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Searching KELNER #general

loufine <loufine@...>
 

Hi Genners

I am seeking two 3rd cousins: Gerald and Stuart KELNER. Their parents Milton
and Ruth WEISEL.

Please reply privately.

Louis A. Fine
Bellingham WA USA
loufine@comcast.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching KELNER #general

loufine <loufine@...>
 

Hi Genners

I am seeking two 3rd cousins: Gerald and Stuart KELNER. Their parents Milton
and Ruth WEISEL.

Please reply privately.

Louis A. Fine
Bellingham WA USA
loufine@comcast.net


Re: How to determine port of entry #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

I saw the answer saying to get the Naturalization
Papers and laughed. Yes, that is great for someone
naturalized well into the 20th century, but it won't
help at all for an early naturalization.

As with many questions asked by relative newcomers,
the specifics are omitted, so the answer can't be
given except as 'it depends'.

In this case the answer was also lacking in specifics,
perhaps because the answerer thought all
naturalization papers gave the same information. They
don't. My gr grandfathers' papers say they intend to
give up their allegience to the 'King of ____', and
they do then give up their allegience. That is all.

It can be very difficult to find the port of origin of
an early immigrant. His/her residence in the US can
be a help, but it isn't always. One gr grandmother
was living in NYC with her 3 little kids and her
brother-in-law in 1870; she came in 1870, and
presumably she would continue to Verona, NY where her
husband lived. Presumably the 4 family members had
recently gotten to NY and entered there, but I haven't
found them on NYC arrivals or 'Russians to NY' or
anything else. I've also checked Philly and Boston;
not there either. Her husband came 2 years earlier,
also presumably to NYC, but I haven't found his
records either.

Good luck.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

"What would be the best approach to determining where a specific person
entered the US? What documents (death certificate, etc.) would be of
the most asistance. "


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to determine port of entry #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

I saw the answer saying to get the Naturalization
Papers and laughed. Yes, that is great for someone
naturalized well into the 20th century, but it won't
help at all for an early naturalization.

As with many questions asked by relative newcomers,
the specifics are omitted, so the answer can't be
given except as 'it depends'.

In this case the answer was also lacking in specifics,
perhaps because the answerer thought all
naturalization papers gave the same information. They
don't. My gr grandfathers' papers say they intend to
give up their allegience to the 'King of ____', and
they do then give up their allegience. That is all.

It can be very difficult to find the port of origin of
an early immigrant. His/her residence in the US can
be a help, but it isn't always. One gr grandmother
was living in NYC with her 3 little kids and her
brother-in-law in 1870; she came in 1870, and
presumably she would continue to Verona, NY where her
husband lived. Presumably the 4 family members had
recently gotten to NY and entered there, but I haven't
found them on NYC arrivals or 'Russians to NY' or
anything else. I've also checked Philly and Boston;
not there either. Her husband came 2 years earlier,
also presumably to NYC, but I haven't found his
records either.

Good luck.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

"What would be the best approach to determining where a specific person
entered the US? What documents (death certificate, etc.) would be of
the most asistance. "


Samuel & Emma Mendelson #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I am putting out another posting. I am seeking any and all information
on my mothers relatives Samuel & Emma MENDELSON. They would have lived
in new york, most likley Brooklyn. I am trying to locate a date of
death for them, but I have no other information to go on other then the
fact that Samuel Mendelson was a brother to my great-grandmother
Anna(MENDELSON)RAKOFF.

Emma was his wife. There was also a brother named Louis. All the other
responses I got were very helpful. My problem is with determining from
the social security death index which one is him. I do not know If he
was older or a younger sibling.

Theres is two possibilities. One died in 1978, the other in 1965. Also
there are two possibilities with Emma, one died in 1969 the other in
1978. How do I find out which is the right ones. So, I am seeking
anyone who may have known of them and may be able to provide me more
clues. My grandmother would have been their niece. her maiden name was
Ruth RAKOFF(Married Name FAIKES).

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Samuel & Emma Mendelson #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I am putting out another posting. I am seeking any and all information
on my mothers relatives Samuel & Emma MENDELSON. They would have lived
in new york, most likley Brooklyn. I am trying to locate a date of
death for them, but I have no other information to go on other then the
fact that Samuel Mendelson was a brother to my great-grandmother
Anna(MENDELSON)RAKOFF.

