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Help Needed with Philadelphia arrivals #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Perhaps someone has a suggestion that will help, as I am in relatively
the same boat as Adam Eisen (see below).

My great-grandfather arrived in Philadelphia in 1899-1892 (latest), from
Vilnius/Lida - all his documents state 'Vilnius'/'Vilna', but this could
also be the gubernia to simplify matters for officials - we believe he came >from
Lida.

I have many of his US documents - application for naturalization,
naturalization, marriage document, his 5 children's birth documents,
census records, etc. I have tried searching Steve Morse's sites,
other port arrivals, commercial sites, Philadelphia Jewish bank
lists, to no avail. The name was different before arriving in the US,
but no spelling of either name or soundex search has helped.

NB: he brought his family, including his in-laws and their entire family
to Montreal in 1909. I have my ggf's Canadian naturalization records, as
well.

With thanks,
Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
merlek@videotron.ca
Researching:
KASTNER & OSTFELD, Radauti, Bukovina;
NATHANSON & MENDELSSOHN, Piatra Neamt, Negulesti, Falticeni, Romania;
DENENBERG/DYNABURSKI & GARBARSKI/GOLDBERG, Sejny, Suwalki gubernia, Poland,
New York, NY;
KUSSNER, Bendery, Bessarabia/Moldova, Philadelphia, PA;
MILLER/SZCZUCZYNSKI, Lida, Vilnius, Lithuania/Belarus, Philadelphia, PA.
~~~

Subject: Help Needed with Philadelphia arrivals for EISENSTEIN
I am having trouble finding the immigration record for my great grandfather
Wolf EISENSTEIN and was hoping someone might have some suggestions.
<snip>
I have found the immigration record for Wolf's wife and children, who came
to Philadelphia in September 1896 on SS Belgenland >from Liverpool. The
family emigrated >from Manchester, where they had lived for ca. 10 years.
Rgds,
Adam Eisen
Stockholm, Sweden
aeisen@sprynet.com >>>


Re: Double forenames, the MaHRSHaL and the name Schneur #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.09.05, I had written:

The MaHRSHaL adds the following. "And I, the small one, know that
my grandfather (z'kayni), R' Menachem Tzion, whose father was called
Meir, and whose father-in-law was called Uri, had a son and the same
argument arose."
On 2005.09.09, Larry Tauber <ltauber@ctswlaw.com> replied

I had always seen that the MaHaRSHaL's (R. Shlomo LURIA) paternal
grandfather was R. Avraham LURIA and his maternal grandfather was
R. Yitzchak KLAUBER. Do you know the exact relationship? Did the
MaHaRSHaL mean by "z'kayni" great-grandfather, making Menachem
Tzion the father-in-law of R. Avraham LURIA or R. Yitzchak KLAUBER
or R. Yitzchak KLAUBER's father? Or perhaps even his wife's
grandfather?
Yes, I was a little puzzled about this myself.

One of Larry Tauber's suggestions is probably right.

Leslie Reich


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help Needed with Philadelphia arrivals #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear Genners,

Perhaps someone has a suggestion that will help, as I am in relatively
the same boat as Adam Eisen (see below).

My great-grandfather arrived in Philadelphia in 1899-1892 (latest), from
Vilnius/Lida - all his documents state 'Vilnius'/'Vilna', but this could
also be the gubernia to simplify matters for officials - we believe he came >from
Lida.

I have many of his US documents - application for naturalization,
naturalization, marriage document, his 5 children's birth documents,
census records, etc. I have tried searching Steve Morse's sites,
other port arrivals, commercial sites, Philadelphia Jewish bank
lists, to no avail. The name was different before arriving in the US,
but no spelling of either name or soundex search has helped.

NB: he brought his family, including his in-laws and their entire family
to Montreal in 1909. I have my ggf's Canadian naturalization records, as
well.

With thanks,
Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
merlek@videotron.ca
Researching:
KASTNER & OSTFELD, Radauti, Bukovina;
NATHANSON & MENDELSSOHN, Piatra Neamt, Negulesti, Falticeni, Romania;
DENENBERG/DYNABURSKI & GARBARSKI/GOLDBERG, Sejny, Suwalki gubernia, Poland,
New York, NY;
KUSSNER, Bendery, Bessarabia/Moldova, Philadelphia, PA;
MILLER/SZCZUCZYNSKI, Lida, Vilnius, Lithuania/Belarus, Philadelphia, PA.
~~~

