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Re: Kosice Cemetery #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

it's little distressing to see that the english pages on that web site, along with all references to "zidovsky" (jewish), seem to have been removed. (all the pages that turned up in a google search for "zidovsky site:kosice.sk" appear to be missing >from the server.) "zidov" also doesn't return any results >from the site's own search feature.

is this just a restructuring of the web site, or a purge of the city's jewish history?


....... tom klein, toronto

ps. i understand the moderator's note, but accessing the pages other than through the domain name itself is not a good idea.

"moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com> wrote:

Does anybody know the current link to the Kosice cemetery
online? It used to be
http://www.kosice.sk/history/zidovsky/jevish0.htm

but that page does not come up. If someone can read Slovak,
perhaps they can find it on
http://www.kosice.sk/

Thanks!
Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
Brooklyn, NY

Moderator: The URL is http://147.232.145.11/history/zidovsky/jevish0.htm


Girls teachers' training school in Miskolc #hungary

levinson <levinson@...>
 

Dear H-Siggers,

My aunt Hochfelder Judit (1924-1944) studied in the teachers' training
school in Miskolc >from November 1943 to April 1944. I am looking for
information about this school but did not find much in the memorial book of
the town. Is there any other source? Can you address me to survivors who
studied there?

Esther Levinson

Beer Sheva, Israel

Researching: Hochfelder, Neumann, Baum, Mandel and Weiler


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Kosice Cemetery #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

it's little distressing to see that the english pages on that web site, along with all references to "zidovsky" (jewish), seem to have been removed. (all the pages that turned up in a google search for "zidovsky site:kosice.sk" appear to be missing >from the server.) "zidov" also doesn't return any results >from the site's own search feature.

is this just a restructuring of the web site, or a purge of the city's jewish history?


....... tom klein, toronto

ps. i understand the moderator's note, but accessing the pages other than through the domain name itself is not a good idea.

"moishe@langsam.com" <moishe@langsam.com> wrote:

Does anybody know the current link to the Kosice cemetery
online? It used to be
http://www.kosice.sk/history/zidovsky/jevish0.htm

but that page does not come up. If someone can read Slovak,
perhaps they can find it on
http://www.kosice.sk/

Thanks!
Moishe Miller
moishe@langsam.com
Brooklyn, NY

Moderator: The URL is http://147.232.145.11/history/zidovsky/jevish0.htm


Hungary SIG #Hungary Girls teachers' training school in Miskolc #hungary

levinson <levinson@...>
 

Dear H-Siggers,

My aunt Hochfelder Judit (1924-1944) studied in the teachers' training
school in Miskolc >from November 1943 to April 1944. I am looking for
information about this school but did not find much in the memorial book of
the town. Is there any other source? Can you address me to survivors who
studied there?

Esther Levinson

Beer Sheva, Israel

Researching: Hochfelder, Neumann, Baum, Mandel and Weiler


Re: Szadello, Abauj-Torna #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Bonnie Frederics,

The current name of SZADELO (accents on the "a" and "o") is ZADIEL in
Slovak. The village is located between Kosice and Roznava, abt. 15
kilometers >from Szepsi (Moldava nad Bodvou in Slovakian), and close to
the border of Hungary. If you need the entries of Szadelo Jews, you can
find them in the Jewish records book of Szepsi, I think.

Regards,

Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary


Re: Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

a good resource for finding places is the radix 1913 gazetteer at <http://www.bogardi.com/gen/>. if you type "szade", you will quickly find sza'delo:", in abauj-torna megye, in modern-day slovakia. (and it will even plot it on a map for you!)



....... tom klein, toronto

"B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:
Would anyone know the current name for Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna? I got
this >from the 1869 census but cannot find such a place on Mapquest.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Szadello, Abauj-Torna #hungary

Bacskai Sándor <bacskaisanyi@...>
 

Dear Bonnie Frederics,

The current name of SZADELO (accents on the "a" and "o") is ZADIEL in
Slovak. The village is located between Kosice and Roznava, abt. 15
kilometers >from Szepsi (Moldava nad Bodvou in Slovakian), and close to
the border of Hungary. If you need the entries of Szadelo Jews, you can
find them in the Jewish records book of Szepsi, I think.

Regards,

Sandor Bacskai
Budapest, Hungary


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

a good resource for finding places is the radix 1913 gazetteer at <http://www.bogardi.com/gen/>. if you type "szade", you will quickly find sza'delo:", in abauj-torna megye, in modern-day slovakia. (and it will even plot it on a map for you!)



....... tom klein, toronto

"B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:
Would anyone know the current name for Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna? I got
this >from the 1869 census but cannot find such a place on Mapquest.


Re: INTRO - Seeking MICHAELIS #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Lorraine Garcia schrieb:
The family names and towns that I am researching are:
- My mother Eveline Ursula MICHAELIS was born in Charlottenberg,
Germany, (I believe 104 Wilmersdorfer Str.) in 1925. She came to the US
in 1926 with her parents. - My great grandfather was Max Paul MICHAELIS,
born 1866 and died at the hand of the Nazis 1944.

Dear Lorraine,
I would like to check on your family, but for a start it should be
cleared up whether you really mean

CharlottenbErg

as the place of origin of your family. CharlottenbErg is a city in the
Rhineland-Palatinate not far >from Koblenz.

But there is a more frequently occurring place called CharlottenbUrg.
This is a city district of Berlin. The street address Wilmersdorfer Str.
seems to point into the direction of Berlin and CharlottenBURG.

Perhaps you can shed some light on that, with kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>


Force Labor Battelion (Units 101/6 & 108/31) + 401 Penal Company #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can get more information about
Hungarian Forced Labor Units 101/6 & 108/31 and the 401 Penal Company?

My grandfather Miklos BREUER disappeared at the "Loello Battlefield" on the
Eastern Front on January 17, 1943 on the Russian front shortly after the
collapse of the 2nd Hungarian Army at the bend at the Don River. Can anyone tell
me where the Loello Battlefield was?

His brother Laszlo BREUER disappeared at Ilinka, Krasna, Ukraine (near
Rostov) on the same day.

My other grandfather, Antal LINHARDT, was in the 401 Penal Company.

I posted Miklos & Laszlo's records I obtained >from Vad Yashem on ViewMate
VM6851 & VM6852.

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA

Searching: BREUER, LINHARDT
http://www.PaulLinhardt.com


German SIG #Germany Re: INTRO - Seeking MICHAELIS #germany

Fritz Neubauer
 

Lorraine Garcia schrieb:
The family names and towns that I am researching are:
- My mother Eveline Ursula MICHAELIS was born in Charlottenberg,
Germany, (I believe 104 Wilmersdorfer Str.) in 1925. She came to the US
in 1926 with her parents. - My great grandfather was Max Paul MICHAELIS,
born 1866 and died at the hand of the Nazis 1944.

Dear Lorraine,
I would like to check on your family, but for a start it should be
cleared up whether you really mean

CharlottenbErg

as the place of origin of your family. CharlottenbErg is a city in the
Rhineland-Palatinate not far >from Koblenz.

But there is a more frequently occurring place called CharlottenbUrg.
This is a city district of Berlin. The street address Wilmersdorfer Str.
seems to point into the direction of Berlin and CharlottenBURG.

Perhaps you can shed some light on that, with kind regards

Fritz Neubauer, North Germany <fritz.neubauer@uni-bielefeld.de>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Force Labor Battelion (Units 101/6 & 108/31) + 401 Penal Company #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

Does anyone have any suggestions of how I can get more information about
Hungarian Forced Labor Units 101/6 & 108/31 and the 401 Penal Company?

My grandfather Miklos BREUER disappeared at the "Loello Battlefield" on the
Eastern Front on January 17, 1943 on the Russian front shortly after the
collapse of the 2nd Hungarian Army at the bend at the Don River. Can anyone tell
me where the Loello Battlefield was?

His brother Laszlo BREUER disappeared at Ilinka, Krasna, Ukraine (near
Rostov) on the same day.

My other grandfather, Antal LINHARDT, was in the 401 Penal Company.

I posted Miklos & Laszlo's records I obtained >from Vad Yashem on ViewMate
VM6851 & VM6852.

Paul Linhardt
Pacific Grove, CA

Searching: BREUER, LINHARDT
http://www.PaulLinhardt.com


Re: Seek advice about MICHAELIS ancestors just recognized as Jewish #germany

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Lorraine, in checking the name MICHAELIS on the Yad Vashem's Central
Database of Shoah Victim's Names <http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/
portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_9I?next_form=advanced_search>, I found 8
pages of murdered people by that name, the vast majority of them >from
Berlin. [Charlottenberg is a suburb of Berlin.] I would suggest that
you join a local Jewish genealogy society to obtain the greatest help
in doing Jewish genealogy. If you go to the IAJGS website
[www.iajgs.org], you can look up a member organisation in your area.

Good luck! Martha Lev-Zion, Omer, Israel <martha@bgu.ac.il>


German SIG #Germany Re: Seek advice about MICHAELIS ancestors just recognized as Jewish #germany

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

Lorraine, in checking the name MICHAELIS on the Yad Vashem's Central
Database of Shoah Victim's Names <http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/
portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_9I?next_form=advanced_search>, I found 8
pages of murdered people by that name, the vast majority of them >from
Berlin. [Charlottenberg is a suburb of Berlin.] I would suggest that
you join a local Jewish genealogy society to obtain the greatest help
in doing Jewish genealogy. If you go to the IAJGS website
[www.iajgs.org], you can look up a member organisation in your area.