Emma was his wife. There was also a brother named Louis. All the other
responses I got were very helpful. My problem is with determining from
the social security death index which one is him. I do not know If he
was older or a younger sibling.

Theres is two possibilities. One died in 1978, the other in 1965. Also
there are two possibilities with Emma, one died in 1969 the other in
1978. How do I find out which is the right ones. So, I am seeking
anyone who may have known of them and may be able to provide me more
clues. My grandmother would have been their niece. her maiden name was
Ruth RAKOFF(Married Name FAIKES).

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


Seeking Help In Finding Death Place For Isidore Rakoff-6/11-6/14/1938-NY #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I have a little more information to add. I came across a little blurb
in the 6/24/1938 issue of the New York Times. It was under Wills and
Probate-Letters-of-Administration. Listed was Isidore RAKOFF and next
to his name was the date of june 13th in brackets.
So I am thinking that the cemetery gave me the date of burial not the
actual death date. So I believ he either died on the 12th or 13th of
june 1938.

It still didn't clear up the most crucial part which is where did he
die. That whole section is divided up into all the different boroughs
and it was listed with the Kings/County. I am not sure if that is it,
because it did not give a borough when it came to the section for
letters- of-administartion. What does that Mean by the way.

According to the article he only had $1,000 dollars to his name at the
time of death and was surived by wife Anna RAKOFF and 4 kids-two sons
and two daughters. I have sent to the municipal arhives in NY for a
search of the date and two borroughs brooklyn & Bronx.

They sent me a letter back stating they found nothing. So I don't know
what else to do. I have also sent tehm another request for them to
seach the borroughs of manhattan & Queens. I am at a brick wall here
and don't know how to get his death record without knowing the place of
death. Any help is appreciated.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Help In Finding Death Place For Isidore Rakoff-6/11-6/14/1938-NY #general

sacredsisters3@aol.com <sacredsisters3@...>
 

Hello To All

I have a little more information to add. I came across a little blurb
in the 6/24/1938 issue of the New York Times. It was under Wills and
Probate-Letters-of-Administration. Listed was Isidore RAKOFF and next
to his name was the date of june 13th in brackets.
So I am thinking that the cemetery gave me the date of burial not the
actual death date. So I believ he either died on the 12th or 13th of
june 1938.

It still didn't clear up the most crucial part which is where did he
die. That whole section is divided up into all the different boroughs
and it was listed with the Kings/County. I am not sure if that is it,
because it did not give a borough when it came to the section for
letters- of-administartion. What does that Mean by the way.

According to the article he only had $1,000 dollars to his name at the
time of death and was surived by wife Anna RAKOFF and 4 kids-two sons
and two daughters. I have sent to the municipal arhives in NY for a
search of the date and two borroughs brooklyn & Bronx.

They sent me a letter back stating they found nothing. So I don't know
what else to do. I have also sent tehm another request for them to
seach the borroughs of manhattan & Queens. I am at a brick wall here
and don't know how to get his death record without knowing the place of
death. Any help is appreciated.

Sarah Greenberg
sacredsisters3@aol.com


Google Earth #general

Barbara <bks@...>
 

Yesterday was the anniversary of my father's death. As I live in Los
Angeles and he is buried in Detroit I could not go visit the grave. A
friend told me about

http://earth.google.com/

At the moment it only works on a PC. I went to the site typed in
Detroit, then the cemetery and then zoomed in on the area and could
see layout of the stones. Not clear enough to read but clear enough
to know that that was the plot. The next best thing to being there in
person!

Works on individual homes, schools, anything. A fascinating site.

Barbara Kozloff Schoenburg
West Hills, CA
bks@schoenburg.com

Searching: KOZLOFF(V)-Kiev and Pereyaslav, Ukraine; WEINSTEIN-
Basahid, Hungary (now in Yugoslavia), SCHWARTZ and GRUNFELD-Cseke,
Hungary; BELECHEVSKY-Kiev and Pereyaslav, Ukraine; FREEDMAN-Sukvan or
Marianpol, Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Google Earth #general

Barbara <bks@...>
 

Yesterday was the anniversary of my father's death. As I live in Los
Angeles and he is buried in Detroit I could not go visit the grave. A
friend told me about

http://earth.google.com/

At the moment it only works on a PC. I went to the site typed in
Detroit, then the cemetery and then zoomed in on the area and could
see layout of the stones. Not clear enough to read but clear enough
to know that that was the plot. The next best thing to being there in
person!

