Date   

A "Rabbi" who may not be a Rabbi #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

In reply to the query re Rabbi Zupnick:

I once had a boss in a real-estate office, a learned orthodox Jew , but not
a Rabbi-who had gone to the USA as a representative to an orthodox youth
movement. One day I noticed in a column which he wrote for the organization
that he signed his name Rabbi.....

When I asked him when he got ordination he told me the following: When he
was offered the position of a shaliach (emissary) for the youth organization
they asked him to "call" himself Rabbi for the prestige value. Not wanting
to mislead anyone he went to his own Rabbi( a well known Rosh Yeshiva in
Jerusalem) who told him that if it was understood by all that he was not a
halachic authority and it was for a short specific time he would say its ok
for him to known as "Rabbi"

I bring this case in to show that there may be even written "evidence" that
a peron is a Rabbi but that the evidence should be checked before using it
as definite proof.

On the other hand there are and were many very learned people in communities
that never went on for actual ordination/smicha who are much more
knowledgeable on Jewish tradition than many ordained Rabbis.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A "Rabbi" who may not be a Rabbi #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

In reply to the query re Rabbi Zupnick:

I once had a boss in a real-estate office, a learned orthodox Jew , but not
a Rabbi-who had gone to the USA as a representative to an orthodox youth
movement. One day I noticed in a column which he wrote for the organization
that he signed his name Rabbi.....

When I asked him when he got ordination he told me the following: When he
was offered the position of a shaliach (emissary) for the youth organization
they asked him to "call" himself Rabbi for the prestige value. Not wanting
to mislead anyone he went to his own Rabbi( a well known Rosh Yeshiva in
Jerusalem) who told him that if it was understood by all that he was not a
halachic authority and it was for a short specific time he would say its ok
for him to known as "Rabbi"

I bring this case in to show that there may be even written "evidence" that
a peron is a Rabbi but that the evidence should be checked before using it
as definite proof.

On the other hand there are and were many very learned people in communities
that never went on for actual ordination/smicha who are much more
knowledgeable on Jewish tradition than many ordained Rabbis.


Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel


Polish translations from Viewmate, please #poland

tamar.amit@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be very grateful if someone would take a look at the following
records:

1851 birth record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the birth of GEWERCMAN Wolf.
The ViewMate file is VM6836, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6836

1839 birth record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the birth of GEWERCMAN Lejzer-Hersch.
The ViewMate file is VM6837, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6837

1864 marriage record record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the marriage of Moshe GEWIRCMAN and Frieda-Mirla
Bronfenbrener
The ViewMate file is VM6841, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6841


1864 marriage record record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the marriage of Hirsch GEWIRCMAN and Matla WISMAN.
The ViewMate file is VM6842, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6842

1858 marriage record record >from Izbica, Poland.
It should be the marriage of Baruch GEWIRCMAN and Rivka TEPIK.
The ViewMate file is VM6843, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6843

I would like to know the details in the records especially names and
places (as well as exact dates), but I would also like to obtain the
other details in the record.

Any help is appreciated.

I can provide a higher resolution image if helpful.

Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@gmail.com Thank you.

Tamar Amit, Israel.


JRI Poland #Poland Polish translations from Viewmate, please #poland

tamar.amit@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

I would be very grateful if someone would take a look at the following
records:

1851 birth record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the birth of GEWERCMAN Wolf.
The ViewMate file is VM6836, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6836

1839 birth record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the birth of GEWERCMAN Lejzer-Hersch.
The ViewMate file is VM6837, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6837

1864 marriage record record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the marriage of Moshe GEWIRCMAN and Frieda-Mirla
Bronfenbrener
The ViewMate file is VM6841, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6841


1864 marriage record record >from Szczebrzeszyn , Poland.
It should be the marriage of Hirsch GEWIRCMAN and Matla WISMAN.
The ViewMate file is VM6842, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6842

1858 marriage record record >from Izbica, Poland.
It should be the marriage of Baruch GEWIRCMAN and Rivka TEPIK.
The ViewMate file is VM6843, found at the following URL:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6843

I would like to know the details in the records especially names and
places (as well as exact dates), but I would also like to obtain the
other details in the record.

Any help is appreciated.

I can provide a higher resolution image if helpful.

Kindly reply to me privately at tamar.amit@gmail.com Thank you.

Tamar Amit, Israel.


Re: Variant spellings of town names #poland

Fbussgang@...
 

No one seems to have mentioned Where Once We Walked, which gives
variants of hundreds of town names in Eastern Europe.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Variant spellings of town names #poland

Fbussgang@...
 

No one seems to have mentioned Where Once We Walked, which gives
variants of hundreds of town names in Eastern Europe.

