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Re: Ketuba translation - ViewMate 6831 #general

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Genners -

Many thanks to all those who responded. There wasn't unanimity on the date
of the ceremony, but I did get what I needed; the Hebrew name of Oskar
Nowak, which is Aharon.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au

Hi all -

I would greatly appreciate some assistance with a Ketuba, which is on
Viewmate at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6831

snip>>>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Ketuba translation - ViewMate 6831 #general

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear Genners -

Many thanks to all those who responded. There wasn't unanimity on the date
of the ceremony, but I did get what I needed; the Hebrew name of Oskar
Nowak, which is Aharon.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au

Hi all -

I would greatly appreciate some assistance with a Ketuba, which is on
Viewmate at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6831

snip>>>>


FRIEDMANN, TEPLITZ, CULUMBUS/ Memel,Bajorai and Kretinga - Lithuania + cemetery #general

Eli <elirub@...>
 

Hello,
1. I research The FRIEDMANN, TEPLITZ and CULUMBUS families who lived prior
to WW2 in Memel/Klaipeda, Bajorai/Bajohren and Kretinga - Lithuania . Is there
somebody who has information concerning these families?
2. In a couple of weeks I'll visit the above mentioned settlements in
Lithuania as part of roots trip and I need information about the
present addresses/locations of the jewish cemetery near Kretinga and of the
Friedmann's assets in Memel/Klaipeda ( flour mills ) and in Bajorai/Bajohren
near Kretinga ( a farm and textile mill named "TeBa" ). Can you advise me
how
and where can I get this information?
n.b. there is no information on the above mentioned cemetery in the
Jewishgen site.

Please send answers to this email address: eranshsh@yahoo.com

Noga Rub


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FRIEDMANN, TEPLITZ, CULUMBUS/ Memel,Bajorai and Kretinga - Lithuania + cemetery #general

Eli <elirub@...>
 

Hello,
1. I research The FRIEDMANN, TEPLITZ and CULUMBUS families who lived prior
to WW2 in Memel/Klaipeda, Bajorai/Bajohren and Kretinga - Lithuania . Is there
somebody who has information concerning these families?
2. In a couple of weeks I'll visit the above mentioned settlements in
Lithuania as part of roots trip and I need information about the
present addresses/locations of the jewish cemetery near Kretinga and of the
Friedmann's assets in Memel/Klaipeda ( flour mills ) and in Bajorai/Bajohren
near Kretinga ( a farm and textile mill named "TeBa" ). Can you advise me
how
and where can I get this information?
n.b. there is no information on the above mentioned cemetery in the
Jewishgen site.

Please send answers to this email address: eranshsh@yahoo.com

Noga Rub


Information about Wloclawek Jewish High School #general

Eli <elirub@...>
 

Hello,
Around 1920-1922 my late father was a student in Wloclawek Jewish/Hebrew
High School.
In a couple of weeks I will visit poland, including Wloclawek, as a part of
roots trip.
I plan to look for the building of that school, or if there is nothing left
of it, at least to see its site.
Any information about this Jewish/Hebrew high school and especially about
its address and location will be greatly appreciated.

Please send answers to the following email address: eranshsh@yahoo.com

Noga Rub


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Information about Wloclawek Jewish High School #general

Eli <elirub@...>
 

Hello,
Around 1920-1922 my late father was a student in Wloclawek Jewish/Hebrew
High School.
In a couple of weeks I will visit poland, including Wloclawek, as a part of
roots trip.
I plan to look for the building of that school, or if there is nothing left
of it, at least to see its site.
Any information about this Jewish/Hebrew high school and especially about
its address and location will be greatly appreciated.

Please send answers to the following email address: eranshsh@yahoo.com

Noga Rub


Re: NYC Accommodation Advise Needed for 2006 IAJGS conference #general

ac <anitac47@...>
 

How about Queens? Lots of hotels (we do have two airports and many business
areas) that are very convenient to subways and express buses as well as the
LIRR which goes into Penn Station (34th St). Please be aware (if you are
not) that areas in Queens are not called "Queens" but names like Forest
Hills, Flushing, Rego Park, Forest Hills, Astoria, Long Island City,
Elmhurst, etc.

