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Re: First Jews in England #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Schelly Talalay Dardashti wrote on 19 jul 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

"The Lost Jews of Cornwall" to his presentation
on the early Jews of England.
I only had time to take a cursory glance, but found it
fascinating. Sorry I cannot provide the author's name.
Edited by Godfrey Simmons, Keith Pearce and Helen Fry

see for the content:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/community/exe/newsletter/jewscornwall.htm >

And 66 other links:
< http://www.google.com/search?q=The.Lost.Jews.of.Cornwall >


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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Jews in England #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Schelly Talalay Dardashti wrote on 19 jul 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

"The Lost Jews of Cornwall" to his presentation
on the early Jews of England.
I only had time to take a cursory glance, but found it
fascinating. Sorry I cannot provide the author's name.
Edited by Godfrey Simmons, Keith Pearce and Helen Fry

see for the content:
< http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/community/exe/newsletter/jewscornwall.htm >

And 66 other links:
< http://www.google.com/search?q=The.Lost.Jews.of.Cornwall >


--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
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ZIMMERMAN - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

I am in possession of a letter that D. Louis ZIMMERMAN wrote to the
Department of State in Washington on 19 July 1919. In it, he requests
any information available about his uncle Lemme HIMMELHOCH, whose
last known address at that time was:
at the home of MELKOWSKAO on Trastonskaya street in the in the city
of Novozibkof in the gubernia of Chernigof, Russia.

D. Louis ZIMMERMAN owned Zimmerman & Company, "efficiency and
management engineers". His home address was 616 Bainbridge Street in
Philadelphia.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the Zimmerman or Melkowskao
families, or of Lemme Himmelhoch?

Thank you in advance for any help!

Martha Lev-Zion, Israel
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ZIMMERMAN - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

I am in possession of a letter that D. Louis ZIMMERMAN wrote to the
Department of State in Washington on 19 July 1919. In it, he requests
any information available about his uncle Lemme HIMMELHOCH, whose
last known address at that time was:
at the home of MELKOWSKAO on Trastonskaya street in the in the city
of Novozibkof in the gubernia of Chernigof, Russia.

D. Louis ZIMMERMAN owned Zimmerman & Company, "efficiency and
management engineers". His home address was 616 Bainbridge Street in
Philadelphia.

Does anyone have any knowledge of the Zimmerman or Melkowskao
families, or of Lemme Himmelhoch?

Thank you in advance for any help!

Martha Lev-Zion, Israel
Kudos: New JewishGen dropdown menu is tops! #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Congratulations to the JewishGen team that developed the NEW menu that
resides within the JewishGen logo at the top of the page. The new categories of
| Learn | Databases | Discussion | Projects | Contribute | SIGs | Hosted
Orgs |JewishGen |
make it a snap to browse the entire site.

What a great timesaver! See it at: http://www.jewishgen.org/

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kudos: New JewishGen dropdown menu is tops! #general

Bernard Kouchel <koosh@...>
 

Congratulations to the JewishGen team that developed the NEW menu that
resides within the JewishGen logo at the top of the page. The new categories of
| Learn | Databases | Discussion | Projects | Contribute | SIGs | Hosted
Orgs |JewishGen |
make it a snap to browse the entire site.

What a great timesaver! See it at: http://www.jewishgen.org/

--
Bernard Kouchel
koosh@att.net
Re: British-Jewish genealogy #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Nick wrote on 19 jul 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

"Evertjan." < exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net > wrote on 16 jul 2005 in
The American Jewish Archives website has a great genealogical
resource on the first Jewish American families.
Does anyone know if their is something similar for British Jewry?
The first Jewish families arived in Britain perhaps with the
Phoenicians, far more tha 2000 years ago, as Simon Goulden of the
United Synagogue writes here:

Daf Hashavua 23/9/2000 < http://tinyurl.com/7ts5n >

Or else they surely came with the Roman conquest, but even if they
did arrive with William the conqueror as late as 1066, your
expectation of great genealogical resources is not very reasonable.
;-}
Any suggestion in Simon Goulden's article is speculation - he is not a
historian.
That seems to be the same as I said. I merely showed the possiblilty.

btw, do historians never speculate, Nick?

It is only with the arrival of William Conqueror that there is a
definite record of rabbis and therefore an organised Jewish community.
"organised Jewish community" was not the OP's Q.

