After my uncle Hermann OHRINGER >from Amsterdam passed away some years ago,
I helped my cousin, his daughter, through the letters and documents he
left.
To my astonishment I found an affidavit which an american cousin,
Isidor OHRINGER, 59 years old, >from Riverside Drive XXX, New York City, sent
to him for me and my sister, in 1948 ( we were minors).
We never intended to use this as our wish was to come to Israel and we were
not in touch .
But now I would like very much to find this cousin and his (our) family.
I would like to get advise how to go about this.

Michal GUTMACHER
Nazaret Illit
Israel

After my uncle Hermann OHRINGER >from Amsterdam passed away some years ago,
I helped my cousin, his daughter, through the letters and documents he
left.
To my astonishment I found an affidavit which an american cousin,
Isidor OHRINGER, 59 years old, >from Riverside Drive XXX, New York City, sent
to him for me and my sister, in 1948 ( we were minors).
We never intended to use this as our wish was to come to Israel and we were
not in touch .
But now I would like very much to find this cousin and his (our) family.
I would like to get advise how to go about this.

Michal GUTMACHER
Nazaret Illit
Israel

I constantly update my programs and backup my data. I figure that in fewer
than five years everything will be stored on a chip. I will then convert to
that medium. I also make hard copies of EVERYTHING!!

Brenda Freedland Pangborn

I constantly update my programs and backup my data. I figure that in fewer
than five years everything will be stored on a chip. I will then convert to
that medium. I also make hard copies of EVERYTHING!!

Brenda Freedland Pangborn

I am trying to contact some who currently lives in Frunza. Can someone
help me find him. Thanks. Marilyn Feingold

MILGROM,KORMAN-Tulchin SCHLAFFER, SZAFIR-Kamenka ( Moldova)
PEKARSKY/SOKOLOFSKY-Tashkent/Israel STEINBERG/LERNER/ELKUS/MILGROM/Kishinev/Odessa
TESLER/MALAMUD/LUBER-Kamenka (Moldova)KOLKER/TARTAKOV/SPIVAK-Obodivaka
FELDMAN, SHENKER-Obodivka ROSENTHAL-Worone/Pittsburgh
MILTER-Kodima (Moldova) TONKONOGY-Frunza (Tashkent)

I am trying to contact some who currently lives in Frunza. Can someone
help me find him. Thanks. Marilyn Feingold

MILGROM,KORMAN-Tulchin SCHLAFFER, SZAFIR-Kamenka ( Moldova)
PEKARSKY/SOKOLOFSKY-Tashkent/Israel STEINBERG/LERNER/ELKUS/MILGROM/Kishinev/Odessa
TESLER/MALAMUD/LUBER-Kamenka (Moldova)KOLKER/TARTAKOV/SPIVAK-Obodivaka
FELDMAN, SHENKER-Obodivka ROSENTHAL-Worone/Pittsburgh
MILTER-Kodima (Moldova) TONKONOGY-Frunza (Tashkent)

I'd like to offer a differing opinion about this topic, in total
agreement with Stan Goodman.

I've read the several postings offering huge cautions against listing
family trees on the internet. I don't see of what use a name is to a
spammer without an accompanied email address. Harvesters don't
gather names, only email addresses. And if a "bad guy" even were to
find a family tree, they'd have no way to locate any of the
individuals. Their modus operandi is to send out thousands/millions
of emails to reel in suckers (that's why they call it "phishing"),
and go >from there, rather then to spend hours digging out family
trees, then more hours trying to locate the listed individuals.

If I list someone as "daughter, living", how can this lead to
identity theft? Even if I list "Ann, still living", how can this
lead to identity theft???? And how many cases of identity theft have
you heard of which began with info >from a genealogy website????

I think we're being 'way over-worried in too many ways today.

I maybe can understand the caution about publishing "mother's maiden
name", since U.S banks etc. had used that as a security
device. However, in the past couple of years, institutions have
stopped using that clue, so even that's no longer a concern.

My family tree has been on the web for about six years now. I've
found far more cousins, than otherwise. Two cousins have asked me to
remove their personal info, which I of course did. (their listings
now say, "daughter, living" husband, living", etc.)

Oh, yes, one more thing. If YOU get a message >from someone claiming
to be a relative, and all they know is what's on your website, then
YOU had better be careful!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia USA

I'd like to offer a differing opinion about this topic, in total
agreement with Stan Goodman.

I've read the several postings offering huge cautions against listing
family trees on the internet. I don't see of what use a name is to a
spammer without an accompanied email address. Harvesters don't
gather names, only email addresses. And if a "bad guy" even were to
find a family tree, they'd have no way to locate any of the
individuals. Their modus operandi is to send out thousands/millions
of emails to reel in suckers (that's why they call it "phishing"),
and go >from there, rather then to spend hours digging out family
trees, then more hours trying to locate the listed individuals.

