To whom it may concern,
I do not know if this is appropriate, or of interest. I have only recently
discovered that my grandparents were both Polish and Czech Jews. Please find
their details listed below as received >from the National Archives in Prague.
I would love to know if anyone has any further information on my family.

Otto 28.4.1892 and Ester WERNER(nee ADLER) 16.12.1904, were sent to Terezin
13.7.1943, >from there to auschwitz 6.9.1943. Their last address before
deportation was: Praha 1 Benediktska 2.

My maternal Great Grandparents were born in Lodz, Poland.
Nach Natalia ADLER (nee MICHALOWICZ) 4.1 or 23.12.1876 and Gerson ADLER,
17.4 or 11.5.1877, came to Terezin 22.2.1942 and were sent to Treblinka
19.2.1942. They lived not in Prague, but in Slany near Kladno.

Their children were: Ester WERNER (nee ADLER) 16.12.1904. Anna ADLER,
13.12.1911 were sent to Terezin 24.4.1942, >from there to Treblinks
19.10.1942.
Mosek Sljama (Moritz?) 22.3.1903, came to Terezin 4.12.1941 and to Treblinka
19.10. 1942. It might be that he volunteered to go with the family, because
people who came 4.12.1941 were not sent at this time to Poland. Natalia,
Anna and Mosek Sljama lived, before deportation, in Praha XIV, Nazahonech
16.

There was also a sibling, Ida HOFFMAN (nee ADLER) 2.1 or 4.1.1909 who
married a Jindrich HOFFMAN 25.9.1905 (Valasske Mezirici) in approx. 1930.
She survived the Holocaust because they moved to Israel and were the people
to whom my Mother, Hanna WERNER, was sent.

Regards, Sherry Hatfield.

To whom it may concern,
I do not know if this is appropriate, or of interest. I have only recently
discovered that my grandparents were both Polish and Czech Jews. Please find
their details listed below as received >from the National Archives in Prague.
I would love to know if anyone has any further information on my family.

Otto 28.4.1892 and Ester WERNER(nee ADLER) 16.12.1904, were sent to Terezin
13.7.1943, >from there to auschwitz 6.9.1943. Their last address before
deportation was: Praha 1 Benediktska 2.

My maternal Great Grandparents were born in Lodz, Poland.
Nach Natalia ADLER (nee MICHALOWICZ) 4.1 or 23.12.1876 and Gerson ADLER,
17.4 or 11.5.1877, came to Terezin 22.2.1942 and were sent to Treblinka
19.2.1942. They lived not in Prague, but in Slany near Kladno.

Their children were: Ester WERNER (nee ADLER) 16.12.1904. Anna ADLER,
13.12.1911 were sent to Terezin 24.4.1942, >from there to Treblinks
19.10.1942.
Mosek Sljama (Moritz?) 22.3.1903, came to Terezin 4.12.1941 and to Treblinka
19.10. 1942. It might be that he volunteered to go with the family, because
people who came 4.12.1941 were not sent at this time to Poland. Natalia,
Anna and Mosek Sljama lived, before deportation, in Praha XIV, Nazahonech
16.

There was also a sibling, Ida HOFFMAN (nee ADLER) 2.1 or 4.1.1909 who
married a Jindrich HOFFMAN 25.9.1905 (Valasske Mezirici) in approx. 1930.
She survived the Holocaust because they moved to Israel and were the people
to whom my Mother, Hanna WERNER, was sent.

Regards, Sherry Hatfield.

Sorin,

The Jewish records were kept by the Jewish communities. To my knowledge
these were all in Romanian. Very early records were written in Cyrillic
Romanian, which unfortunately can now only be read by a few scholars.

If you want to know more about the kinds of records that were kept in
Romania you should read the chapter on Romania, in the new Avotaynu
Guide to Jewish Genelaogy, of Mokotoff and Sack.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG
========================
Sorin Goldenberg wrote:

Sorin,

The Jewish records were kept by the Jewish communities. To my knowledge
these were all in Romanian. Very early records were written in Cyrillic
Romanian, which unfortunately can now only be read by a few scholars.

If you want to know more about the kinds of records that were kept in
Romania you should read the chapter on Romania, in the new Avotaynu
Guide to Jewish Genelaogy, of Mokotoff and Sack.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG
========================
Sorin Goldenberg wrote:

Valerie, the JGS-Montreal has a moderately complete set of Jewish
vital records (+some non-Jewish) for 1841-1942, and I can
definitively say that the answer to both questions is *yes*.

