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"Czernew"/"Czernitz" Present Belarus Town Name #belarus

Rubin & Litman <brubin@...>
 

Shel,

What year did these people come over? The town of "Cherven", 37.7 miles ESE of Minsk,
got that name sometime after the Russian Revolution. Before it was called "Cherven",
the name of this town was Igumen.
-Bill Rubin
Arlington, MA
brubin@...

Lida - CHIGOROVICH, FURMAN, GORAVICH, HOROWITZ,SCHRIBER, SKOLNICK,
WOLCHUCK, LEARNER
Vasilishki- KOSHINEVSKY/KOSCHETZINEVSKY, CHIGOROVICH, HOROWITZ, BERNSTEIN
Zeludock - KOSHINEVSKY /KOSCHETZINEVSKY,
Eishishok - SCHRIBER, FINESCHRIBER, SKOLNICK, BERNSTEIN
Seliba, Belarus - RUBINCHIK, NISHNEVITZ, KOOSHUK
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Shel Bercovich wrote:


Hi All,

On one EIDB entry for a family the Town of Origin is written as "Czernew".
Two years later, other members of the same family are shown as coming
from "Czernitz".
Likely present day town names >from ShtetlSeeker and other data >from the
appropriate area would suggest "Chernitskiy", Cherven", "Carnava", or
"Chernyavka".


Belarus SIG #Belarus "Czernew"/"Czernitz" Present Belarus Town Name #belarus

Rubin & Litman <brubin@...>
 

Shel,

What year did these people come over? The town of "Cherven", 37.7 miles ESE of Minsk,
got that name sometime after the Russian Revolution. Before it was called "Cherven",
the name of this town was Igumen.
-Bill Rubin
Arlington, MA
brubin@...

Lida - CHIGOROVICH, FURMAN, GORAVICH, HOROWITZ,SCHRIBER, SKOLNICK,
WOLCHUCK, LEARNER
Vasilishki- KOSHINEVSKY/KOSCHETZINEVSKY, CHIGOROVICH, HOROWITZ, BERNSTEIN
Zeludock - KOSHINEVSKY /KOSCHETZINEVSKY,
Eishishok - SCHRIBER, FINESCHRIBER, SKOLNICK, BERNSTEIN
Seliba, Belarus - RUBINCHIK, NISHNEVITZ, KOOSHUK
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Shel Bercovich wrote:


Hi All,

On one EIDB entry for a family the Town of Origin is written as "Czernew".
Two years later, other members of the same family are shown as coming
from "Czernitz".
Likely present day town names >from ShtetlSeeker and other data >from the
appropriate area would suggest "Chernitskiy", Cherven", "Carnava", or
"Chernyavka".


Re: Translation help needed: English -> English (really) #belarus

Dan Breslau <sinespam@...>
 

I'd like to say a belated but heartfelt "thank you!" to all who
responded to my earlier plea for help deciphering the handwriting at
EIDB. (I would like to be able to respond to all of you individually,
but I received an astonishing number of replies, and I simply wasn't
able to keep up!)

As with the rest of life, there's still nothing fully settled here, but
I think I have some good guesses now. The name probably *is* Itzig, as
many of you wrote. I'm going to assume for now that the town is
Horodziej (now *Gorodeya*), about 60 miles SW of Minsk. The brother's
name is still the biggest challenge, but I suspect that even if the
surname is different, it's probably referring to my ggf's brother Barney
(Barnet?) Breslau.

I was kind-of hoping the town would correspond to someplace NW of Minsk,
as that would better help me tie my family's history to a branch of
Breslaus that I suspect are related, but piecing those stories together
will have to wait for another day.

Thank you, again, for all your help!

-- Dan

--
Searching:
BRESLAU/BRESLOVSKI, COHEN (Russia),
SCHREIBER, GRAD/GROSS, ROSENBAUM, DEUTSCH, GLUCK, NEUVOHNER (Hungary),
LANDAU, GOTTLIEB (Austria)


Re: Jews deported to Siberian Gulags #belarus

Israel P
 

If anyone is interested, I have a photo of my grandmother (and a few others)
supposedly in Siberia 1906-7, after her involvement in the first revolution.

Israel Pickholtz


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Translation help needed: English -> English (really) #belarus

Dan Breslau <sinespam@...>
 

I'd like to say a belated but heartfelt "thank you!" to all who
responded to my earlier plea for help deciphering the handwriting at
EIDB. (I would like to be able to respond to all of you individually,
but I received an astonishing number of replies, and I simply wasn't
able to keep up!)

As with the rest of life, there's still nothing fully settled here, but
I think I have some good guesses now. The name probably *is* Itzig, as
many of you wrote. I'm going to assume for now that the town is
Horodziej (now *Gorodeya*), about 60 miles SW of Minsk. The brother's
name is still the biggest challenge, but I suspect that even if the
surname is different, it's probably referring to my ggf's brother Barney
(Barnet?) Breslau.

I was kind-of hoping the town would correspond to someplace NW of Minsk,
as that would better help me tie my family's history to a branch of
Breslaus that I suspect are related, but piecing those stories together
will have to wait for another day.

Thank you, again, for all your help!

-- Dan

--
Searching:
BRESLAU/BRESLOVSKI, COHEN (Russia),
SCHREIBER, GRAD/GROSS, ROSENBAUM, DEUTSCH, GLUCK, NEUVOHNER (Hungary),
LANDAU, GOTTLIEB (Austria)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Jews deported to Siberian Gulags #belarus

Israel P
 

If anyone is interested, I have a photo of my grandmother (and a few others)
supposedly in Siberia 1906-7, after her involvement in the first revolution.

Israel Pickholtz


Zalman David AUERBACH from Polotsk #rabbinic

dotvic <dotvic@...>
 

Does anyone recognize the name Zalman David AUERBACH, born 1842 in
Polotsk, Belarus? He was my great-great-grandfather. As a child I
had the idea he was a rabbi but I have no proof.

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers
Tucson, Arizona, USA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Zalman David AUERBACH from Polotsk #rabbinic

dotvic <dotvic@...>
 

Does anyone recognize the name Zalman David AUERBACH, born 1842 in
Polotsk, Belarus? He was my great-great-grandfather. As a child I
had the idea he was a rabbi but I have no proof.

Dorothy Auerbach Rivers
Tucson, Arizona, USA


Re: Is ELSON a Common Jewish Name? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 05:07:03 UTC, brendajf@... opined:

I have a newly discovered cousin whose last name is ELSON. I also went to school
with someone whose last name is Elson. Is that a common Jewish name?
One supposes that the name means "Eli's son". It might as well have been
"Ellison" or anything similar, even with an arbitrary second element other
than "-son", as Michael Bernet has pointed out. So the name belongs to a
large class of "Jewish" surnames based on various forenames. Whether it is
"a common Jewish name" depends on what "common" means, to paraphrase a
formerly prominent American, and how literal you want to be about the
specific form.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Is ELSON a Common Jewish Name? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 05:07:03 UTC, brendajf@... opined:

I have a newly discovered cousin whose last name is ELSON. I also went to school
with someone whose last name is Elson. Is that a common Jewish name?
One supposes that the name means "Eli's son". It might as well have been
"Ellison" or anything similar, even with an arbitrary second element other
than "-son", as Michael Bernet has pointed out. So the name belongs to a
large class of "Jewish" surnames based on various forenames. Whether it is
"a common Jewish name" depends on what "common" means, to paraphrase a
formerly prominent American, and how literal you want to be about the
specific form.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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Re: Branches on Tombstones #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:08:13 UTC, isabelcym@... opined:

In a photo taken at graveside circa 1917, the tombstone is partially covered
with small branches. They seem recent, but the leaves are dried out. Does
anyone know the significance of this?

By the way, the grave is in Siedlce, Poland, and is of my ggf, Josef Mendel
GRYNFARB.

