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Lodz/Radom/Opoczno/Tomaszow Maz. connection to Lyon #france

Terri <terrib@...>
 

Hello,
I'm told that I had relatives >from Lodz/Radom/Opoczno/Tomaszow Maz. who went
to Lyon.

I have 2 questions:
1. Can anyone direct me to some material written by French Jews elaborating
on their migration?

2. Where do I go to begin researching Lyon? I've been to the Yad Vashem
site, and found some French relatives, but I don't know how to obtain vital
records, view census records, etc..

Thanks,
Tom Erribe
CA

Re: HALBERSTADT Family or Families #rabbinic

LR <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.03.14, Stephen FALK <sfalk81162@...> enquired:

I am trying to learn more about a HALBERSTADT family that was in
Lissa (Posen) in the early 19th century, and may have had members
in Glogau (Silesia), about 30 km >from Lissa. Among other things,
I am interested in learning whether this family is related to the
rabbinic family of R. Zwi Hirsch ben Naphtali Herz HALBERSTADT
(also known as BIALEH) (1670-1748) [...]
The question: [...] (Is that rabbinic family Cohanim?)
I do not know whether the HALBERSTADT family of Lissa has any
connections to that of The famous R' Zvi Hersch ben Naphtali Herz
who died around 1748. However the latter (an ancestor of mine) was
certainly not a Cohen. Taking only one line of male descent from
him, we get (1) Zvi Hersch, (2) Naftoli, (3) Moshe, (4) Simcha (5)
Aryeh (6) Chaim 1797-1876.

This last No. 6 was the great gaon and tzaddik, R, Chaim HALBERSTAM
of Zanz, whose numerous descendants were and are the leaders of many
chassidic groupings; none being known as Cohanim.

There is a story as to why some HALBERSTADT descendants became known
as HALBERSTAM and others as HALBERTHAL (my predecessors), but I
think it is a myth.

Leslie Reich

French SIG #France Lodz/Radom/Opoczno/Tomaszow Maz. connection to Lyon #france

Terri <terrib@...>
 

Hello,
I'm told that I had relatives >from Lodz/Radom/Opoczno/Tomaszow Maz. who went
to Lyon.

I have 2 questions:
1. Can anyone direct me to some material written by French Jews elaborating
on their migration?

2. Where do I go to begin researching Lyon? I've been to the Yad Vashem
site, and found some French relatives, but I don't know how to obtain vital
records, view census records, etc..

Thanks,
Tom Erribe
CA

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: HALBERSTADT Family or Families #rabbinic

LR <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.03.14, Stephen FALK <sfalk81162@...> enquired:

I am trying to learn more about a HALBERSTADT family that was in
Lissa (Posen) in the early 19th century, and may have had members
in Glogau (Silesia), about 30 km >from Lissa. Among other things,
I am interested in learning whether this family is related to the
rabbinic family of R. Zwi Hirsch ben Naphtali Herz HALBERSTADT
(also known as BIALEH) (1670-1748) [...]
The question: [...] (Is that rabbinic family Cohanim?)
I do not know whether the HALBERSTADT family of Lissa has any
connections to that of The famous R' Zvi Hersch ben Naphtali Herz
who died around 1748. However the latter (an ancestor of mine) was
certainly not a Cohen. Taking only one line of male descent from
him, we get (1) Zvi Hersch, (2) Naftoli, (3) Moshe, (4) Simcha (5)
Aryeh (6) Chaim 1797-1876.

This last No. 6 was the great gaon and tzaddik, R, Chaim HALBERSTAM
of Zanz, whose numerous descendants were and are the leaders of many
chassidic groupings; none being known as Cohanim.

There is a story as to why some HALBERSTADT descendants became known
as HALBERSTAM and others as HALBERTHAL (my predecessors), but I
think it is a myth.

Leslie Reich

Fw: Searching Information of my ggparents #ukraine

COCHET <xcochet@...>
 

Hello,

Who could help-me to find information of my ggparents : OSTROV or OSTROW =
Aaron, born 1868 KHERSON, and KRAHMER or KRAEMER or KRAMER ou KRIMER or =
KREUER Frida or Freida or Faega or Fe=EFga born 04/07/1874 ODESSA and =
died AUSCHWITZ, convoi >from Drancy N=B047 11-02-1943 ?

They go to Constantinople near 1900 and after to Paris 07-1924.

Agn=E8s COCHET - FRANCE

Thank you in advance for your private reply to: xcochet@...

Searching :
OSTROV - OSTROW aaron, Chaia, Tony, Zina, marie, germain - KHERSON - =
ODESSA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Capitalize surnames only.

Setting up a Chernigov distribution #ukraine

Terri <terrib@...>
 

Some of us are interested in setting up a Chernigov SIG distribution list
and would like to know the process for setting one up.

Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Fw: Searching Information of my ggparents #ukraine

COCHET <xcochet@...>
 

Hello,

Who could help-me to find information of my ggparents : OSTROV or OSTROW =
Aaron, born 1868 KHERSON, and KRAHMER or KRAEMER or KRAMER ou KRIMER or =
KREUER Frida or Freida or Faega or Fe=EFga born 04/07/1874 ODESSA and =
died AUSCHWITZ, convoi >from Drancy N=B047 11-02-1943 ?

They go to Constantinople near 1900 and after to Paris 07-1924.

Agn=E8s COCHET - FRANCE

Thank you in advance for your private reply to: xcochet@...

Searching :
OSTROV - OSTROW aaron, Chaia, Tony, Zina, marie, germain - KHERSON - =
ODESSA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Capitalize surnames only.

Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Setting up a Chernigov distribution #ukraine

Terri <terrib@...>
 

Some of us are interested in setting up a Chernigov SIG distribution list
and would like to know the process for setting one up.

Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA

Seeking rabbinical roots #rabbinic

Terri <terrib@...>
 

I am researching the following surnames (HALPERN, ADLER, ALBER,
KAHANE, LIPSHITZ), which are known to have rabbinic connections.

I'd like to view rabbinic genealogies for the following surnames and
am hoping that these genealogies are posted somewhere:

HALPERN and LIPSHITZ >from Chernigov
ADLER and ALBER >from Tyszowce
KAHANE >from Dubno, Radziwil, Brody, Galicia and Austria

Currently, I'm not aware that I have any ancestors who were rabbis
but I'd like to find some.

Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Seeking rabbinical roots #rabbinic

Terri <terrib@...>
 

I am researching the following surnames (HALPERN, ADLER, ALBER,
KAHANE, LIPSHITZ), which are known to have rabbinic connections.

I'd like to view rabbinic genealogies for the following surnames and
am hoping that these genealogies are posted somewhere:

HALPERN and LIPSHITZ >from Chernigov
ADLER and ALBER >from Tyszowce
KAHANE >from Dubno, Radziwil, Brody, Galicia and Austria

Currently, I'm not aware that I have any ancestors who were rabbis
but I'd like to find some.

Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA

Belarus Newsletter #belarus

Fran Bock
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

Please click on:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/landsmen.htm

for a new article by Bill Farran and Logan Lockabey, who discovered their
family connections via photos posted on JewishGen's Viewmate.

Fran Bock, Editor
Belarus SIG Online Newsletter
franbock@...

Belarus SIG #Belarus Belarus Newsletter #belarus

Fran Bock
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

Please click on:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/newsletter/landsmen.htm

for a new article by Bill Farran and Logan Lockabey, who discovered their
family connections via photos posted on JewishGen's Viewmate.

Fran Bock, Editor
Belarus SIG Online Newsletter
franbock@...

Searching for information on S. WASSERMANN in Cape Town #southafrica

Chantal Auerbach <chantal.auerbach@...>
 

I have just recently found an old address book which belonged to my
father and it has the name of S. WASSERMANN with the following address :
3 Mill Court, Schoonder Street, Gardens Cape Town.
The address book would date >from about 1945 - 1955.

This person must be a relative as my family name was originally
Wassermann - my grandfather David Wassermann was born in Radymno
(Galicia) Poland, moved to Hamburg and in 1938 managed to get out of
Germany with his three sons =96 Alfred, Max (my father) and Kurt
Wassermann.

Does any of this ring a bell with someone? Would really appreciate any
help in trying to track down S. WASSERMANN (unlikely he or she is still
alive) or their descendents.

Thank you

Chantal Auerbach London UK
reply to Chantal.auerbach@...

Research Assistance #southafrica

Coll, Eytan <Eytan.Coll@...>
 

Am trying to locate information on my grandfather's entry into
South Africa in 1912.
Is there a database which might contain immigration records
for this period.

Best Regards,
Eytan Coll
New York City
United States


Eytan Coll
eytan.coll@...



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South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Searching for information on S. WASSERMANN in Cape Town #southafrica

Chantal Auerbach <chantal.auerbach@...>
 

I have just recently found an old address book which belonged to my
father and it has the name of S. WASSERMANN with the following address :
3 Mill Court, Schoonder Street, Gardens Cape Town.
The address book would date >from about 1945 - 1955.

This person must be a relative as my family name was originally
Wassermann - my grandfather David Wassermann was born in Radymno
(Galicia) Poland, moved to Hamburg and in 1938 managed to get out of
Germany with his three sons =96 Alfred, Max (my father) and Kurt
Wassermann.

Does any of this ring a bell with someone? Would really appreciate any
help in trying to track down S. WASSERMANN (unlikely he or she is still
alive) or their descendents.

Thank you

Chantal Auerbach London UK
reply to Chantal.auerbach@...

South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Research Assistance #southafrica

Coll, Eytan <Eytan.Coll@...>
 

Am trying to locate information on my grandfather's entry into
South Africa in 1912.
Is there a database which might contain immigration records
for this period.

Best Regards,
Eytan Coll
New York City
United States


Eytan Coll
eytan.coll@...



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Samuel Chanoch/Bloom/Levine--Gold Fields #southafrica

shop@...
 

Hello Everyone,

I joined this group because I have finally gathered enough fragments >from close
and faraway family members to take a stab at identifying a close relation who
went to South Africa to try his luck in the gold fields. I have the following
data on this gentleman, who was my great-grandfather's brother. I must stress
that this data may not apply to a single individual, but I have no way at this
point of determining that for sure. The dates I have are as follows:

Shmuel HANOKH: Born about 1840, Lithuania
Shmuel HANOKH: Census of 1858, Saukenai, Lithuania
Shmuel HANOKH: Tax of 1877, Saukenai, Lithuania
Sam'l CHANNOCH: Immigration in 1887, Castle Garden, New York
Shmuel HANOKH: Tax of 1903, Saukenai, Lithuania
Shmuel HANOKH: Tax of 1907, Saukenai, Lithuania
Samuel HANOKH, CHANNOCH, BLOOM, or (most probably) LEVINE: After 1907?, Gold
Fields of South Africa

The obvious problem is that I don't know what name he was using when he got to
South Africa. His original name was some variation on CHANOCH (meaning "Enoch"),
his brother early on changed it to BLOOM, and Samuel, according to two branches
of my family, changed it to LEVINE, but I don't know when or where. Samuel's
father was Leyb and his grandfather the extensive land-owning Fishel HANOKH.
Samuel's sons were Fishel and Eliash, and his siblings were Iosel (Joseph
BLOOM), Bashe, and Rochele. The sisters may also have emigrated to South Africa,
there being a tradition of *someone's* sisters going there, but this is even
more tenuous a proposition. The tree is here:
http://www.lordbalto.com/Franklin/636.htm .

Anyone recognize this branch of their family?

Steve Franklin
http://www.lordbalto.com/
Baltimore, US

GOLDMANN, De SARIGNY, Burghersdorp, Middelburg and Breslau #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

I am continuing my quest for information about Louis
GOLDMANN who retired to Frankfurt in Germany after
having been involved in the running of the
Burghersdorp branch of the MOSENTHAL business, as well
as being a business associate of my relative Henry
BERGMANN (1831-66) in Aliwal North.

Louis came to South Africa >from somewhere in Germany.
I would like to know exactly where he came from!

I have had another look at Richard GOLDMANN's
autobiographical work, "A South African remembers",
and have gleaned the following information (Richard
was born 1861 in Burghersdorp):

1. His father, whose name is not given in the book,
left "eastern Germany" in 1848 and,at the suggestion
of relatives and their connections, went out to South
Africa to engage in mercantile business in
Burghersdorp.

2. His family left Burghersdorp in 1876, and went to
settle in Breslau in for a few years before moving to
Freiburg in the Black Forest.

3. Richard had a sister Alice and brothers Edwin,
Charles Sydney and Alfred. Edwin was a famous doctor
in Freiburg, and helped to discover the blood/brain
barrier.