Fay Bussgang
Lexington, MA


Ketuba translation - ViewMate 6831 #general

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Hi all -

I would greatly appreciate some assistance with a Ketuba, which is on
Viewmate at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6831

I'd like to know the date, the officiating Minister and the witnesses.

But the most important information I'm after is the Hebrew name of the
Bride's father.

The ketuba is for the marriage of my aunt Emma NOWAK to Johann KRUMM.
His name I know to be Abraham ben Abraham (he was a convert),
but her name is Malche/Malke bat ?

I was told that her father (my grandfather) was named Aaron, but have also
been told that it was Yosef. Given that his civil name was Oskar, the former
seems more likely. Since this Ketuba is the only document I have which gives
Oskar Nowak's Hebrew name, it's important to me.

Suggestions please? Please respond privately.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


Read the New York Hebrew Orphan Asylum Alumni Newsletter Online. #general

Eric@EricMarks <eric@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners -

If your research takes you back to New York's Hebrew Orphan Asylum, there's
an exceptionally helpful Web site that displays the current text and photos
of "Rising Bell," the HOA alumni newsletter.

The site is at www.risingbell.info, and well worth the visit. It currently
displays the March, 2005 and the May, 2005 Rising Bell issues. The
newsletter is full of recollections, names, events, photos and drawings.

More information is available >from the site's Webmaster, at
info@rinsingbell.info.


Eric Marks
Holland Township, New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ketuba translation - ViewMate 6831 #general

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Hi all -

I would greatly appreciate some assistance with a Ketuba, which is on
Viewmate at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6831

I'd like to know the date, the officiating Minister and the witnesses.

But the most important information I'm after is the Hebrew name of the
Bride's father.

The ketuba is for the marriage of my aunt Emma NOWAK to Johann KRUMM.
His name I know to be Abraham ben Abraham (he was a convert),
but her name is Malche/Malke bat ?

I was told that her father (my grandfather) was named Aaron, but have also
been told that it was Yosef. Given that his civil name was Oskar, the former
seems more likely. Since this Ketuba is the only document I have which gives
Oskar Nowak's Hebrew name, it's important to me.

Suggestions please? Please respond privately.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Read the New York Hebrew Orphan Asylum Alumni Newsletter Online. #general

Eric@EricMarks <eric@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners -

If your research takes you back to New York's Hebrew Orphan Asylum, there's
an exceptionally helpful Web site that displays the current text and photos
of "Rising Bell," the HOA alumni newsletter.

The site is at www.risingbell.info, and well worth the visit. It currently
displays the March, 2005 and the May, 2005 Rising Bell issues. The
newsletter is full of recollections, names, events, photos and drawings.

More information is available >from the site's Webmaster, at
info@rinsingbell.info.


Eric Marks
Holland Township, New Jersey


JGS Sacramento September 19th meeting - Memoirs of Baghdad #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

JGS Sacramento meeting

"Memoirs of Baghdad"
September 19, 7 p.m.
Albert Einstein Residence Center
1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA

Daniel Khazzoom’s family can be traced back more than
600 years in Baghdad. He will discuss this rich
heritage at the Jewish Genealogy Society Sacramento's
September meeting. Dr. Khazzoom will share
recollections of the life of the Baghdad Jewish
community, including pictures of Jewish sites and
ceremonial objects dating back hundreds of years.

The Baghdad Jews are not Ashkenazim (Jews from
Northern and Eastern Europe) or Sephardim (descendants
of Spanish and Portuguese Jews) but part of a third
major branch of Judaism, the Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern
Jews).

Dr. Khazzoom, who grew up in Baghdad, earned a Ph.D.
in mathematical economics >from Harvard and has taught
at UC Berkeley, Stanford, San Jose State and several
major universities on the east coast.

Join us for a personal look at Baghdad when Dr. Daniel
Khazzoom joins us at our September 19 meeting.

For more information about the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Sacramento, visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-sacramento/, e-mail the
JGSS at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message at
916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Sacramento September 19th meeting - Memoirs of Baghdad #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

JGS Sacramento meeting

"Memoirs of Baghdad"
September 19, 7 p.m.
Albert Einstein Residence Center
1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA

Daniel Khazzoom’s family can be traced back more than
600 years in Baghdad. He will discuss this rich
heritage at the Jewish Genealogy Society Sacramento's
September meeting. Dr. Khazzoom will share
recollections of the life of the Baghdad Jewish
community, including pictures of Jewish sites and
ceremonial objects dating back hundreds of years.

