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DEATH AT SEA (My Location) #unitedkingdom

Ena Jacobs
 

Hello Again JCR-UK Group:
Apologies - in reading my posted message,
I omitted to include my location.
Ena JACOBS
California, U.S.
enabob@cox.net


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom DEATH AT SEA (My Location) #unitedkingdom

Ena Jacobs
 

Hello Again JCR-UK Group:
Apologies - in reading my posted message,
I omitted to include my location.
Ena JACOBS
California, U.S.
enabob@cox.net


'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Ena Jacobs
 

Hello JCR-UK Discussion Group:
I recently retrieved the Passenger Records of a branch of my
maternal ancestral family, who left Southampton for New York 1912.
One member of this group who emigrated >from UK to US is not listed,
I was informed by family members she 'Died at Sea' 'on the way'!
I have been unsuccessful in recovering any further information on her.

My question is: if I order the Manifest >from Ellis Island, will this also
include a list of 'Deaths at Sea' on that voyage, or merely the arrival
of my family members? I applied for a Death Cert. >from N.Y -
none was found. I have searched cemetery records, no record.
I have E-Mailed Ellis Island, but have not received any reply.

I understand there is a list of 'Deaths at Sea' at Kew, can I write
to them for a Search without hiring a costly researcher?
Any advice or suggestions to my dilemna will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Ena JACOBS
Researching: FESTENSTEIN - Lithuania/Russia to UK/ZA/US
SCHWALBE - Poland to UK/ZA/US
JACOBS/JACOBSON - Galicia/Austria to US
WASSERMAN - Hungary to US
JURIST & GLUCKMAN/GLICKMAN - Romania to US
enabob@cox.net


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom 'DEATH AT SEA' QUESTION #unitedkingdom

Ena Jacobs
 

Hello JCR-UK Discussion Group:
I recently retrieved the Passenger Records of a branch of my
maternal ancestral family, who left Southampton for New York 1912.
One member of this group who emigrated >from UK to US is not listed,
I was informed by family members she 'Died at Sea' 'on the way'!
I have been unsuccessful in recovering any further information on her.

My question is: if I order the Manifest >from Ellis Island, will this also
include a list of 'Deaths at Sea' on that voyage, or merely the arrival
of my family members? I applied for a Death Cert. >from N.Y -
none was found. I have searched cemetery records, no record.
I have E-Mailed Ellis Island, but have not received any reply.

I understand there is a list of 'Deaths at Sea' at Kew, can I write
to them for a Search without hiring a costly researcher?
Any advice or suggestions to my dilemna will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Ena JACOBS
Researching: FESTENSTEIN - Lithuania/Russia to UK/ZA/US
SCHWALBE - Poland to UK/ZA/US
JACOBS/JACOBSON - Galicia/Austria to US
WASSERMAN - Hungary to US
JURIST & GLUCKMAN/GLICKMAN - Romania to US
enabob@cox.net


1910 Census puzzle #germany

Barbara Siegel
 

Dear All,
On the family index card 1910 Census of my PGM used to access final census
data I found the following notation in reference to birthplace: GRMY PRWR
After consulting with other researchers and the staff at NARA it was agreed
that GRMY stands for "Germany" However, no one had an answer for the "PRWR"
The best guess was "Pre War" This combination GRMY PRWR was noted for many
listings as I scrolled thru rolls of microfilm.

On the Census index card of 1920 it lists her birthplace as POSEN and
language as German. Ditto for both of her parents.

Does anyone have any clues as to the meaning of PRWR on census index cards
in this time frame?

Would it be safe to assume that she was born in Posen, Prussia and that the
PRWR is a reference to Prussia?

Barbara Siegel bsiegel@netvision.net.il Jerusalem/Chicago


German SIG #Germany 1910 Census puzzle #germany

Barbara Siegel
 

Dear All,
On the family index card 1910 Census of my PGM used to access final census
data I found the following notation in reference to birthplace: GRMY PRWR
After consulting with other researchers and the staff at NARA it was agreed
that GRMY stands for "Germany" However, no one had an answer for the "PRWR"
The best guess was "Pre War" This combination GRMY PRWR was noted for many
listings as I scrolled thru rolls of microfilm.

On the Census index card of 1920 it lists her birthplace as POSEN and
language as German. Ditto for both of her parents.

Does anyone have any clues as to the meaning of PRWR on census index cards
in this time frame?

Would it be safe to assume that she was born in Posen, Prussia and that the
PRWR is a reference to Prussia?

Barbara Siegel bsiegel@netvision.net.il Jerusalem/Chicago


KLINGENSTEIN Family & Judenmatrikel Miltenberg Bavaria - Brickwall #germany

Jeanette R Rosenberg <106503.3561@...>
 

Gersiggers
Your help is needed:

Alongside distant relatives and fellow Gersig members Phil URLWIN-SMITH of
Woking UK and Hugh BRODER of Detroit USA, I am researching our shared
SCHUBACH ancestors. We have traced the SCHUBACH family back to the late
1700s when they lived in Muelheim bei Koblenz which is today better known
as Verbandsgemeinde Weissenthurm in Rheinland-Pfalz. Our research has also
taken us in a number of different directions in terms of names and places
and we are now also looking for related lines called KLINGENSTEIN and BEHR.

The descendants of all three families married amongst each other and the
inter-relationships are complex.

Using a well known commercial organisation's extensive online material, the
BEHR family have been traced back to New York. Louis BEHR and his wife
Helena or Lenchen arrived in about 1855 >from an unknown place in Bavaria.

We also know that the KLINGENSTEIN family came originally >from Miltenberg
in Bavaria. Joseph KLINGENSTEIN (1827-1890) was the son of Abraham
KLINGENSTEIN and Lenchen ANSBACHER. He was the teacher and kantor at the
Jewish school in Ober Ingelheim Rheinland-Pfalz and is buried there.

Joseph married Amalie MANNHEIMER (born 1829 in Klein Heubach Bavaria, died
1905 London UK). Klein Heubach is located geographically close by to Miltenberg.

The SCHUBACH family also married in to another branch of the KLINGENSTEIN
family, with 4 siblings:
Henry (born 1830) married to Razalie;
Sig (born 1830) married to Amelia, emigrated to the US in 1846;
William (born 1834) died in London UK 1916;
Helena (born 1835) married to Marx SCHUBACH, died in London UK 1916.

We want to establish whether Joseph KLINGENSTEIN was an elder sibling of
the above named 4. To do this we need to consult the Juden Matrikel for
Miltenberg Bavaria, because the local Standesamt only holds local records
after 1866. Where can this be done outside the Bavaria State Archives in
Munich or CAHJP in Jerusalem? Have the Mormons filmed this record and what
is its call reference number? Without access to this, I've hit a brick wall.

A further question concerns the parentage of Arthur KLINGENSTEIN. Whilst
Amalie KLINGENSTEIN nee MANNHEIMER was his mother, who was his father? To
find out I need to find the date and details of the marriage of Joseph
KLINGENSTEIN to Amalie MANNHEIMER. We need to know when and where their
marriage took place and whether Amalie had been married before and to whom.

Amalie's birth record >from the Kleinheubach Juden Matrikel shows in a
margin annotation that she was married in 1855, but not who she married,
and details about Amalie and Josef in the Ingelheim local community history
book states that they were childless. The book is called "Sie Sind Mitten
Unter Uns - Zur Gechichte Der Juden in Ingelheim" by Han-Georg Meyer and
Gerd Mentgen ISBN 3-924124-29-9 published 1998. 684 pages. Our Moderator
might care to add the details of this book to our archive.

However, after Joseph's death in 1890, we know >from UK Census material that
Amalie moved to London UK to live with her son Arthur KLINGENSTEIN (born in
Germany in1857, died 1917 in London UK) and daughter in law Regina
SCHUBACH).

Where do we go >from here? All ideas welcome.

Jeanette Rosenberg, London UK email 106503.3561@compuserve.com


German SIG #Germany KLINGENSTEIN Family & Judenmatrikel Miltenberg Bavaria - Brickwall #germany

Jeanette R Rosenberg <106503.3561@...>
 

Gersiggers
Your help is needed:

Alongside distant relatives and fellow Gersig members Phil URLWIN-SMITH of
Woking UK and Hugh BRODER of Detroit USA, I am researching our shared
SCHUBACH ancestors. We have traced the SCHUBACH family back to the late
1700s when they lived in Muelheim bei Koblenz which is today better known
as Verbandsgemeinde Weissenthurm in Rheinland-Pfalz. Our research has also
taken us in a number of different directions in terms of names and places
and we are now also looking for related lines called KLINGENSTEIN and BEHR.