Works on individual homes, schools, anything. A fascinating site.

Barbara Kozloff Schoenburg
West Hills, CA
bks@schoenburg.com

Searching: KOZLOFF(V)-Kiev and Pereyaslav, Ukraine; WEINSTEIN-
Basahid, Hungary (now in Yugoslavia), SCHWARTZ and GRUNFELD-Cseke,
Hungary; BELECHEVSKY-Kiev and Pereyaslav, Ukraine; FREEDMAN-Sukvan or
Marianpol, Lithuania


Re: Requesting cemetery photographs #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Sounds good. Maybe I lack charitable spirit.

However, I suggest Mr. Griner post a message to this forum stating that he
is going to Mt. Zion or Baron Hirsch or Riverside and asking if anyone would
like photographs taken. :-) Then see how many requests he gets.

I received numerous requests and had to choose which ones to pursue. It was
not possible to satisfy all the requests in one day, even if I did nothing
else. While I was taking photos for the person who lived 20 minutes away
from the cemetery, I wasn't taking photographs for someone else who lived
1000 miles away and had no ability to get to the cemetery.

If someone can request assistance, they can also state that while living
nearby, they are unable to go to the cemetery because "the person is infirm,
disabled, or doesn't drive".

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zev Griner" <zgriner@yahoo.com>
I understand Mr. Schleman's feeling about doing someone elses work for
them, *but*, knowing where someone lives doesn't tell the whole story.

According to Mr. Schleman, he was already going to the cemetery and
made the offer. He was not going out of his way or making an extra
trip. Also, how does he know how capable or able the person making the
request is? Maybe the person is infirm, disabled, or doesn't drive. Or
maybe its just one of those things that the person hasn't gotten around
to doing.

In short, consider a RAOGK an act of absolute charity, like service to
the dead. >>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Requesting cemetery photographs #general

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Sounds good. Maybe I lack charitable spirit.

However, I suggest Mr. Griner post a message to this forum stating that he
is going to Mt. Zion or Baron Hirsch or Riverside and asking if anyone would
like photographs taken. :-) Then see how many requests he gets.

I received numerous requests and had to choose which ones to pursue. It was
not possible to satisfy all the requests in one day, even if I did nothing
else. While I was taking photos for the person who lived 20 minutes away
from the cemetery, I wasn't taking photographs for someone else who lived
1000 miles away and had no ability to get to the cemetery.

If someone can request assistance, they can also state that while living
nearby, they are unable to go to the cemetery because "the person is infirm,
disabled, or doesn't drive".

----- Original Message -----
From: "Zev Griner" <zgriner@yahoo.com>
I understand Mr. Schleman's feeling about doing someone elses work for
them, *but*, knowing where someone lives doesn't tell the whole story.

According to Mr. Schleman, he was already going to the cemetery and
made the offer. He was not going out of his way or making an extra
trip. Also, how does he know how capable or able the person making the
request is? Maybe the person is infirm, disabled, or doesn't drive. Or
maybe its just one of those things that the person hasn't gotten around
to doing.

In short, consider a RAOGK an act of absolute charity, like service to
the dead. >>>


Looking for Titner's #general

Jill Ullmann <ullmannjt@...>
 

I have tracked my grandfather, Max TITNER, to Hennepin County in
Minnesota. He was born there in 1894. I believe his siblings were
Dorothy, Harry, Lou, and Sam. It appears that Lou and Sam were born in
Wisconsin.

His mother's name was Lottie or Lotta and I believe her maiden name was
Rabinowitz or Roberts. Lottie was born in Russia. I do not know her
husband's name but he was also born in Russia. The census records show
that Lottie was either widowed or divorced. An alternate spelling of
the name was TITTNER.

If anyone in the MN area can help me go a bit further, it would
definitely be appreciated.

Please respond off list.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for Titner's #general

Jill Ullmann <ullmannjt@...>
 

I have tracked my grandfather, Max TITNER, to Hennepin County in
Minnesota. He was born there in 1894. I believe his siblings were
Dorothy, Harry, Lou, and Sam. It appears that Lou and Sam were born in
Wisconsin.

His mother's name was Lottie or Lotta and I believe her maiden name was
Rabinowitz or Roberts. Lottie was born in Russia. I do not know her
husband's name but he was also born in Russia. The census records show
that Lottie was either widowed or divorced. An alternate spelling of
the name was TITTNER.