If I list someone as "daughter, living", how can this lead to
identity theft? Even if I list "Ann, still living", how can this
lead to identity theft???? And how many cases of identity theft have
you heard of which began with info >from a genealogy website????

I think we're being 'way over-worried in too many ways today.

I maybe can understand the caution about publishing "mother's maiden
name", since U.S banks etc. had used that as a security
device. However, in the past couple of years, institutions have
stopped using that clue, so even that's no longer a concern.

My family tree has been on the web for about six years now. I've
found far more cousins, than otherwise. Two cousins have asked me to
remove their personal info, which I of course did. (their listings
now say, "daughter, living" husband, living", etc.)

Oh, yes, one more thing. If YOU get a message >from someone claiming
to be a relative, and all they know is what's on your website, then
YOU had better be careful!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia USA

I am looking for others who are studying family that lived in Tashkent.
Some were buried there. Please contact me if you have information to share.
Thanks. Marilyn Feingold

MILGROM,KORMAN-Tulchin
SCHLAFFER, SZAFIR-Kamenka ( Moldova)
PEKARSKY/SOKOLOFSKY-Tashkent/Israel
STEINBERG/LERNER/ELKUS/MILGROM/Kishinev/Odessa
TESLER/MALAMUD/LUBER-Kamenka (Moldova)
KOLKER/TARTAKOV/SPIVAK-Obodivaka
FELDMAN, SHENKER-Obodivka
ROSENTHAL-Worone/Pittsburgh
MILTER-Kodima (Moldova)
TONKONOGY-Frunza (Tashkent)

I am looking for others who are studying family that lived in Tashkent.
Some were buried there. Please contact me if you have information to share.
Thanks. Marilyn Feingold

MILGROM,KORMAN-Tulchin
SCHLAFFER, SZAFIR-Kamenka ( Moldova)
PEKARSKY/SOKOLOFSKY-Tashkent/Israel
STEINBERG/LERNER/ELKUS/MILGROM/Kishinev/Odessa
TESLER/MALAMUD/LUBER-Kamenka (Moldova)
KOLKER/TARTAKOV/SPIVAK-Obodivaka
FELDMAN, SHENKER-Obodivka
ROSENTHAL-Worone/Pittsburgh
MILTER-Kodima (Moldova)
TONKONOGY-Frunza (Tashkent)

Have you asked the cemetery where he is buried? Have you asked if he is
buried where you think he is buried? They usually have records of who is
where, but sometimes they are not great

My gr grandfather is in a cemetery (according to his death certificate) kept
by a synagogue which is still in business. A woman I know tried to
straighten out their records. They have a dozen plots with someone in them,
but they don't know who; they have another dozen plots that might have
someone in them; they have a bunch of people who are supposedly somewhere,
but they don't know where. And my gr grandfather.

But usually they know who is where.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

Have you asked the cemetery where he is buried? Have you asked if he is
buried where you think he is buried? They usually have records of who is
where, but sometimes they are not great

My gr grandfather is in a cemetery (according to his death certificate) kept
by a synagogue which is still in business. A woman I know tried to
straighten out their records. They have a dozen plots with someone in them,
but they don't know who; they have another dozen plots that might have
someone in them; they have a bunch of people who are supposedly somewhere,
but they don't know where. And my gr grandfather.

But usually they know who is where.

Sally Bruckheimer
Bridgewater, NJ

Dear fellow ROM-SIGgers,

We are delighted to be able to announce that Robert Wascou has accepted
the postion as the Resource Coordinator for the ROM-SIG! This is
position that is requested for all of the SIGs, who are asked to have
one person who will coordinate all of the research projects and Project
Coordinators, of that SIG. This will centralize all of these projects
for a SIG, and make it simpler for the JewishGen teams, who can then
communicate with/through only one person.

Bob has done, and will continue to do a superlative job coordinating the
Kishinev database project for us. He is very experienced, capable and
an exceptional manager! We are very fortunate that he has agreed to
undertake this new position - and very, very grateful!

Thank you, Bob!

Rosanne and Paula

Dear fellow ROM-SIGgers,

We are delighted to be able to announce that Robert Wascou has accepted
the postion as the Resource Coordinator for the ROM-SIG! This is
position that is requested for all of the SIGs, who are asked to have
one person who will coordinate all of the research projects and Project
Coordinators, of that SIG. This will centralize all of these projects
for a SIG, and make it simpler for the JewishGen teams, who can then
communicate with/through only one person.

Bob has done, and will continue to do a superlative job coordinating the
Kishinev database project for us. He is very experienced, capable and
an exceptional manager! We are very fortunate that he has agreed to
undertake this new position - and very, very grateful!

Thank you, Bob!

Rosanne and Paula

Just in: more pre 1826 data (1820 to 1822)

See: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/ciechanow/pre1826/page2.html

and >from earlier message....

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/ciechanow/pre1826 (1822 to 1825)

Our thanks go to Ron Geller for this very valuable contribution.

--------------------------------------------
Stan Zeidenberg
Ciechanow Research Group, Coordinator
Toronto, Canada

Just in: more pre 1826 data (1820 to 1822)

See: http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/ciechanow/pre1826/page2.html

and >from earlier message....

http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/ciechanow/pre1826 (1822 to 1825)

Our thanks go to Ron Geller for this very valuable contribution.

--------------------------------------------
Stan Zeidenberg
Ciechanow Research Group, Coordinator
Toronto, Canada

I have a copy of a map of the town of Mako in the south of Hungary
dating >from 1824. All the house/land plots are numbered and on the
reverse is a list of all the householders. There are three groups of
Jewish names (confirmed by the fact that they have the letters Zs
after their name for Zsido.) Jews were authorised to settle in the
town in 1740 and a hevra kaddisha was founded in 1748. The first
synagogue was built in 1814. The Jews were under the 'protection' of
the Bishop (and no doubt paid taxes for this privilege.)

I am not sure of the question that started this thread and I don't
know where these Jews came >from originally but most of them seem to
have German names (or Hungarianised alternatives such as Kiss for
Klein) which would seem to suggest Ashkenazi rather than Sephardi
origins. I have a copy of the pamphlet by the last 'neolog' rabbi and
historian of the town, Dr KECSKEMETI Armin on the history of the Jews
of Mako. It is in Hungarian but the dates in the earlier part of the
pamphlet seem to confirm the arrival date of 1740.

Sue Fifer, London, England
suef@dial.pipex.com

Moderator Note: I am posting this only because it is remotely possible
that it is connected to Galicia. Please post to this list only messages focused
on Galicia.

I have a copy of a map of the town of Mako in the south of Hungary
dating >from 1824. All the house/land plots are numbered and on the
reverse is a list of all the householders. There are three groups of
Jewish names (confirmed by the fact that they have the letters Zs
after their name for Zsido.) Jews were authorised to settle in the
town in 1740 and a hevra kaddisha was founded in 1748. The first
synagogue was built in 1814. The Jews were under the 'protection' of
the Bishop (and no doubt paid taxes for this privilege.)

I am not sure of the question that started this thread and I don't
know where these Jews came >from originally but most of them seem to
have German names (or Hungarianised alternatives such as Kiss for
Klein) which would seem to suggest Ashkenazi rather than Sephardi
origins. I have a copy of the pamphlet by the last 'neolog' rabbi and
historian of the town, Dr KECSKEMETI Armin on the history of the Jews
of Mako. It is in Hungarian but the dates in the earlier part of the
pamphlet seem to confirm the arrival date of 1740.

Sue Fifer, London, England
suef@dial.pipex.com

Moderator Note: I am posting this only because it is remotely possible
that it is connected to Galicia. Please post to this list only messages focused
on Galicia.

Dear Genners and Siggers,

After reuniting my 2 first cousins Rudi Rosner and
Reuven Orschutzer I found out that our grandfather
Jacob Chiel ROSNER (1866-1942) after whom I am named
was born in Dabrowa Tarnowska and moved to Krakow only
at the begining of the 20th century.

I started looking via JRI-PL,Yad Vashem and
Shoreshim.org for Rosner at Tarnow area and discovered
in Raanana, Israel a Rosner family which arrived here

from Tarnow and Zabno (close to Dabrowa).

They told me that they lived in Tarnow area but
originate in Vizhnitsa (Vizhnitz),Bukovina, once
Austria,between 1918-1939 Romania and after 1945 the
Ukraine.

Would appreciate any direction call about ROSNERS

from Vizhnitsa who moved westward to Galicia in mid

19th century.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

Dear Genners and Siggers,

After reuniting my 2 first cousins Rudi Rosner and
Reuven Orschutzer I found out that our grandfather
Jacob Chiel ROSNER (1866-1942) after whom I am named
was born in Dabrowa Tarnowska and moved to Krakow only
at the begining of the 20th century.

I started looking via JRI-PL,Yad Vashem and
Shoreshim.org for Rosner at Tarnow area and discovered
in Raanana, Israel a Rosner family which arrived here

from Tarnow and Zabno (close to Dabrowa).

They told me that they lived in Tarnow area but
originate in Vizhnitsa (Vizhnitz),Bukovina, once
Austria,between 1918-1939 Romania and after 1945 the
Ukraine.

Would appreciate any direction call about ROSNERS

from Vizhnitsa who moved westward to Galicia in mid

19th century.

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem