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Re: First United Independent Pokaminer @ Mt Zion Cemetery Queens #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Working >from www.jgsny.org:

"The American Jewish Year Book, 1919-1920,"
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/1919-20ajyb.htm lists a
Podkamiener Erste United, a mutual aid society.

"Landsmanshaftn and other town and country-related organizations incorporated in
New York County 1848-1920 in the AJHS collection of New York County incorporations"
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/ajhs.htm lists a
Congregation First United Independent Podkamiener, incorporated 1899, Document
Number 246. AJHS's website is
at http://www.ajhs.org/.

http://www.jgsny.org/searchcity.htm using the letters podk leads to

Society Name City State/Country Cem Name Notes Society Type

First United Independent Podkaminer Congregation (cem)
Podkamen
Ukr
Mt. Zion
Path D4 Left, Gate 3
Landsmanshaft


Joy Rich

---

I am trying to find out more about my grandparents Hyman and Mathilda YOTES.
There are buried At Mt. Zion Cemetery in Masbeth Queens NY with the First
United Pokaminer Congregation. There is no information at the cemetery about
this organization other then it longer exists. I can not find it on the WPA list.
If anyone has information about this I would appreciate it if you could contact
me @ tljn1129@yahoo.com. Thank you.>>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First United Independent Pokaminer @ Mt Zion Cemetery Queens #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

Working >from www.jgsny.org:

"The American Jewish Year Book, 1919-1920,"
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/1919-20ajyb.htm lists a
Podkamiener Erste United, a mutual aid society.

"Landsmanshaftn and other town and country-related organizations incorporated in
New York County 1848-1920 in the AJHS collection of New York County incorporations"
http://home.att.net/%7Elandsmanshaft/ajhs.htm lists a
Congregation First United Independent Podkamiener, incorporated 1899, Document
Number 246. AJHS's website is
at http://www.ajhs.org/.

http://www.jgsny.org/searchcity.htm using the letters podk leads to

Society Name City State/Country Cem Name Notes Society Type

First United Independent Podkaminer Congregation (cem)
Podkamen
Ukr
Mt. Zion
Path D4 Left, Gate 3
Landsmanshaft


Joy Rich

---

I am trying to find out more about my grandparents Hyman and Mathilda YOTES.
There are buried At Mt. Zion Cemetery in Masbeth Queens NY with the First
United Pokaminer Congregation. There is no information at the cemetery about
this organization other then it longer exists. I can not find it on the WPA list.
If anyone has information about this I would appreciate it if you could contact
me @ tljn1129@yahoo.com. Thank you.>>>


VM - Translation from Polish #general

Roland Tompowsky <roland.tompowsky@...>
 

Dear Genners!
I would be pleased to get help with translating this three records >from
Polish into English.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6641
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6651
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6652

Please send answer directly to
Roland Tompowsky
Sweden
email roland.tompowsky@telia.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM - Translation from Polish #general

Roland Tompowsky <roland.tompowsky@...>
 

Dear Genners!
I would be pleased to get help with translating this three records >from
Polish into English.

http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6641
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6651
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6652

Please send answer directly to
Roland Tompowsky
Sweden
email roland.tompowsky@telia.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Please reply privately.


Re: Rashi/Treves/Bute Connection #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

There is an acocunt of the Pellegrin Treves family in Lucien Wolf's Essays
in Jewish History, (edited by Cecil Roth), published by the Jewish Historical
Society of England, 1934, pp. 147-181. This was first published in the Jewish
Chronicle in 1896.
He refers p. 147 to a story that the Treves family (of Italy) was descended
from Rashi, but 'no complete pedigree showing the descent of the Treves
family >from Rashi is in existence' although there are some interesting
coincidences (p. 148) which might suggest there is a connection. He concludes
that 'Only two links are requited to connect the present Baron Treves do
Bonfili, of Venice, with the family of Rashi...' (p. 180).
He shows p. 163 that a descendant of the original Pellegrin Treves (there
was more than one with that name) 'married a daughter of the late Lord Howard
of Glossop, sister of the Marchioness of Bute.' This is the only reference to
that family.
It appears that the connection of the Treves family and Rashi is unproven
and its connection with the Marquess of Bute is quite indirect.

During the struggle for Jewish emanciaption in Britain a Bill was introduced
in 1841 to enable Jews to be elected to Municipal office. The then Marguess
of Bute was an advocate of it and through his efforts it reched the second
reading in the House of Lords, although it was defeated later on.

Harold Pollins
Oxford
---

In Hyamson's "The Sephardim of England," he states that the Marquess of
Bute is a descendant of Pellegrin Treves and is either a direct or
collateral descendant of Rashi.

I have been trying to find information to confirm this but I can't find
anything.

Can anyone help?

Thank you.

Brooke Morris
bxzi@yahoo.com >>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Rashi/Treves/Bute Connection #general

HPOLLINS@...
 

There is an acocunt of the Pellegrin Treves family in Lucien Wolf's Essays
in Jewish History, (edited by Cecil Roth), published by the Jewish Historical
Society of England, 1934, pp. 147-181. This was first published in the Jewish
Chronicle in 1896.
He refers p. 147 to a story that the Treves family (of Italy) was descended
from Rashi, but 'no complete pedigree showing the descent of the Treves
family >from Rashi is in existence' although there are some interesting
coincidences (p. 148) which might suggest there is a connection. He concludes
that 'Only two links are requited to connect the present Baron Treves do
Bonfili, of Venice, with the family of Rashi...' (p. 180).
He shows p. 163 that a descendant of the original Pellegrin Treves (there
was more than one with that name) 'married a daughter of the late Lord Howard
of Glossop, sister of the Marchioness of Bute.' This is the only reference to
that family.
It appears that the connection of the Treves family and Rashi is unproven
and its connection with the Marquess of Bute is quite indirect.

During the struggle for Jewish emanciaption in Britain a Bill was introduced
in 1841 to enable Jews to be elected to Municipal office. The then Marguess
of Bute was an advocate of it and through his efforts it reched the second
reading in the House of Lords, although it was defeated later on.

Harold Pollins
Oxford
---

In Hyamson's "The Sephardim of England," he states that the Marquess of
Bute is a descendant of Pellegrin Treves and is either a direct or
collateral descendant of Rashi.

I have been trying to find information to confirm this but I can't find
anything.

Can anyone help?

Thank you.

Brooke Morris
bxzi@yahoo.com >>>


Isha and Izha are Kunuim for --? #general

hekenvin@...
 

Many years ago, I interviewed an elderly cousin who remembered that her uncle had
twins named (and this is spelled phonetically) Isha [or Eesha] and Izha {or Eezha].

These apparently were nicknames or kinuim. Does anyone have any idea their
actual names might have been?

With thanks,
Helene Kenvin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Isha and Izha are Kunuim for --? #general

hekenvin@...
 

Many years ago, I interviewed an elderly cousin who remembered that her uncle had
twins named (and this is spelled phonetically) Isha [or Eesha] and Izha {or Eezha].

These apparently were nicknames or kinuim. Does anyone have any idea their
actual names might have been?

With thanks,
Helene Kenvin


VM: Translation from Polish: 1834 Marriage record #general

TE <tome1111@...>
 

Attached you will find 4 parts of an 1834 Polish marriage record.
I would like some help translating them >from Polish to English.
Cities mentioned in the document are: Piotrkow, Lodz, Opoczno, Kaliz.


http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6644
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6645
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6646
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6647


Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA
(Reply to: tome1111@earthlink.net)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VM: Translation from Polish: 1834 Marriage record #general

TE <tome1111@...>
 

Attached you will find 4 parts of an 1834 Polish marriage record.
I would like some help translating them >from Polish to English.
Cities mentioned in the document are: Piotrkow, Lodz, Opoczno, Kaliz.


http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6644
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6645
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6646
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6647


Thank you,
Tom Erribe
CA
(Reply to: tome1111@earthlink.net)


Re: Castle Garden web site #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Genners,

I have to say that after reading Gary Mokotoff in the latest "Nu?
What's New?" (Vol 6, #11) about the Castle Garden web site, I went
and tried it. I had been looking for an Aaron GOODMAN who arrived in
NYC sometime between 1870 and 1874. A well-known fee-paying site
didn't list him, but when I searched on the Castle Garden site, not
only did I find an "Aron GUTTMANN" but that the CG site had four more
Guttmanns than the other site. Obviously it "pays" to check all sites!

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-London, England
Berkeley, California, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Castle Garden web site #general

jeremy frankel
 

Dear Genners,

I have to say that after reading Gary Mokotoff in the latest "Nu?
What's New?" (Vol 6, #11) about the Castle Garden web site, I went
and tried it. I had been looking for an Aaron GOODMAN who arrived in
NYC sometime between 1870 and 1874. A well-known fee-paying site
didn't list him, but when I searched on the Castle Garden site, not
only did I find an "Aron GUTTMANN" but that the CG site had four more
Guttmanns than the other site. Obviously it "pays" to check all sites!

Jeremy G Frankel
ex-London, England
Berkeley, California, USA


Re: Tashkent #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

When researching Tashkent and other Central Asian
locations, remember that there are two separate
communities in these places: the ancient Sephardic
community, and the more recent Ashkenazi community
which came at different times (war evacuations, etc.).
Synagogues are separate, and other divisions exist
between the two communities.

For those researching the Sephardic community, many
families moved to Moscow very early for various
reasons, particularly >from Bukhara, and other cities.
Therefore, a search among the Central Asian Sephardim
in Moscow is also useful if this is what you need.

In fact, following the revolution, a Bukharan rabbi
and his family (and extended family) was imported from
there to head the Sephardic synagogue which met in
rooms of the Choral Synagogue in Moscow.
Members of the family still live in Moscow where they
are in various businesses/professions, while others,
including the rabbi's son (now a great-grandfather),
have relocated to New York and Israel.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
President, JFRA Israel
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il

Subject: Tashkent
From: "Marilyn F" <mrl516@bellsouth.net>

I am looking for others who are studying family that
lived in Tashkent. Some were buried there. Please
contact me if you have information to share.
Thanks. Marilyn Feingold >>>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Tashkent #general

Schelly Talalay Dardashti
 

When researching Tashkent and other Central Asian
locations, remember that there are two separate
communities in these places: the ancient Sephardic
community, and the more recent Ashkenazi community
which came at different times (war evacuations, etc.).
Synagogues are separate, and other divisions exist
between the two communities.

For those researching the Sephardic community, many
families moved to Moscow very early for various
reasons, particularly >from Bukhara, and other cities.
Therefore, a search among the Central Asian Sephardim
in Moscow is also useful if this is what you need.

In fact, following the revolution, a Bukharan rabbi
and his family (and extended family) was imported from
there to head the Sephardic synagogue which met in
rooms of the Choral Synagogue in Moscow.
Members of the family still live in Moscow where they
are in various businesses/professions, while others,
including the rabbi's son (now a great-grandfather),
have relocated to New York and Israel.

Best wishes,
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
Tel Aviv
President, JFRA Israel
schelly@allrelative.net
schelly@genealogy.org.il

Subject: Tashkent
From: "Marilyn F" <mrl516@bellsouth.net>

I am looking for others who are studying family that
lived in Tashkent. Some were buried there. Please
contact me if you have information to share.
Thanks. Marilyn Feingold >>>


MOSES family #unitedkingdom

Lawrence Blum
 

Hi,
My grandfather, Joseph FARBMAN, left Brest (now in Belarus) for London
in the late 1890s
and stayed with a cousin(?). The cousin's name was Nathan MOSES.
According to the census
they lived in White Chapel. Does anyone have information about the MOSES
family?
Please reply Private. lblum1@tampabay.rr.com
Thank You
Lawrence Blum of Port Richey, Florida


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom MOSES family #unitedkingdom

Lawrence Blum
 

Hi,
My grandfather, Joseph FARBMAN, left Brest (now in Belarus) for London
in the late 1890s
and stayed with a cousin(?). The cousin's name was Nathan MOSES.
According to the census
they lived in White Chapel. Does anyone have information about the MOSES
family?
Please reply Private. lblum1@tampabay.rr.com
Thank You
Lawrence Blum of Port Richey, Florida


Publishing Genealogies - What's the point? #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

Dear JewishGen members,

This issue was covered very well and provided many
Points a researcher needs to be aware of. However,
encouraged by the replies that I received and reading
all the postings for this topic there seems to be at
least one major Point missing. The easiest way to
illustrate this is to depict in a very simple way the
steps one takes when their research is complete.

Taking the most *stringent* view >from this topic:

1) A researcher puts together a family tree.

2) The researcher contacts each living member on the
tree and lets them decide if they want their name
or deceased members of their immediate families
names on this list.

3) After complying with the members wishes, the
researcher sends a copy of the finalized family
tree to all the members and never publishes it in
any form. Since he is not publishing it, local laws
are of no concern.

So where does the problem lie? In many cases there
will be family members that this researcher never
located. I'm sure everyone knows all the reasons,
including destroyed or unavailable records, multiple
marriages, and the list goes on and on, including the
quality and amount of work that was put into the
research.

The Point is that the members that the researcher
never located may never find their families.

If the Family Tree was published, it would Help these
missing members, especially amateur researchers like
myself, to locate a few names that may form that
connection.

And after all, what is the Point of all, including
this discussion group if it doesn't Help you find your
family?

Sincerely,
Yehudah BenShlomo
U.S.A.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Publishing Genealogies - What's the point? #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

Dear JewishGen members,

This issue was covered very well and provided many
Points a researcher needs to be aware of. However,
encouraged by the replies that I received and reading
all the postings for this topic there seems to be at
least one major Point missing. The easiest way to
illustrate this is to depict in a very simple way the
steps one takes when their research is complete.

Taking the most *stringent* view >from this topic:

1) A researcher puts together a family tree.

2) The researcher contacts each living member on the
tree and lets them decide if they want their name
or deceased members of their immediate families
names on this list.

3) After complying with the members wishes, the
researcher sends a copy of the finalized family
tree to all the members and never publishes it in
any form. Since he is not publishing it, local laws
are of no concern.

So where does the problem lie? In many cases there
will be family members that this researcher never
located. I'm sure everyone knows all the reasons,
including destroyed or unavailable records, multiple
marriages, and the list goes on and on, including the
quality and amount of work that was put into the
research.

The Point is that the members that the researcher
never located may never find their families.

If the Family Tree was published, it would Help these
missing members, especially amateur researchers like
myself, to locate a few names that may form that
connection.

And after all, what is the Point of all, including
this discussion group if it doesn't Help you find your
family?

Sincerely,
Yehudah BenShlomo
U.S.A.


Polish medical journal- Pneumonologia Polska #general

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

I am looking for an old issue of a Polish medical journal that contains an
article of possible genealogical importance. If you have easy access to
past issues of this journal, Pneumonologia Polska, please contact me
privately.

Thanks very much and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Polish medical journal- Pneumonologia Polska #general

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

I am looking for an old issue of a Polish medical journal that contains an
article of possible genealogical importance. If you have easy access to
past issues of this journal, Pneumonologia Polska, please contact me
privately.

Thanks very much and best regards,

Logan Kleinwaks
kleinwaks@alumni.princeton.edu
near Washington, D.C.