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Re: Zrenjanin #hungary

Ted Grossman <tgrossman@...>
 

Please keep me posted about this. My grandparents and father lived in
what was then Nagy Beckerek during World War I, where my grandfather was
a chaplain, and my grandparents served kosher food to the soldiers.
Ted Grossman
Eastsound, Washington

On Jul 29, 2005, at 8:52 AM, peter bakos wrote:

Hello >from Budapest.

I have been in touch with a person >from a Serbian Genealogy group (I
am new to it aned do not know much about what goes on in Serbia,
genealogy wise) who informed me that the Jewish community in Serbia
keep their own documents. Is this true? Does any one know about
Jewish Registers for Zrenjanin (Nagy Beckerek), or Yasi Tomic (Modos)?
Please let me know before I go there for no apparent reason.

Peter Bakos


Translation help requested #hungary

Cory Streisinger <corystr@...>
 

I recently found a web reference to Streisinger Erno - this was the name of
my great-uncle and I am trying to find whether the web page refers to him.
The web page is at http://www.nol.hu/framed/6801/
and the reference is in the fourth paragraph. I would appreciate a rough
translation. Thanks for the help.

Cory Streisinger
Portland, Oregon
corys@att.net


Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

sivin@aol.com <sivin@...>
 

Hi,
In the New York City deaths I've researched, the place of burial is
listed on the death certificate. I will then go to the New York City
Archives site and follow the links to the deaths where I can order a
certificate for about $12.00.

Also, for New York City deaths you might try the Italian Genalogical
Group. They have an excellent database which is not limited to Italians
by any means. You can find the certificate number there and date of
death, if you didn't have it before.

Regards,
H. Baldwin
Rocklin, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Zrenjanin #hungary

Ted Grossman <tgrossman@...>
 

Please keep me posted about this. My grandparents and father lived in
what was then Nagy Beckerek during World War I, where my grandfather was
a chaplain, and my grandparents served kosher food to the soldiers.
Ted Grossman
Eastsound, Washington

On Jul 29, 2005, at 8:52 AM, peter bakos wrote:

Hello >from Budapest.

I have been in touch with a person >from a Serbian Genealogy group (I
am new to it aned do not know much about what goes on in Serbia,
genealogy wise) who informed me that the Jewish community in Serbia
keep their own documents. Is this true? Does any one know about
Jewish Registers for Zrenjanin (Nagy Beckerek), or Yasi Tomic (Modos)?
Please let me know before I go there for no apparent reason.

Peter Bakos


Hungary SIG #Hungary Translation help requested #hungary

Cory Streisinger <corystr@...>
 

I recently found a web reference to Streisinger Erno - this was the name of
my great-uncle and I am trying to find whether the web page refers to him.
The web page is at http://www.nol.hu/framed/6801/
and the reference is in the fourth paragraph. I would appreciate a rough
translation. Thanks for the help.

Cory Streisinger
Portland, Oregon
corys@att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

sivin@aol.com <sivin@...>
 

Hi,
In the New York City deaths I've researched, the place of burial is
listed on the death certificate. I will then go to the New York City
Archives site and follow the links to the deaths where I can order a
certificate for about $12.00.

Also, for New York City deaths you might try the Italian Genalogical
Group. They have an excellent database which is not limited to Italians
by any means. You can find the certificate number there and date of
death, if you didn't have it before.

Regards,
H. Baldwin
Rocklin, CA


VERO-WEISZBERGER/Nyirbator and Debrecen #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

My father's first cousin, Piroska VERO was married to Zoltan VERO b.
Nyirbator 1905. I recently discovered that his parents were Abraham
WEISZBERGER and Szofia FELDMESSER >from Nyirbator. Zoltan and his
brother Dr. Laszlo WEISZBERGER both died while serving in the Hungarian
Labor Battalion. They had a sister Iren b. 1903 who survived and was
in Debrecen in 1945 after the war. She was married to Jozef LESSER.

Piri and her 4-year old daughter Marika survived Strasshof. After the
war they left Debrecen for Budapest and by December 1949 Piri had
remarried to a man named Bandi(Andras), possibly not Jewish, who had a
17-year old son.

My great-aunt Piri was born in Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hungary, now Sfatu
Georgiu, Romania, to Roszi MOSKOVITS, my paternal grandmother's oldest
sister, and Deszo MARKUS. The Debrecen records incorrectly list Piri's
mother's maiden name as MARKOVITS rather than MOSKOVITS.