The descendants of all three families married amongst each other and the
inter-relationships are complex.

Using a well known commercial organisation's extensive online material, the
BEHR family have been traced back to New York. Louis BEHR and his wife
Helena or Lenchen arrived in about 1855 >from an unknown place in Bavaria.

We also know that the KLINGENSTEIN family came originally >from Miltenberg
in Bavaria. Joseph KLINGENSTEIN (1827-1890) was the son of Abraham
KLINGENSTEIN and Lenchen ANSBACHER. He was the teacher and kantor at the
Jewish school in Ober Ingelheim Rheinland-Pfalz and is buried there.

Joseph married Amalie MANNHEIMER (born 1829 in Klein Heubach Bavaria, died
1905 London UK). Klein Heubach is located geographically close by to Miltenberg.

The SCHUBACH family also married in to another branch of the KLINGENSTEIN
family, with 4 siblings:
Henry (born 1830) married to Razalie;
Sig (born 1830) married to Amelia, emigrated to the US in 1846;
William (born 1834) died in London UK 1916;
Helena (born 1835) married to Marx SCHUBACH, died in London UK 1916.

We want to establish whether Joseph KLINGENSTEIN was an elder sibling of
the above named 4. To do this we need to consult the Juden Matrikel for
Miltenberg Bavaria, because the local Standesamt only holds local records
after 1866. Where can this be done outside the Bavaria State Archives in
Munich or CAHJP in Jerusalem? Have the Mormons filmed this record and what
is its call reference number? Without access to this, I've hit a brick wall.

A further question concerns the parentage of Arthur KLINGENSTEIN. Whilst
Amalie KLINGENSTEIN nee MANNHEIMER was his mother, who was his father? To
find out I need to find the date and details of the marriage of Joseph
KLINGENSTEIN to Amalie MANNHEIMER. We need to know when and where their
marriage took place and whether Amalie had been married before and to whom.

Amalie's birth record >from the Kleinheubach Juden Matrikel shows in a
margin annotation that she was married in 1855, but not who she married,
and details about Amalie and Josef in the Ingelheim local community history
book states that they were childless. The book is called "Sie Sind Mitten
Unter Uns - Zur Gechichte Der Juden in Ingelheim" by Han-Georg Meyer and
Gerd Mentgen ISBN 3-924124-29-9 published 1998. 684 pages. Our Moderator
might care to add the details of this book to our archive.

However, after Joseph's death in 1890, we know >from UK Census material that
Amalie moved to London UK to live with her son Arthur KLINGENSTEIN (born in
Germany in1857, died 1917 in London UK) and daughter in law Regina
SCHUBACH).

Where do we go >from here? All ideas welcome.

Jeanette Rosenberg, London UK email 106503.3561@compuserve.com


Into: researching JACOBS family from Schneidemule/Pila Germany #germany

Eileen
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for
one year. I consider myself to be a novice in doing German Jewish
Genealogy research. I live in the urban city of Hazleton, Pennsylvania, USA.
My native language is English and I am not fluent in other languages.
I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My experience in using
the Internet is intermediate.

I have identified the names and approximate birth date and the death date of my
grandparent, Sophie Jacobs SUPOWIT (or alternate Supowitz) as 1864 -1948,
born in Germany-Prussia.

My primary research goals now are to find out information about the Mendel
JACOBS Family. I have little else to to on. I do know there were 6
children in the family and their given names.

The family names and towns that I am researching are:
JACOBS - Schneidemuhl, Germany to New York in about 1885

Eileen Brenner, kydebren@ptd.net Hazleton, PA


German SIG #Germany Into: researching JACOBS family from Schneidemule/Pila Germany #germany

Eileen
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for
one year. I consider myself to be a novice in doing German Jewish
Genealogy research. I live in the urban city of Hazleton, Pennsylvania, USA.
My native language is English and I am not fluent in other languages.
I consider myself intermediate in using a computer. My experience in using
the Internet is intermediate.

I have identified the names and approximate birth date and the death date of my
grandparent, Sophie Jacobs SUPOWIT (or alternate Supowitz) as 1864 -1948,
born in Germany-Prussia.

My primary research goals now are to find out information about the Mendel
JACOBS Family. I have little else to to on. I do know there were 6
children in the family and their given names.

