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'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Shirley Collier <shirley.collier@...>
 

I was at Kew yesterday and I looked up the Register of Deaths at Sea for
Ena. I went through practically the whole of 1912 and I discovered that
most of the deaths at sea recorded in that Register were >from ports other
than Southampton.

I queried this with the Research desk. I said I thought it very unlikely,
considering the numbers of deaths recorded in the Register, that the ships
leaving Southampton that year would have had what appeared to be almost 100%
safe passage for all its passengers.

They were unable to come up with any reason for this so I have now sent an
official enquiry to the National Archives and hope they might have an answer
as to whether there are any other Registers of Deaths at Sea available for
ships
leaving Southampton bound for New York, and where they might be, especially
for the ship in question, the Majestic >from the White Star Line, which ended
its sailing career in
dock at Morecombe in 1914.

Does anyone have any other ideas? Are deaths at sea shown on ships
manifests other than the Ellis Island ones which appear to be for arrivals
of passengers? If so, how does access them?

Shirley Collier
East of London UK

Researching:
BERMAN/BEARMAN - Piesk,Lublin/Warsaw/Philadelphia/London
HARRIS - Sieradz/Hull/London
ROZAINSKY/WAPNASH - Rozan/Czestochowa/New York/London
TILLES/TRINKENREICH - Tarnow/Krakow/Newcastle/London


Re: 'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Naomi Fellerman <nfellerman@...>
 

Dear Ena

The National Archives at Kew do hold "Death at Sea" records and you can
information about them at:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/bmd/step9b.htm

Most information is searchable in person, but if you cannot get there
they will do the research for you for a fee, details are available on:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/research/paid_research.htm

Regards

Naomi Fellerman
Edgware, UK


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom 'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Shirley Collier <shirley.collier@...>
 

I was at Kew yesterday and I looked up the Register of Deaths at Sea for
Ena. I went through practically the whole of 1912 and I discovered that
most of the deaths at sea recorded in that Register were >from ports other
than Southampton.

I queried this with the Research desk. I said I thought it very unlikely,
considering the numbers of deaths recorded in the Register, that the ships
leaving Southampton that year would have had what appeared to be almost 100%
safe passage for all its passengers.

They were unable to come up with any reason for this so I have now sent an
official enquiry to the National Archives and hope they might have an answer
as to whether there are any other Registers of Deaths at Sea available for
ships
leaving Southampton bound for New York, and where they might be, especially
for the ship in question, the Majestic >from the White Star Line, which ended
its sailing career in
dock at Morecombe in 1914.

Does anyone have any other ideas? Are deaths at sea shown on ships
manifests other than the Ellis Island ones which appear to be for arrivals
of passengers? If so, how does access them?

Shirley Collier
East of London UK

Researching:
BERMAN/BEARMAN - Piesk,Lublin/Warsaw/Philadelphia/London
HARRIS - Sieradz/Hull/London
ROZAINSKY/WAPNASH - Rozan/Czestochowa/New York/London
TILLES/TRINKENREICH - Tarnow/Krakow/Newcastle/London


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom RE: 'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Naomi Fellerman <nfellerman@...>
 

Dear Ena

The National Archives at Kew do hold "Death at Sea" records and you can
information about them at:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/bmd/step9b.htm

Most information is searchable in person, but if you cannot get there
they will do the research for you for a fee, details are available on:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/research/paid_research.htm

Regards

Naomi Fellerman
Edgware, UK


HERZL from Semlin - 'holder of privilege' #austria-czech

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

This may not quite belong to the Austria-Czech discussion group, but I hope
the powers that be will let it go through. As many people know, the family
of Theodor Herzl came >from Semlin (Zemun). This town is now a suburb of
Belgrade but in the past it was on the southern border of the empire. During
the 18th and part of the 19th century it was in the so-called military
frontier and I heard that Jews were not allowed to reside there. However I
have now received a stack of genealogical documents on the Herzl family and
these confirm that Jews were living in Semlin as "Holder of a privilege"
(Privilegiumstraeger). These privileges were issued by the empress Maria
Theresia in 1753 and one of the Holders of Privilege was Awigdor
Herzl-Hacohen, Theodor Herzls Gr-gr-gr-grandfather. Does anyone know what
this kind of privilege would contain?