The Baghdad Jews are not Ashkenazim (Jews from
Northern and Eastern Europe) or Sephardim (descendants
of Spanish and Portuguese Jews) but part of a third
major branch of Judaism, the Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern
Jews).

Dr. Khazzoom, who grew up in Baghdad, earned a Ph.D.
in mathematical economics >from Harvard and has taught
at UC Berkeley, Stanford, San Jose State and several
major universities on the east coast.

Join us for a personal look at Baghdad when Dr. Daniel
Khazzoom joins us at our September 19 meeting.

For more information about the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Sacramento, visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-sacramento/, e-mail the
JGSS at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message at
916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou


Re: Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Near Kosice (Kosice) there is a community named Zadiel (prev. Szadello).

Regards,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

Would anyone know the current name for Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna? I
got<br>&gt;this >from the 1869 census but cannot find such a place on
Mapquest.<


Kosice cemetery #hungary

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

The link to the Kosice cemetery is at:
http://147.232.145.11/history/zidovsky/jevish0.htm

Bobby Furst


Simcha Gyorgy Bischitz-Contact Info-GYONK #hungary

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I am trying to get in touch with Mr. Simcha Gyorgy Bischitz, who has web
page for Gyonk, Hungary, but he is not responding to his email address as
provided on the website.

If anyone has updated contact information for him, please get in touch with
me privately.

Many thanks!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Near Kosice (Kosice) there is a community named Zadiel (prev. Szadello).

Regards,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

Would anyone know the current name for Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna? I
got<br>&gt;this >from the 1869 census but cannot find such a place on
Mapquest.<


Hungary SIG #Hungary Kosice cemetery #hungary

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

The link to the Kosice cemetery is at:
http://147.232.145.11/history/zidovsky/jevish0.htm

Bobby Furst


Hungary SIG #Hungary Simcha Gyorgy Bischitz-Contact Info-GYONK #hungary

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I am trying to get in touch with Mr. Simcha Gyorgy Bischitz, who has web
page for Gyonk, Hungary, but he is not responding to his email address as
provided on the website.

If anyone has updated contact information for him, please get in touch with
me privately.

Many thanks!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Re: FREUND (Paks, Nemet Ujvar, Ersekujvar) #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Hi,
Contrary to all belief people traveled. My grandmother
waas >from Eger and my grandfather >from Nagy Kanizsa. I
have ancestors >from Paks as well who ended in Tata and
Naszvad in now Slovakia.

Robert

--- MSankar <sankosy5@rogers.com> wrote:

Hello -

Thanks to the wonderfully updated info about the
1848 and 1869 censuses on
the Hungarian database, I was able to locate the
name of the man who may be
my ancestor. I had known that my GGGgrandmother,
Rosalia FREUND, was born
in 1841 in Paks, Tolna, and that her father was a
tradesman named Joachim
FREUND.

Well, this not-too-common name turned up in those
censuses:

In 1848, a 17-year-old Joachim FREUND is listed as
living in Nemet Ujvar,
Vas. I haven't had success in locating information
about this town but I
think it is/was in the Szombathely region.

In 1869, a Joachim FREUND is listed in Ersekujvar,
Nyitra, having been born
in 1818 and now the only individual of his family.
I have since found that
Ersekujvar is now Nove Zamky in the Czech Republic.

Since the daughter was born in 1841, I can assume
that that Joachim on the
1848 census is not her father, and unlikely my
ancestor. The 1869 Joachim
is much more likely the one, as he would have been
23 at the time of
Rosalia's birth. Then again, I'm not too sure how
common it was for a man
to have moved >from Paks (Tolna) in 1841 to
Ersekujvar/Nove Zamky (Nyitra/
Czech) by 1869. I thought that people stayed
relatively close to home in
those days.

I am wondering about any connection of either of
these places to Paks, and
also what sort of "Jewish" information or history
there might be about any
of the three towns. As well, is there any way to
find birth records from
1818 ? I guess I'm also looking for reassurance
that this last Joachim
FREUND could be the father of Rosalia!

Regards,
Michele Sankar
Richmond Hill, Ontario

Moderator: If you've had success using the
All-Hungary Database, please consider making a
contribution to JewishGen to help maintain our
records. Canadian supporters can make
tax-deductible contributions at http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Canada.html


Re: FREUND (Paks, Nemet Ujvar, Ersekujvar) #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Dear Michelle,

Please note that Nove Zamky is in Slovakia and not in the Czech Republic.
The good news is that much of that region has been filmed and is available
via the mormons. The bad news is that pre 1850 records are very difficult
to come by...but not impossible.

I saw some Nove Zamky records a few weeks ago in Slovakia, and there were
many FREUND listings.

Good luck,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS