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Re: General Cemetery Question #general

phylliskramer1@...
 

Matt asked why the cemeteries don't make their data public. I belive there's a
reason....and it's a financial one. In business there needs to be a financial
reason to fund a project; otherwise you will soon go out of business. The archives
are opening up all over the world...why? altruism? i dont think so. The archives
have discovered a way to make themselves self-sufficient, by charging for access
to the documents.

We who live in a capitalistic society should have no trouble with that. Actually,
as a genealogist I am delighted with that.

Happy Hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, Wilton, Conn & Palm Beach, Fla
PhyllisKramer1@att.net, researching (mostly Galicia):
STECHER, TRACHMAN,>from Zmigrod, Dukla, Krosno
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from Jasienica
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL >from Strzyzow, Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn (also Iasi, Romania)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: General Cemetery Question #general

phylliskramer1@...
 

Matt asked why the cemeteries don't make their data public. I belive there's a
reason....and it's a financial one. In business there needs to be a financial
reason to fund a project; otherwise you will soon go out of business. The archives
are opening up all over the world...why? altruism? i dont think so. The archives
have discovered a way to make themselves self-sufficient, by charging for access
to the documents.

We who live in a capitalistic society should have no trouble with that. Actually,
as a genealogist I am delighted with that.

Happy Hunting!
Phyllis Kramer, Wilton, Conn & Palm Beach, Fla
PhyllisKramer1@att.net, researching (mostly Galicia):
STECHER, TRACHMAN,>from Zmigrod, Dukla, Krosno
KRAMER, BEIM, WISNER >from Jasienica
SCHEINER, KANDEL, SCHIMMEL >from Strzyzow, Dubiecko
LINDNER, EICHEL >from Rohatyn (also Iasi, Romania)


Re: ISBELL #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Susan,

First a general comment about creative spelling.

If a name begins with a vowel, do check under the other initial vowels. If the
name begins with an O, check it with an A, particularly with Russian and Polish
names. With Sephardic names, if it begins with an I, check under E, A, O, U etc.,
although U is less likely, but not impossible.

and do not limit yourself to initial letters. Our known TALALAY variants include
replacing the three "A" with every other vowel in all permutations.

Now, as for ISBELL.

I am wondering if there are any stories about a Spanish/Sephardic origin in this
family?

It sounds like it might be a variant of ASBEL or AZBEL or AZBILI.
This is a Sephardic name, although found in Mogilev and Nezhin, Belarus and
elsewhere. In Mogilev, the AZBEL married into my TALALAY family, and also into a
TALALAY branch living in Novgorod Severskiy, Cherigov, Ukraine. another researcher
says there are numerous AZBEL in Nezhin, Belarus lists.

In a book I have just checked, a young scholar Rabbi Yom Tov ASBILI was in Toledo
Spain in 1305. And the name is recorded even earlier.

There is a website for ASBELL, don't have it handy, but you can Google it. Its
administrator collects information on both Jewish and non-Jewish ASBELLs (all
spellings). He believes the non-J branches are possible descendants of
Converso/Anousim who settled in the UK.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net


Subject: researching: ISBELL
From: Susan Henderson <slalinh@yahoo.com>

I am looking for information on my surname ISBELL to see if tahis name leads to
Jewish ancestors.


Re: VAN KOPPELEN #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

I have found this http://home.wxs.nl/~jamug/surnames/3377.htm which gives the
information about Van Koppelen in Rotterdam. The other names mentioned are
obviously Jewish.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted on
leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


Re: VAN KOPPELEN #general

Leonie <cope3@...>
 

To Frank, Jayne,Ton & Rene, Thank you all so much for sending me all this data. I
have so much to go on now. As I read through Franks pages it brought tears to my
eyes to read where so many of the Van Koppelen Family were killed in the
concentration camps. But I guess I should have expected that.I will get back to
you privately with more concrete information. Kind Regards to you all for your
time & effort. Leonie Copeland.( Van Koppelen )

Hello Everyone, I am researching the VAN KOPPELEN family. Does anyone have
information on this Family. I think they may have resided in Rotterdam, The
Netherlands. They were Dutch/London Jews.who migrated to Australia in the early
1800's...
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ISBELL #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Susan,

First a general comment about creative spelling.

