Does anyone know if this enterprise is still in existence?
Kaye Paletz
Bucks County Pa
kpaletz@njstatelib.org

Does anyone know if this enterprise is still in existence?
Kaye Paletz
Bucks County Pa
kpaletz@njstatelib.org

Hi,

I am looking for Melvin, Joe and Evelyn RABINOWITZ, children of Hyman and
Rose.
They would be 80 years old now, +/- some years. I am hoping they are
living and well.

Though I don't believe they are direct relatives, my great great
grandmother, Rebeccas SCHULTZ was a lodger in their house (according to the 1930
census). Though she may have only lived their briefly, I am guessing this is
not the case, as she was already elderly, and being illiterate, could not have
functioned well if she had to move a lot.
I am hoping the (then) children could share some memories of her, if
possible. There is a chance we could be cousins, though I am unaware of
what the relationship would be. More likely there is a professional
connection of sorts. I know her (Rebeccas) oldest son was a butcher, and
apparently Hyman is also a butcher. So, perhaps the son, Max SCHULTZ, knew
of this other butcher who had room in his house for the elderly mother.

I found out last week, with the help of kind genners, that Rebecca SCHULTZ
was burried at Waldheim, in the Anshe Chodokov section (spelled as
"Chordokover"). As this was a congregation, there might be a connection
along those lines.

Rebecca was living on Trumbull St. in Chicago when she died in 1949, if
that rings a bell.

***
Steven D. Bloom
email: sbloom@email.hsc.edu

Hi,

I am looking for Melvin, Joe and Evelyn RABINOWITZ, children of Hyman and
Rose.
They would be 80 years old now, +/- some years. I am hoping they are
living and well.

Though I don't believe they are direct relatives, my great great
grandmother, Rebeccas SCHULTZ was a lodger in their house (according to the 1930
census). Though she may have only lived their briefly, I am guessing this is
not the case, as she was already elderly, and being illiterate, could not have
functioned well if she had to move a lot.
I am hoping the (then) children could share some memories of her, if
possible. There is a chance we could be cousins, though I am unaware of
what the relationship would be. More likely there is a professional
connection of sorts. I know her (Rebeccas) oldest son was a butcher, and
apparently Hyman is also a butcher. So, perhaps the son, Max SCHULTZ, knew
of this other butcher who had room in his house for the elderly mother.

I found out last week, with the help of kind genners, that Rebecca SCHULTZ
was burried at Waldheim, in the Anshe Chodokov section (spelled as
"Chordokover"). As this was a congregation, there might be a connection
along those lines.

Rebecca was living on Trumbull St. in Chicago when she died in 1949, if
that rings a bell.

***
Steven D. Bloom
email: sbloom@email.hsc.edu

When I switched >from DOS to Windows and Word Perfect
to Word, I 'lost' the e-version of the index I made to
a Jewish cemetery. This is much different than
backing up files, it is a matter of converting from
one progam in one operating system and new both.
Unless the programmers give you a 'conversion', you
may end up having to make paper copies and scanning
them in to OCR... with today's technology anyway. Who
knows what tomorrow will bring.

I think the point of the 'Universal Program' is that
they intend to make it compatible with whatever comes
up.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

When I switched >from DOS to Windows and Word Perfect
to Word, I 'lost' the e-version of the index I made to
a Jewish cemetery. This is much different than
backing up files, it is a matter of converting from
one progam in one operating system and new both.
Unless the programmers give you a 'conversion', you
may end up having to make paper copies and scanning
them in to OCR... with today's technology anyway. Who
knows what tomorrow will bring.

I think the point of the 'Universal Program' is that
they intend to make it compatible with whatever comes
up.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

I just came back >from the NYC records (on Chambers
St.) and got a copy of my ggrandparents wedding
certificate (1918). If you haven't done this already
you should go. Getting the death and marriage
certificates for my family members has provided a
wealth of information -- that people who are alive
today have simply forgotten.

Anyway, I never knew the maiden name of my
gggrandmother, and it is on this document. Her name
was Fannie GORILITZ or GRAULITZ (there are two
different certificates and the name is spelled
differently on both). I doubt that she was actually

from Plotsk, but more likely >from another town in the

Plock Gubernia, potentially Biezun or Zuromin.

Anyway, I have sent emails to people listed on family
finder who are looking for Gerlitz. But maybe there
is somone who reads these bulletin boards who can
provide some additional information.

Thanks for all of the help.

Todd Brody

I just came back >from the NYC records (on Chambers
St.) and got a copy of my ggrandparents wedding
certificate (1918). If you haven't done this already
you should go. Getting the death and marriage
certificates for my family members has provided a
wealth of information -- that people who are alive
today have simply forgotten.

Anyway, I never knew the maiden name of my
gggrandmother, and it is on this document. Her name
was Fannie GORILITZ or GRAULITZ (there are two
different certificates and the name is spelled
differently on both). I doubt that she was actually

from Plotsk, but more likely >from another town in the

Plock Gubernia, potentially Biezun or Zuromin.

Anyway, I have sent emails to people listed on family
finder who are looking for Gerlitz. But maybe there
is somone who reads these bulletin boards who can
provide some additional information.

Thanks for all of the help.

Todd Brody

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:53:28 UTC, hekenvin@bellsouth.net opined:

Many years ago, I interviewed an elderly cousin who remembered that her uncle
had twins named (and this is spelled phonetically) Isha [or Eesha] and Izha
{or Eezha].

These apparently were nicknames or kinuim. Does anyone have any idea their
actual names might have been?

With thanks,
Helene Kenvin

One supposes that "Isha" is Yesha'ayahu (Isaiah), but, depending upon
where the family lived, could also be (Ishak) Yitzh.ak, like my
Romanian dentist.

"Izha" is no more unambiguous. The point is that questions like this
ought not to be put by titration, a drop at a time, because European
Jewry was never all of a piece.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:53:28 UTC, hekenvin@bellsouth.net opined:

Many years ago, I interviewed an elderly cousin who remembered that her uncle
had twins named (and this is spelled phonetically) Isha [or Eesha] and Izha
{or Eezha].

These apparently were nicknames or kinuim. Does anyone have any idea their
actual names might have been?

With thanks,
Helene Kenvin

One supposes that "Isha" is Yesha'ayahu (Isaiah), but, depending upon
where the family lived, could also be (Ishak) Yitzh.ak, like my
Romanian dentist.

"Izha" is no more unambiguous. The point is that questions like this
ought not to be put by titration, a drop at a time, because European
Jewry was never all of a piece.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the URL is:
http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form there.

Working >from www.jgsny.org:

"The American Jewish Year Book, 1919-1920,"
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/1919-20ajyb.htm lists a
Podkamiener Erste United, a mutual aid society.

"Landsmanshaftn and other town and country-related organizations incorporated in
New York County 1848-1920 in the AJHS collection of New York County incorporations"
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/ajhs.htm lists a
Congregation First United Independent Podkamiener, incorporated 1899, Document
Number 246. AJHS's website is
at http://www.ajhs.org/.

http://www.jgsny.org/searchcity.htm using the letters podk leads to

Society Name City State/Country Cem Name Notes Society Type

First United Independent Podkaminer Congregation (cem)
Podkamen
Ukr
Mt. Zion
Path D4 Left, Gate 3
Landsmanshaft


Joy Rich

---

I am trying to find out more about my grandparents Hyman and Mathilda YOTES.

There are buried At Mt. Zion Cemetery in Masbeth Queens NY with the First
United Pokaminer Congregation. There is no information at the cemetery about
this organization other then it longer exists. I can not find it on the WPA list.
If anyone has information about this I would appreciate it if you could contact
me @ tljn1129@yahoo.com. Thank you.>>>

Working >from www.jgsny.org:

"The American Jewish Year Book, 1919-1920,"
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/1919-20ajyb.htm lists a
Podkamiener Erste United, a mutual aid society.

"Landsmanshaftn and other town and country-related organizations incorporated in
New York County 1848-1920 in the AJHS collection of New York County incorporations"
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/ajhs.htm lists a
Congregation First United Independent Podkamiener, incorporated 1899, Document
Number 246. AJHS's website is
at http://www.ajhs.org/.

http://www.jgsny.org/searchcity.htm using the letters podk leads to

Society Name City State/Country Cem Name Notes Society Type

First United Independent Podkaminer Congregation (cem)
Podkamen
Ukr
Mt. Zion
Path D4 Left, Gate 3
Landsmanshaft


Joy Rich

---

I am trying to find out more about my grandparents Hyman and Mathilda YOTES.

There are buried At Mt. Zion Cemetery in Masbeth Queens NY with the First
United Pokaminer Congregation. There is no information at the cemetery about
this organization other then it longer exists. I can not find it on the WPA list.
If anyone has information about this I would appreciate it if you could contact
me @ tljn1129@yahoo.com. Thank you.>>>

Dear Genners!
I would be pleased to get help with translating this three records >from
Polish into English.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6641
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6651
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6652

Please send answer directly to
Roland Tompowsky
Sweden
email roland.tompowsky@telia.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

Dear Genners!
I would be pleased to get help with translating this three records >from
Polish into English.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6641
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6651
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6652

Please send answer directly to
Roland Tompowsky
Sweden
email roland.tompowsky@telia.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.

There is an acocunt of the Pellegrin Treves family in Lucien Wolf's Essays
in Jewish History, (edited by Cecil Roth), published by the Jewish Historical
Society of England, 1934, pp. 147-181. This was first published in the Jewish
Chronicle in 1896.
He refers p. 147 to a story that the Treves family (of Italy) was descended

from Rashi, but 'no complete pedigree showing the descent of the Treves

family >from Rashi is in existence' although there are some interesting
coincidences (p. 148) which might suggest there is a connection. He concludes
that 'Only two links are requited to connect the present Baron Treves do
Bonfili, of Venice, with the family of Rashi...' (p. 180).
He shows p. 163 that a descendant of the original Pellegrin Treves (there
was more than one with that name) 'married a daughter of the late Lord Howard
of Glossop, sister of the Marchioness of Bute.' This is the only reference to
that family.
It appears that the connection of the Treves family and Rashi is unproven
and its connection with the Marquess of Bute is quite indirect.

During the struggle for Jewish emanciaption in Britain a Bill was introduced
in 1841 to enable Jews to be elected to Municipal office. The then Marguess
of Bute was an advocate of it and through his efforts it reched the second
reading in the House of Lords, although it was defeated later on.

Harold Pollins
Oxford
---

In Hyamson's "The Sephardim of England," he states that the Marquess of

Bute is a descendant of Pellegrin Treves and is either a direct or
collateral descendant of Rashi.

I have been trying to find information to confirm this but I can't find
anything.

Can anyone help?

Thank you.

Brooke Morris
bxzi@yahoo.com >>>

There is an acocunt of the Pellegrin Treves family in Lucien Wolf's Essays
in Jewish History, (edited by Cecil Roth), published by the Jewish Historical
Society of England, 1934, pp. 147-181. This was first published in the Jewish
Chronicle in 1896.
He refers p. 147 to a story that the Treves family (of Italy) was descended

from Rashi, but 'no complete pedigree showing the descent of the Treves

family >from Rashi is in existence' although there are some interesting
coincidences (p. 148) which might suggest there is a connection. He concludes
that 'Only two links are requited to connect the present Baron Treves do
Bonfili, of Venice, with the family of Rashi...' (p. 180).
He shows p. 163 that a descendant of the original Pellegrin Treves (there
was more than one with that name) 'married a daughter of the late Lord Howard
of Glossop, sister of the Marchioness of Bute.' This is the only reference to
that family.
It appears that the connection of the Treves family and Rashi is unproven
and its connection with the Marquess of Bute is quite indirect.

During the struggle for Jewish emanciaption in Britain a Bill was introduced
in 1841 to enable Jews to be elected to Municipal office. The then Marguess
of Bute was an advocate of it and through his efforts it reched the second
reading in the House of Lords, although it was defeated later on.

Harold Pollins
Oxford
---

In Hyamson's "The Sephardim of England," he states that the Marquess of

Bute is a descendant of Pellegrin Treves and is either a direct or
collateral descendant of Rashi.

I have been trying to find information to confirm this but I can't find
anything.

Can anyone help?

Thank you.

Brooke Morris
bxzi@yahoo.com >>>

Many years ago, I interviewed an elderly cousin who remembered that her uncle had
twins named (and this is spelled phonetically) Isha [or Eesha] and Izha {or Eezha].

These apparently were nicknames or kinuim. Does anyone have any idea their
actual names might have been?

With thanks,
Helene Kenvin

Many years ago, I interviewed an elderly cousin who remembered that her uncle had
twins named (and this is spelled phonetically) Isha [or Eesha] and Izha {or Eezha].

These apparently were nicknames or kinuim. Does anyone have any idea their
actual names might have been?

With thanks,
Helene Kenvin

Attached you will find 4 parts of an 1834 Polish marriage record.
I would like some help translating them >from Polish to English.
Cities mentioned in the document are: Piotrkow, Lodz, Opoczno, Kaliz.


http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6644
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6645
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6646
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6647


Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA
(Reply to: tome1111@earthlink.net)

Attached you will find 4 parts of an 1834 Polish marriage record.
I would like some help translating them >from Polish to English.
Cities mentioned in the document are: Piotrkow, Lodz, Opoczno, Kaliz.


http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6644
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6645
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6646
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6647


Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA
(Reply to: tome1111@earthlink.net)