Regards,
Anita Citron
Hicksville NY (but for 52 years a resident of Queens).

You can try locations in Yonkers, White Plains, Elmsford and as far north as
Brewster (although Brewster is at least an hour by train to NYC providing
there are no delays). I would recommend that you try anywhere in lower
Westchester County. There are plenty of hotels in White Plains, Tarrytown
and Elmsford which are going to be less expensive than those in NYC. Once in
NYC the fastest way to travel is either on foot or by subway.
Linda Altman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NYC Accommodation Advise Needed for 2006 IAJGS conference #general

ac <anitac47@...>
 

How about Queens? Lots of hotels (we do have two airports and many business
areas) that are very convenient to subways and express buses as well as the
LIRR which goes into Penn Station (34th St). Please be aware (if you are
not) that areas in Queens are not called "Queens" but names like Forest
Hills, Flushing, Rego Park, Forest Hills, Astoria, Long Island City,
Elmhurst, etc.

Regards,
Anita Citron
Hicksville NY (but for 52 years a resident of Queens).

You can try locations in Yonkers, White Plains, Elmsford and as far north as
Brewster (although Brewster is at least an hour by train to NYC providing
there are no delays). I would recommend that you try anywhere in lower
Westchester County. There are plenty of hotels in White Plains, Tarrytown
and Elmsford which are going to be less expensive than those in NYC. Once in
NYC the fastest way to travel is either on foot or by subway.
Linda Altman


Re: NYC accomodations #general

Doris Frank <dofrank@...>
 

I agree wholeheartedly with Hilary. My husband, Don, and I have attended
several conferences through the years and always stayed at the conference
hotel and found it was the best way of meeting, networking, etc. It is well
worth it!
Doris Frank, JGS of Greater Orlando

-----Original Message-----
From: Hilary Henkin [mailto:hilary@proppersource.com]
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:23 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: NYC accomodations

In regards to the original posting,

You might also consider staying at the conference hotel, but sharing
the room with a roommate or two.

There is a lot to be gained by being in the conference hotel.
You can leave things in your room during the day, because it would be
easy to go get them if you need them.
You won't spend time traveling which could be spent networking or
doing research. (I've been in White Plains, and it's about a 40+
minute commute into NYC.)
Just being in the hotel (using the elevator or having breakfast, for
example), you might meet someone to chat with and compare information.
You will feel much more like "a part of the group".

Several years ago, I had a conference in NYC (not IAJGS). The other
rep >from our company suggested we stay in a nearby hotel to save
money. I found myself leaving evening events early to avoid being on
the subway or streets late. When I got to the hotel each morning,
people were already chatting over breakfast and coffee, and I felt
left out. And I felt I had to carry everything I might need during
the day, because I didn't want to take the time to go back to my room.

On the other hand, for the last IAJGS NYC conference, I arrived
several days early to do research. I found a roommate, and we stayed
near Chelsea, a less expensive area, much closer to NARA and the NYC
archives. We moved to the conference hotel when the conference
began, adding a third roommate. The hotel provided a rollaway bed at
no charge. (We also had a small refrigerator put in our room,so we
saved additional money by keeping snacks, drinks, leftovers, etc.)

Yes, it was "close quarters", but we didn't spend all that much time
in the room anyway. . . . We were fine.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: NYC accomodations #general

Doris Frank <dofrank@...>
 

I agree wholeheartedly with Hilary. My husband, Don, and I have attended
several conferences through the years and always stayed at the conference
hotel and found it was the best way of meeting, networking, etc. It is well
worth it!
Doris Frank, JGS of Greater Orlando

-----Original Message-----
From: Hilary Henkin [mailto:hilary@proppersource.com]
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 8:23 AM
To: JewishGen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: NYC accomodations

In regards to the original posting,

You might also consider staying at the conference hotel, but sharing
the room with a roommate or two.

