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Re: Naming patterns #hungary

George Farkas <gfarkas@...>
 

My great grandfather's sister Mari Links Kohn had two children called
Wilhelm (Wolf) Kohn, both named after the same relative. The older
one died when he was less than three months old. Four years later,
she gave another child the same name.

My step great grandmother (Fani Knopfelmacher) was given the same
Hungarian name as her mother (Fani Links Knopfelmacher) but their
Hebrew/Jewish names were different (Frummet and Fradel Sara).

george

George Farkas
Montreal




At 09/03/2005 01:24 PM, alex p miller sent the following message:

Hello, Friends,

I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

Examples:
-Naming a child the same as a living parent
-Naming a child after a deceased sibling
-Naming two living children the same name

Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com

The name "Fany" #hungary

MSankar <sankosy5@...>
 

Hello friends -

I was hoping to get a little help with a name I encountered in one of my
family branches. In the Salgotarjan (Nograd) marriage records for the early
1890's, I found the names of the parents of my GGgmr: Seidner Mor & Fany
Maria. It is also written this way for an 1869 birth record.

I know that in Hungarian the last name comes first, so the bride's father
would be "Mr. Mor SEIDNER" if he were in North America. But does the "Fany"
refer to the mother's maiden name, as in the former "Miss Maria FANY", or
are these her two given names, such as Mary Jane? Given that this woman is
only referred to in later records as SEIDNER Maria or (SEIDNER Morne - Mrs.
Mor SEIDNER), I have been presuming that FANY may have been her maiden name.

Is this a Hungarian last name? If it were a first name, it may have derived
from a form of Franceska. Either way, I don't think that this is common,
especially spelled with one "n".

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks!

M. Sankar
Ontario

Searching:

SEIDNER - Salgotarjan, Budapest
WINTER - Salgotarjan, Abauj-Szina
HOLLANDER, SPITZ, WIESNER/WIZNER - Abauj-Szina, Kosice/Kassa
GLOCKNER, BECK - Somogy, Budapest
WEINBERGER - Baja
FREUND - Paks

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Naming patterns #hungary

George Farkas <gfarkas@...>
 

My great grandfather's sister Mari Links Kohn had two children called
Wilhelm (Wolf) Kohn, both named after the same relative. The older
one died when he was less than three months old. Four years later,
she gave another child the same name.

My step great grandmother (Fani Knopfelmacher) was given the same
Hungarian name as her mother (Fani Links Knopfelmacher) but their
Hebrew/Jewish names were different (Frummet and Fradel Sara).

george

George Farkas
Montreal




At 09/03/2005 01:24 PM, alex p miller sent the following message:

Hello, Friends,

I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

Examples:
-Naming a child the same as a living parent
-Naming a child after a deceased sibling
-Naming two living children the same name

Best Regards,

Alex Miller, Chester CO. PA
alex.miller@ juno.com

Hungary SIG #Hungary The name "Fany" #hungary

MSankar <sankosy5@...>
 

Hello friends -

I was hoping to get a little help with a name I encountered in one of my
family branches. In the Salgotarjan (Nograd) marriage records for the early
1890's, I found the names of the parents of my GGgmr: Seidner Mor & Fany
Maria. It is also written this way for an 1869 birth record.

I know that in Hungarian the last name comes first, so the bride's father
would be "Mr. Mor SEIDNER" if he were in North America. But does the "Fany"
refer to the mother's maiden name, as in the former "Miss Maria FANY", or
are these her two given names, such as Mary Jane? Given that this woman is
only referred to in later records as SEIDNER Maria or (SEIDNER Morne - Mrs.
Mor SEIDNER), I have been presuming that FANY may have been her maiden name.

Is this a Hungarian last name? If it were a first name, it may have derived
from a form of Franceska. Either way, I don't think that this is common,
especially spelled with one "n".

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks!

M. Sankar
Ontario

Searching:

SEIDNER - Salgotarjan, Budapest
WINTER - Salgotarjan, Abauj-Szina
HOLLANDER, SPITZ, WIESNER/WIZNER - Abauj-Szina, Kosice/Kassa
GLOCKNER, BECK - Somogy, Budapest
WEINBERGER - Baja
FREUND - Paks

Dave's invaluable support #belarus

IRO <iro@...>
 

Dear all,

I want to join those messages in which members of SIG Belarus expressed =
the
appreciation and gratitude to David for his invaluable support which he
rendered to people searching the roots in Belarus. I am sure that due to
Dave many of us, members of SIG Belarus, could open a lot of interesting =
and
helpful information about the ancestors. I would especially like to
emphasize that huge role which Dave has played in business of studying =
and
preservation of the Jewish heritage in Belarus. All these years the =
Jewish
community of Belarus was in close contact to this person. His merits =
before
the Jewish community are very great and are not appreciated yet up to =
the
end. I am sure that this friendship and mutual cooperation on many =
questions
connected to studying and preservation of the Jewish heritage of =
Belarus,
will proceed in the future.
With best regards,
Yuri Dorn

Head of the Board=20
of the Union of Religious Jewish Congregations of the Republic of =
Belarus

Member of the Board=20
of Jewish Religious Revival Charitable Mission=20
of the Union of Religious Jewish Congregations in the Republic of =
Belarus

Coordinator=20
of the Jewish Heritage Research Group in the Republic of Belarus

P.S.I also want to join Dave's opinion concerning researches in =
historical
archive of the city of Minsk. Unfortunately, the created situation and
conditions for researches in it do not inspire me optimism.=20

Belarus SIG #Belarus Dave's invaluable support #belarus

IRO <iro@...>
 

Dear all,

I want to join those messages in which members of SIG Belarus expressed =
the
appreciation and gratitude to David for his invaluable support which he
rendered to people searching the roots in Belarus. I am sure that due to
Dave many of us, members of SIG Belarus, could open a lot of interesting =
and
helpful information about the ancestors. I would especially like to
emphasize that huge role which Dave has played in business of studying =
and
preservation of the Jewish heritage in Belarus. All these years the =
Jewish
community of Belarus was in close contact to this person. His merits =
before
the Jewish community are very great and are not appreciated yet up to =
the
end. I am sure that this friendship and mutual cooperation on many =
questions
connected to studying and preservation of the Jewish heritage of =
Belarus,
will proceed in the future.
With best regards,
Yuri Dorn

Head of the Board=20
of the Union of Religious Jewish Congregations of the Republic of =
Belarus

Member of the Board=20
of Jewish Religious Revival Charitable Mission=20
of the Union of Religious Jewish Congregations in the Republic of =
Belarus

Coordinator=20
of the Jewish Heritage Research Group in the Republic of Belarus

P.S.I also want to join Dave's opinion concerning researches in =
historical
archive of the city of Minsk. Unfortunately, the created situation and
conditions for researches in it do not inspire me optimism.=20

Re: Trip and genealogy research in Budapest #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

In a message dated 03/14/2005 0:17:48 Pacific Standard Time,
hitchans@... writes:
I am visiting Budapest next month and would appreciate help with ideas on
how to carry out research, for instance census, birth/marriage/death records
etc. Please give addresses. Where should I start? Thank you.

Gabriela Hitchans
WEINER - Budapest
======================================
Well, that could be quite a complex question. First of all, do you have
command of the Hungarian language?

Are you searching for Jewish or non-Jewish ancestors?

For instance, you should find a list and address of the functioning Jewish
cemeteries in Budapest at:

http:// www. zsido.h/guide/guide_bud_cem. htm (ignore my spaces)

MAZSIHISZ Assoc of Jewish Communities of Hungary (Dohany utca) at

http:// www.c3.hu /~bpjewmus/nyitvata. htm (ignore my spaces)

The Szecheny Konyvtar, the official archives in Hungary have lots of
material. You could search (have them do it) for deceased family members
announcement of death. They will also provide copies, all you need is names and
approximate date of death.

I would suggest you utilize the Hungarian Google search for searching any
genealogical information, names, places etc.