If a name begins with a vowel, do check under the other initial vowels. If the
name begins with an O, check it with an A, particularly with Russian and Polish
names. With Sephardic names, if it begins with an I, check under E, A, O, U etc.,
although U is less likely, but not impossible.

and do not limit yourself to initial letters. Our known TALALAY variants include
replacing the three "A" with every other vowel in all permutations.

Now, as for ISBELL.

I am wondering if there are any stories about a Spanish/Sephardic origin in this
family?

It sounds like it might be a variant of ASBEL or AZBEL or AZBILI.
This is a Sephardic name, although found in Mogilev and Nezhin, Belarus and
elsewhere. In Mogilev, the AZBEL married into my TALALAY family, and also into a
TALALAY branch living in Novgorod Severskiy, Cherigov, Ukraine. another researcher
says there are numerous AZBEL in Nezhin, Belarus lists.

In a book I have just checked, a young scholar Rabbi Yom Tov ASBILI was in Toledo
Spain in 1305. And the name is recorded even earlier.

There is a website for ASBELL, don't have it handy, but you can Google it. Its
administrator collects information on both Jewish and non-Jewish ASBELLs (all
spellings). He believes the non-J branches are possible descendants of
Converso/Anousim who settled in the UK.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
schelly@allrelative.net


Subject: researching: ISBELL
From: Susan Henderson <slalinh@yahoo.com>

I am looking for information on my surname ISBELL to see if tahis name leads to
Jewish ancestors.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: VAN KOPPELEN #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

I have found this http://home.wxs.nl/~jamug/surnames/3377.htm which gives the
information about Van Koppelen in Rotterdam. The other names mentioned are
obviously Jewish.
--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted on
leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: VAN KOPPELEN #general

Leonie <cope3@...>
 

To Frank, Jayne,Ton & Rene, Thank you all so much for sending me all this data. I
have so much to go on now. As I read through Franks pages it brought tears to my
eyes to read where so many of the Van Koppelen Family were killed in the
concentration camps. But I guess I should have expected that.I will get back to
you privately with more concrete information. Kind Regards to you all for your
time & effort. Leonie Copeland.( Van Koppelen )

Hello Everyone, I am researching the VAN KOPPELEN family. Does anyone have
information on this Family. I think they may have resided in Rotterdam, The
Netherlands. They were Dutch/London Jews.who migrated to Australia in the early
1800's...
***
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Bulgaria, the Jews and the Shoah #general

Leon Taranto
 

The Bulgarians were feeding you propaganda. The true story is far more complex
and there are few heroes in the story - certainly not the wartime Bulgarian
Government or its people generally. I'm not the best person to provide the
explanation, but perhaps some of the following will shed some light on the issue.

The fascist Government that ran Bulgarian collaborated with the Nazi plans for the
Shoah. Bulgaria arrested all the Jews in the areas of Thrace (northeast Greece)
and Macedonia that it occupied - and handed them over to the Germans, for shipment
to the death camps where most perished (especially at Treblinka) or in transit
(sinking of barges on the Danube). Bulgaria had agreed to allow the Germans to
deport thousands of Bulgarian Jews to the death camps as well, and the plans were
cancelled at the last minute, virtually on the eve of the first scheduled
deportation, because of the heroic intervention of the Deputy (#2 man) in the
Bulgarian parliament and a member of the ruling fascist party. His name was
Dimitar PESHEV. Others were involved as well, including two leaders of the
Bulgarian Orthodox Church. Eventually the King switched >from accomodating the
ruling fascists in the planned deportations to frustrating the effort by saying he
needed to keep his Jews in Bulgaria for labor work.