There is a lot to be gained by being in the conference hotel.
You can leave things in your room during the day, because it would be
easy to go get them if you need them.
You won't spend time traveling which could be spent networking or
doing research. (I've been in White Plains, and it's about a 40+
minute commute into NYC.)
Just being in the hotel (using the elevator or having breakfast, for
example), you might meet someone to chat with and compare information.
You will feel much more like "a part of the group".

Several years ago, I had a conference in NYC (not IAJGS). The other
rep >from our company suggested we stay in a nearby hotel to save
money. I found myself leaving evening events early to avoid being on
the subway or streets late. When I got to the hotel each morning,
people were already chatting over breakfast and coffee, and I felt
left out. And I felt I had to carry everything I might need during
the day, because I didn't want to take the time to go back to my room.

On the other hand, for the last IAJGS NYC conference, I arrived
several days early to do research. I found a roommate, and we stayed
near Chelsea, a less expensive area, much closer to NARA and the NYC
archives. We moved to the conference hotel when the conference
began, adding a third roommate. The hotel provided a rollaway bed at
no charge. (We also had a small refrigerator put in our room,so we
saved additional money by keeping snacks, drinks, leftovers, etc.)

Yes, it was "close quarters", but we didn't spend all that much time
in the room anyway. . . . We were fine.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


VM6856 - Translation needed for a 1857 Polish Marriage Certificate #general

Karen Pratt <kvpratt@...>
 

Hello Genners,

I am asking for help in reading/translating the Polish Marriage document I
have posted on Viewmate.

It is for the marriage registration of Jude GRUSZKA & Cryla SZWARTZE.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html #VM6856

Please respond privately. TIA.

Karen Pratt

kvpratt@bellsouth.net

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct link to this image is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6856


Re: Marc CHAGALL's family tree #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Sandra Fishman of Reading, Pa posed a question on
the genealogy of Marc CHAGALL, I was hoping for some
informed & interesting replies. Instead, I note with
sadness that there has been "behind-the-scenes"
activity resulting in one of our valued members, Judy
Segal of NY, writing to say that she will no longer
participate in the discussion. Surely, the point of a
discussion group is to research and discuss and not to
send messages *off-list* which might be *very
hurtful*?

To satisfy my own curiosity and to give support to
Marc CHAGALL and to Judy, who has a possible
interesting family connection, I have researched as
far as possible >from the comfort of my swivel chair,
the genealogical facts carefully hidden within many of
the 2,330,000 vari-lingual websites devoted to one of
our greatest Jewish artists.

Had I the biography [1957] written by CHAGALL's
son-in-law, Franz MEYER and another much more recent
biography by Benjamin Harshav, I might be able to
verify or refute some of these facts:

Marc CHAGALL: July 7, 1887 - 28 March 1985.
Alternative names: Moyshe {Moshka) SHAGAL/SEGAL;
Moishe Zakharovich SHAGALOV, Movcha (Moses) CHAGAL,
Mark Zakharovich SHAGAL.

Associated family names: For variants of CHAGALL see
above; CHERNINA; ROSENFELD; MEYER; HAGGARD; McNEIL;
BRODSKY; GRABER.

Main locations: Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Russia,
France, Germany, USA, Israel, Switzerland.

Marc CHAGALL was born on July 7, 1887 in Vitebsk,
Piashchanik, where his family lived at 29 Pokrovskaia
St. He is variously described as the oldest of a
family of 8, 9 or 10. In one website he is mentioned
as having being the oldest of nine brothers. Rachel, a
young sister is also mentioned as having died from
eating coal. However we know >from his movements in
1914 that he had another sister who married in that
year and he is known to have painted other siblings
too [see "My Sister Anuta {1910}"; "My Sister Manja";
"My Brother David"; "Lisa is playing the Mandoline",
"Lisa near the Window" etc.]