The Hungarian version of google is: http:// GOOGLE.CO.HU (ignore my
spaces)

When searching in Google, enter: > intext:search words < it will search in
entire text not only name of Website or the first 25 words of pages.

I have found articles mentioning long passed away relatives who changed
their names, and in an interview mention one single time their old original name,
on maybe page 5.

I find Google of tremendous help, and like to use the Country specific
search-pages.

Google has been probably more help in my research then all other sources
combined.

Budapest is a beautiful city, very rich in history, historical sites, and
does take quite some time to explore. Last fall I spent 2 month there, and
although born and raised there, I did run out of time quite quickly.

The long list of synagogues and churches, different districts etc. do
complicate the process.
Vital records in many cases are not in one centralized location. I have also
found, that many of the Jewish death records collected >from cemetery's
original registers and transcribed into computerized lists, is incomplete, and
does not necessarily agree with what I found in the original registers at the
cemeteries. So, don't take anything for granted.

Always ask at any contact for more information. This chain has been helpful
in my research.

Ideally, you would have a helpful relative in Budapest to do some
preliminary discovery work.

I found people everywhere very helpful, even when they did not really know
what they were talking about.

I hope, this will help you,

Good luck and I hope you have plenty of time.

Leslie Eloed
California * USA

Hebrew for "Theresa" #hungary

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Hello all;

Does anyone know what the Jewish or Hebrew name for "Theresa" would be?

I have several relatives (Hungarian) by that name. One relative remembers
being told it was "Chalma", but we have been unable to confirm this as a
"known name". A local Rabbi suggested Tasha or Tasa, but a relative had
called Rabbis in Hungary, who did not know these names.

Your help is appreciated.

Thanks,


Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@...

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Trip and genealogy research in Budapest #hungary

Eloedfamily@...
 

In a message dated 03/14/2005 0:17:48 Pacific Standard Time,
hitchans@... writes:
I am visiting Budapest next month and would appreciate help with ideas on
how to carry out research, for instance census, birth/marriage/death records
etc. Please give addresses. Where should I start? Thank you.

Gabriela Hitchans
WEINER - Budapest
======================================
Well, that could be quite a complex question. First of all, do you have
command of the Hungarian language?

Are you searching for Jewish or non-Jewish ancestors?

For instance, you should find a list and address of the functioning Jewish
cemeteries in Budapest at:

http:// www. zsido.h/guide/guide_bud_cem. htm (ignore my spaces)

MAZSIHISZ Assoc of Jewish Communities of Hungary (Dohany utca) at

http:// www.c3.hu /~bpjewmus/nyitvata. htm (ignore my spaces)

The Szecheny Konyvtar, the official archives in Hungary have lots of
material. You could search (have them do it) for deceased family members
announcement of death. They will also provide copies, all you need is names and
approximate date of death.

I would suggest you utilize the Hungarian Google search for searching any
genealogical information, names, places etc.

The Hungarian version of google is: http:// GOOGLE.CO.HU (ignore my
spaces)

When searching in Google, enter: > intext:search words < it will search in
entire text not only name of Website or the first 25 words of pages.

I have found articles mentioning long passed away relatives who changed
their names, and in an interview mention one single time their old original name,
on maybe page 5.

I find Google of tremendous help, and like to use the Country specific
search-pages.

Google has been probably more help in my research then all other sources
combined.

Budapest is a beautiful city, very rich in history, historical sites, and
does take quite some time to explore. Last fall I spent 2 month there, and
although born and raised there, I did run out of time quite quickly.

The long list of synagogues and churches, different districts etc. do
complicate the process.
Vital records in many cases are not in one centralized location. I have also
found, that many of the Jewish death records collected >from cemetery's
original registers and transcribed into computerized lists, is incomplete, and
does not necessarily agree with what I found in the original registers at the
cemeteries. So, don't take anything for granted.

Always ask at any contact for more information. This chain has been helpful
in my research.

Ideally, you would have a helpful relative in Budapest to do some
preliminary discovery work.