I'm trying to find out what happened to Piri, Bandi, and their
children. I recall that my father Elemer NEUMANN, who was born in
Hungary, was
contacted by some cousins in 1956 and asked for help with immigration.
I believe that the family could not enter the US and may have ended up
in Argentina or Chile. Unfortunately, my dad died in 1969 and I don't
have any other relatives,names,or records.

Please get in touch if this blended family sounds familiar. Piri
(Piroska) would now be more than 90 and Bandi would be at least that
old.
Piri's daughter Marika (Maria) would be about 63. This family was
living in Budapest in 1949 and may have emigrated to South America
after 1956.

I'll be in Budapest next month and would appreciate any suggestions
about how to locate this family.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


Re: New Jersey Death #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:57:30 UTC, momat@paradise.net.nz opined:

TATCH Louis died 1961
Can anyone please point me in the right direction .
I am looking for a death in New Jersey of Louis TATCH and I cannot find any SSDI for him on line.
Is it possible for anyone to do a look up for me on this name ,
I would be extremely grateful.
It's possible that he never had a Social Security account. There was a
time not so long ago when only employed persons had such accounts; he
might have been self-employed even at the date when accounts became
obligatory. It is also conceivable that, although he had an account,
nobody reported his death to the SSA.

But this is not necessarily a problem for you. You can wrote to the NJ
Department of Health and Senior Services (I seem to remember that this
is how it is called), Trenton NJ, or look up its email address on the
NJ State Government website, and order a death certificate for the
man. There is an order form on the site that you can fill in. I think
they now require evidence of some sort that you are related to him, or
have another valid reason to have the information contained in the
death certificate. There is, of course, a reasonable charge for the
cearch, per year searched. But you already know the year.

I have ordered and received one such document >from them. Its
information unlocked for me a mystery of several years standing.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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Hungary SIG #Hungary VERO-WEISZBERGER/Nyirbator and Debrecen #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

My father's first cousin, Piroska VERO was married to Zoltan VERO b.
Nyirbator 1905. I recently discovered that his parents were Abraham
WEISZBERGER and Szofia FELDMESSER >from Nyirbator. Zoltan and his
brother Dr. Laszlo WEISZBERGER both died while serving in the Hungarian
Labor Battalion. They had a sister Iren b. 1903 who survived and was
in Debrecen in 1945 after the war. She was married to Jozef LESSER.

Piri and her 4-year old daughter Marika survived Strasshof. After the
war they left Debrecen for Budapest and by December 1949 Piri had
remarried to a man named Bandi(Andras), possibly not Jewish, who had a
17-year old son.

My great-aunt Piri was born in Sepsiszentgyorgy, Hungary, now Sfatu
Georgiu, Romania, to Roszi MOSKOVITS, my paternal grandmother's oldest
sister, and Deszo MARKUS. The Debrecen records incorrectly list Piri's
mother's maiden name as MARKOVITS rather than MOSKOVITS.

I'm trying to find out what happened to Piri, Bandi, and their
children. I recall that my father Elemer NEUMANN, who was born in
Hungary, was
contacted by some cousins in 1956 and asked for help with immigration.
I believe that the family could not enter the US and may have ended up
in Argentina or Chile. Unfortunately, my dad died in 1969 and I don't
have any other relatives,names,or records.

Please get in touch if this blended family sounds familiar. Piri
(Piroska) would now be more than 90 and Bandi would be at least that
old.
Piri's daughter Marika (Maria) would be about 63. This family was
living in Budapest in 1949 and may have emigrated to South America
after 1956.

I'll be in Budapest next month and would appreciate any suggestions
about how to locate this family.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: New Jersey Death #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 03:57:30 UTC, momat@paradise.net.nz opined:

TATCH Louis died 1961
Can anyone please point me in the right direction .
I am looking for a death in New Jersey of Louis TATCH and I cannot find any SSDI for him on line.
Is it possible for anyone to do a look up for me on this name ,
I would be extremely grateful.
It's possible that he never had a Social Security account. There was a
time not so long ago when only employed persons had such accounts; he
might have been self-employed even at the date when accounts became
obligatory. It is also conceivable that, although he had an account,
nobody reported his death to the SSA.