His father Khatskel-Mordechai is variously described
as working in a salt herring factory, a poor
fishmonger's assistant and a small grocery-shop owner.
His mother Felga Ita {Feiga-Ida} CHERNINA took care of
the large household and ran the grocery shop.
Chagall's parents were cousins, hailing >from the
nearby village of Liozno. Almost half of Vitebsk's
inhabitants were Jewish and the CHAGALL family were
devout Hassidic Jews. Marc's grandfather taught and
instilled in him love for religion and the Torah. Many
relatives lived nearby and were always dropping in.

[artistic details of his life omitted]

Chagall returned to Vitebsk in 1914 >from Paris for the
wedding of his sister and married his fiancee Bella
ROSENFELD on 25 July 1915. Bella was born 15th
December, 1895 in Vitebsk to one of the richest
families in the town - her father was a merchant and
the family owned three jewellery shops. Bella was the
youngest in the family. She was a very academic and
musical child and studied history, philosophy,
literature & method acting {Stanislavsky}.

Their only child, Ida was born in 1916. Bella died
tragically young in NY on 2nd Sept 1944. Chagall was
heartbroken. Ida herself, died aged 78 in 1994.

After Bella's death, Chagall had a 7-year relationship
with Virginia {nee HAGGARD} McNeil and a son David was
born in the US in 1946. In 1948, Chagall returned to
France with the family and finally settled in Vence
[nr Nice]. On his death, Chagall's archive of late
works was left to his known heirs, but David McNEIL
secured 10 percent of the inheritance.

Chagall married a Russian, Valentina {Vava} BRODSKY in
1952. He died on 28 March 1985 and is buried in the
Saint Paul Town Cemetery, Saint-Paul de Vence, France.


We also know that Chagall had twin granddaughters -
Bella MEYER and Meret {nee MEYER} GRABER, born in
Switzerland in 1955 to Ida nee CHAGALL and Franz
MEYER, a Swiss Museum director. Bella, holding a
doctorate in medieval history, married in ca 1985 and
has two children. In 2003 she was living in Manhattan.
She champions her grandfather's works. Meret GRABER,
her twin is also very active in this respect.

Sadly if you search Yad vashem, you find over 1,000
tragic holocaust victims >from Vitebsk - a few are
associated with the names SHAGAL & ROSENFELD. We
remember them all here today. I have also found a few
Russian links to the name CHERNINA on the www. I have
yet [for lack of time] to find any links on jri-pl.

I hasten to add that I am not connected to this family
or to the region. Any constructive additions,
*on-list*, to the above would of course be most
welcome and hopefully one or more members may find a
genealogical clue/link.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM6856 - Translation needed for a 1857 Polish Marriage Certificate #general

Karen Pratt <kvpratt@...>
 

Hello Genners,

I am asking for help in reading/translating the Polish Marriage document I
have posted on Viewmate.

It is for the marriage registration of Jude GRUSZKA & Cryla SZWARTZE.

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html #VM6856

Please respond privately. TIA.

Karen Pratt

kvpratt@bellsouth.net

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct link to this image is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6856


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Marc CHAGALL's family tree #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

When Sandra Fishman of Reading, Pa posed a question on
the genealogy of Marc CHAGALL, I was hoping for some
informed & interesting replies. Instead, I note with
sadness that there has been "behind-the-scenes"
activity resulting in one of our valued members, Judy
Segal of NY, writing to say that she will no longer
participate in the discussion. Surely, the point of a
discussion group is to research and discuss and not to
send messages *off-list* which might be *very
hurtful*?

To satisfy my own curiosity and to give support to
Marc CHAGALL and to Judy, who has a possible
interesting family connection, I have researched as
far as possible >from the comfort of my swivel chair,
the genealogical facts carefully hidden within many of
the 2,330,000 vari-lingual websites devoted to one of
our greatest Jewish artists.