If anyone in the MN area can help me go a bit further, it would
definitely be appreciated.

Please respond off list.


Re: How to recruit JewishGenners in Russia, Poland or Ukrain #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"mark" < mark306@bezeqint.net > wrote in message
news:001501c5af01$e7a84580$0fc6da51@user5...

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to
contact?They can help us in our search in archives,cemetaries, etc. I would
be very happy if we could discuss it. It can be very helpful
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net
First of all let us not talk about forcing anyone to do anything - although
I know you put it in inverted commas.

There must be genealogical bodies - whether Jewish or otherwise - in these
countries.

Tge Jewish Genealogical Society of the Former Soviet Union in Moscow
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6121 seems to be for the
provision of a professional service which obviously is charged for.

I have also found an organisation called Blitz which is based jointly in
California and St Petersburg which offers a commercial service.

Presumably what is being suggested could be done through Russian Jews in
Israel, either through their linguistic skills, or by recruiting their
relatives in Russia.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


Re: How to recruit JewishGenners in Russia, Poland or Ukrain #general

Jules Levin
 

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to
contact?They can help us in our search in archives,cemetaries, etc. I would
be very happy if we could discuss it. It can be very helpful
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net
I am also on a Slavic academic list that has quite a few correspondents in the
former USSR.
I can send a message requesting to post an announcement inviting interested
people to join this list. Perhaps our list managers can compose the message
with the appropriate links and I will post it.
The Jewish communities of Lithuania and of St Petersburg have web sites
(I'm sure there are others, but these I know of specifically.) You can get
them by googling. They have contact email addresses.
Again, an invitation to join this list might bring in some people.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: This list is open to all. Messages can be sent to
jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to recruit JewishGenners in Russia, Poland or Ukrain #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"mark" < mark306@bezeqint.net > wrote in message
news:001501c5af01$e7a84580$0fc6da51@user5...

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to
contact?They can help us in our search in archives,cemetaries, etc. I would
be very happy if we could discuss it. It can be very helpful
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net
First of all let us not talk about forcing anyone to do anything - although
I know you put it in inverted commas.

There must be genealogical bodies - whether Jewish or otherwise - in these
countries.

Tge Jewish Genealogical Society of the Former Soviet Union in Moscow
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6121 seems to be for the
provision of a professional service which obviously is charged for.

I have also found an organisation called Blitz which is based jointly in
California and St Petersburg which offers a commercial service.

Presumably what is being suggested could be done through Russian Jews in
Israel, either through their linguistic skills, or by recruiting their
relatives in Russia.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to recruit JewishGenners in Russia, Poland or Ukrain #general

Jules Levin
 

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to
contact?They can help us in our search in archives,cemetaries, etc. I would
be very happy if we could discuss it. It can be very helpful
Best wishes
Wajsenberg Mark
Israel
mark306@bezeqint.net
I am also on a Slavic academic list that has quite a few correspondents in the
former USSR.
I can send a message requesting to post an announcement inviting interested
people to join this list. Perhaps our list managers can compose the message
with the appropriate links and I will post it.
The Jewish communities of Lithuania and of St Petersburg have web sites
(I'm sure there are others, but these I know of specifically.) You can get
them by googling. They have contact email addresses.
Again, an invitation to join this list might bring in some people.
Jules Levin
Los Angeles

MODERATOR NOTE: This list is open to all. Messages can be sent to
jewishgen@lyris.jewishgen.org.


Re: How to recruit JewishGenners in Russia, Poland or Ukrain #general

dorota <dorota@...>
 

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to contact?
Well, I am living in Poland near Warsaw.
The main issue, I think, is the language barrier. In Poland, people don't
know English.

However, I have encountered a Polish discussion group abour genealogy (not
only Jewish).
But it is in Polish only.

Dorota Boniecka


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: How to recruit JewishGenners in Russia, Poland or Ukrain #general

dorota <dorota@...>
 

Dear Genners. It's a pitty that there is nobody >from Russia,Poland or Ukrain
in our discussion(according to the emails). There are our roots and there we
must consentrate our searches. The question is how to "force" them to contact?
Well, I am living in Poland near Warsaw.
The main issue, I think, is the language barrier. In Poland, people don't
know English.

However, I have encountered a Polish discussion group abour genealogy (not
only Jewish).
But it is in Polish only.

Dorota Boniecka