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Fw: jcr-uk digest: July 21, 2005 #unitedkingdom

Nick Landau <N.Landau@...>
 

I have come across this leaflet entitled "RECORDS OF THE ANGLO-JEWISH
COMMUNITY AT LONDON METROPOLITAN ARCHIVES".

www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/706067F3-0DE6-417B-9B91-785551084010/0/LH_LMA_jewish.PDF

Nick Landau
London, UK


JCR-UK SIG #UnitedKingdom Fw: jcr-uk digest: July 21, 2005 #unitedkingdom

Nick Landau <N.Landau@...>
 

I have come across this leaflet entitled "RECORDS OF THE ANGLO-JEWISH
COMMUNITY AT LONDON METROPOLITAN ARCHIVES".

www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/706067F3-0DE6-417B-9B91-785551084010/0/LH_LMA_jewish.PDF

Nick Landau
London, UK


Re: List from Gura Humorului #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

ROM-SIG members should be aware that the list of former Jewish residents
of Gura Humorului, of Eli Schachar, is already available as a link on the
ROM-SIG Web site, and also in the ShtetLinks for that town.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG


Romania SIG #Romania Re: List from Gura Humorului #romania

Rosanne Leeson <rdleeson@...>
 

ROM-SIG members should be aware that the list of former Jewish residents
of Gura Humorului, of Eli Schachar, is already available as a link on the
ROM-SIG Web site, and also in the ShtetLinks for that town.

Rosanne Leeson
Co-Coordinator
ROM-SIG


Re: 1911 Canada Census: Montreal disricts? #general

bud484bg@...
 

The 1911 Canada Census is wonderful, except that there is no name
search, and the only information I have is that my Rosner family came
>from Romania after 1901 to reside in Montreal. I have randomly gone
through some of the Montreal pages but have not yet found any that are
Jewish districts. Could some one out there give me a clue? Each
district search requires a pdf download and searching through every
page for Montreal residents is time consuming.

I would really appreciate your help.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California

Researching: KAGAN/KAHAN: Dokszyce/Dolginov/Vileika
ZAPODNIK: Dokszyce/Dolgnov/Vileika/Kurenets
MINKOVSKY: Rozhev/Kiev/Israel TALALAYEVSKY:Mokhnachka/Kiev/
MARKEL:Lemberg/Vienna SEHR:Lemberg/Vienna/Israel
YANKOWITZ/JANKOWITZ:Romania/Neamtz/Galatz
ROSNER:Romania/Montreal/Toronto FREEDMAN: Poland/Lodz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:1911 Canada Census: Montreal disricts? #general

bud484bg@...
 

The 1911 Canada Census is wonderful, except that there is no name
search, and the only information I have is that my Rosner family came
>from Romania after 1901 to reside in Montreal. I have randomly gone
through some of the Montreal pages but have not yet found any that are
Jewish districts. Could some one out there give me a clue? Each
district search requires a pdf download and searching through every
page for Montreal residents is time consuming.

I would really appreciate your help.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California

Researching: KAGAN/KAHAN: Dokszyce/Dolginov/Vileika
ZAPODNIK: Dokszyce/Dolgnov/Vileika/Kurenets
MINKOVSKY: Rozhev/Kiev/Israel TALALAYEVSKY:Mokhnachka/Kiev/
MARKEL:Lemberg/Vienna SEHR:Lemberg/Vienna/Israel
YANKOWITZ/JANKOWITZ:Romania/Neamtz/Galatz
ROSNER:Romania/Montreal/Toronto FREEDMAN: Poland/Lodz


research POLLAK family #general

polyakp@...
 

Dear all,
I am asking the help: how to find the phone book of Kfar Saba, Israel
Research relatives POLLAK (POLAK) family -Viseu de Sus, Maramuresh, Romania;
Greenwald-Ashdod, Israel or USA.
Peter Polyak. Polyakp@samaramail.ru


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen research POLLAK family #general

polyakp@...
 

Dear all,
I am asking the help: how to find the phone book of Kfar Saba, Israel
Research relatives POLLAK (POLAK) family -Viseu de Sus, Maramuresh, Romania;
Greenwald-Ashdod, Israel or USA.
Peter Polyak. Polyakp@samaramail.ru


my grandfather Hermann ROSENGARTEN #general

robert <wrobert731@...>
 

I am trying to get any information about my grandfather Hermann ROSENGARTEN
his wife was Eve(Eva) Joske my grandmother their daughter Alice(my mother) was
born in Berlin on September the 5th, 1918.
He was living in Berlin and Munchen Germany around 1890 to 1935 he also
lived in Amsterdam, Holland and may have lived or visited Vienna Austria.

Robert essinger wachenheim
Dana Point,California USA


Italians races #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Interestingly Italians are divided up into what I have seen referred to as
races. In the North German Italian for instance. Italy apparently wasn't just a
mixing ground for various Jewish ethnic groups alone.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

As far as Italy is concerned there is a political party, the Northern
League, that wants to secede >from the rest of Italy. I believe that Italians
are still identified mainly >from the region where they live or originate.

Nick Landau
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen my grandfather Hermann ROSENGARTEN #general

robert <wrobert731@...>
 

I am trying to get any information about my grandfather Hermann ROSENGARTEN
his wife was Eve(Eva) Joske my grandmother their daughter Alice(my mother) was
born in Berlin on September the 5th, 1918.
He was living in Berlin and Munchen Germany around 1890 to 1935 he also
lived in Amsterdam, Holland and may have lived or visited Vienna Austria.

Robert essinger wachenheim
Dana Point,California USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Italians races #general

Yisrael Asper
 

Interestingly Italians are divided up into what I have seen referred to as
races. In the North German Italian for instance. Italy apparently wasn't just a
mixing ground for various Jewish ethnic groups alone.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA

As far as Italy is concerned there is a political party, the Northern
League, that wants to secede >from the rest of Italy. I believe that Italians
are still identified mainly >from the region where they live or originate.

Nick Landau
London, UK


Re: Jews in England: Jewish star with a cross inside #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/22/2005 9:12:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
llepore@comcast.net writes:

< I didn't know about them, so I found this site - one
among many after searching at google for messianic.

< This page has a brief definition of Messianic religious groups -
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsmessianic2.htm?ter
ms=messianic
[or http://tinyurl.com/c85w3 -- Mod.]

< Apparently there was a Messianic movement in Europe in the 1600's
_http://rabbiwein.com/column-209.html_ (http://rabbiwein.com/column-209.html)
>

==There have been some 1930 years of attempts to convince Jews to accept
Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah. In the early decades, it was suggested by
Christian missionaries that Jews could continue with their religious practices
while accepting Christian beliefs. In later centuries, such acts as
circumcision, even lighting candles on Friday evenings, might expose a supposed
Jewish convert to Christianity to dispossession, torture, or death at the stake.

==The idea that Jews be permitted after baptism to identify with their
people or their historical religious practices did not really return before the
19th century--and even then in very restricted areas of society and geography.

==In 1731, Jews first settled in Swansea, Wales, and they organized a
community in 1768. The Cardiff community was established in 1840. I doubt very
much that the Welsh were interested in converting Welsh Jews, much less in
establishing messianic congregations.

==I think it's highly unlikely that the six-pointed star, so popular a
symbol in so many cultures and religions, had any Jewish connections in an old,
old cemetery in the wilds of Wales.

==There was a vintner named Hoshea in Second Temple era Judea who sealed his
wine jugs with swastikas embellishing his name. In the 2nd-3rd century
synagogue at Kfar Nahum (Capernaum), near the point where the Jordan flows into
the Sea of Galilee, a magen david and a swastika were placed side by side. I
doubt we can say either of these is related to Nazism. If you look hard enough,
I'm sure you'll find some 18th or 19th century Jewish relic decorated with a
row of swastikas--but that is no indicator that these Jews were anti-semites.

In my opinion, the likelihood that the juxtaposition of magen David and
cross in an ancient Welsh cemetery has a combined Judeo-Christian significance,
is very, very close to zero.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Jews in England: Jewish star with a cross inside #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:40:24 UTC, avrum223@verizon.net (Avrum Lapin)
opined:

At 1:00 AM -0500 7/21/05, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
There is a large Mogen David stained window on a large church (Santa
Crocce) in Florence. The best explanation is that at the time the
church was designed "looks" were more important than being PC and the
architect went for what looked good (You can see a picture on the
cover of Rick Steve's book Italy 2005)
No, the reason for the appearance of the Magen David is not aesthetic,
nor has it anything to do with the absence of "PC". Its representation
in stained glass in Florence is not at all unusual. For example, it
occurs several times on the mosaic dome of the chapel of the Catholic
University of America, in Washington. Catholics will tell you that it
is the symbol of Mary, mother of Jesus (never mind that it became a
Jewish symbol only in the medieval era); it is therefore a
manifestation of Christian triumphalism, of which there are many
others. The Christian cross within the Magen David simply emphasizes
the basic message.

Travellers to Lomza can see another manifestation in one on the
churches near the Stary Rynek (the old market square), where the
tetragrammaton (four-letter name of God) appears on the wall in very
large Hebrew characters. Yet another one is very prominent in Prague,
on the Karlovy Most (Charles Bridge), where there is a large cross
bearing a life-size crucified Jesus, above which is the Hebrew
inscription "Holy. Holy, Holy is the Lord God of Armies" (sic: the
correct translation); this was erected there for the express purpose
of demonstrating to the Jewish population the triumph of Christianiy
over Judaism.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews in England: Jewish star with a cross inside #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 7/22/2005 9:12:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
llepore@comcast.net writes:

< I didn't know about them, so I found this site - one
among many after searching at google for messianic.

< This page has a brief definition of Messianic religious groups -
http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsmessianic2.htm?ter
ms=messianic
[or http://tinyurl.com/c85w3 -- Mod.]

< Apparently there was a Messianic movement in Europe in the 1600's
_http://rabbiwein.com/column-209.html_ (http://rabbiwein.com/column-209.html)
>

==There have been some 1930 years of attempts to convince Jews to accept
Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah. In the early decades, it was suggested by
Christian missionaries that Jews could continue with their religious practices
while accepting Christian beliefs. In later centuries, such acts as
circumcision, even lighting candles on Friday evenings, might expose a supposed
Jewish convert to Christianity to dispossession, torture, or death at the stake.

==The idea that Jews be permitted after baptism to identify with their
people or their historical religious practices did not really return before the
19th century--and even then in very restricted areas of society and geography.

==In 1731, Jews first settled in Swansea, Wales, and they organized a
community in 1768. The Cardiff community was established in 1840. I doubt very
much that the Welsh were interested in converting Welsh Jews, much less in
establishing messianic congregations.

==I think it's highly unlikely that the six-pointed star, so popular a
symbol in so many cultures and religions, had any Jewish connections in an old,
old cemetery in the wilds of Wales.

==There was a vintner named Hoshea in Second Temple era Judea who sealed his
wine jugs with swastikas embellishing his name. In the 2nd-3rd century
synagogue at Kfar Nahum (Capernaum), near the point where the Jordan flows into
the Sea of Galilee, a magen david and a swastika were placed side by side. I
doubt we can say either of these is related to Nazism. If you look hard enough,
I'm sure you'll find some 18th or 19th century Jewish relic decorated with a
row of swastikas--but that is no indicator that these Jews were anti-semites.

In my opinion, the likelihood that the juxtaposition of magen David and
cross in an ancient Welsh cemetery has a combined Judeo-Christian significance,
is very, very close to zero.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jews in England: Jewish star with a cross inside #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>
 

On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 03:40:24 UTC, avrum223@verizon.net (Avrum Lapin)
opined:

At 1:00 AM -0500 7/21/05, JewishGen Discussion Group digest wrote:
There is a large Mogen David stained window on a large church (Santa
Crocce) in Florence. The best explanation is that at the time the
church was designed "looks" were more important than being PC and the
architect went for what looked good (You can see a picture on the
cover of Rick Steve's book Italy 2005)
No, the reason for the appearance of the Magen David is not aesthetic,
nor has it anything to do with the absence of "PC". Its representation
in stained glass in Florence is not at all unusual. For example, it
occurs several times on the mosaic dome of the chapel of the Catholic
University of America, in Washington. Catholics will tell you that it
is the symbol of Mary, mother of Jesus (never mind that it became a
Jewish symbol only in the medieval era); it is therefore a
manifestation of Christian triumphalism, of which there are many
others. The Christian cross within the Magen David simply emphasizes
the basic message.

Travellers to Lomza can see another manifestation in one on the
churches near the Stary Rynek (the old market square), where the
tetragrammaton (four-letter name of God) appears on the wall in very
large Hebrew characters. Yet another one is very prominent in Prague,
on the Karlovy Most (Charles Bridge), where there is a large cross
bearing a life-size crucified Jesus, above which is the Hebrew
inscription "Holy. Holy, Holy is the Lord God of Armies" (sic: the
correct translation); this was erected there for the express purpose
of demonstrating to the Jewish population the triumph of Christianiy
over Judaism.