Had I the biography [1957] written by CHAGALL's
son-in-law, Franz MEYER and another much more recent
biography by Benjamin Harshav, I might be able to
verify or refute some of these facts:

Marc CHAGALL: July 7, 1887 - 28 March 1985.
Alternative names: Moyshe {Moshka) SHAGAL/SEGAL;
Moishe Zakharovich SHAGALOV, Movcha (Moses) CHAGAL,
Mark Zakharovich SHAGAL.

Associated family names: For variants of CHAGALL see
above; CHERNINA; ROSENFELD; MEYER; HAGGARD; McNEIL;
BRODSKY; GRABER.

Main locations: Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Russia,
France, Germany, USA, Israel, Switzerland.

Marc CHAGALL was born on July 7, 1887 in Vitebsk,
Piashchanik, where his family lived at 29 Pokrovskaia
St. He is variously described as the oldest of a
family of 8, 9 or 10. In one website he is mentioned
as having being the oldest of nine brothers. Rachel, a
young sister is also mentioned as having died from
eating coal. However we know >from his movements in
1914 that he had another sister who married in that
year and he is known to have painted other siblings
too [see "My Sister Anuta {1910}"; "My Sister Manja";
"My Brother David"; "Lisa is playing the Mandoline",
"Lisa near the Window" etc.]

His father Khatskel-Mordechai is variously described
as working in a salt herring factory, a poor
fishmonger's assistant and a small grocery-shop owner.
His mother Felga Ita {Feiga-Ida} CHERNINA took care of
the large household and ran the grocery shop.
Chagall's parents were cousins, hailing >from the
nearby village of Liozno. Almost half of Vitebsk's
inhabitants were Jewish and the CHAGALL family were
devout Hassidic Jews. Marc's grandfather taught and
instilled in him love for religion and the Torah. Many
relatives lived nearby and were always dropping in.

[artistic details of his life omitted]

Chagall returned to Vitebsk in 1914 >from Paris for the
wedding of his sister and married his fiancee Bella
ROSENFELD on 25 July 1915. Bella was born 15th
December, 1895 in Vitebsk to one of the richest
families in the town - her father was a merchant and
the family owned three jewellery shops. Bella was the
youngest in the family. She was a very academic and
musical child and studied history, philosophy,
literature & method acting {Stanislavsky}.

Their only child, Ida was born in 1916. Bella died
tragically young in NY on 2nd Sept 1944. Chagall was
heartbroken. Ida herself, died aged 78 in 1994.

After Bella's death, Chagall had a 7-year relationship
with Virginia {nee HAGGARD} McNeil and a son David was
born in the US in 1946. In 1948, Chagall returned to
France with the family and finally settled in Vence
[nr Nice]. On his death, Chagall's archive of late
works was left to his known heirs, but David McNEIL
secured 10 percent of the inheritance.

Chagall married a Russian, Valentina {Vava} BRODSKY in
1952. He died on 28 March 1985 and is buried in the
Saint Paul Town Cemetery, Saint-Paul de Vence, France.


We also know that Chagall had twin granddaughters -
Bella MEYER and Meret {nee MEYER} GRABER, born in
Switzerland in 1955 to Ida nee CHAGALL and Franz
MEYER, a Swiss Museum director. Bella, holding a
doctorate in medieval history, married in ca 1985 and
has two children. In 2003 she was living in Manhattan.
She champions her grandfather's works. Meret GRABER,
her twin is also very active in this respect.

Sadly if you search Yad vashem, you find over 1,000
tragic holocaust victims >from Vitebsk - a few are
associated with the names SHAGAL & ROSENFELD. We
remember them all here today. I have also found a few
Russian links to the name CHERNINA on the www. I have
yet [for lack of time] to find any links on jri-pl.