4. Richard married the widow of the Count de SARIGNY
in about 1907. He had met the Count and his wife many
years earlier, in 1887, in Middelburg in the Cape (he
had relatives who lived in Middelburg - probably the
FRIEDLANDER family >from Beuthen/Breslau.)

I am still puzzled as to the name of Richard's father.
(I suspect that Richard was not a child of Louis as it
is known that Louis had a daughter Johanna who is not
mentioned in Richard's book.)

I would be very pleased to hear >from anyone who has
any information about the various GOLDMANN s of
Burghersdorp. Any information about the De Sarigny
family would also help satisfy my curiosity!

Adam Yamey, London, UK<adamandlopa@...>

South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Samuel Chanoch/Bloom/Levine--Gold Fields #southafrica

shop@...
 

Hello Everyone,

I joined this group because I have finally gathered enough fragments >from close
and faraway family members to take a stab at identifying a close relation who
went to South Africa to try his luck in the gold fields. I have the following
data on this gentleman, who was my great-grandfather's brother. I must stress
that this data may not apply to a single individual, but I have no way at this
point of determining that for sure. The dates I have are as follows:

Shmuel HANOKH: Born about 1840, Lithuania
Shmuel HANOKH: Census of 1858, Saukenai, Lithuania
Shmuel HANOKH: Tax of 1877, Saukenai, Lithuania
Sam'l CHANNOCH: Immigration in 1887, Castle Garden, New York
Shmuel HANOKH: Tax of 1903, Saukenai, Lithuania
Shmuel HANOKH: Tax of 1907, Saukenai, Lithuania
Samuel HANOKH, CHANNOCH, BLOOM, or (most probably) LEVINE: After 1907?, Gold
Fields of South Africa

The obvious problem is that I don't know what name he was using when he got to
South Africa. His original name was some variation on CHANOCH (meaning "Enoch"),
his brother early on changed it to BLOOM, and Samuel, according to two branches
of my family, changed it to LEVINE, but I don't know when or where. Samuel's
father was Leyb and his grandfather the extensive land-owning Fishel HANOKH.
Samuel's sons were Fishel and Eliash, and his siblings were Iosel (Joseph
BLOOM), Bashe, and Rochele. The sisters may also have emigrated to South Africa,
there being a tradition of *someone's* sisters going there, but this is even
more tenuous a proposition. The tree is here:
http://www.lordbalto.com/Franklin/636.htm .

Anyone recognize this branch of their family?

Steve Franklin
http://www.lordbalto.com/
Baltimore, US

South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica GOLDMANN, De SARIGNY, Burghersdorp, Middelburg and Breslau #southafrica

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

I am continuing my quest for information about Louis
GOLDMANN who retired to Frankfurt in Germany after
having been involved in the running of the
Burghersdorp branch of the MOSENTHAL business, as well
as being a business associate of my relative Henry
BERGMANN (1831-66) in Aliwal North.

Louis came to South Africa >from somewhere in Germany.
I would like to know exactly where he came from!

I have had another look at Richard GOLDMANN's
autobiographical work, "A South African remembers",
and have gleaned the following information (Richard
was born 1861 in Burghersdorp):

1. His father, whose name is not given in the book,
left "eastern Germany" in 1848 and,at the suggestion
of relatives and their connections, went out to South
Africa to engage in mercantile business in
Burghersdorp.

2. His family left Burghersdorp in 1876, and went to
settle in Breslau in for a few years before moving to
Freiburg in the Black Forest.

3. Richard had a sister Alice and brothers Edwin,
Charles Sydney and Alfred. Edwin was a famous doctor
in Freiburg, and helped to discover the blood/brain
barrier.

4. Richard married the widow of the Count de SARIGNY
in about 1907. He had met the Count and his wife many
years earlier, in 1887, in Middelburg in the Cape (he
had relatives who lived in Middelburg - probably the
FRIEDLANDER family >from Beuthen/Breslau.)

I am still puzzled as to the name of Richard's father.
(I suspect that Richard was not a child of Louis as it
is known that Louis had a daughter Johanna who is not
mentioned in Richard's book.)

I would be very pleased to hear >from anyone who has
any information about the various GOLDMANN s of
Burghersdorp. Any information about the De Sarigny
family would also help satisfy my curiosity!

Adam Yamey, London, UK<adamandlopa@...>