Good luck! Martha Lev-Zion, Omer, Israel <martha@bgu.ac.il>


Re: Seek advice about MICHAELIS ancestors just recognized as Jewish #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Dear Lorraine:

There have been many Jews with the surname MICHAELIS. Someone named Max
Paul MICHAELIS may have been Jewish--or not. That he was murdered by
Nazi criminals doesn't make him Jewish, of course--the Nazis found lots
of people to murder. You may indeed have Jewish ancestors, and I wish
you all the best of luck in your research--no matter what the outcome. But:

What Internet checking told you that the name MICHAELIS is Jewish? I
just did some myself, and found tons of Gentile MICHAELISes in Germany.

For starters, there's always the phone book.

www.dastelefonbuch.de

gives you the whole country at a glance. There are businesses and
multiple listings, so take their counts and divide by two. 400+
listings for MICHAELIS in Berlin; 182 in Hamburg; 87 in Bremen; and so
on. And that's in 2005!

Next, hop over to www.familysearch.org and search for the name in
Germany. Again, lots of listings. Many are baptismal records. Many
more come >from before 1800, when very few Jews had surnames at all.

The name MICHAELIS is a Latinized possessive: "of Michael." It's always
used when referring to a church of St. Michael: that's a
Michaelis-Kirche. Latinized names are not uncommon in Germany: the
composer Michael PRAETORIUS was Michael SCHULZE before he translated
himself. Some even used Greek, like Luther's colleague Philipp
MELANCHTHON (black earth), who was Philipp SCHWARZERD (black earth) to
his parents.

In general, there are hardly any surnames that, by themselves, indicate
a high probability that a person or his/her ancestry was Jewish. That's
true in Germany and elsewhere. The only reliable exceptions are rare
surnames that were only used by one family, where that family was
Jewish. There are several names I've worked with that most likely fall
into that category--but they obviously won't ever add up to a large
percentage of the population.

That said, you should contact the Standesamt (registry office) in
Charlottenburg [note spelling!], which is part of Berlin. (There *is* a
Charlottenberg in Hessen, but it had a population of under 200 in the
1930's, so I'm going to assume you meant the one in Berlin.) You might
also share with us the names of her parents. Does she have any old
passports of theirs, or other papers?

There's more than one researcher listed on the JewishGen Family Finder
who's into MICHAELIS/Berlin, and you can contact them with a
query--that's why they're listed.

Best of luck, and keep in touch!

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ
...whose mother was born in Charlottenburg, too!

Lorraine Garcia wrote:

I'm wondering if I can perhaps get some guidance in this particular
matter. My mother was born in Charlottenberg, Germany, and came to the
US as an infant alone with only her parents. Her parents never told her
anything but the sketchiest details of her relatives or their past. As
I was talking with her today she said she wanted to do some family
history research. We did some internet checking and found that her
family surname, MICHAELIS is Jewish, at least in Germany. We have a
family picture of my great grandfather, Max Paul MICHAELIS, on which my
grandfather wrote he was "murdered by Nazi criminals" in 1944. Until
yesterday, we had no idea, and please forgive our ignorance, that
MICHAELIS was a Jewish surname. So you can imagine our shock when we
realized that many of our family may have died in death camps. This is
rather overwhelming information for us and we feel an urgent need to
find out the truth about our ancestry. Any suggestions for information
would be welcome. Also, any information about the MICHAELIS family in
Germany would be greatly appreciated.


German SIG #Germany Re: Seek advice about MICHAELIS ancestors just recognized as Jewish #germany

Roger Lustig <trovato@...>
 

Dear Lorraine:

There have been many Jews with the surname MICHAELIS. Someone named Max
Paul MICHAELIS may have been Jewish--or not. That he was murdered by
Nazi criminals doesn't make him Jewish, of course--the Nazis found lots
of people to murder. You may indeed have Jewish ancestors, and I wish
you all the best of luck in your research--no matter what the outcome. But:

What Internet checking told you that the name MICHAELIS is Jewish? I
just did some myself, and found tons of Gentile MICHAELISes in Germany.

For starters, there's always the phone book.

www.dastelefonbuch.de

gives you the whole country at a glance. There are businesses and
multiple listings, so take their counts and divide by two. 400+
listings for MICHAELIS in Berlin; 182 in Hamburg; 87 in Bremen; and so
on. And that's in 2005!