I found people everywhere very helpful, even when they did not really know
what they were talking about.

I hope, this will help you,

Good luck and I hope you have plenty of time.

Leslie Eloed
California * USA

Hungary SIG #Hungary Hebrew for "Theresa" #hungary

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

Hello all;

Does anyone know what the Jewish or Hebrew name for "Theresa" would be?

I have several relatives (Hungarian) by that name. One relative remembers
being told it was "Chalma", but we have been unable to confirm this as a
"known name". A local Rabbi suggested Tasha or Tasa, but a relative had
called Rabbis in Hungary, who did not know these names.

Your help is appreciated.

Thanks,


Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@...

Re: Different and similar first names #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>
 

>I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
>families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

>Examples:
> -Naming a child the same as a living parent

Never met in Jewish Familes
This is a common custom in various Sefardic countries. For
instance, I have Chalabi (i.e., Syrian Jewish) neighbors whose
custom is that the oldest male and female children are named after
the husband's (living) parents, and the second oldest male and
female children are named after the wife's (living) parents.

I once asked them what would happen if they didn't name their
oldest children so, and they were surprised by the very question.
After thinking about it, they said that it would be a tremendous
insult to their own parents.

> -Naming a child after a deceased sibling

Very often met in Jewish families

-Naming two living children the same name
Very unusual among Ashkenazim. However, I did see such a case
once in my own extended (and then very traditional and religious)
family in the late 1800s. Two brothers, one named Tzvi and the
other the equivalent name Hersh. However, the situation there is
not totally clear. It might have been that these two brothers were
step- or half- brothers, as their father was married three times (his
two first wives pre-deceased him). It is likely that these two
brothers had two different mothers (half-brothers, having the same
father but different mothers), and possibly also different fathers
(step-brothers, with different parents, related only by the remarriage
of one step-brother's mother to the other step-brother's father).

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem


Moshe Davis <davis@...> Jerusalem
DAVIS/DAVIDOVICS >from Szeleslonka(Leh),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary; OH;CA.
HAYFER/CHAIMOVICS >from Kovesliget(Drahiv),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary;OH;NJ;CA.
WINARD/WINARSKY and METKOP >from Kiev;Argentina;NY;CA.
BRACKER/BRECHER >from Bucharest/Iasi,Romania;NY;CA;AZ.
ABRAMSON >from Zvil (Novograd-Volinsky),Ukraine;Cuba;MI;MA;NH.
YAHIA/YICHYA >from Istanbul;Cuba;MI;CA.

Re: Trip to Hungary-"Stones" #hungary

Sheldon Pivnik <sipivnik@...>
 

I cannot read Hebrew ,but in advance of my trip, I copied my GGFathers name
in Hebrew and what the year of his birth might look like. As it turned
out, his name was in English., in the Slovakian cemetery of Kezmarok, and
others found it for me-but at least I tried to prepare. In that cemetery,
people have requested that their relatives names be Blackened in for
photographic purposes. I don't think it is such a terrible thing.

Carole Pivnik, Fl.

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Different and similar first names #hungary

Moshe & Esther Davis <davis@...>
 

>I wonder if you have encountered unusual naming patterns in Jewish
>families.(other than naming a child after a deceased ancestor)

>Examples:
> -Naming a child the same as a living parent

Never met in Jewish Familes
This is a common custom in various Sefardic countries. For
instance, I have Chalabi (i.e., Syrian Jewish) neighbors whose
custom is that the oldest male and female children are named after
the husband's (living) parents, and the second oldest male and
female children are named after the wife's (living) parents.

I once asked them what would happen if they didn't name their
oldest children so, and they were surprised by the very question.
After thinking about it, they said that it would be a tremendous
insult to their own parents.