Subject: Help Needed with Philadelphia arrivals for EISENSTEIN
I am having trouble finding the immigration record for my great grandfather
Wolf EISENSTEIN and was hoping someone might have some suggestions.
<snip>
I have found the immigration record for Wolf's wife and children, who came
to Philadelphia in September 1896 on SS Belgenland >from Liverpool. The
family emigrated >from Manchester, where they had lived for ca. 10 years.
Rgds,
Adam Eisen
Stockholm, Sweden
aeisen@sprynet.com >>>


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Double forenames, the MaHRSHaL and the name Schneur #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.09.05, I had written:

The MaHRSHaL adds the following. "And I, the small one, know that
my grandfather (z'kayni), R' Menachem Tzion, whose father was called
Meir, and whose father-in-law was called Uri, had a son and the same
argument arose."
On 2005.09.09, Larry Tauber <ltauber@ctswlaw.com> replied

I had always seen that the MaHaRSHaL's (R. Shlomo LURIA) paternal
grandfather was R. Avraham LURIA and his maternal grandfather was
R. Yitzchak KLAUBER. Do you know the exact relationship? Did the
MaHaRSHaL mean by "z'kayni" great-grandfather, making Menachem
Tzion the father-in-law of R. Avraham LURIA or R. Yitzchak KLAUBER
or R. Yitzchak KLAUBER's father? Or perhaps even his wife's
grandfather?
Yes, I was a little puzzled about this myself.

One of Larry Tauber's suggestions is probably right.

Leslie Reich


ZIMRING #rabbinic

Howard Zimering <howard@...>
 

My great-grandfather was Rabbi Schulem Schachne ZIMRING (b. ca. 1860
in E. Galicia; d. ca. 1920 somewhere in Galicia, probably near
Strusow but not sure). His father, Jacob Samuel ZIMRING, was
supposedly a rabbi too. Below are their known relatives. If anyone
has information about them or their family, I would appreciate the
assistance.

1. (Rabbi?) Samuel Jacob ZIMRING
__ m. Ruchel ????
____ 2. Rabbi Schulem Schachne ZIMRING b.1860
_______ m. Chaje (b.ca.1860 in Jazlowice) bas Isaac Hersh GROSS
_________ 3. Leizer ZIMRING b.1885 in Moliegnica (1921 in Strusow)
_________ 3. Moses ZIMRING b.1888 in Moliegnica
_________ 3. Deborah ZIMRING b.1890 in Moliegnica
_________ 3. Golda ZIMRING b.1892 in Moliegnica
_________ 3. Hersch Lieb ZIMRING b.1894 in Moliegnica
_________ 3. Dora ZIMRING
_________ 3. Zvi ZIMRING
_________ 3. Samuel ZIMRING b.ca.1905
_________ 3. Sarah "Sally" ZIMRING b.ca.1905
_________ 3. Mendel "Max" ZIMRING b.1907
____ 2. Cipre ZIMRING b.1868
____ 2. Maier ZIMRING b.1862

Howard Zimering


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic ZIMRING #rabbinic

Howard Zimering <howard@...>
 

My great-grandfather was Rabbi Schulem Schachne ZIMRING (b. ca. 1860
in E. Galicia; d. ca. 1920 somewhere in Galicia, probably near
Strusow but not sure). His father, Jacob Samuel ZIMRING, was
supposedly a rabbi too. Below are their known relatives. If anyone
has information about them or their family, I would appreciate the
assistance.

1. (Rabbi?) Samuel Jacob ZIMRING
__ m. Ruchel ????
____ 2. Rabbi Schulem Schachne ZIMRING b.1860
_______ m. Chaje (b.ca.1860 in Jazlowice) bas Isaac Hersh GROSS
_________ 3. Leizer ZIMRING b.1885 in Moliegnica (1921 in Strusow)
_________ 3. Moses ZIMRING b.1888 in Moliegnica
_________ 3. Deborah ZIMRING b.1890 in Moliegnica
_________ 3. Golda ZIMRING b.1892 in Moliegnica
_________ 3. Hersch Lieb ZIMRING b.1894 in Moliegnica
_________ 3. Dora ZIMRING
_________ 3. Zvi ZIMRING
_________ 3. Samuel ZIMRING b.ca.1905
_________ 3. Sarah "Sally" ZIMRING b.ca.1905
_________ 3. Mendel "Max" ZIMRING b.1907
____ 2. Cipre ZIMRING b.1868
____ 2. Maier ZIMRING b.1862

