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JGS Sacramento September 19th meeting - Memoirs of Baghdad #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

JGS Sacramento meeting

"Memoirs of Baghdad"
September 19, 7 p.m.
Albert Einstein Residence Center
1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA

Daniel Khazzoom’s family can be traced back more than
600 years in Baghdad. He will discuss this rich
heritage at the Jewish Genealogy Society Sacramento's
September meeting. Dr. Khazzoom will share
recollections of the life of the Baghdad Jewish
community, including pictures of Jewish sites and
ceremonial objects dating back hundreds of years.

The Baghdad Jews are not Ashkenazim (Jews from
Northern and Eastern Europe) or Sephardim (descendants
of Spanish and Portuguese Jews) but part of a third
major branch of Judaism, the Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern
Jews).

Dr. Khazzoom, who grew up in Baghdad, earned a Ph.D.
in mathematical economics >from Harvard and has taught
at UC Berkeley, Stanford, San Jose State and several
major universities on the east coast.

Join us for a personal look at Baghdad when Dr. Daniel
Khazzoom joins us at our September 19 meeting.

For more information about the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Sacramento, visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-sacramento/, e-mail the
JGSS at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message at
916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Sacramento September 19th meeting - Memoirs of Baghdad #general

Bob Wascou <robertw252@...>
 

JGS Sacramento meeting

"Memoirs of Baghdad"
September 19, 7 p.m.
Albert Einstein Residence Center
1935 Wright St., Sacramento, CA

Daniel Khazzoom’s family can be traced back more than
600 years in Baghdad. He will discuss this rich
heritage at the Jewish Genealogy Society Sacramento's
September meeting. Dr. Khazzoom will share
recollections of the life of the Baghdad Jewish
community, including pictures of Jewish sites and
ceremonial objects dating back hundreds of years.

The Baghdad Jews are not Ashkenazim (Jews from
Northern and Eastern Europe) or Sephardim (descendants
of Spanish and Portuguese Jews) but part of a third
major branch of Judaism, the Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern
Jews).

Dr. Khazzoom, who grew up in Baghdad, earned a Ph.D.
in mathematical economics >from Harvard and has taught
at UC Berkeley, Stanford, San Jose State and several
major universities on the east coast.

Join us for a personal look at Baghdad when Dr. Daniel
Khazzoom joins us at our September 19 meeting.

For more information about the Jewish Genealogical
Society of Sacramento, visit
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-sacramento/, e-mail the
JGSS at jgs_sacramento@yahoo.com or leave a message at
916-486-0906 ext. 361.

Bob Wascou


Re: Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Near Kosice (Kosice) there is a community named Zadiel (prev. Szadello).

Regards,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

Would anyone know the current name for Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna? I
got<br>&gt;this >from the 1869 census but cannot find such a place on
Mapquest.<


Kosice cemetery #hungary

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

The link to the Kosice cemetery is at:
http://147.232.145.11/history/zidovsky/jevish0.htm

Bobby Furst


Simcha Gyorgy Bischitz-Contact Info-GYONK #hungary

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I am trying to get in touch with Mr. Simcha Gyorgy Bischitz, who has web
page for Gyonk, Hungary, but he is not responding to his email address as
provided on the website.

If anyone has updated contact information for him, please get in touch with
me privately.

Many thanks!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Near Kosice (Kosice) there is a community named Zadiel (prev. Szadello).

Regards,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS

Would anyone know the current name for Szadello, Torna, Abauj-Torna? I
got<br>&gt;this >from the 1869 census but cannot find such a place on
Mapquest.<


Hungary SIG #Hungary Kosice cemetery #hungary

Bobby Furst <bobby1st@...>
 

The link to the Kosice cemetery is at:
http://147.232.145.11/history/zidovsky/jevish0.htm

Bobby Furst


Hungary SIG #Hungary Simcha Gyorgy Bischitz-Contact Info-GYONK #hungary

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

I am trying to get in touch with Mr. Simcha Gyorgy Bischitz, who has web
page for Gyonk, Hungary, but he is not responding to his email address as
provided on the website.

