Subject: VERO-WEISZBERGER/Nyirbator and Debrecen
From: vkahn@kmort.com
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:46:52 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

My father's first cousin, Piroska VERO was married to Zoltan VERO b.
Nyirbator 1905. I recently discovered that his parents were Abraham
WEISZBERGER and Szofia FELDMESSER >from Nyirbator. Zoltan and his
brother Dr. Laszlo WEISZBERGER both died while serving in the Hungarian
Labor Battalion. They had a sister Iren b. 1903 who survived and was
in Debrecen in 1945 after the war. She was married to Jozef LESSER.

Piri and her 4-year old daughter Marika survived Strasshof. After the
war they left Debrecen for Budapest and by December 1949 Piri had
remarried to a man named Bandi(Andras), possibly not Jewish, who had a
17-year old son.

My great-aunt Piri was born in Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hungary, now Sfatu
Georgiu, Romania, to Roszi MOSKOVITS, my paternal grandmother's oldest
sister, and Deszo MARKUS. The Debrecen records incorrectly list Piri's
mother's maiden name as MARKOVITS rather than MOSKOVITS.

I'm trying to find out what happened to Piri, Bandi, and their
children. I recall that my father Elemer NEUMANN, who was born in
Hungary, was
contacted by some cousins in 1956 and asked for help with immigration.
I believe that the family could not enter the US and may have ended up
in Argentina or Chile. Unfortunately, my dad died in 1969 and I don't
have any other relatives,names,or records.

Please get in touch if this blended family sounds familiar. Piri
(Piroska) would now be more than 90 and Bandi would be at least that
old.
Piri's daughter Marika (Maria) would be about 63. This family was
living in Budapest in 1949 and may have emigrated to South America
after 1956.

I'll be in Budapest next month and would appreciate any suggestions
about how to locate this family.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Subject: VERO-WEISZBERGER/Nyirbator and Debrecen
From: vkahn@kmort.com
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 23:46:52 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

My father's first cousin, Piroska VERO was married to Zoltan VERO b.
Nyirbator 1905. I recently discovered that his parents were Abraham
WEISZBERGER and Szofia FELDMESSER >from Nyirbator. Zoltan and his
brother Dr. Laszlo WEISZBERGER both died while serving in the Hungarian
Labor Battalion. They had a sister Iren b. 1903 who survived and was
in Debrecen in 1945 after the war. She was married to Jozef LESSER.

Piri and her 4-year old daughter Marika survived Strasshof. After the
war they left Debrecen for Budapest and by December 1949 Piri had
remarried to a man named Bandi(Andras), possibly not Jewish, who had a
17-year old son.

My great-aunt Piri was born in Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hungary, now Sfatu
Georgiu, Romania, to Roszi MOSKOVITS, my paternal grandmother's oldest
sister, and Deszo MARKUS. The Debrecen records incorrectly list Piri's
mother's maiden name as MARKOVITS rather than MOSKOVITS.

I'm trying to find out what happened to Piri, Bandi, and their
children. I recall that my father Elemer NEUMANN, who was born in
Hungary, was
contacted by some cousins in 1956 and asked for help with immigration.
I believe that the family could not enter the US and may have ended up
in Argentina or Chile. Unfortunately, my dad died in 1969 and I don't
have any other relatives,names,or records.

Please get in touch if this blended family sounds familiar. Piri
(Piroska) would now be more than 90 and Bandi would be at least that
old.
Piri's daughter Marika (Maria) would be about 63. This family was
living in Budapest in 1949 and may have emigrated to South America
after 1956.

I'll be in Budapest next month and would appreciate any suggestions
about how to locate this family.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Vicki Vigil <aev@juno.com>
An: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Betreff: [h-sig] BERNSTEINNE and matav addresses
Datum: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:59:30 -0400

Hi all,

The Matav on-line directory lists addresses in this way:
Blum, Anna Budapest IV, kerulet 1046 Nadasdy Kalman utca
So should a letter to her be addressed like this:
Anna Blum
Kalman utca
1046 Nadasdy
Kerulet, Budapest IV
Hungary

Or differently?

Also looking for anyone with information on Dr. Regina BERNSTEINNE who
lived at
Sziv-u 69, VI Budapest in 1927. She was an "educator"


Vicki Blum Vigil
Cleveland Ohio USA

--- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
Von: Vicki Vigil <aev@juno.com>
An: "H-SIG" <h-sig@lyris.jewishgen.org>
Betreff: [h-sig] BERNSTEINNE and matav addresses
Datum: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:59:30 -0400

Hi all,

The Matav on-line directory lists addresses in this way:
Blum, Anna Budapest IV, kerulet 1046 Nadasdy Kalman utca
So should a letter to her be addressed like this:
Anna Blum
Kalman utca
1046 Nadasdy
Kerulet, Budapest IV
Hungary

Or differently?

Also looking for anyone with information on Dr. Regina BERNSTEINNE who
lived at
Sziv-u 69, VI Budapest in 1927. She was an "educator"


Vicki Blum Vigil
Cleveland Ohio USA

The Krotman site is highly problematic, for a number of reasons, both
practical and ethical. Here are a couple (not an exhaustive list) of
issues:

1) Data that I put together was forwarded to the site-owner by someone to
whom I had sent a copy of the tree that I put together. The information was
then put on the web, with a number of errors. There are thus known errors
in the information on the web -- information found there cannot be trusted.
When I pointed this out to the site-owner, he offered to correct the errors,
but since the information was sent without my permission, and added to the
site without my permission, I have no intention of sending a list of
corrections. Suffice it to say that if the data isn't being checked as it's
put in (and if the site owner isn't keeping track of which information comes

from what source - as he claimed when I asked who had submitted the data),

there's a real problem.

2) People's personal information is being added to the site without their
permission. I asked to have my name deleted >from the website a couple of
months ago. It has not been done. I know that I am not the only one in
this situation. People living in the US and in Israel, where anti-semitism
is generally not something that we worry about daily, need to be aware that
Jews living in other countries may not be so fortunate, and may not want a
Google search of their name to turn up an extensive Jewish family tree.
Putting this sort of information on the web without the express permission
of at least those people who are living (and, by the way, the Krotman site
has some incorrect information about who is alive and who is not) may cause
unncessary problems for those involved.


Gary Blumsohn
West Orange, NJ
USA

The Krotman site is highly problematic, for a number of reasons, both
practical and ethical. Here are a couple (not an exhaustive list) of
issues:

1) Data that I put together was forwarded to the site-owner by someone to
whom I had sent a copy of the tree that I put together. The information was
then put on the web, with a number of errors. There are thus known errors
in the information on the web -- information found there cannot be trusted.
When I pointed this out to the site-owner, he offered to correct the errors,
but since the information was sent without my permission, and added to the
site without my permission, I have no intention of sending a list of
corrections. Suffice it to say that if the data isn't being checked as it's
put in (and if the site owner isn't keeping track of which information comes

from what source - as he claimed when I asked who had submitted the data),

there's a real problem.

2) People's personal information is being added to the site without their
permission. I asked to have my name deleted >from the website a couple of
months ago. It has not been done. I know that I am not the only one in
this situation. People living in the US and in Israel, where anti-semitism
is generally not something that we worry about daily, need to be aware that
Jews living in other countries may not be so fortunate, and may not want a
Google search of their name to turn up an extensive Jewish family tree.
Putting this sort of information on the web without the express permission
of at least those people who are living (and, by the way, the Krotman site
has some incorrect information about who is alive and who is not) may cause
unncessary problems for those involved.


Gary Blumsohn
West Orange, NJ
USA

"peter bakos" <pgbakos@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello >from Budapest.

I have been in touch with a person >from a Serbian Genealogy group (I am new
to it aned do not know much about what goes on in Serbia, genealogy wise)
who informed me that the Jewish community in Serbia keep their own
documents. Is this true? Does any one know about Jewish Registers for
Zrenjanin (Nagy Beckerek), or Yasi Tomic (Modos)? Please let me know before
I go there for no apparent reason.

Peter Bakos

"peter bakos" <pgbakos@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hello >from Budapest.

I have been in touch with a person >from a Serbian Genealogy group (I am new
to it aned do not know much about what goes on in Serbia, genealogy wise)
who informed me that the Jewish community in Serbia keep their own
documents. Is this true? Does any one know about Jewish Registers for
Zrenjanin (Nagy Beckerek), or Yasi Tomic (Modos)? Please let me know before
I go there for no apparent reason.

Peter Bakos