Next, hop over to www.familysearch.org and search for the name in
Germany. Again, lots of listings. Many are baptismal records. Many
more come >from before 1800, when very few Jews had surnames at all.

The name MICHAELIS is a Latinized possessive: "of Michael." It's always
used when referring to a church of St. Michael: that's a
Michaelis-Kirche. Latinized names are not uncommon in Germany: the
composer Michael PRAETORIUS was Michael SCHULZE before he translated
himself. Some even used Greek, like Luther's colleague Philipp
MELANCHTHON (black earth), who was Philipp SCHWARZERD (black earth) to
his parents.

In general, there are hardly any surnames that, by themselves, indicate
a high probability that a person or his/her ancestry was Jewish. That's
true in Germany and elsewhere. The only reliable exceptions are rare
surnames that were only used by one family, where that family was
Jewish. There are several names I've worked with that most likely fall
into that category--but they obviously won't ever add up to a large
percentage of the population.

That said, you should contact the Standesamt (registry office) in
Charlottenburg [note spelling!], which is part of Berlin. (There *is* a
Charlottenberg in Hessen, but it had a population of under 200 in the
1930's, so I'm going to assume you meant the one in Berlin.) You might
also share with us the names of her parents. Does she have any old
passports of theirs, or other papers?

There's more than one researcher listed on the JewishGen Family Finder
who's into MICHAELIS/Berlin, and you can contact them with a
query--that's why they're listed.

Best of luck, and keep in touch!

Roger Lustig Princeton, NJ
...whose mother was born in Charlottenburg, too!

Lorraine Garcia wrote:

I'm wondering if I can perhaps get some guidance in this particular
matter. My mother was born in Charlottenberg, Germany, and came to the
US as an infant alone with only her parents. Her parents never told her
anything but the sketchiest details of her relatives or their past. As
I was talking with her today she said she wanted to do some family
history research. We did some internet checking and found that her
family surname, MICHAELIS is Jewish, at least in Germany. We have a
family picture of my great grandfather, Max Paul MICHAELIS, on which my
grandfather wrote he was "murdered by Nazi criminals" in 1944. Until
yesterday, we had no idea, and please forgive our ignorance, that
MICHAELIS was a Jewish surname. So you can imagine our shock when we
realized that many of our family may have died in death camps. This is
rather overwhelming information for us and we feel an urgent need to
find out the truth about our ancestry. Any suggestions for information
would be welcome. Also, any information about the MICHAELIS family in
Germany would be greatly appreciated.


Afrikaans Spellcheck #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

Colin Pretorius, of the e-GSSA digest has advised about a good Afrikaans
spell-checker that has been posted on the Sa Genealogie mailing list,
www.wspel.co.za

Highly recommended for anyone who does any sort of work in Afrikaans.

Thanks to Colin in Australia.

Saul


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Afrikaans Spellcheck #southafrica

Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

Colin Pretorius, of the e-GSSA digest has advised about a good Afrikaans
spell-checker that has been posted on the Sa Genealogie mailing list,
www.wspel.co.za

Highly recommended for anyone who does any sort of work in Afrikaans.

Thanks to Colin in Australia.

Saul


Re: SA Country Communities Vol. 2 #southafrica

stan hart <stanhart@...>
 

Dear Genners

I respect what has been said by Saul about the book "Jewish Life in SA
Country Communities Vol 2" and am sure that it will be a must for anyone
tracing the families of those who lived in the area covered by the book.

However, I will disagree with Saul's last statement ..... "For me it has
also highlighted, again, the problem of no equivalent project
for the 'urban' Jews of the cities of South Africa."

There is a team of writers and compilers working feverishly in Durban to
finalise a major work which will be published on the Durban Jewish
community. This obviously takes into account the previous two works in
the past, and traces the history of families, personalities, those in
professions, art, drama, music and sport almost to the present day.
Hopefully this work will be completed within the next year. I will keep
you posted on progress.

Stan Hart


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Re: SA Country Communities Vol. 2 #southafrica

stan hart <stanhart@...>
 

Dear Genners

I respect what has been said by Saul about the book "Jewish Life in SA
Country Communities Vol 2" and am sure that it will be a must for anyone
tracing the families of those who lived in the area covered by the book.

However, I will disagree with Saul's last statement ..... "For me it has
also highlighted, again, the problem of no equivalent project
for the 'urban' Jews of the cities of South Africa."

There is a team of writers and compilers working feverishly in Durban to
finalise a major work which will be published on the Durban Jewish
community. This obviously takes into account the previous two works in
the past, and traces the history of families, personalities, those in
professions, art, drama, music and sport almost to the present day.
Hopefully this work will be completed within the next year. I will keep
you posted on progress.

Stan Hart