If anyone has updated contact information for him, please get in touch with
me privately.

Many thanks!

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Re: FREUND (Paks, Nemet Ujvar, Ersekujvar) #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Hi,
Contrary to all belief people traveled. My grandmother
waas >from Eger and my grandfather >from Nagy Kanizsa. I
have ancestors >from Paks as well who ended in Tata and
Naszvad in now Slovakia.

Robert

--- MSankar <sankosy5@rogers.com> wrote:

Hello -

Thanks to the wonderfully updated info about the
1848 and 1869 censuses on
the Hungarian database, I was able to locate the
name of the man who may be
my ancestor. I had known that my GGGgrandmother,
Rosalia FREUND, was born
in 1841 in Paks, Tolna, and that her father was a
tradesman named Joachim
FREUND.

Well, this not-too-common name turned up in those
censuses:

In 1848, a 17-year-old Joachim FREUND is listed as
living in Nemet Ujvar,
Vas. I haven't had success in locating information
about this town but I
think it is/was in the Szombathely region.

In 1869, a Joachim FREUND is listed in Ersekujvar,
Nyitra, having been born
in 1818 and now the only individual of his family.
I have since found that
Ersekujvar is now Nove Zamky in the Czech Republic.

Since the daughter was born in 1841, I can assume
that that Joachim on the
1848 census is not her father, and unlikely my
ancestor. The 1869 Joachim
is much more likely the one, as he would have been
23 at the time of
Rosalia's birth. Then again, I'm not too sure how
common it was for a man
to have moved >from Paks (Tolna) in 1841 to
Ersekujvar/Nove Zamky (Nyitra/
Czech) by 1869. I thought that people stayed
relatively close to home in
those days.

I am wondering about any connection of either of
these places to Paks, and
also what sort of "Jewish" information or history
there might be about any
of the three towns. As well, is there any way to
find birth records from
1818 ? I guess I'm also looking for reassurance
that this last Joachim
FREUND could be the father of Rosalia!

Regards,
Michele Sankar
Richmond Hill, Ontario

Moderator: If you've had success using the
All-Hungary Database, please consider making a
contribution to JewishGen to help maintain our
records. Canadian supporters can make
tax-deductible contributions at http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Canada.html


Re: FREUND (Paks, Nemet Ujvar, Ersekujvar) #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Dear Michelle,

Please note that Nove Zamky is in Slovakia and not in the Czech Republic.
The good news is that much of that region has been filmed and is available
via the mormons. The bad news is that pre 1850 records are very difficult
to come by...but not impossible.

I saw some Nove Zamky records a few weeks ago in Slovakia, and there were
many FREUND listings.

Good luck,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: FREUND (Paks, Nemet Ujvar, Ersekujvar) #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Hi,
Contrary to all belief people traveled. My grandmother
waas >from Eger and my grandfather >from Nagy Kanizsa. I
have ancestors >from Paks as well who ended in Tata and
Naszvad in now Slovakia.

Robert

--- MSankar <sankosy5@rogers.com> wrote:

Hello -

Thanks to the wonderfully updated info about the
1848 and 1869 censuses on
the Hungarian database, I was able to locate the
name of the man who may be
my ancestor. I had known that my GGGgrandmother,
Rosalia FREUND, was born
in 1841 in Paks, Tolna, and that her father was a
tradesman named Joachim
FREUND.

Well, this not-too-common name turned up in those
censuses:

In 1848, a 17-year-old Joachim FREUND is listed as
living in Nemet Ujvar,
Vas. I haven't had success in locating information
about this town but I
think it is/was in the Szombathely region.

In 1869, a Joachim FREUND is listed in Ersekujvar,
Nyitra, having been born
in 1818 and now the only individual of his family.
I have since found that
Ersekujvar is now Nove Zamky in the Czech Republic.

Since the daughter was born in 1841, I can assume
that that Joachim on the
1848 census is not her father, and unlikely my
ancestor. The 1869 Joachim
is much more likely the one, as he would have been
23 at the time of
Rosalia's birth. Then again, I'm not too sure how
common it was for a man
to have moved >from Paks (Tolna) in 1841 to
Ersekujvar/Nove Zamky (Nyitra/
Czech) by 1869. I thought that people stayed
relatively close to home in
those days.

I am wondering about any connection of either of
these places to Paks, and
also what sort of "Jewish" information or history
there might be about any
of the three towns. As well, is there any way to
find birth records from
1818 ? I guess I'm also looking for reassurance
that this last Joachim
FREUND could be the father of Rosalia!

Regards,
Michele Sankar
Richmond Hill, Ontario

Moderator: If you've had success using the
All-Hungary Database, please consider making a
contribution to JewishGen to help maintain our
records. Canadian supporters can make
tax-deductible contributions at http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen-erosity/Canada.html


Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: FREUND (Paks, Nemet Ujvar, Ersekujvar) #hungary

Gabriela Svatos
 

Dear Michelle,

Please note that Nove Zamky is in Slovakia and not in the Czech Republic.
The good news is that much of that region has been filmed and is available
via the mormons. The bad news is that pre 1850 records are very difficult
to come by...but not impossible.

I saw some Nove Zamky records a few weeks ago in Slovakia, and there were
many FREUND listings.

Good luck,
Gabi

Gabriela Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario
E-mail: gsvatos@hotmail.com
Business E-mail: bookstore@agawa.com
Business URL: www.abe.com/home/GSVATOS


looking for GROSSER families in New York #general

Todd Brody
 

My ggrandfather was Maier GROSSER who was born in
Sieniawa, Galitzia in the 1880s and came to New York
in 1903. He lived on the Lower East Side.

His Ellis Island manifest says that he was coming to
stay with a brother named Meilech who lived in New
York. This is a reference to Maier's older brother
Hirsh Meilech GROSSER.

Hirsch Meilech Grosser came to New York in 1900. His
manifest says that he was coming to stay with a sister
named Leia.

I am trying to locate the descendants of Hirsch
Meilech Grosser and Leia Grosser.

I have looked in the census reports, in the New York
death index, in the New York marriage index,
naturalization idexes, but I have not found any
records. It is certainly possible that Hirsch Meilech
Americanized his name and Leia Grosser probably got
married and took on a new name.

Anyway, I haven't hit a brick wall yet. I can start
looking through NYC directories. But I am hoping to
strike it lucky and find someone here who happens to
be a descendant of my relatives.

Thank you for your help and for any suggestions.

Todd Brody


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen looking for GROSSER families in New York #general

Todd Brody
 

My ggrandfather was Maier GROSSER who was born in
Sieniawa, Galitzia in the 1880s and came to New York
in 1903. He lived on the Lower East Side.

His Ellis Island manifest says that he was coming to
stay with a brother named Meilech who lived in New
York. This is a reference to Maier's older brother
Hirsh Meilech GROSSER.

Hirsch Meilech Grosser came to New York in 1900. His
manifest says that he was coming to stay with a sister
named Leia.

I am trying to locate the descendants of Hirsch
Meilech Grosser and Leia Grosser.

I have looked in the census reports, in the New York
death index, in the New York marriage index,
naturalization idexes, but I have not found any
records. It is certainly possible that Hirsch Meilech
Americanized his name and Leia Grosser probably got
married and took on a new name.

Anyway, I haven't hit a brick wall yet. I can start
looking through NYC directories. But I am hoping to
strike it lucky and find someone here who happens to
be a descendant of my relatives.

Thank you for your help and for any suggestions.

Todd Brody


Looking for Johnathan Illman #general

stephen field
 

I am looking for Johnathan ILLMAN, son of Samuel
(Richard) and Alice ILLMAN, that lived on Boylston
Street, Brookline, Massachuetts, during the 50's, 60's, and 70's.
His parents were members of the West End House Boys
Club on Allston Street in Allston, Massachusetts.
His father was a member of the Michael Gidovidch
club, his mother was a member of the ladies auxilliary.
If anyone knows where he is, please contact me on my
E mail address, which is:
stemarfie@yahoo.com
Thank you.
Steve Field
stemarfie@yahoo.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Johnathan Illman #general

stephen field
 

I am looking for Johnathan ILLMAN, son of Samuel
(Richard) and Alice ILLMAN, that lived on Boylston
Street, Brookline, Massachuetts, during the 50's, 60's, and 70's.
His parents were members of the West End House Boys
Club on Allston Street in Allston, Massachusetts.
His father was a member of the Michael Gidovidch
club, his mother was a member of the ladies auxilliary.
If anyone knows where he is, please contact me on my
E mail address, which is:
stemarfie@yahoo.com
Thank you.
Steve Field
stemarfie@yahoo.com


Re: Identifying Relationships #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

wrote on 11 sep 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:
Does someone know where I can get a table or chart that will help me
identify the relationship of cousins? For example, how can I tell if
someone is a "first Cousin" or a "First Cousin, once Removed".

MODERATOR NOTE: There is a relationship chart at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/related.txt .
A good chart.

Remember that those terms are severely culture and time dependent:

===

< http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=cousin >
parallel-cousin, cross-cousin, step-cousin, etc

===

< http://home.insightbb.com/~Grand_Uncle_Mark/cousin.html >
"first cousin removed ten times"

===

In Dutch "neef" means cousin and nephew,
as "nicht" stands for female cousin and niece.

===

In ancient times "cousin" just ment "distant relative"
[Latin consobrinus, >from com-sobrinus = second cousin, >from soror sister]

Also in ancient times nephew,niece ment grandson, granddaughter
[Latin nepos grandson, nephew,
OldEnglish nefa grandson, nephew,
Sanskrit napat grandson]

===

< http://www.uwm.edu/People/baugrud/helpfiles/family.html >
Glossary Of Familial Terms

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Identifying Relationships #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

wrote on 11 sep 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:
Does someone know where I can get a table or chart that will help me
identify the relationship of cousins? For example, how can I tell if
someone is a "first Cousin" or a "First Cousin, once Removed".

MODERATOR NOTE: There is a relationship chart at
http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/related.txt .
A good chart.

Remember that those terms are severely culture and time dependent:

===

< http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=cousin >
parallel-cousin, cross-cousin, step-cousin, etc

===

< http://home.insightbb.com/~Grand_Uncle_Mark/cousin.html >
"first cousin removed ten times"

===

In Dutch "neef" means cousin and nephew,
as "nicht" stands for female cousin and niece.

===

In ancient times "cousin" just ment "distant relative"
[Latin consobrinus, >from com-sobrinus = second cousin, >from soror sister]

Also in ancient times nephew,niece ment grandson, granddaughter
[Latin nepos grandson, nephew,
OldEnglish nefa grandson, nephew,
Sanskrit napat grandson]

===

< http://www.uwm.edu/People/baugrud/helpfiles/family.html >
Glossary Of Familial Terms

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)


Springtime visit to Bialystok #poland

Laurence Morrell <emorrell@...>
 

SIG friends

I am planning a Springtime visit to Bialystok and the surrounding
communities, Lodz/Belchatow, and the Druskininkai area of Lithuania. I
am seeking advice on who/how to contact a guide for hire for about one
week, transportation, hotels etc. I'm just in the early stages of
planning this trip for myself and daughters. Any suggestions will be
appreciated.

Reply directly.Emorrell@cfl.rr.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please send any replies about guides, transportation,
or hotels privately.


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Springtime visit to Bialystok #poland

Laurence Morrell <emorrell@...>
 

SIG friends

I am planning a Springtime visit to Bialystok and the surrounding
communities, Lodz/Belchatow, and the Druskininkai area of Lithuania. I
am seeking advice on who/how to contact a guide for hire for about one
week, transportation, hotels etc. I'm just in the early stages of
planning this trip for myself and daughters. Any suggestions will be
appreciated.

Reply directly.Emorrell@cfl.rr.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please send any replies about guides, transportation,
or hotels privately.