Howard Zimering


Re: Is a marriage to ones wife's sister allowed or prohibited? #unitedkingdom

Gary Luke <gary@...>
 

At 04:30 AM 12/09/2005, you wrote:

Laurence

It was permitted in Sydney at the Great Synagogue in 1904. The first wife
of a brother of my grandfather died in 1898 after eight children, all
except three having died in their first year. The wife's sister moved in to
help with the children and a few years later they were married. The second
wife, the sister, was not previously married but had one illicit child at
the time. Incidently, the husband and the two sisters were second cousins.


As a general case, if the husband had died, and a brother was not married,
isn't it mandated in Jewish law that he should marry his brother's widow?
Yours and my cases are the reverse, but if one is mandated, shouldn't the
other at least be permitted?


Gary

=======================

Around 1820 there was a marriage in the Great Synagogue, London. Both the
bride and groom were born in Amsterdam. This couple had two children
following their marriage. Then the wife died around 1828.

Would the surviving husband be permitted, around 1830, (under Jewish
law/custom and/or English law) to marry the sister of his first wife in an
orthodox synagogue wedding in England? Or was such a marriage prohibited
under English or Jewish Law at that time?


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Re: Is a marriage to ones wife's sister allowed or prohibited? #unitedkingdom

Gary Luke <gary@...>
 

At 04:30 AM 12/09/2005, you wrote:

Laurence

It was permitted in Sydney at the Great Synagogue in 1904. The first wife
of a brother of my grandfather died in 1898 after eight children, all
except three having died in their first year. The wife's sister moved in to
help with the children and a few years later they were married. The second
wife, the sister, was not previously married but had one illicit child at
the time. Incidently, the husband and the two sisters were second cousins.


As a general case, if the husband had died, and a brother was not married,
isn't it mandated in Jewish law that he should marry his brother's widow?
Yours and my cases are the reverse, but if one is mandated, shouldn't the
other at least be permitted?


Gary

=======================

Around 1820 there was a marriage in the Great Synagogue, London. Both the
bride and groom were born in Amsterdam. This couple had two children
following their marriage. Then the wife died around 1828.

Would the surviving husband be permitted, around 1830, (under Jewish
law/custom and/or English law) to marry the sister of his first wife in an
orthodox synagogue wedding in England? Or was such a marriage prohibited
under English or Jewish Law at that time?


Re: NYC accomodations #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

If you look up New York budget accommodation on the Internet you will find
lots of places offering such accommodation. I stayed in such a place 3 years
ago - aimed at students, backpackers etc.

I always obtain a Youth Hostel card when I travel just in case I need to
stay in one. These days you don't generally need to be a member beforehand.

I stayed in the one in Philadelphia which was in a lovely historic house.

Naturally the main thing is to make sure that you and your belongings are
safe.

Nick Landau
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NYC accomodations #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

If you look up New York budget accommodation on the Internet you will find
lots of places offering such accommodation. I stayed in such a place 3 years
ago - aimed at students, backpackers etc.

I always obtain a Youth Hostel card when I travel just in case I need to
stay in one. These days you don't generally need to be a member beforehand.

I stayed in the one in Philadelphia which was in a lovely historic house.

Naturally the main thing is to make sure that you and your belongings are
safe.

Nick Landau
London, UK


Re: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Brooklyn #general

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

Contact Karen Grego KarenG@mountzioncemetery.com. and ask her if they still take
photos of gravestones and how much. They also provide copies of burial cards.
Regards,
Joanie

Joan Parker, Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine,
Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Brooklyn
Discovered great parents and a grand-uncle buried at Mt. Zion in Brooklyn.
Anyone out that way who would be kind enough to visit and take a digital
photo?