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech HERZL from Semlin - 'holder of privilege' #austria-czech

Florence & Henry Wellisch <kelwel@...>
 

This may not quite belong to the Austria-Czech discussion group, but I hope
the powers that be will let it go through. As many people know, the family
of Theodor Herzl came >from Semlin (Zemun). This town is now a suburb of
Belgrade but in the past it was on the southern border of the empire. During
the 18th and part of the 19th century it was in the so-called military
frontier and I heard that Jews were not allowed to reside there. However I
have now received a stack of genealogical documents on the Herzl family and
these confirm that Jews were living in Semlin as "Holder of a privilege"
(Privilegiumstraeger). These privileges were issued by the empress Maria
Theresia in 1753 and one of the Holders of Privilege was Awigdor
Herzl-Hacohen, Theodor Herzls Gr-gr-gr-grandfather. Does anyone know what
this kind of privilege would contain?

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


GUTTMAN and other families from Tabor #austria-czech

Linda Berkowitz <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I was away when the thread on Tabor began but I hold a keen interest
because I can trace family back to the 1830s in Tabor, though the
family is not one of the five familiantin.

My families >from Tabor include the FANTLs and FREUNDs. My
ggrandmother, Emma FANTL GOLDSTEIN was born in Tabor in 1861. She
claimed that her father Joachim FANTL was also born in Tabor (1834).
Most of Joachim and his wife, Wilhemina's, children immigrated to the
US and settled in Chicago, the only exception being their daughter
Mathylda FANTL FREUND, who remained in Tabor. Mathylda's son Rudolph
intermarried and was, to my understanding, untouched during the
Shoah, though most of his relatives perished. Rudolph FREUND's
descendants still live in Tabor and own the same property that the
family has had for over 100 years.

As for the GUTTMAN family, I have a rather extensive genealogy and
family tree beginning with Moritz FUERTH (b. 1855; d. 1914) and Clara
GUTTMAN FUERTHOVA (b. 1867; d. 1843 in Theresienstadt). Though much
of the family perished in the Shoah, several branches survive,
including: descendents of Clara's daughter Anna FUERTH HUTTER and
her son Arnost FUERTH.

If anyone has any additional information on these families, or
possible leads, I would be delighted to hear >from them.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL

Also researching:
GOLDSTEIN, STEINDLER, WEISS, WEISL, TAUSSIG, LOWY, FANTL, KIND, FREUND,
HARTMAN, all >from Bohemia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech GUTTMAN and other families from Tabor #austria-czech

Linda Berkowitz <e-berkowitz@...>
 

I was away when the thread on Tabor began but I hold a keen interest
because I can trace family back to the 1830s in Tabor, though the
family is not one of the five familiantin.

My families >from Tabor include the FANTLs and FREUNDs. My
ggrandmother, Emma FANTL GOLDSTEIN was born in Tabor in 1861. She
claimed that her father Joachim FANTL was also born in Tabor (1834).
Most of Joachim and his wife, Wilhemina's, children immigrated to the
US and settled in Chicago, the only exception being their daughter
Mathylda FANTL FREUND, who remained in Tabor. Mathylda's son Rudolph
intermarried and was, to my understanding, untouched during the
Shoah, though most of his relatives perished. Rudolph FREUND's
descendants still live in Tabor and own the same property that the
family has had for over 100 years.

As for the GUTTMAN family, I have a rather extensive genealogy and
family tree beginning with Moritz FUERTH (b. 1855; d. 1914) and Clara
GUTTMAN FUERTHOVA (b. 1867; d. 1843 in Theresienstadt). Though much
of the family perished in the Shoah, several branches survive,
including: descendents of Clara's daughter Anna FUERTH HUTTER and
her son Arnost FUERTH.

If anyone has any additional information on these families, or
possible leads, I would be delighted to hear >from them.

Linda Berkowitz
Northbrook, IL

Also researching:
GOLDSTEIN, STEINDLER, WEISS, WEISL, TAUSSIG, LOWY, FANTL, KIND, FREUND,
HARTMAN, all >from Bohemia


Re: Sanatorium Furth, Vienna - Birth and Death links #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yesterday I posed a question in my posting re Sanatorium Furth and its owner,
Dr Lothar FURTH. This is the Sanatorium in Vienna where both Sigger Frank
Eisinger and I were born.

I asked "has anyone a link to the FURTH family?

Well, I have found the answer myself this morning ...and it is a tragic one.
The title of my posting was sadly very apt and telepathic:

......., just three weeks after the Nazis had marched into Vienna, FURTH
and his wife killed themselves. They injected themselves with poison inside
Schmidgasse 14.

“We found out that our great grandfather owned the match monopoly in the
Hapsburg empire. Our grandfather owned a brewery." see:

http://www.insidetennis.com/1104_andrews.html
Please read this URL as it may have more links for us.
It is tragic, but fascinating.

....... Chris and Rich [who were not aware of their Jewish Viennese ancestry]
are not the only living FURTH heirs. ... {their mother Elizabeth nee REDLICH
was born at the sanatorium and committed suicide in 1971}.. they discovered
that, unknown to the Andrewses, another branch of the family lived on the
East Coast. One relative, Eva PERL, Lothar FURTH'S 96-year-old first cousin,
was also born at Schmidgasse 14. Another was Alfred STRASSER who recalled how,
as an 11-year-old .....

Frank Eisinger told me [I have his permission to quote] that the gynaecologist
who assisted at his birth was Dr Jacques NEUER, born 14.07.1884.
He emigrated to New York and had an elegant practice here but, tragically
he also committed suicide.

Frank also knows that the Sanatorium was built in 1868/69.

So, the end of Sanatorium Furth was very tragic.. and we remember the devoted
staff here today.

Celia Male [U.K., but currently in NY]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech re: Sanatorium Furth, Vienna - Birth and Death links #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yesterday I posed a question in my posting re Sanatorium Furth and its owner,
Dr Lothar FURTH. This is the Sanatorium in Vienna where both Sigger Frank
Eisinger and I were born.

I asked "has anyone a link to the FURTH family?

Well, I have found the answer myself this morning ...and it is a tragic one.
The title of my posting was sadly very apt and telepathic:

......., just three weeks after the Nazis had marched into Vienna, FURTH
and his wife killed themselves. They injected themselves with poison inside
Schmidgasse 14.

“We found out that our great grandfather owned the match monopoly in the
Hapsburg empire. Our grandfather owned a brewery." see:

http://www.insidetennis.com/1104_andrews.html
Please read this URL as it may have more links for us.
It is tragic, but fascinating.

....... Chris and Rich [who were not aware of their Jewish Viennese ancestry]
are not the only living FURTH heirs. ... {their mother Elizabeth nee REDLICH
was born at the sanatorium and committed suicide in 1971}.. they discovered
that, unknown to the Andrewses, another branch of the family lived on the
East Coast. One relative, Eva PERL, Lothar FURTH'S 96-year-old first cousin,
was also born at Schmidgasse 14. Another was Alfred STRASSER who recalled how,
as an 11-year-old .....

Frank Eisinger told me [I have his permission to quote] that the gynaecologist
who assisted at his birth was Dr Jacques NEUER, born 14.07.1884.
He emigrated to New York and had an elegant practice here but, tragically
he also committed suicide.

Frank also knows that the Sanatorium was built in 1868/69.

So, the end of Sanatorium Furth was very tragic.. and we remember the devoted
staff here today.

Celia Male [U.K., but currently in NY]


Re: 'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Ruth Bloom <ruthpbloom@...>
 

It might be worth looking for her in the GRO marine deaths register, which you can access online via www.1837online.co.uk (choose 'overseas'). If she's there you can then order her death certificate.
Otherwise I would expect a death at sea to be recorded on the passenger manifest (often a separate section at the end of the list of passengers). There is also, as you say, a list of deaths at sea held at Kew. If you fail to find your relative in the GRO index, contact me privately as I go to Kew fairly frequently and may be able to do a quick look-up for you.
Ruth Bloom
Isleworth
Researching : BLOOM (London, Bristol, Poland)
NAVLOSKY/KALISKY (Poland)


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom re: 'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Ruth Bloom <ruthpbloom@...>
 

It might be worth looking for her in the GRO marine deaths register, which you can access online via www.1837online.co.uk (choose 'overseas'). If she's there you can then order her death certificate.
Otherwise I would expect a death at sea to be recorded on the passenger manifest (often a separate section at the end of the list of passengers). There is also, as you say, a list of deaths at sea held at Kew. If you fail to find your relative in the GRO index, contact me privately as I go to Kew fairly frequently and may be able to do a quick look-up for you.
Ruth Bloom
Isleworth
Researching : BLOOM (London, Bristol, Poland)
NAVLOSKY/KALISKY (Poland)


need help #latvia

Sabrina Rabinovich
 

MODERATOR: This list is not the right one for the
below message. However, as I can see that Sabrina
posted it to both Lithuania and Belarus mailing
lists, I found that I should let it pass - mainly
because of the overlap between the countries due
to the many changes of borders over time.
----------------------------------------------------

Dear list

I'm new on the Jewishgen and need some advice. I was
looking a list of researchers but did not find any.
Maybe some of you knows a good one who works in
Vilna. I have many family names to search in the
region of Smorgany (Lithuania) and Druya (Belarus).
Can any of you confirm the availability of Druya
documents in Lithuanian archives?
Many thanks in advance.

Sabrina Rabinovich
sabrina_rab@yahoo.com
France

Researching: Milmann, Levy, Rabinovich (Smorgany),
Jofe, Grinin (Druya)


Latvia SIG #Latvia need help #latvia

Sabrina Rabinovich
 

MODERATOR: This list is not the right one for the
below message. However, as I can see that Sabrina
posted it to both Lithuania and Belarus mailing
lists, I found that I should let it pass - mainly
because of the overlap between the countries due
to the many changes of borders over time.
----------------------------------------------------

Dear list

I'm new on the Jewishgen and need some advice. I was
looking a list of researchers but did not find any.
Maybe some of you knows a good one who works in
Vilna. I have many family names to search in the
region of Smorgany (Lithuania) and Druya (Belarus).
Can any of you confirm the availability of Druya
documents in Lithuanian archives?
Many thanks in advance.

Sabrina Rabinovich
sabrina_rab@yahoo.com
France

Researching: Milmann, Levy, Rabinovich (Smorgany),
Jofe, Grinin (Druya)


Castle Garden immigration records and history #germany

Christopher Massur <cmassur@...>
 

Last week someone brought this web-site to my attention:

http://www.castlegarden.org/

it contains the early arrivals to New York >from the 1830's until the Ellis
Island data base takes over. Good luck

Christopher Massur, Curaçao

MOD NOTE: Castle Garden was used as an entry point for immigrants for some time
prior to the opening of the Ellis Island facility. The structure had been a
fort defending the New York colony. The cannons sheltered within its massive
walls gave that part of Manhattan its name, "The Battery". (Also Battery Park
and Battery Park City. The fort was originally on an island south of the colony
but was later connected to Manhattan's mainland by landfill.

In addition to being an immigration station and a fortress, it housed
an aquarium and, I believe, now serves as a museum. According to Robert Caro's
biography of New York's "Master Builder", Robert Moses, Moses attempted to have
the structure destroyed as revenge against historic preservation advocates who
blocked a proposed Moses building plan.

When you come to NYC for the 2006 IAJGS Conference,
stop by Castle Garden in Battery Park on your way to
the nearyby Museum of the Jewish Heritage, Ellis Island,
and the Statue of Liberty. John Paul Lowens - GerSIG MOD1


German SIG #Germany Castle Garden immigration records and history #germany

Christopher Massur <cmassur@...>
 

Last week someone brought this web-site to my attention:

http://www.castlegarden.org/

it contains the early arrivals to New York >from the 1830's until the Ellis
Island data base takes over. Good luck

Christopher Massur, Curaçao

MOD NOTE: Castle Garden was used as an entry point for immigrants for some time
prior to the opening of the Ellis Island facility. The structure had been a
fort defending the New York colony. The cannons sheltered within its massive
walls gave that part of Manhattan its name, "The Battery". (Also Battery Park
and Battery Park City. The fort was originally on an island south of the colony
but was later connected to Manhattan's mainland by landfill.

In addition to being an immigration station and a fortress, it housed
an aquarium and, I believe, now serves as a museum. According to Robert Caro's
biography of New York's "Master Builder", Robert Moses, Moses attempted to have
the structure destroyed as revenge against historic preservation advocates who
blocked a proposed Moses building plan.

When you come to NYC for the 2006 IAJGS Conference,
stop by Castle Garden in Battery Park on your way to
the nearyby Museum of the Jewish Heritage, Ellis Island,
and the Statue of Liberty. John Paul Lowens - GerSIG MOD1


Need help with SAIDE arrival #general

Lisa Dashman <ldashman@...>
 

Hello, Genners,
For over a year I have been trying to find the immigration record for
Eliezar/Lazar/Louis & Zlata Leah/Lena SAIDE. This couple, probably with a
very young daughter, left Russia and arrived in the US in the late 19th
century, settling in New York City. The 1910 Census states they arrived in
1890, so I've searched 1880-1900 in both Castle Garden and Ellis Island
databases. (I have not been able to locate them in the 1900 Census.) But it
is also possible they arrived through Canada as other members of that
family branch did later.

To complicate matters, besides SAIDE I've seen records with the name
spelled SUIDE, SEIDE, and ZIDE.

Can anyone suggest where else to search?

Best wishes,
Lisa Dashman
New York


hatter #general

sulamitb <sulamitb@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Many members of my family >from the town Tarnow were hatters. Part of them
moved to the States and worked as hatters in their new home.
Does anybody know if this was a typical Jewish profession? How was the
situation in other Galician cities? What is the "hatter decease"?
I will appreciate your answers.

Sulamith Beith Yannai
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need help with SAIDE arrival #general

Lisa Dashman <ldashman@...>
 

Hello, Genners,
For over a year I have been trying to find the immigration record for
Eliezar/Lazar/Louis & Zlata Leah/Lena SAIDE. This couple, probably with a
very young daughter, left Russia and arrived in the US in the late 19th
century, settling in New York City. The 1910 Census states they arrived in
1890, so I've searched 1880-1900 in both Castle Garden and Ellis Island
databases. (I have not been able to locate them in the 1900 Census.) But it
is also possible they arrived through Canada as other members of that
family branch did later.

To complicate matters, besides SAIDE I've seen records with the name
spelled SUIDE, SEIDE, and ZIDE.

Can anyone suggest where else to search?

Best wishes,
Lisa Dashman
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen hatter #general

sulamitb <sulamitb@...>
 

Dear Genners,
Many members of my family >from the town Tarnow were hatters. Part of them
moved to the States and worked as hatters in their new home.
Does anybody know if this was a typical Jewish profession? How was the
situation in other Galician cities? What is the "hatter decease"?
I will appreciate your answers.

Sulamith Beith Yannai
Jerusalem