I hasten to add that I am not connected to this family
or to the region. Any constructive additions,
*on-list*, to the above would of course be most
welcome and hopefully one or more members may find a
genealogical clue/link.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Lodz Cemetery assistance in obtaining inscriptions #lodz #poland

Stewart Vanning <stewart.vanning@...>
 

I obtained about eight years ago the following references
to grave locations of ancestors in the Lodz Cemetery, >from
a copy of the Polish Register held by the Association of
Former Residents of Lodz, in Tel-Aviv.
WENGROWSKI Jala, died 1895, on right side, field: CZ,
street:6, grave: 215
WENGROWSKI, Fajga, died 1922, on left side, field:CZ,
street:6)7, grave 312A
Can anyone give me assistance regarding obtaining
photographs or copies of the gravestone inscriptions. I
found no reference in the online cemetery list.
Stewart Vanning, Jerusalem, Israel
(Stewart.vanning@mail.corp.idt.net)
Searching WENGROWSKI/WONGROWSKI, Lutomiersk and Lodz,
SZAJBE, Lutomiersk, SZURKE, Pabianice


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Lodz Cemetery assistance in obtaining inscriptions #lodz #poland

Stewart Vanning <stewart.vanning@...>
 

I obtained about eight years ago the following references
to grave locations of ancestors in the Lodz Cemetery, >from
a copy of the Polish Register held by the Association of
Former Residents of Lodz, in Tel-Aviv.
WENGROWSKI Jala, died 1895, on right side, field: CZ,
street:6, grave: 215
WENGROWSKI, Fajga, died 1922, on left side, field:CZ,
street:6)7, grave 312A
Can anyone give me assistance regarding obtaining
photographs or copies of the gravestone inscriptions. I
found no reference in the online cemetery list.
Stewart Vanning, Jerusalem, Israel
(Stewart.vanning@mail.corp.idt.net)
Searching WENGROWSKI/WONGROWSKI, Lutomiersk and Lodz,
SZAJBE, Lutomiersk, SZURKE, Pabianice


VM 6829-30 handwriting help needed #general

Debra Price <dsprice@...>
 

I have posted on ViewMate VM6829 a section of a passenger manifest and have
indicated that it is line 3 that I an interested in. The first and middle
names are clearly "Ersh Leib" but I cannot determine the last name and
would appreciate your opinions. The Americanized version of the name is
WEINER. I have also posted on VM 6830 a larger section of the same
manifest for handwriting comparison purposes.

The ViewMate address is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.
Please respond privately.
Thanks is advance for your help.
Debra Price
Plainview, NY

Also researching PRUCE, PUMPIANSKY & GOLDSTEIN families >from Eastern Europe
to Baltimore, MD

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct links to these images are:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6829
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6830


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM 6829-30 handwriting help needed #general

Debra Price <dsprice@...>
 

I have posted on ViewMate VM6829 a section of a passenger manifest and have
indicated that it is line 3 that I an interested in. The first and middle
names are clearly "Ersh Leib" but I cannot determine the last name and
would appreciate your opinions. The Americanized version of the name is
WEINER. I have also posted on VM 6830 a larger section of the same
manifest for handwriting comparison purposes.

The ViewMate address is http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html.
Please respond privately.
Thanks is advance for your help.
Debra Price
Plainview, NY

Also researching PRUCE, PUMPIANSKY & GOLDSTEIN families >from Eastern Europe
to Baltimore, MD

MODERATOR NOTE: The direct links to these images are:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6829
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6830


Hebrew/Gregorian Perpetual Calendar #general

Dov & Varda Epstein <yknow@...>
 

I just heard about the following website, which is in Hebrew, only.

http://tinyurl.com/akkg4

I have perpetual calendar software installed on my PC, but I thought I'd
pass this on in any event.

Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew/Gregorian Perpetual Calendar #general

Dov & Varda Epstein <yknow@...>
 

I just heard about the following website, which is in Hebrew, only.

http://tinyurl.com/akkg4

I have perpetual calendar software installed on my PC, but I thought I'd
pass this on in any event.

Varda Epstein
Efrat
Israel