Robert A. Dodell
Scottsdale, Arizona
RADodell@worldnet.att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Brooklyn #general

Joan Parker <joanparker@...>
 

Contact Karen Grego KarenG@mountzioncemetery.com. and ask her if they still take
photos of gravestones and how much. They also provide copies of burial cards.
Regards,
Joanie

Joan Parker, Immediate Past President
JGS of Greater Miami, Inc.
joanparker@intergate.com
Searching: GOLDBERG, GOODSTEIN, BERGER-Plock, Poland/Russia and Brooklyn, NY;
PINKUS, WINOGRAD, ROSEN-Brest, Litovsk; Grodno, Russia maybe Odessa, Ukraine,
Bronx and Brooklyn, NY;
GELFAND, YEHUDIS, KATZ-Minsk, Bronx, NY, Miami and Miami Beach, FL.

----- Original Message -----
Subject: Mt. Zion Cemetery, Brooklyn
Discovered great parents and a grand-uncle buried at Mt. Zion in Brooklyn.
Anyone out that way who would be kind enough to visit and take a digital
photo?

Robert A. Dodell
Scottsdale, Arizona
RADodell@worldnet.att.net


Re: NYC accomodations #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

In regards to the original posting,

You might also consider staying at the conference hotel, but sharing
the room with a roommate or two.

There is a lot to be gained by being in the conference hotel.
You can leave things in your room during the day, because it would be
easy to go get them if you need them.
You won't spend time traveling which could be spent networking or
doing research. (I've been in White Plains, and it's about a 40+
minute commute into NYC.)
Just being in the hotel (using the elevator or having breakfast, for
example), you might meet someone to chat with and compare information.
You will feel much more like "a part of the group".

Several years ago, I had a conference in NYC (not IAJGS). The other
rep >from our company suggested we stay in a nearby hotel to save
money. I found myself leaving evening events early to avoid being on
the subway or streets late. When I got to the hotel each morning,
people were already chatting over breakfast and coffee, and I felt
left out. And I felt I had to carry everything I might need during
the day, because I didn't want to take the time to go back to my room.

On the other hand, for the last IAJGS NYC conference, I arrived
several days early to do research. I found a roommate, and we stayed
near Chelsea, a less expensive area, much closer to NARA and the NYC
archives. We moved to the conference hotel when the conference
began, adding a third roommate. The hotel provided a rollaway bed at
no charge. (We also had a small refrigerator put in our room,so we
saved additional money by keeping snacks, drinks, leftovers, etc.)

Yes, it was "close quarters", but we didn't spend all that much time
in the room anyway. . . . We were fine.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NYC accomodations #general

Hilary Henkin <hilary@...>
 

In regards to the original posting,

You might also consider staying at the conference hotel, but sharing
the room with a roommate or two.

There is a lot to be gained by being in the conference hotel.
You can leave things in your room during the day, because it would be
easy to go get them if you need them.
You won't spend time traveling which could be spent networking or
doing research. (I've been in White Plains, and it's about a 40+
minute commute into NYC.)
Just being in the hotel (using the elevator or having breakfast, for
example), you might meet someone to chat with and compare information.
You will feel much more like "a part of the group".

Several years ago, I had a conference in NYC (not IAJGS). The other
rep >from our company suggested we stay in a nearby hotel to save
money. I found myself leaving evening events early to avoid being on
the subway or streets late. When I got to the hotel each morning,
people were already chatting over breakfast and coffee, and I felt
left out. And I felt I had to carry everything I might need during
the day, because I didn't want to take the time to go back to my room.

On the other hand, for the last IAJGS NYC conference, I arrived
several days early to do research. I found a roommate, and we stayed
near Chelsea, a less expensive area, much closer to NARA and the NYC
archives. We moved to the conference hotel when the conference
began, adding a third roommate. The hotel provided a rollaway bed at
no charge. (We also had a small refrigerator put in our room,so we
saved additional money by keeping snacks, drinks, leftovers, etc.)

Yes, it was "close quarters", but we didn't spend all that much time
in the room anyway. . . . We were fine.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


Accommodations in the NYC metro area for 2006 IAJGS meeting #general

HeyJudy123@...
 

I am in complete agreement with the advice offered to choose a hotel in
Westchester County as an alternative to more expensive lodging in Manhattan; it
is exactly the recommendation I would have made myself.

A few things to consider, however: How close is the suburban hotel itself to
the nearest "MetroNorth" station, which is the commuter train into Grand
Central Station? And, if it is not within walking distance, does the hotel
provide a shuttle bus back-and-forth to the depot? If the answer to this
question also is "no," then are cabs readily available--having lived in New York
area suburbs, I suspect not!--and how much would these cost?