See, for instance,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/pre-1290/list_alpha.htm "Jewish
communities prior to 1290"
Thank you, quite interesting.

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)

MODERATOR NOTE: It seems that "btw" and "OP's Q" in Evertjan's message, are
(respectively): "By The Way" and "Original Poster's Question".
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: British-Jewish genealogy #general

Evertjan. <exjxw.hannivoort@...>
 

Nick wrote on 19 jul 2005 in soc.genealogy.jewish:

"Evertjan." < exjxw.hannivoort@interxnl.net > wrote on 16 jul 2005 in
The American Jewish Archives website has a great genealogical
resource on the first Jewish American families.
Does anyone know if their is something similar for British Jewry?
The first Jewish families arived in Britain perhaps with the
Phoenicians, far more tha 2000 years ago, as Simon Goulden of the
United Synagogue writes here:

Daf Hashavua 23/9/2000 < http://tinyurl.com/7ts5n >

Or else they surely came with the Roman conquest, but even if they
did arrive with William the conqueror as late as 1066, your
expectation of great genealogical resources is not very reasonable.
;-}
Any suggestion in Simon Goulden's article is speculation - he is not a
historian.
That seems to be the same as I said. I merely showed the possiblilty.

btw, do historians never speculate, Nick?

It is only with the arrival of William Conqueror that there is a
definite record of rabbis and therefore an organised Jewish community.
"organised Jewish community" was not the OP's Q.

See, for instance,
http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/pre-1290/list_alpha.htm "Jewish
communities prior to 1290"
Thank you, quite interesting.

--
Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.
(Replace all crosses with dots in my emailaddress)

MODERATOR NOTE: It seems that "btw" and "OP's Q" in Evertjan's message, are
(respectively): "By The Way" and "Original Poster's Question".
Re: First Jews in England #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Further to this discussion.
About six weeks ago, one of my JFRA Israel members
(Ra'anana branch), David Schulman brought a book
called "The Lost Jews of Cornwall" to his presentation
on the early Jews of England.
I only had time to take a cursory glance, but found it
fascinating. Sorry I cannot provide the author's name.
The focus is on a lost period of Jewish involvement in
Cornwall area mining, with examples of terms used in
mining operations, all referring to Jews in some
manner.
Perhaps one of our UK members might be able to provide
more information on this volume and the general
contents.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Now temporarily in New York City
schelly@allrelative.net
Re: Joyce and the Jews of Dublin Was: First Jews in England--and Ireland #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

< yisraelasper@comcast.net > wrote:

There were Jews in Ireland and they were expelled with their English Jewish
compatriots. The next Irish Jewish community was Sephardic.
Yisrael Asper
See http://kosherdelight.com/IrelandJewishBackground.shtml

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Jews in England #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

Further to this discussion.
About six weeks ago, one of my JFRA Israel members
(Ra'anana branch), David Schulman brought a book
called "The Lost Jews of Cornwall" to his presentation
on the early Jews of England.
I only had time to take a cursory glance, but found it
fascinating. Sorry I cannot provide the author's name.
The focus is on a lost period of Jewish involvement in
Cornwall area mining, with examples of terms used in
mining operations, all referring to Jews in some
manner.
Perhaps one of our UK members might be able to provide
more information on this volume and the general
contents.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Now temporarily in New York City
schelly@allrelative.net
JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Joyce and the Jews of Dublin Was: First Jews in England--and Ireland #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

< yisraelasper@comcast.net > wrote:

There were Jews in Ireland and they were expelled with their English Jewish
compatriots. The next Irish Jewish community was Sephardic.
Yisrael Asper
See http://kosherdelight.com/IrelandJewishBackground.shtml

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)
Re: TRANSLATION PLEASE #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i find it very difficult to make out the letters (maybe you could post a higher resolution scan or more of the rest of the page for context?), but the first looks like a shin and the last looks like a heh. obviously "zoltan" would be a male name, so the only two male names that i can think of that might fit are "shlomo" and "shemarya".

unfortunately, i'm not confident about either one.