Bulgaria Jews were sent to work camps even before the deportation plans were
underway, and thousands of Jews were forced to leave Sofia, the capital. Also,
there was much confiscation of property. Though Bulgarian Jewry survived the war
intact, the entire experience was harrowing and bitter enough to prompt the vast
majority of them to leave for the newborn state of Israel after the war.

You can read a bit more about this on the site re Peshev:
www.peshev.org

There are also several books, including one by Michael Bar-Zohar ("Beyond Hitler's
Grasp: The Heroic Rescue of Bulgaria's Jews") which makes for great reading
(though it has been criticized as putting the Bulgarian people, etc., in a more
favorable light than historically warranted). There are a couple of other books
as well, and a number of articles, though I'm conversant with little of that
literature. But there is no question though that Dimitar PESHEV was a hero,
assembling a strong minority of the parliamentarians >from the ruling fascist party
to press against the deportations, and that two of the Church leaders also tried
to stop the deportation of the almost 50,000 Jews of old Bulgaria. But Bulgaria
was responsible for the deportation (and ultimately the Germans' execution of)
over 10,000 Jews of Macedonia and Thrace (the number might be closer to 20,000 -
somehow I'm thinking between 12,000 and 18,000 but can't recall offhand).

Leon Taranto
Rockville, Maryland

In an 8 Oct 2005 post on Bulgarian Jews, Stan Golembe <ocstan@alum.mit.edu> wrote

"in WWII Bulgaria was on the side of Germany. When Hitler sent orders that the
government should round up all Jews for deportation, the Bulgarian people and
government refused. The head of Bulgarian government said he would lie down across
the tracks himself to prevent a train >from leaving.
Thus the Jews of Bulgaria were saved"

Does anyone know whether this is true or were we just being handed some
propaganda? >>


Bulgarian Jews #general

Sophie and Arthur Bass <abass@...>
 

This is mostly true. My wife is a Bulgarian Jew (emmigrated to Israel where I met
and married her). I learned the outline of the story >from her, but there is a book
"Beyond Hitler's Grasp" by Michael Bar-Zohar (former MK, Professor, Historian)
documenting this amazing event. You can also find more by searching the internet
for "Bulgaria Jews." The Communist Regime produced a film about the rescue which
claimed all the credit, but most accounts give credit to the Bulgarian Church's
Primate (Metropolitan Stefan), Dimiter Peshev (the Parliament Deputy Speaker), the
people of Bulgaria, and Tsar Boris III.

It is an asounding story of a nation that did not bend to Hitler's vision.

Art Bass
abass at nycap.rr.com

Researching BASS, FELLMAN, SPIEGELMAN, GULLER, REISMAN, ISENBERG, ALFANDARI.

Does anyone know whether this is true or were we just being handed some
propaganda?


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bulgaria, the Jews and the Shoah #general

Leon Taranto
 

The Bulgarians were feeding you propaganda. The true story is far more complex
and there are few heroes in the story - certainly not the wartime Bulgarian
Government or its people generally. I'm not the best person to provide the
explanation, but perhaps some of the following will shed some light on the issue.

The fascist Government that ran Bulgarian collaborated with the Nazi plans for the
Shoah. Bulgaria arrested all the Jews in the areas of Thrace (northeast Greece)
and Macedonia that it occupied - and handed them over to the Germans, for shipment
to the death camps where most perished (especially at Treblinka) or in transit
(sinking of barges on the Danube). Bulgaria had agreed to allow the Germans to
deport thousands of Bulgarian Jews to the death camps as well, and the plans were
cancelled at the last minute, virtually on the eve of the first scheduled
deportation, because of the heroic intervention of the Deputy (#2 man) in the
Bulgarian parliament and a member of the ruling fascist party. His name was
Dimitar PESHEV. Others were involved as well, including two leaders of the
Bulgarian Orthodox Church. Eventually the King switched >from accomodating the
ruling fascists in the planned deportations to frustrating the effort by saying he
needed to keep his Jews in Bulgaria for labor work.