But this is not necessarily a problem for you. You can wrote to the NJ
Department of Health and Senior Services (I seem to remember that this
is how it is called), Trenton NJ, or look up its email address on the
NJ State Government website, and order a death certificate for the
man. There is an order form on the site that you can fill in. I think
they now require evidence of some sort that you are related to him, or
have another valid reason to have the information contained in the
death certificate. There is, of course, a reasonable charge for the
cearch, per year searched. But you already know the year.

I have ordered and received one such document >from them. Its
information unlocked for me a mystery of several years standing.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

The social security number won't help (unless the person is 'Sam Cohen' and
the right Sam happens to have a social security number on his death
certificate). If you find the person on the SSDI, the death place is
actually the place where the payments were sent - which may be where he
lived.

His death certificate will say where he was buried, usually; do you know
where he died?

Most people are buried where they lived, or where they previously lived if
they 'retired to Florida' or something. Do you know where he lived (see the
SSDI for a possibility)?

On the other hand, my 4th cousin, Yankel, came >from Poland to Western NY,
farmed in Lockport, and retired to Buffalo - but then disappeared; neither
he nor his wife had death certificates or any burials that I could
find(before Social Security). Even his grandchildren did not know where he
died. Eventually, other distant cousins told me that he and his wife went
to Grand Rapids, MI and died there. So ask everybody in the family, and try
to find other relatives who might know something.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

Sally Bruckheimer <sallybru@...>
 

The social security number won't help (unless the person is 'Sam Cohen' and
the right Sam happens to have a social security number on his death
certificate). If you find the person on the SSDI, the death place is
actually the place where the payments were sent - which may be where he
lived.

His death certificate will say where he was buried, usually; do you know
where he died?

Most people are buried where they lived, or where they previously lived if
they 'retired to Florida' or something. Do you know where he lived (see the
SSDI for a possibility)?

On the other hand, my 4th cousin, Yankel, came >from Poland to Western NY,
farmed in Lockport, and retired to Buffalo - but then disappeared; neither
he nor his wife had death certificates or any burials that I could
find(before Social Security). Even his grandchildren did not know where he
died. Eventually, other distant cousins told me that he and his wife went
to Grand Rapids, MI and died there. So ask everybody in the family, and try
to find other relatives who might know something.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ


Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kruveet k" <kruveet@gmail.com>

If I have a person's social security number and the exact date he was
born and died - how can I find out where he is buried?

Thank you
Chagit Finkelstein


If you have the exact date of the person's death,
you can look for an obituary which will hopefully
name the cemetery, or at least the funeral home.

If you got your information >from the social security
death index, the location listed is not always the same
as where the person died. It is the location where their
final payment was sent. Sometimes this can be a
nursing home, or the address of a relative who lived in
a different location.

If you are certain the location is where the person died,
the best thing to do is send for a death certificate. It will
name the cemetery.

If you did not get your information >from the social security
death index, then you can look up your information there
to confirm the information you have found. Try www.rootsweb.com

To my knowledge, the social security number will not help
you find any additional information.

Lisa


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

Lisa Lepore <llepore@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kruveet k" <kruveet@gmail.com>

If I have a person's social security number and the exact date he was
born and died - how can I find out where he is buried?

Thank you
Chagit Finkelstein


If you have the exact date of the person's death,
you can look for an obituary which will hopefully
name the cemetery, or at least the funeral home.

If you got your information >from the social security
death index, the location listed is not always the same
as where the person died. It is the location where their
final payment was sent. Sometimes this can be a
nursing home, or the address of a relative who lived in
a different location.

If you are certain the location is where the person died,
the best thing to do is send for a death certificate. It will
name the cemetery.

If you did not get your information >from the social security
death index, then you can look up your information there
to confirm the information you have found. Try www.rootsweb.com

To my knowledge, the social security number will not help
you find any additional information.

Lisa


Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 04:01:04 UTC, kruveet@gmail.com (Kruveet k)
opined:

If I have a person's social security number and the exact date he was
born and died - how can I find out where he is buried?

Thank you
Chagit Finkelstein
Kruviti haMetuka...

You can look in the Social Security Death Index. Best to use the one
provided by the New England Historic Genealogical Society
<http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/database/ss/default.asp>
because it is free. Assuming you can find him there, which is very
probable since you have his SSN and date of death, it will tell you
his place of residence at the time of death. That, of course, is the
most probable place (or vicinity) in which he is buried. >from that
point, it is a matter of writing to cemeteries and asking. This
doesn't always work. I once knew for a fact in which cemetery the
object of my search was buried, but found out only later, after many
fruitless and frustrating inquiries, that he had been disintered
later, and moved to a cemetery more cnvenient to the home of one of
his descendants.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: finding out where someone is buried #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 04:01:04 UTC, kruveet@gmail.com (Kruveet k)
opined:

If I have a person's social security number and the exact date he was
born and died - how can I find out where he is buried?

Thank you
Chagit Finkelstein
Kruviti haMetuka...

You can look in the Social Security Death Index. Best to use the one
provided by the New England Historic Genealogical Society
<http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/database/ss/default.asp>
because it is free. Assuming you can find him there, which is very
probable since you have his SSN and date of death, it will tell you
his place of residence at the time of death. That, of course, is the
most probable place (or vicinity) in which he is buried. >from that
point, it is a matter of writing to cemeteries and asking. This
doesn't always work. I once knew for a fact in which cemetery the
object of my search was buried, but found out only later, after many
fruitless and frustrating inquiries, that he had been disintered
later, and moved to a cemetery more cnvenient to the home of one of
his descendants.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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Insight into naming #general

HeleneBergman@...
 

My cousin lost her husband right after her grandson was born and
before the bris. The boy, originally to be named for his great-grandfather,
was named for both the newly-deceased grandfather and the great-
grandfather, with the name Menachem (comfort) added before.

Lanie Bergman
HeleneBergman@netscape.net
searching: FARFEL, STEINMAN, SCHWARTZ, BERGMAN, WOLF, ALEXANDER,
MEYER, WAHRENBERG, WARSHAVSKY, SPIVAK(OFF)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Insight into naming #general

HeleneBergman@...
 

My cousin lost her husband right after her grandson was born and
before the bris. The boy, originally to be named for his great-grandfather,
was named for both the newly-deceased grandfather and the great-
grandfather, with the name Menachem (comfort) added before.

Lanie Bergman
HeleneBergman@netscape.net
searching: FARFEL, STEINMAN, SCHWARTZ, BERGMAN, WOLF, ALEXANDER,
MEYER, WAHRENBERG, WARSHAVSKY, SPIVAK(OFF)


Re: Census Puzzle #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:48:14 UTC, martin@insytecorp.com (nitram)
opined:

I did a search for prwr and found that this question has been going on
for years and I could find no definitive answer.

According to my search three things are possible (1) prwr means prewar.
This seemed to be disregarded immediately because it was found on 1910
census and how would anyone know that a war was coming ... hence pre
war makes no sense. (2) pr wr could mean prisoner of war, and (3) some
individuals found grmy prwr on census' >from people they were sure were
from Russia. Some think that it may be an early means of some machine
presorting code.

However, I am intrigued and I will keep searching.

Martin Kleiner
"Keep searching" covers a multitude of sins, because it is amorphous.

Whatever its meaning, the string seems to be an ad hoc code for some
step in processing by the Census Bureau. This suggests that
application to the Census Bureau might disclose its meaning. The
website of this agency is at <http://www.census.gov>. In all
probability, there is a "Contact us" address or form somewhere on it.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Census Puzzle #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:48:14 UTC, martin@insytecorp.com (nitram)
opined:

I did a search for prwr and found that this question has been going on
for years and I could find no definitive answer.

According to my search three things are possible (1) prwr means prewar.
This seemed to be disregarded immediately because it was found on 1910
census and how would anyone know that a war was coming ... hence pre
war makes no sense. (2) pr wr could mean prisoner of war, and (3) some
individuals found grmy prwr on census' >from people they were sure were
from Russia. Some think that it may be an early means of some machine
presorting code.

However, I am intrigued and I will keep searching.

Martin Kleiner
"Keep searching" covers a multitude of sins, because it is amorphous.

Whatever its meaning, the string seems to be an ad hoc code for some
step in processing by the Census Bureau. This suggests that
application to the Census Bureau might disclose its meaning. The
website of this agency is at <http://www.census.gov>. In all
probability, there is a "Contact us" address or form somewhere on it.
--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address
is not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the
URL above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.