Similarly, but perhaps more importantly, conference attendees staying out of
"the city" should remember that, if there's a late evening, they are going to
have to make their ways back to their hotels after hours. Even Grand
Central Station can be rather forbidding at those hours (the Port Authority Bus
Terminal being far worse), and the walk between the Marriott Marquis and the
terminal probably is one not that should be made without a buddy.

Thus, commuting expenses should be added to the hotel charges in calculating
the actual out-of-pocket costs of daily lodging. No two ways about it, New
York is an expensive city!

My conscience regarding these safety concerns compels me to post this
cautionary note.

Judy Segal
New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Accommodations in the NYC metro area for 2006 IAJGS meeting #general

HeyJudy123@...
 

I am in complete agreement with the advice offered to choose a hotel in
Westchester County as an alternative to more expensive lodging in Manhattan; it
is exactly the recommendation I would have made myself.

A few things to consider, however: How close is the suburban hotel itself to
the nearest "MetroNorth" station, which is the commuter train into Grand
Central Station? And, if it is not within walking distance, does the hotel
provide a shuttle bus back-and-forth to the depot? If the answer to this
question also is "no," then are cabs readily available--having lived in New York
area suburbs, I suspect not!--and how much would these cost?

Similarly, but perhaps more importantly, conference attendees staying out of
"the city" should remember that, if there's a late evening, they are going to
have to make their ways back to their hotels after hours. Even Grand
Central Station can be rather forbidding at those hours (the Port Authority Bus
Terminal being far worse), and the walk between the Marriott Marquis and the
terminal probably is one not that should be made without a buddy.

Thus, commuting expenses should be added to the hotel charges in calculating
the actual out-of-pocket costs of daily lodging. No two ways about it, New
York is an expensive city!

My conscience regarding these safety concerns compels me to post this
cautionary note.

Judy Segal
New York City


VM6844 - identify jewish pin from WW2 or earlier #general

Jennifer_Lander@...
 

Hello! Can you please help me out? My grandfather brought this pin back
from Germany after the war - he fought for the allied forces against the
Nazi's. I am very curious as to the origins of this pin. Who would have
worn it, and what did it symbolize? If anyone can help, please reply
directly to me - jennifer_lander@facing.org.

Thank you in advance,
Jennifer J. Lander

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6844


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM6844 - identify jewish pin from WW2 or earlier #general

Jennifer_Lander@...
 

Hello! Can you please help me out? My grandfather brought this pin back
from Germany after the war - he fought for the allied forces against the
Nazi's. I am very curious as to the origins of this pin. Who would have
worn it, and what did it symbolize? If anyone can help, please reply
directly to me - jennifer_lander@facing.org.

Thank you in advance,
Jennifer J. Lander

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6844


VM6845 - identify photo 1946 Miami #general

Jennifer_Lander@...
 

Hello! Can you please help me out?I found this photo in a mix of my
family photos - family "LANDER" and "SHORT". Nobody in my family could
identify this man, can anyone help out? The picture was taken in Miami
Florida, around 1946. If anyone can help, please reply directly to me -
jennifer_lander@facing.org.

Thank you in advance,
Jennifer J. Lander

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6845


Re: Education of immigrants #lithuania

Ann Rabinowitz <annrab@...>
 

Children were quite adaptable in those days as they still are and most
immigrant children learned enough English to get through school and some
went onto college when they found a way to finance their higher education.
Their parents encouraged them and then hoped that the education they
obtained would allow them to share in the American dream which it did.

As an example, my father's mother and her three sisters, born between 1880
and 1895, came to New York >from Lithuania in 1903. The three eldest who
were 18 or older went immediately to classes at night at the YWHA to learn
English and got jobs during the day. The youngest, then 8 years old, was
enrolled in an elementary school in an appropriate grade to her age in New
York City then in Paterson, New Jersey, when the family moved. She learned
English well enough as she went along to graduate high school with good
grades. She married and had children and they then graduated >from college
with honors, her son >from Harvard and her daughter >from Barnard College, and
then they went onto higher degrees. All typical of what our immigrant
ancestors and their children were capable of.

Ann Rabinowitz
annrab@bellsouth.net