The family names and towns that I am researching are:
JACOBS - Schneidemuhl, Germany to New York in about 1885

Eileen Brenner, kydebren@ptd.net Hazleton, PA


Israel Genealogy Society - Quarterly Magazine #southafrica

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

The August issue of "Sharsheret Hadorot,"
the quarterly Magazine of The Israel Genealogical Society,
Edited by Yocheved Klausner, is now available, (Vol. 19 No. 3).

It includes the following articles:

The Toledano Family of Gibraltar, by Jacob Tal Toledano.
The Search for Koenigsbuch on the Internet, by Jacob Rosen.
A Journey in the Wake of a Forgotten Yesteryear, by Or Aleksandrowicz.
Families who Trace Their Ancestry to King David, by Avishai Elboim.
The International Conference of Jews >from Constantine (Algeria),
by Mathilde Tagger.
Index of Voter Lists in Constantine (Algeria) and its District in 1880,
by Mathilde Tagger.
Notes >from the Library, by Harriet Kasow.
Book Review: Recanati, Aure: Memorial de la Deportation des Juifs de Grece.
Jerusalem, Abraham Cohen-Erez Publ.,2005. 3 volumes (French), Reviewed
by Mathilde A. Tagger.
The Racist Obsession of the National Socialists and Its Impact on
German-Jewish Genealogical Research, Summary of Part III by Harold Lewin.

For further information please contact Beryl Baleson at balden@zahav.net.il


Beryl Baleson
Israel.


South Africa SIG #SouthAfrica Israel Genealogy Society - Quarterly Magazine #southafrica

Beryl. B <balden@...>
 

The August issue of "Sharsheret Hadorot,"
the quarterly Magazine of The Israel Genealogical Society,
Edited by Yocheved Klausner, is now available, (Vol. 19 No. 3).

It includes the following articles:

The Toledano Family of Gibraltar, by Jacob Tal Toledano.
The Search for Koenigsbuch on the Internet, by Jacob Rosen.
A Journey in the Wake of a Forgotten Yesteryear, by Or Aleksandrowicz.
Families who Trace Their Ancestry to King David, by Avishai Elboim.
The International Conference of Jews >from Constantine (Algeria),
by Mathilde Tagger.
Index of Voter Lists in Constantine (Algeria) and its District in 1880,
by Mathilde Tagger.
Notes >from the Library, by Harriet Kasow.
Book Review: Recanati, Aure: Memorial de la Deportation des Juifs de Grece.
Jerusalem, Abraham Cohen-Erez Publ.,2005. 3 volumes (French), Reviewed
by Mathilde A. Tagger.
The Racist Obsession of the National Socialists and Its Impact on
German-Jewish Genealogical Research, Summary of Part III by Harold Lewin.

For further information please contact Beryl Baleson at balden@zahav.net.il


Beryl Baleson
Israel.


Viewmate - Russian Translation Request #general

Victor Shaines <vaesny@...>
 

Hi,

I have put up 2 sides of a Russian Death certificate of my grandfather, Abraham
Welidnitski. I would appreciate any assistance in the translations.

Please go to the VIEWMATE site, which is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
The 2 file names are VM6663 and VM6664

You may also go directly to the 2 images via links to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6663
and
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6664

Please reply directly to me, Victor Shaines, at vaesny@yahoo.com

Thank you.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Viewmate - Russian Translation Request #general

Victor Shaines <vaesny@...>
 

Hi,

I have put up 2 sides of a Russian Death certificate of my grandfather, Abraham
Welidnitski. I would appreciate any assistance in the translations.

Please go to the VIEWMATE site, which is:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/toview.html
The 2 file names are VM6663 and VM6664

You may also go directly to the 2 images via links to:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6663
and
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6664

Please reply directly to me, Victor Shaines, at vaesny@yahoo.com

Thank you.


Re: Leipzig records #germany

Lande
 

There are extensive records available regarding Leipzig's Jewish community.
The Holocaust Museum holds the following three books deal with Leipzig in
the Holocaust: Ellen Bertram Menschen ohne Grabstein; Adolf Diamant
Deportationsbuch der in den Jahren 1942 bis 1945 von Leipzig gewaltsam
verschickten Juden; Leipzigen Juedischen Jahr und Adressbuch 1933.
The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People holds 18 records
for the period 1914 to 1912 (exact nature unknown), the Stiftung Neue
Synagoge in Berlin holds 23 documents relating to the period 1834 to 1931
(probably few with vital records information) and the Zentralstelle fuer
Genealogie in Leipzig has a register for the Jewish cemetery there
1815-1860. This last item was filmed by the LDS Family History Library, but
for some reason does not show up in its catalog. One should also check the
holdings of the Leo Baeck Institute in New York.

Peter Lande Washington, D.C. <pdlande@starpower.net>


German SIG #Germany Re: Leipzig records #germany

Lande
 

There are extensive records available regarding Leipzig's Jewish community.
The Holocaust Museum holds the following three books deal with Leipzig in
the Holocaust: Ellen Bertram Menschen ohne Grabstein; Adolf Diamant
Deportationsbuch der in den Jahren 1942 bis 1945 von Leipzig gewaltsam
verschickten Juden; Leipzigen Juedischen Jahr und Adressbuch 1933.
The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People holds 18 records
for the period 1914 to 1912 (exact nature unknown), the Stiftung Neue
Synagoge in Berlin holds 23 documents relating to the period 1834 to 1931
(probably few with vital records information) and the Zentralstelle fuer
Genealogie in Leipzig has a register for the Jewish cemetery there
1815-1860. This last item was filmed by the LDS Family History Library, but
for some reason does not show up in its catalog. One should also check the
holdings of the Leo Baeck Institute in New York.

Peter Lande Washington, D.C. <pdlande@starpower.net>


Orphanages/Asylums in the NY area- 1893, 1899 #general

Soc.genealogy.jewish <dave279@...>
 

My mother and her brother were placed temporary in an orphange/asylum
during the time period between 1893 and 1899
in the New York area. Mother passed away in 1965. I have been
trying to find out what orphanage/asylum she was in but to no
avail. I contacted the "Jewish Child Cre Association: and "American
Jewish Historical Society" but to no avail. I also looked on the
Internet for Non-Sectarain Orphanges/Asylums again to no avail.
Can someone tell me where else to go to find my mother during
that time period. Many many thanks. Dave Estes Winston at
E-Mail: DAVE279@CHARTER.NET


JewishGen needs a volunteer in Ontario province in Canada #general

Saul Goldstone <sgoldstone@...>
 

Dear 'genners,

Our most important source of contacting other researchers regarding
possible family connections is the email address. Sadly, many of these
in our databases have been changed and notification was never sent to
JewishGen. These people are then lost to all of us.

The JewishGen lostNfound desk is asking that you help by giving us a little
of your time. We need a volunteer willing to make a phone call to people whose
e-mail addresses are bouncing. If a phone number cannot be found, the task becomes
to send a letter (a form letter will be provided).

If you are willing to do this in the province of Ontario (Canada)
please get back to me. A little bit of help in this effort can mean a lot
to someone trying to make family connections.

Saul Goldstone
LostNFound Project Coordinator
sgoldstone@jewishgen.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Orphanages/Asylums in the NY area- 1893, 1899 #general

Soc.genealogy.jewish <dave279@...>
 

My mother and her brother were placed temporary in an orphange/asylum
during the time period between 1893 and 1899
in the New York area. Mother passed away in 1965. I have been
trying to find out what orphanage/asylum she was in but to no
avail. I contacted the "Jewish Child Cre Association: and "American
Jewish Historical Society" but to no avail. I also looked on the
Internet for Non-Sectarain Orphanges/Asylums again to no avail.
Can someone tell me where else to go to find my mother during
that time period. Many many thanks. Dave Estes Winston at
E-Mail: DAVE279@CHARTER.NET


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JewishGen needs a volunteer in Ontario province in Canada #general

Saul Goldstone <sgoldstone@...>
 

Dear 'genners,

Our most important source of contacting other researchers regarding
possible family connections is the email address. Sadly, many of these
in our databases have been changed and notification was never sent to
JewishGen. These people are then lost to all of us.

The JewishGen lostNfound desk is asking that you help by giving us a little
of your time. We need a volunteer willing to make a phone call to people whose
e-mail addresses are bouncing. If a phone number cannot be found, the task becomes
to send a letter (a form letter will be provided).

If you are willing to do this in the province of Ontario (Canada)
please get back to me. A little bit of help in this effort can mean a lot
to someone trying to make family connections.

Saul Goldstone
LostNFound Project Coordinator
sgoldstone@jewishgen.org