> -Naming a child after a deceased sibling

Very often met in Jewish families

-Naming two living children the same name
Very unusual among Ashkenazim. However, I did see such a case
once in my own extended (and then very traditional and religious)
family in the late 1800s. Two brothers, one named Tzvi and the
other the equivalent name Hersh. However, the situation there is
not totally clear. It might have been that these two brothers were
step- or half- brothers, as their father was married three times (his
two first wives pre-deceased him). It is likely that these two
brothers had two different mothers (half-brothers, having the same
father but different mothers), and possibly also different fathers
(step-brothers, with different parents, related only by the remarriage
of one step-brother's mother to the other step-brother's father).

Moshe Davis
Jerusalem


Moshe Davis <davis@...> Jerusalem
DAVIS/DAVIDOVICS >from Szeleslonka(Leh),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary; OH;CA.
HAYFER/CHAIMOVICS >from Kovesliget(Drahiv),Maramaros,Austro-Hungary;OH;NJ;CA.
WINARD/WINARSKY and METKOP >from Kiev;Argentina;NY;CA.
BRACKER/BRECHER >from Bucharest/Iasi,Romania;NY;CA;AZ.
ABRAMSON >from Zvil (Novograd-Volinsky),Ukraine;Cuba;MI;MA;NH.
YAHIA/YICHYA >from Istanbul;Cuba;MI;CA.

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re:Trip to Hungary-"Stones" #hungary

Sheldon Pivnik <sipivnik@...>
 

I cannot read Hebrew ,but in advance of my trip, I copied my GGFathers name
in Hebrew and what the year of his birth might look like. As it turned
out, his name was in English., in the Slovakian cemetery of Kezmarok, and
others found it for me-but at least I tried to prepare. In that cemetery,
people have requested that their relatives names be Blackened in for
photographic purposes. I don't think it is such a terrible thing.

Carole Pivnik, Fl.

Re: Translation from Hebrew #hungary

jacob michel <jmichael@...>
 

the bride is fruma bat[daughter of] aron
groom is aaron shlomo ben [son of] shabbat on 3 adarI 5673=10 feb 1913
good luck
jacob israel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fern Ward" <FRWard@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Translation >from Hebrew


I have posted a Wedding certificae on Viewmate. (VM5650
Translation-Hebrew)
If anyone can please advise me who it was for and the date of the
marriage,
I would really appreciate it!
Thanks
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5650
Please respond directly to
FRWard@...
Thank you

Fern Ward
Laveen, AZ
ZELMANOVICS, KATZ

Moderator: Please respond off-list.

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Translation from Hebrew #hungary

jacob michel <jmichael@...>
 

the bride is fruma bat[daughter of] aron
groom is aaron shlomo ben [son of] shabbat on 3 adarI 5673=10 feb 1913
good luck
jacob israel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fern Ward" <FRWard@...>
To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:57 AM
Subject: [h-sig] Translation >from Hebrew


I have posted a Wedding certificae on Viewmate. (VM5650
Translation-Hebrew)
If anyone can please advise me who it was for and the date of the
marriage,
I would really appreciate it!
Thanks
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5650
Please respond directly to
FRWard@...
Thank you

Fern Ward
Laveen, AZ
ZELMANOVICS, KATZ

Moderator: Please respond off-list.

Chernigov #ukraine

Terri <terrib@...>
 

Does anyone have the name of a researcher in Chernigov who is reliable and
trustworthy and will obtain vital records?

Thanks,

Tom Erribe

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please answer privately.

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Chernigov #ukraine

Terri <terrib@...>
 

Does anyone have the name of a researcher in Chernigov who is reliable and
trustworthy and will obtain vital records?

Thanks,

Tom Erribe

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please answer privately.

Schmuckler in Argentina #latinamerica

Clare15905@...
 

Does anyone know of a family named SCHMUCKLER in Argentina? I suppose that
the most likely area would be Buenos Aires. They may be related to the KELLAR
family.


Sheldon Clare
Tucson, AZ 85715
clare15905@...

Latin America #LatinAmerica Schmuckler in Argentina #latinamerica

Clare15905@...
 

Does anyone know of a family named SCHMUCKLER in Argentina? I suppose that
the most likely area would be Buenos Aires. They may be related to the KELLAR
family.


Sheldon Clare
Tucson, AZ 85715
clare15905@...