....... tom klein, toronto

"B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:

I found a birth record of an ancestor. Beneath his Hungarian name is his
Hebrew name. I would really appreciate if someone would translate it for =
me.
You can see it on Viewmate 6485.
Re: BIRTH RECORDS #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

first, if you haven't done so already, register your family names in the jewishgen family finder. (there are some PRAGERs there, by the way.) my PRAGER relative (jozsef, grandmother's brother-in-law) is originally >from zalaegerszeg (which is near keszthely), and then cinkota.

you can check the mormon's archives online >from their web site, to see if they have b/m/d records for keszthely, in which case you can order the film(s) through your local "family history centre", usually located in one of their churches.

and you can also write to the austrian kriegsarkiv in vienna. they don't have everything, but they do answer mail, and will do searches on request. (there is a fee for this.) and be prepared to correspond with them in german.

good luck,



....... tom klein, toronto

Danielle James <daniandw@chariot.net.au> wrote:

My grandfather Oskar PRAGER was born 29 January 1876, Keszthely,
Hungary. Can anyone advise me where I can obtain his birth
certificate, or access any other type of birth record.

He also served in WWI. I do not know in what capacity. I understand
that records of officers, etc. are held in Austria; but does anyone
know where records of other ranks would be held.

Oskar married Melanie BRONNER date and place unknown.

Apart >from his date of death in Vienna, and the information above, I
have completely run into a dead end - and I would be grateful for any
advice anyone can provide.
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: TRANSLATION PLEASE #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

i find it very difficult to make out the letters (maybe you could post a higher resolution scan or more of the rest of the page for context?), but the first looks like a shin and the last looks like a heh. obviously "zoltan" would be a male name, so the only two male names that i can think of that might fit are "shlomo" and "shemarya".

unfortunately, i'm not confident about either one.


....... tom klein, toronto

"B. Frederics" <picturethisfilm@email.com> wrote:

I found a birth record of an ancestor. Beneath his Hungarian name is his
Hebrew name. I would really appreciate if someone would translate it for =
me.
You can see it on Viewmate 6485.
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: BIRTH RECORDS #hungary

tom klein <h-sig@...>
 

first, if you haven't done so already, register your family names in the jewishgen family finder. (there are some PRAGERs there, by the way.) my PRAGER relative (jozsef, grandmother's brother-in-law) is originally >from zalaegerszeg (which is near keszthely), and then cinkota.

you can check the mormon's archives online >from their web site, to see if they have b/m/d records for keszthely, in which case you can order the film(s) through your local "family history centre", usually located in one of their churches.

and you can also write to the austrian kriegsarkiv in vienna. they don't have everything, but they do answer mail, and will do searches on request. (there is a fee for this.) and be prepared to correspond with them in german.

good luck,



....... tom klein, toronto

Danielle James <daniandw@chariot.net.au> wrote:

My grandfather Oskar PRAGER was born 29 January 1876, Keszthely,
Hungary. Can anyone advise me where I can obtain his birth
certificate, or access any other type of birth record.

He also served in WWI. I do not know in what capacity. I understand
that records of officers, etc. are held in Austria; but does anyone
know where records of other ranks would be held.

Oskar married Melanie BRONNER date and place unknown.

Apart >from his date of death in Vienna, and the information above, I
have completely run into a dead end - and I would be grateful for any
advice anyone can provide.
Re: BIRTH RECORDS #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Have you consulted the corresponding microfilm at an
FHL branch library (LDS/Mormon.)

Here are the references:

Title Anyakönyvek, 1852-1895
Authors Izraelita Hitközseg, Keszthely (Main Author)

Notes Az eredeti iratok mikrofilmrevétele Budapesten a
Magyar Országos Levéltárban történt.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registers of Jewish births, marriages and deaths for
Keszthely.


Subjects Hungary, Zala, Keszthely - Jewish records


Format Manuscript (On Film)
Language Hungarian
German
Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmre vette a
Genealogical Society of Utah, 1965
Physical 1 mikrofilmtekercsen ; 35 mm.

Title Anyakönyvek, 1852-1895
Authors Izraelita Hitközseg, Keszthely (Main Author)


Note Location
Film
Születtek, házasultak, halottak 1852-1895 FHL INTL
Film 642947 Items 5-12




The website is www.familysearch.com



Robert Neu


--- Danielle James <daniandw@chariot.net.au> wrote:

Dear Members,

My grandfather Oskar PRAGER was born 29 January
1876, Keszthely,
Hungary. Can anyone advise me where I can obtain
his birth
certificate, or access any other type of birth
record.

He also served in WWI. I do not know in what
capacity. I understand
that records of officers, etc. are held in Austria;
but does anyone
know where records of other ranks would be held.

Oskar married Melanie BRONNER date and place
unknown.

Apart >from his date of death in Vienna, and the
information above, I
have completely run into a dead end - and I would be
grateful for any
advice anyone can provide.

Best wishes to all

Danielle (James)
South Australia
daniandw@chariot.net.au


Researching PRAGER (Keszthely,Hungary/Austria),
BRONNER (Moravia,
Czechoslovakia/Austria)
Re: WWI military records #hungary

MSankar <sankosy5@...>
 

Regarding Danielle James' question about military records............

I had also wanted info about my greatgrandfather who had been in the navy,
and wrote to the Austrian military archives:

O"sterreichisches Staatsarchiv
Kriegsarchiv
Nottendorfer Gasse 2
1030 Wien

They were able to provide me with his year of birth, date he entered the
service, and his company number. The archive informed me, however, that
after 1918, the Matriculation papers (which would likely have more personal
information as well) were returned to the countries that were no longer part
of Austria at that time - in my greatgrandfather's case, Hungary.

I then wrote to the Hungarian military archives:

Hadto"rte'nelmi Leve'lta'r
Kapisztra'n te'r 2-4
1250 Budapest

Their response was a very brief line informing me that they had no info on
my ancestor, and that their archives mainly had data of professional
officers.

Perhaps these addresses may be of some help. Good luck!

Michele Sankar
Ontario
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: BIRTH RECORDS #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Have you consulted the corresponding microfilm at an
FHL branch library (LDS/Mormon.)

Here are the references:

Title Anyakönyvek, 1852-1895
Authors Izraelita Hitközseg, Keszthely (Main Author)

Notes Az eredeti iratok mikrofilmrevétele Budapesten a
Magyar Országos Levéltárban történt.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registers of Jewish births, marriages and deaths for
Keszthely.


Subjects Hungary, Zala, Keszthely - Jewish records


Format Manuscript (On Film)
Language Hungarian
German
Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmre vette a
Genealogical Society of Utah, 1965
Physical 1 mikrofilmtekercsen ; 35 mm.

Title Anyakönyvek, 1852-1895
Authors Izraelita Hitközseg, Keszthely (Main Author)


Note Location
Film
Születtek, házasultak, halottak 1852-1895 FHL INTL
Film 642947 Items 5-12




The website is www.familysearch.com



Robert Neu


--- Danielle James <daniandw@chariot.net.au> wrote:

Dear Members,

My grandfather Oskar PRAGER was born 29 January
1876, Keszthely,
Hungary. Can anyone advise me where I can obtain
his birth
certificate, or access any other type of birth
record.

He also served in WWI. I do not know in what
capacity. I understand
that records of officers, etc. are held in Austria;
but does anyone
know where records of other ranks would be held.

Oskar married Melanie BRONNER date and place
unknown.

Apart >from his date of death in Vienna, and the
information above, I
have completely run into a dead end - and I would be
grateful for any
advice anyone can provide.

Best wishes to all

Danielle (James)
South Australia
daniandw@chariot.net.au


Researching PRAGER (Keszthely,Hungary/Austria),
BRONNER (Moravia,
Czechoslovakia/Austria)
Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: WWI military records #hungary

MSankar <sankosy5@...>
 

Regarding Danielle James' question about military records............

I had also wanted info about my greatgrandfather who had been in the navy,
and wrote to the Austrian military archives:

O"sterreichisches Staatsarchiv
Kriegsarchiv
Nottendorfer Gasse 2
1030 Wien

They were able to provide me with his year of birth, date he entered the
service, and his company number. The archive informed me, however, that
after 1918, the Matriculation papers (which would likely have more personal
information as well) were returned to the countries that were no longer part
of Austria at that time - in my greatgrandfather's case, Hungary.

I then wrote to the Hungarian military archives:

Hadto"rte'nelmi Leve'lta'r
Kapisztra'n te'r 2-4
1250 Budapest

Their response was a very brief line informing me that they had no info on
my ancestor, and that their archives mainly had data of professional
officers.

Perhaps these addresses may be of some help. Good luck!

Michele Sankar
Ontario
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