That is, some were recorded (either under births or deaths) and many
(or perhaps most) were not recorded at all. But for that matter, many
live births were also not recorded immediately or ever.

If you send me the details privately, I can check.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada
http://www.jgs-montreal.org

Valerie, the JGS-Montreal has a moderately complete set of Jewish
vital records (+some non-Jewish) for 1841-1942, and I can
definitively say that the answer to both questions is *yes*.

That is, some were recorded (either under births or deaths) and many
(or perhaps most) were not recorded at all. But for that matter, many
live births were also not recorded immediately or ever.

If you send me the details privately, I can check.

Alan Greenberg
Montreal, Canada
http://www.jgs-montreal.org

I've tried to thank each person who responded individually, but in case I
missed anyone - thanks so much for helping me figure out where "Yurgenborg" is.
Everyone seems to think it's Jurbarkas, Lithuania. Thanks, as always, for
your help.

Kathy Rand
Lake Forest, IL

I've tried to thank each person who responded individually, but in case I
missed anyone - thanks so much for helping me figure out where "Yurgenborg" is.
Everyone seems to think it's Jurbarkas, Lithuania. Thanks, as always, for
your help.

Kathy Rand
Lake Forest, IL

Dear 'Genners..

We are delighted to tell you about a wonderful opportunity to own a set of
3 CDs containing 31 recorded presentations at the just concluded IAJGS
conference in Las Vegas. All this is thanks to Ron Arons and his small
army of volunteers. Ron stepped up to the plate when it was announced that
the customary practice of recording the sessions could not be
followed. Conference attendees as well as those who were not able to join
us in Las Vegas now have an opportunity to listen to 31 of the sessions.

We are making the complete set available at a very affordable $35 plus
modest shipping and handling costs. Shipping cost will vary depending on
the country to which the set is being delivered and will show up when you
go through the ordering system in the Mall. Nothing is charged to your
credit card until you approve, so don't be timid about using the
system. Ron will start burning CDs and shipping as soon as he begins to
get the orders. Hopefully you will keep him busy for the next few weeks!
<g>

To see a complete listing of which of the sessions were recorded visit
the JewishGenMall at www.jewishgenmall.org The quickest way to find
the complete description is to either enter the full title into the search
field, "IAJGS 2005 Conference Lectures in a 3 CD Set (MP3 audio files)"
or just select "Recorded Lecture"s >from the Topic drop down box.

The sooner you order, the sooner you can enjoy listening to the conference
lectures at your leisure.

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

Dear 'Genners..

We are delighted to tell you about a wonderful opportunity to own a set of
3 CDs containing 31 recorded presentations at the just concluded IAJGS
conference in Las Vegas. All this is thanks to Ron Arons and his small
army of volunteers. Ron stepped up to the plate when it was announced that
the customary practice of recording the sessions could not be
followed. Conference attendees as well as those who were not able to join
us in Las Vegas now have an opportunity to listen to 31 of the sessions.

We are making the complete set available at a very affordable $35 plus
modest shipping and handling costs. Shipping cost will vary depending on
the country to which the set is being delivered and will show up when you
go through the ordering system in the Mall. Nothing is charged to your
credit card until you approve, so don't be timid about using the
system. Ron will start burning CDs and shipping as soon as he begins to
get the orders. Hopefully you will keep him busy for the next few weeks!
<g>

To see a complete listing of which of the sessions were recorded visit
the JewishGenMall at www.jewishgenmall.org The quickest way to find
the complete description is to either enter the full title into the search
field, "IAJGS 2005 Conference Lectures in a 3 CD Set (MP3 audio files)"
or just select "Recorded Lecture"s >from the Topic drop down box.

The sooner you order, the sooner you can enjoy listening to the conference
lectures at your leisure.

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

We are delighted to tell you about a wonderful opportunity to own a set of
3 CDs containing 31 recorded presentations at the just concluded IAJGS
conference in Las Vegas. All this is thanks to Ron Arons and his small
army of volunteers. Ron stepped up to the plate when it was announced that
the customary practice of recording the sessions could not be
followed. Conference attendees as well as those who were not able to join
us in Las Vegas now have an opportunity to listen to 31 of the sessions.

We are making the complete set available at a very affordable $35 plus
modest shipping and handling costs. Shipping cost will vary depending on
the country to which the set is being delivered and will show up when you
go through the ordering system in the Mall. Nothing is charged to your
credit card until you approve, so don't be timid about using the
system. Ron will start burning CDs and shipping as soon as he begins to
get the orders. Hopefully you will keep him busy for the next few weeks!
<g>

To see a complete listing of which of the sessions were recorded visit
the JewishGenMall at www.jewishgenmall.org The quickest way to find
the complete description is to either enter the full title into the search
field, "IAJGS 2005 Conference Lectures in a 3 CD Set (MP3 audio files)"
or just select "Recorded Lecture"s >from the Topic drop down box.