Bulgaria Jews were sent to work camps even before the deportation plans were
underway, and thousands of Jews were forced to leave Sofia, the capital. Also,
there was much confiscation of property. Though Bulgarian Jewry survived the war
intact, the entire experience was harrowing and bitter enough to prompt the vast
majority of them to leave for the newborn state of Israel after the war.

You can read a bit more about this on the site re Peshev:
www.peshev.org

There are also several books, including one by Michael Bar-Zohar ("Beyond Hitler's
Grasp: The Heroic Rescue of Bulgaria's Jews") which makes for great reading
(though it has been criticized as putting the Bulgarian people, etc., in a more
favorable light than historically warranted). There are a couple of other books
as well, and a number of articles, though I'm conversant with little of that
literature. But there is no question though that Dimitar PESHEV was a hero,
assembling a strong minority of the parliamentarians >from the ruling fascist party
to press against the deportations, and that two of the Church leaders also tried
to stop the deportation of the almost 50,000 Jews of old Bulgaria. But Bulgaria
was responsible for the deportation (and ultimately the Germans' execution of)
over 10,000 Jews of Macedonia and Thrace (the number might be closer to 20,000 -
somehow I'm thinking between 12,000 and 18,000 but can't recall offhand).

Leon Taranto
Rockville, Maryland

In an 8 Oct 2005 post on Bulgarian Jews, Stan Golembe <ocstan@alum.mit.edu> wrote

"in WWII Bulgaria was on the side of Germany. When Hitler sent orders that the
government should round up all Jews for deportation, the Bulgarian people and
government refused. The head of Bulgarian government said he would lie down across
the tracks himself to prevent a train >from leaving.
Thus the Jews of Bulgaria were saved"

Does anyone know whether this is true or were we just being handed some
propaganda? >>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Bulgarian Jews #general

Sophie and Arthur Bass <abass@...>
 

This is mostly true. My wife is a Bulgarian Jew (emmigrated to Israel where I met
and married her). I learned the outline of the story >from her, but there is a book
"Beyond Hitler's Grasp" by Michael Bar-Zohar (former MK, Professor, Historian)
documenting this amazing event. You can also find more by searching the internet
for "Bulgaria Jews." The Communist Regime produced a film about the rescue which
claimed all the credit, but most accounts give credit to the Bulgarian Church's
Primate (Metropolitan Stefan), Dimiter Peshev (the Parliament Deputy Speaker), the
people of Bulgaria, and Tsar Boris III.

It is an asounding story of a nation that did not bend to Hitler's vision.

Art Bass
abass at nycap.rr.com

Researching BASS, FELLMAN, SPIEGELMAN, GULLER, REISMAN, ISENBERG, ALFANDARI.

Does anyone know whether this is true or were we just being handed some
propaganda?


Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Stan Golembe <ocstan@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

"in WWII Bulgaria was on the side of Germany. When Hitler sent orders that the
government should round up all Jews for deportation, the Bulgarian people and
government refused. The head of Bulgarian government said he would lie down
across the tracks himself to prevent a train >from leaving.
Thus the Jews of Bulgaria were saved"
Does anyone know whether this is true or were we just being handed some
propaganda?
It's true that there were no mass deportations of Jews holding Bulgarian
citizenship, although over 11000 non-Bulgarian Jews were deported >from Bulgaria
and killed.

I haven't read of any incident of somebody threatening to lie down across the
tracks (not that this is evidence that it didn't happen). What did happen was
that Dimitar Peshev, vice-chairman of the Bulgarian Parliament, with the help of
other members of Parliament forced the Bulgarian government to cancel the
deportation order.

See e.g.
<http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005355>
<http://www.theoptimists.com/index.htm> and
<http://peshev.org/story.htm>


Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca


Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:15:17 UTC, ocstan@alum.mit.edu (Stan Golembe) opined:

"in WWII Bulgaria was on the side of Germany. When Hitler sent orders that the
government should round up all Jews for deportation, the Bulgarian people and
government refused. The head of Bulgarian government said he would lie down
across the tracks himself to prevent a train >from leaving.
Thus the Jews of Bulgaria were saved"

Does anyone know whether this is true or were we just being handed some
propaganda?
It's true enough; not idle propaganda. While Denmark and Holland somehow achieved
a not entirely deserved reputation for saving their Jews, the performance of
Bulgaria and Albania was far more praiseworthy, although it didn't produce the
same PR resonance. Both of these countries have reason for pride on this account.
Some Jews >from other countries even found refuge in Albania.

One does not hear >from Bulgarian immigrants to this country the kind of atrocity
stories and resentment of their country of origin that is common among those from
other axis-associated countries; I know no former Albanians.

For that matter, Italian authorities, in many cases, acted to frustrate
German-ordered transports of Jews to the extermination camps. When there was a
damaging earthquake in northern Italy in 1977, the organization of Italian
immigrants sponsored benefit concerts and other events here to collect money in
aid of victims of the disaster; my Italian translator at the time even dragooned
me into buying tickets to such events. One cannot imagine such a reaction >from
immigrants >from e.g. Romania, Hungary, or Yugoslavia, to name only a few
neighboring countries. It is a telling fact that the Italian immigrant
organization is called the Dante Alighieri Society, a salute to Italian culture.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Stan Golembe" <ocstan@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

I can't comment on the specific story, but I did go on a holiday to Bulgaria about
9 years ago organised by the European Council of Jewish Communities (ECJC)and
there were quite a few Bulgarian Jews on my holiday.

A number of them were involved in Shalom which is the main Jewish organisation in
Bulgaria http://www.omda.bg/engl/HISTORY/salom.htm.

See this article >from Reuters
http://www.b-info.com/places/Bulgaria/Jewish/may09.shtml entitled "Jews fondly
remember Bulgaria's wartime protection".

It links to a report of a meeting
http://www.b-info.com/places/Bulgaria/Jewish/symposiumFeb95.shtml#Frances at which
the question of who saved the Jews was discussed. At that time there was some
dispute as to who had helped the Jews the most! There is no mention of your
anecdote.

The majority of Bulgaria's Jews were of Sephardi origin. I have an idea that
despite the fact that the Spanish Government was sympathetic to the Nazis, they
did offer protection to the Sephardi Jews, whose families had originally come from
Spain in 1492.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted on
leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

Stan Golembe <ocstan@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

"in WWII Bulgaria was on the side of Germany. When Hitler sent orders that the
government should round up all Jews for deportation, the Bulgarian people and
government refused. The head of Bulgarian government said he would lie down
across the tracks himself to prevent a train >from leaving.
Thus the Jews of Bulgaria were saved"
Does anyone know whether this is true or were we just being handed some
propaganda?
It's true that there were no mass deportations of Jews holding Bulgarian
citizenship, although over 11000 non-Bulgarian Jews were deported >from Bulgaria
and killed.

I haven't read of any incident of somebody threatening to lie down across the
tracks (not that this is evidence that it didn't happen). What did happen was
that Dimitar Peshev, vice-chairman of the Bulgarian Parliament, with the help of
other members of Parliament forced the Bulgarian government to cancel the
deportation order.

See e.g.
<http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005355>
<http://www.theoptimists.com/index.htm> and
<http://peshev.org/story.htm>


Robert Israel
israel@math.ubc.ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:15:17 UTC, ocstan@alum.mit.edu (Stan Golembe) opined:

"in WWII Bulgaria was on the side of Germany. When Hitler sent orders that the
government should round up all Jews for deportation, the Bulgarian people and
government refused. The head of Bulgarian government said he would lie down
across the tracks himself to prevent a train >from leaving.
Thus the Jews of Bulgaria were saved"

Does anyone know whether this is true or were we just being handed some
propaganda?
It's true enough; not idle propaganda. While Denmark and Holland somehow achieved
a not entirely deserved reputation for saving their Jews, the performance of
Bulgaria and Albania was far more praiseworthy, although it didn't produce the
same PR resonance. Both of these countries have reason for pride on this account.
Some Jews >from other countries even found refuge in Albania.