--
Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

Searching:
NEACHOWICZ/NOACHOWICZ, NEJMAN/NAJMAN, SURALSKI: >from Lomza Gubernia
ISMACH: >from Lomza Gubernia, Galicia, and Ukraina
HERTANU, ABRAMOVICI, LAUER: >from Dorohoi District, Romania
GRISARU, VATARU: >from Iasi, Dorohoi, and Mileanca, Romania

See my interactive family tree (requires Java 1.1.6 or better). the
URL is: http://www.hashkedim.com

For reasons connected with anti-spam/junk security, the return address is
not valid. To communicate with me, please visit my website (see the URL
above -- no Java required for this purpose) and fill in the email form
there.


Searching: LEAF nee LIEBERMAN/LIFSCHITZ/LOEW/LEV Original Shtetls and/or Gubernias #lithuania

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

In an effort to determine the exact origin shtetl and/or gubernia of our
LEAF family, listed below are the given names within the descendants of
two brothers Joseph Osher LEAF nee LIFSCHITZ and Shimshon LEAF nee
LIEBERMAN/LOEW (pronounced LEV).

Just recently 25 year old information has been sent to us that the
family could have been >from Latvia. A member OBM of the Joseph Osher LEAF
family had memory of being told her father was originally >from Odessa,
Ukraine.

According to the Ellis Island Data Base, via www.stevemorse.org, the
Shimshon LEAF family came >from Swislowitz, Russia (now Swisloch in
Belarus.)

This information is confusing since there are three different possible
locations of where our family began.

Joseph Osher LIFSCHITZ (as we believe) was married to Basha JASELOFF

Descendants' given names:

Sampson (Shmuel)
Sarah (Sorah -- maybe)
Harry Aaron (Hershel Aharon)
Anna (Channah)

Shimshon LIEBERMAN/LOEW was married to Alter Neome AIN

Descendants' given names:
Samuel Isaiah (Shmuel Yishaiah)
Max (Mendel)
Morris (Moshe)

If anyone has these names on their family tree, I would greatly
appreciate hearing >from you, privately.

Rachelle LEAF Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching: Family surnames included in text of post.


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Searching: LEAF nee LIEBERMAN/LIFSCHITZ/LOEW/LEV Original Shtetls and/or Gubernias #lithuania

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

In an effort to determine the exact origin shtetl and/or gubernia of our
LEAF family, listed below are the given names within the descendants of
two brothers Joseph Osher LEAF nee LIFSCHITZ and Shimshon LEAF nee
LIEBERMAN/LOEW (pronounced LEV).

Just recently 25 year old information has been sent to us that the
family could have been >from Latvia. A member OBM of the Joseph Osher LEAF
family had memory of being told her father was originally >from Odessa,
Ukraine.

According to the Ellis Island Data Base, via www.stevemorse.org, the
Shimshon LEAF family came >from Swislowitz, Russia (now Swisloch in
Belarus.)

This information is confusing since there are three different possible
locations of where our family began.

Joseph Osher LIFSCHITZ (as we believe) was married to Basha JASELOFF

Descendants' given names:

Sampson (Shmuel)
Sarah (Sorah -- maybe)
Harry Aaron (Hershel Aharon)
Anna (Channah)

Shimshon LIEBERMAN/LOEW was married to Alter Neome AIN

Descendants' given names:
Samuel Isaiah (Shmuel Yishaiah)
Max (Mendel)
Morris (Moshe)

If anyone has these names on their family tree, I would greatly
appreciate hearing >from you, privately.

Rachelle LEAF Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching: Family surnames included in text of post.


Search info on Chevra Aiz Chaim Mazika (Machsikey) Hurav. #lithuania

Gerry Powers Volper <gerryadel@...>
 

This week I journeyed to Mount Zion Cemetery , Maspeth, NY (Queens) to
visit the graves of my grandparents Rivka and Simon Gitlin. They were
buried under the auspices of a Society called :
Chevra Aiz Chaim Mazika (Machsikey) Hurav.

Has anyone any knowledge of this society and where it might have
originated. I am hoping this will give me some info of their place of
origin -- a specific town and country.

Thanks for your help.

Geraldine Powers
Beachwood, Ohio


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Search info on Chevra Aiz Chaim Mazika (Machsikey) Hurav. #lithuania

Gerry Powers Volper <gerryadel@...>
 

This week I journeyed to Mount Zion Cemetery , Maspeth, NY (Queens) to
visit the graves of my grandparents Rivka and Simon Gitlin. They were
buried under the auspices of a Society called :
Chevra Aiz Chaim Mazika (Machsikey) Hurav.

Has anyone any knowledge of this society and where it might have
originated. I am hoping this will give me some info of their place of
origin -- a specific town and country.

Thanks for your help.

Geraldine Powers
Beachwood, Ohio