Isabel Cymerman
isabelcym@...
A broken branch is an obvious symbol for a truncated life. One sees in
Christian cemeteries monuments in the form of a cut-off treetrunk, which
convey a similar feeling. If by "significance" you mean religious meaning,
there is none.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Branches on Tombstones #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 07:08:13 UTC, isabelcym@... opined:

In a photo taken at graveside circa 1917, the tombstone is partially covered
with small branches. They seem recent, but the leaves are dried out. Does
anyone know the significance of this?

By the way, the grave is in Siedlce, Poland, and is of my ggf, Josef Mendel
GRYNFARB.

Isabel Cymerman
isabelcym@...
A broken branch is an obvious symbol for a truncated life. One sees in
Christian cemeteries monuments in the form of a cut-off treetrunk, which
convey a similar feeling. If by "significance" you mean religious meaning,
there is none.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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Re: Trip to Marrakech #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"ben.forman" < ben.forman@... > wrote in message
news:42ca5f43.ef.1820.2108@...

Hi Guys

I have just returned >from 10 days in Marrakech and thought I'd offer to share my
experiences with anyone who plans on going. There is still a small jewish
community there and several synagogues (which I didn't get to see), and a
fascinating cemetry. There are several Jewish shrines in the mountains, I visited
one on the main road to out of Marrakech to the Ourika valley. I would definately
advise a local guide with knowledge of the area and Arabic is essential as
the two members of the community I met (one at the marrakech cemetry and one -
the last Berber Jew in the Ourika Valley) only spoke Arabic. It is probably a
good idea to contact the main synagogue called the "Beth El" and they may be
able to help you in this respect and to avoid the hustlers.
I have also been to Marrakesh 25 years ago. I am surprised that noone that
Ben met spoke French. It is true that I spent most of my time in Fes.

I remember going to a kosher restaurant and seeing a kosher butcher in the
market. I said a Shalom to them but they eyed me suspiciously.

This website lists all the synagogue in Morocco
http://www.kosherdelight.com/MoroccoSynagogues.htm with communal contacts.
There is much else.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Trip to Marrakech #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"ben.forman" < ben.forman@... > wrote in message
news:42ca5f43.ef.1820.2108@...

Hi Guys

I have just returned >from 10 days in Marrakech and thought I'd offer to share my
experiences with anyone who plans on going. There is still a small jewish
community there and several synagogues (which I didn't get to see), and a
fascinating cemetry. There are several Jewish shrines in the mountains, I visited
one on the main road to out of Marrakech to the Ourika valley. I would definately
advise a local guide with knowledge of the area and Arabic is essential as
the two members of the community I met (one at the marrakech cemetry and one -
the last Berber Jew in the Ourika Valley) only spoke Arabic. It is probably a
good idea to contact the main synagogue called the "Beth El" and they may be
able to help you in this respect and to avoid the hustlers.
I have also been to Marrakesh 25 years ago. I am surprised that noone that
Ben met spoke French. It is true that I spent most of my time in Fes.

I remember going to a kosher restaurant and seeing a kosher butcher in the
market. I said a Shalom to them but they eyed me suspiciously.

This website lists all the synagogue in Morocco
http://www.kosherdelight.com/MoroccoSynagogues.htm with communal contacts.
There is much else.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


LIPKINs of Kholopenichi #general

A S Goldberg
 

I am seeking information on the LIPKIN family that lived in Kholopenichi
(Belarus) for some generations upto the Holocaust, and would appreciate
hearing >from anyone who knows of them or sources of relevant data.

I would also appreciate knowing whether there are currently any Jews living
in Kholopenichi and/or the identity of the closest Jewish community.

Please respond to me direct at alancomm@...

Thank you

Abraham Goldberg
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LIPKINs of Kholopenichi #general

A S Goldberg
 

I am seeking information on the LIPKIN family that lived in Kholopenichi
(Belarus) for some generations upto the Holocaust, and would appreciate
hearing >from anyone who knows of them or sources of relevant data.

I would also appreciate knowing whether there are currently any Jews living
in Kholopenichi and/or the identity of the closest Jewish community.

Please respond to me direct at alancomm@...

Thank you

Abraham Goldberg
Jerusalem


Mechutan of Reb Asher Hagadol #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

The following is a quote >from a family yichus letter (translated
from Hebrew):
"R' Yisrael Ostrarer was a mechutan of...Rav Asher Hagadol
and Reb Mordechai of Lechowich, who took (not clear who
took) for his son, R' Yosef, the daughter of R' Aharon of
Lechowich, a sister of R' shlomo Chaim of Koidanov, the
above R' Aharon (of Lechowich?) was a son-in-law of...
Asher Hagadol of Stolin."

This information also appears in a family tree of the PAPIRNE family
in Yerushalayim, a Karliner chosidic family.

My interest is in details regarding the above Yisrael of Ostrah.
The details we have, and I'd like additional confirmation, is that
Yisrael was the son of R' Yoseph of Breznitz (son-in-law of R' Arieh
Leib of Kremenetz who was a descendant of the MaHaRaL and the
MaHaRSHaL).

According to what is known to us, the above Yisrael of Ostrah, who
had been a disciple of Yehoshua Heschel of Apta, made Aliya
(mid-19th cent) to Tveria and was supposedly buried there at the age
of 100+ (we didn"t find burial records at the old cemetary in tveria
but were told that many records were destroyed in a flood). Also my
family believes that he went under the family name ROSENBAUM but we
have no records to confirm this. In the Sefer Tveria (published I
think in the 1960s), the name ROSENBAUM appears as a family name
that lived in Tveria. In the book there is no note of when this
person lived there or any details about him.

BTW, Rav Yacov Meir SCHECHTER of Breslev is, as I am, a descendant
of the above Yisrael of Ostrah.

Thank you for your help on the above Yisrael.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Mechutan of Reb Asher Hagadol #rabbinic

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

The following is a quote >from a family yichus letter (translated
from Hebrew):
"R' Yisrael Ostrarer was a mechutan of...Rav Asher Hagadol
and Reb Mordechai of Lechowich, who took (not clear who
took) for his son, R' Yosef, the daughter of R' Aharon of
Lechowich, a sister of R' shlomo Chaim of Koidanov, the
above R' Aharon (of Lechowich?) was a son-in-law of...
Asher Hagadol of Stolin."

This information also appears in a family tree of the PAPIRNE family
in Yerushalayim, a Karliner chosidic family.

My interest is in details regarding the above Yisrael of Ostrah.
The details we have, and I'd like additional confirmation, is that
Yisrael was the son of R' Yoseph of Breznitz (son-in-law of R' Arieh
Leib of Kremenetz who was a descendant of the MaHaRaL and the
MaHaRSHaL).

According to what is known to us, the above Yisrael of Ostrah, who
had been a disciple of Yehoshua Heschel of Apta, made Aliya
(mid-19th cent) to Tveria and was supposedly buried there at the age
of 100+ (we didn"t find burial records at the old cemetary in tveria
but were told that many records were destroyed in a flood). Also my
family believes that he went under the family name ROSENBAUM but we
have no records to confirm this. In the Sefer Tveria (published I
think in the 1960s), the name ROSENBAUM appears as a family name
that lived in Tveria. In the book there is no note of when this
person lived there or any details about him.

BTW, Rav Yacov Meir SCHECHTER of Breslev is, as I am, a descendant
of the above Yisrael of Ostrah.

Thank you for your help on the above Yisrael.

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Vienna name change documents #austria-czech

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Where can documents related to official name changes >from 1917 of Viennese
residents be found? What information might such documents contain? In
particular, would they indicate whether the old or new surnames belonged to
the subject's parents?

Thanks very much and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Vienna name change documents #austria-czech

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Where can documents related to official name changes >from 1917 of Viennese
residents be found? What information might such documents contain? In
particular, would they indicate whether the old or new surnames belonged to
the subject's parents?

Thanks very much and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.