One does not hear >from Bulgarian immigrants to this country the kind of atrocity
stories and resentment of their country of origin that is common among those from
other axis-associated countries; I know no former Albanians.

For that matter, Italian authorities, in many cases, acted to frustrate
German-ordered transports of Jews to the extermination camps. When there was a
damaging earthquake in northern Italy in 1977, the organization of Italian
immigrants sponsored benefit concerts and other events here to collect money in
aid of victims of the disaster; my Italian translator at the time even dragooned
me into buying tickets to such events. One cannot imagine such a reaction >from
immigrants >from e.g. Romania, Hungary, or Yugoslavia, to name only a few
neighboring countries. It is a telling fact that the Italian immigrant
organization is called the Dante Alighieri Society, a salute to Italian culture.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Bulgarian Jews #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Stan Golembe" <ocstan@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

I can't comment on the specific story, but I did go on a holiday to Bulgaria about
9 years ago organised by the European Council of Jewish Communities (ECJC)and
there were quite a few Bulgarian Jews on my holiday.

A number of them were involved in Shalom which is the main Jewish organisation in
Bulgaria http://www.omda.bg/engl/HISTORY/salom.htm.

See this article >from Reuters
http://www.b-info.com/places/Bulgaria/Jewish/may09.shtml entitled "Jews fondly
remember Bulgaria's wartime protection".

It links to a report of a meeting
http://www.b-info.com/places/Bulgaria/Jewish/symposiumFeb95.shtml#Frances at which
the question of who saved the Jews was discussed. At that time there was some
dispute as to who had helped the Jews the most! There is no mention of your
anecdote.

The majority of Bulgaria's Jews were of Sephardi origin. I have an idea that
despite the fact that the Spanish Government was sympathetic to the Nazis, they
did offer protection to the Sephardi Jews, whose families had originally come from
Spain in 1492.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany)
KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany) LANDAU (only adopted on
leaving Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?) (Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Belarus)


Olgopol,Vinnitskaya Oblast,Podolien,Ukraine #ukraine

Michael Ackermann <AckMic@...>
 

I am interested in any information regarding Olgopol (Olhopil) that
will help me in my research on my family. My great grandfather Antschel
ACKERMANN and his wife Bertha (nee GOLUBTSCHIK) were in Olgopol in 1865 where
their son Fritz ACKERMANN (Fischel ben Antschel) was born, brother to my
grandfather Leon ACKERMANN (Zacharia ben Antschel) who was born in 1884
possibly in Odessa. Leon ACKERMANN married Miriam WAX in Boston MA before
going to South Africa in the early 1900s. Given the difference in the dates
of birth of Fritz and Leon there must have been many siblings in between.

Michael Ackermann
Thornhill, Ontario, Canada
905-886-7293
ackmic@rogers.com

Also researching ACKERMANN/ACKERMAN/AKKERMAN and WAX


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Olgopol,Vinnitskaya Oblast,Podolien,Ukraine #ukraine

Michael Ackermann <AckMic@...>
 

I am interested in any information regarding Olgopol (Olhopil) that
will help me in my research on my family. My great grandfather Antschel
ACKERMANN and his wife Bertha (nee GOLUBTSCHIK) were in Olgopol in 1865 where
their son Fritz ACKERMANN (Fischel ben Antschel) was born, brother to my
grandfather Leon ACKERMANN (Zacharia ben Antschel) who was born in 1884
possibly in Odessa. Leon ACKERMANN married Miriam WAX in Boston MA before
going to South Africa in the early 1900s. Given the difference in the dates
of birth of Fritz and Leon there must have been many siblings in between.

Michael Ackermann
Thornhill, Ontario, Canada
905-886-7293
ackmic@rogers.com

Also researching ACKERMANN/ACKERMAN/AKKERMAN and WAX