighet. (In JGSS
4749 N latitude, 2404 E longitute). The article about this town in
Sefer Marmaros is about 1.5 pages.

(2) Viguel de Sus or Felso Viso: In Sefer Marmaros, this town is
called in Yiddish "Ober Visheve" or "Ober Wisho", in Hungarian
"Felsoviso", and in Romanian "Viseul de Sus", located
approximately 60 km southeast of Szighet. (In JGSS 4743 N
latitude, 2426 E longitute). The article about this town in Sefer
Marmaros is a major article, over 34 pages with many pictures and
illustrations.

Mr Yehuda Kahane is a native of Ober Visheve. He is the
president of the Israeli branch of the Society of Marmaros Survivors
and director of Beis Marmaros in Tel Aviv (i.e., the publisher of
Sefer Marmaros).

Both towns are presently located in Romania. Note that all of the
Hungarian and Romanian town names mentioned contain diacritics.

Hope this helps,

Moshe Davis

I believe the place you are referring to was known as Oiber Vishiva in
Yiddish.

All the best,

Miriam Klein
Brooklyn, NY

Subject: Viguel de Sus or Felso Viso
From: "moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 22:54:15 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2

Hi,

I have an uncle that married in Barsana (Barczanfalva)
Romania in 1884. The records record his place of birth as
Viguel de Sus or Felso Viso.

Does anybody have any idea where this is and what it is
called today?

Thanks!
Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
Brooklyn, NY

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the message. Please make sure to include a relevant subject line in
all messages.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: 1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census database #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Eric,
Congratulations! What's next on the agenda?
Robert

--- "Eric M. Bloch" <bloch@wi.rr.com> wrote:

Great news! The 1828 Hungarian Property Tax Census
database project has
been completed, with close to 30,000 entries.
Thanks very much to all
those volunteers who have made this possible. Not
only did they give of
their time to transcribe and enter the data into the
database, but those
who rented the microfilms and shlepped to their
local FHLs to read them
did so at their own expense. All deserve big kudos
and our gratitude
for their hard work.

Happy Hunting!
Eric M. Bloch, coordinator

Moderator: This is a monumental accomplishment!
Thanks to Eric and to all of the volunteers who
worked on this project.