The sooner you order, the sooner you can enjoy listening to the conference
lectures at your leisure.

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects
cskydell@jewishgen.org

We are delighted to tell you about a wonderful opportunity to own a set of
3 CDs containing 31 recorded presentations at the just concluded IAJGS
conference in Las Vegas. All this is thanks to Ron Arons and his small
army of volunteers. Ron stepped up to the plate when it was announced that
the customary practice of recording the sessions could not be
followed. Conference attendees as well as those who were not able to join
us in Las Vegas now have an opportunity to listen to 31 of the sessions.

We are making the complete set available at a very affordable $35 plus
modest shipping and handling costs. Shipping cost will vary depending on
the country to which the set is being delivered and will show up when you
go through the ordering system in the Mall. Nothing is charged to your
credit card until you approve, so don't be timid about using the
system. Ron will start burning CDs and shipping as soon as he begins to
get the orders. Hopefully you will keep him busy for the next few weeks!
<g>

To see a complete listing of which of the sessions were recorded visit
the JewishGenMall at www.jewishgenmall.org The quickest way to find
the complete description is to either enter the full title into the search
field, "IAJGS 2005 Conference Lectures in a 3 CD Set (MP3 audio files)"
or just select "Recorded Lecture"s >from the Topic drop down box.

The sooner you order, the sooner you can enjoy listening to the conference
lectures at your leisure.

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects
cskydell@jewishgen.org

I've tried to thank each person who responded individually, but in case I
missed anyone - thanks so much for helping me figure out where
"Yurgenborg" is.

Everyone seems to think it's Jurbarkas, Lithuania. Thanks, as always,
for
your help.

Kathy Rand
Lake Forest, IL

I've tried to thank each person who responded individually, but in case I
missed anyone - thanks so much for helping me figure out where
"Yurgenborg" is.

Everyone seems to think it's Jurbarkas, Lithuania. Thanks, as always,
for
your help.

Kathy Rand
Lake Forest, IL

We are happy to announce the translation to English of two additional
chapters >from the Radzyn Podlaski Yizkor Book:

1. A Memorial To The Town by Yitzchak Zigelman
The editor of the Yizkor book tells how and why the book came to be
written.

2. Moishe Smolasz-A Radzyn Legend by Shmuel Daniely
The story of a saintly Jew who lived all alone in the forest near
Radzyn

We thank Joyce Field, Lance Ackerfeld and the rest of the Yizkor Book
Project personnel for uploading the chapters onto the Yizkor Book website.

Nachman and Temmy Goldwasser
Gesher Haziv
Israel

We are happy to announce the translation to English of two additional
chapters >from the Radzyn Podlaski Yizkor Book:

1. A Memorial To The Town by Yitzchak Zigelman
The editor of the Yizkor book tells how and why the book came to be
written.

2. Moishe Smolasz-A Radzyn Legend by Shmuel Daniely
The story of a saintly Jew who lived all alone in the forest near
Radzyn

We thank Joyce Field, Lance Ackerfeld and the rest of the Yizkor Book
Project personnel for uploading the chapters onto the Yizkor Book website.

Nachman and Temmy Goldwasser
Gesher Haziv
Israel

We are delighted to tell you about a wonderful opportunity to own a set of
3 CDs containing 31 recorded presentations at the just concluded IAJGS
conference in Las Vegas. All this is thanks to Ron Arons and his small
army of volunteers. Ron stepped up to the plate when it was announced that
the customary practice of recording the sessions could not be
followed. Conference attendees as well as those who were not able to join
us in Las Vegas now have an opportunity to listen to 31 of the sessions.

We are making the complete set available at a very affordable $35 plus
modest shipping and handling costs. Shipping cost will vary depending on
the country to which the set is being delivered and will show up when you
go through the ordering system in the Mall. Nothing is charged to your
credit card until you approve, so don't be timid about using the
system. Ron will start burning CDs and shipping as soon as he begins to
get the orders. Hopefully you will keep him busy for the next few weeks! <g>

To see a complete listing of which of the sessions were recorded visit
the JewishGenMall at www.jewishgenmall.org The quickest way to find
the complete description is to either enter the full title into the search
field, "IAJGS 2005 Conference Lectures in a 3 CD Set (MP3 audio files)"
or just select "Recorded Lecture"s >from the Topic drop down box.

The sooner you order, the sooner you can enjoy listening to the conference
lectures at your leisure.

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects
cskydell@jewishgen.org

We are delighted to tell you about a wonderful opportunity to own a set of
3 CDs containing 31 recorded presentations at the just concluded IAJGS
conference in Las Vegas. All this is thanks to Ron Arons and his small
army of volunteers. Ron stepped up to the plate when it was announced that
the customary practice of recording the sessions could not be
followed. Conference attendees as well as those who were not able to join
us in Las Vegas now have an opportunity to listen to 31 of the sessions.

We are making the complete set available at a very affordable $35 plus
modest shipping and handling costs. Shipping cost will vary depending on
the country to which the set is being delivered and will show up when you
go through the ordering system in the Mall. Nothing is charged to your
credit card until you approve, so don't be timid about using the
system. Ron will start burning CDs and shipping as soon as he begins to
get the orders. Hopefully you will keep him busy for the next few weeks! <g>

To see a complete listing of which of the sessions were recorded visit
the JewishGenMall at www.jewishgenmall.org The quickest way to find
the complete description is to either enter the full title into the search
field, "IAJGS 2005 Conference Lectures in a 3 CD Set (MP3 audio files)"
or just select "Recorded Lecture"s >from the Topic drop down box.

The sooner you order, the sooner you can enjoy listening to the conference
lectures at your leisure.

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects
cskydell@jewishgen.org

Following my reunion with my 2 first cousins Rudy
Rosner(b.1920 Berlin) and Reuven Orschutzer(b. 1925
Krakow) I continued my research and found out that our
grandfather Jacob Chiel Rosner(1866-1942) was born in
Dabrowa Tarnowska(pronounced Dombrowa).His parents
were Rubin and Malka.Rubin was apparently a Chasidic
Rabbi.

I found in EIDB that a certain Judah Rosner(b.1880 in
Tarnow) came to the USA in 1920. He was accompanied by
his wife Gele and 4 children. The 2 youngest were
Malka (b.1911) and Rubin(b.1913). He declared that he
will stay with his father H.Rosner in NY who also paid
for the tickets.

There is indeed a Hirsch Rosner (b.1857 or 1862 in
Tarnow) who came to the USA in 1905 accompanied by his
daughter Esther who was 18 in 1905.

I suspect that Judah named his younger kids Malka and
Rubin after his grandparents who may be my
greatgrandparents.

Does it ring a bell????
Thanks

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

P.S. Further to this posting, today I found out
that Rubin Rosner (b.1914) who came with his parents
to the USA in 1920 died in Morris Plains NJ in 2002.
He had a sister Malka (b.1911) who is called in the
1930 Census Mildred. He had an older brother
Nathan (b.1909) whose name i do not find in SSDI.
Rubin Rosner whose parents were Judah and Gele(Gussi)
is probably my 2nd cousin.

Would appreciate any lead to find his family members.
Jacob

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.

Following my reunion with my 2 first cousins Rudy
Rosner(b.1920 Berlin) and Reuven Orschutzer(b. 1925
Krakow) I continued my research and found out that our
grandfather Jacob Chiel Rosner(1866-1942) was born in
Dabrowa Tarnowska(pronounced Dombrowa).His parents
were Rubin and Malka.Rubin was apparently a Chasidic
Rabbi.

I found in EIDB that a certain Judah Rosner(b.1880 in
Tarnow) came to the USA in 1920. He was accompanied by
his wife Gele and 4 children. The 2 youngest were
Malka (b.1911) and Rubin(b.1913). He declared that he
will stay with his father H.Rosner in NY who also paid
for the tickets.

There is indeed a Hirsch Rosner (b.1857 or 1862 in
Tarnow) who came to the USA in 1905 accompanied by his
daughter Esther who was 18 in 1905.

I suspect that Judah named his younger kids Malka and
Rubin after his grandparents who may be my
greatgrandparents.

Does it ring a bell????
Thanks

Jacob Rosen
Jerusalem

P.S. Further to this posting, today I found out
that Rubin Rosner (b.1914) who came with his parents
to the USA in 1920 died in Morris Plains NJ in 2002.
He had a sister Malka (b.1911) who is called in the
1930 Census Mildred. He had an older brother
Nathan (b.1909) whose name i do not find in SSDI.
Rubin Rosner whose parents were Judah and Gele(Gussi)
is probably my 2nd cousin.

Would appreciate any lead to find his family members.
Jacob

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately.