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Jewish Communities #galicia

John Illingworth <illingw@...>
 

Hello Friends
Please could someone explain the difference between a shtetl and a kehilah.
Is it that one was formally organised with a civic structure and the other
was only a locality. Or was one exclusively Jewish and the other not so. If
this has been aired recently please could you point me to the discussion or
references.

Many thanks

John Illingworth (Solihull, England) - with Bolshovsty ancestry.


Ber of Bolechow - map? #galicia

Karin Wandrei <kwandrei@...>
 

I am researching Jewish life in the Carpathians and have been reading a
great book, Ber of Bolechow. This book keeps referring to a map of Ber's
travels >from Bolechow (south of Lvov) to Hungary through the Carpathians but
there is no map in the book. Does anyone have this map?

Karin Wandrei
Willits, CA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Jewish Communities #galicia

John Illingworth <illingw@...>
 

Hello Friends
Please could someone explain the difference between a shtetl and a kehilah.
Is it that one was formally organised with a civic structure and the other
was only a locality. Or was one exclusively Jewish and the other not so. If
this has been aired recently please could you point me to the discussion or
references.

Many thanks

John Illingworth (Solihull, England) - with Bolshovsty ancestry.


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Ber of Bolechow - map? #galicia

Karin Wandrei <kwandrei@...>
 

I am researching Jewish life in the Carpathians and have been reading a
great book, Ber of Bolechow. This book keeps referring to a map of Ber's
travels >from Bolechow (south of Lvov) to Hungary through the Carpathians but
there is no map in the book. Does anyone have this map?

Karin Wandrei
Willits, CA


Re: Cadastral Survey #galicia

Peter Jassem <pjassem@...>
 

Stephanie, you must be referring to:
http://www.shoreshim.org/SearchDb.asp
While one can research surnames and retrieve some information, further
details however (and unfortunately so) seem to be blocked unless one becomes
a (paid) member.

Jewishgen site has a mention of Krakow cadastral records as well, but not a
database.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/krakow/kra_kataster.htm

Peter Jassem
Toronto, ON

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie Weiner [mailto:laguna@sciti.com]
Sent: August 7, 2005 9:55 AM
To: Gesher Galicia SIG
Subject: [galicia] Cadastral Survey

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm not certain if the terms "Cadastral" and "Kataster" are the same. If
they are, then the fee-based Krakow website has generated a "Kataster
Database" for documents in the Krakow Archives.

Data available online includes: Archives Reference Number, Document
Number, Status, First Name and Surname, Maiden Name, Birth Date, Birth
Place, Marriage Date and Place, Profession, Address, and Comments. The
original document may contain additional information and must be
purchased through the Polish group that is onsite.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Cadastral Survey #galicia

Peter Jassem <pjassem@...>
 

Stephanie, you must be referring to:
http://www.shoreshim.org/SearchDb.asp
While one can research surnames and retrieve some information, further
details however (and unfortunately so) seem to be blocked unless one becomes
a (paid) member.

Jewishgen site has a mention of Krakow cadastral records as well, but not a
database.
http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/krakow/kra_kataster.htm

Peter Jassem
Toronto, ON

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephanie Weiner [mailto:laguna@sciti.com]
Sent: August 7, 2005 9:55 AM
To: Gesher Galicia SIG
Subject: [galicia] Cadastral Survey

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm not certain if the terms "Cadastral" and "Kataster" are the same. If
they are, then the fee-based Krakow website has generated a "Kataster
Database" for documents in the Krakow Archives.

Data available online includes: Archives Reference Number, Document
Number, Status, First Name and Surname, Maiden Name, Birth Date, Birth
Place, Marriage Date and Place, Profession, Address, and Comments. The
original document may contain additional information and must be
purchased through the Polish group that is onsite.

Stephanie Weiner
San Diego, CA


Members of the Radoszyce Dynasty [was: Radoszyce] #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.08.04, Krystyna Duszniak" <losthistories@optusnet.com.au>
enquired:

My client's ancestors come >from Radoszyce in Poland, and we have
traced the family tree to show that my client's family, the
SZTAJNSZNAJDERs, married into the FINKLER family. The FINKLERs were,
apparently, prominent members of the Radoszyce Dynasty whose last
rabbi perished in the Holocaust. I do not know much about this
rabbinical family apart >from what is available on the internet and
am wondering if anyone would know more about them, their writings,
teachings, and so on.
Hello Krystina

This enquiry probably relates to the descendants of the Hassidic
Rebbe, R' Yisochor Ber of Radoszyce (1725 - 1843). He was the pupil
of numerous Polish and Galician Hassidic leaders, including the
Chozeh of Lublin and the Maggid of Kosnice. In his younger days
Rabbi Y.B. acted as a badchan (entertainer and poetaster) at
weddings; in later life his fame as a miracle worker, particularly
in curing the sick, was outstanding.

He had a son, R' Yisroel Yitzchok (1810 - 1858) and three
sons-in-law, who became hassidic Rebbbes in Poland.

Descendant Rebbes who perished in the Nazi war include:

R Chaim Usher (d. in Kielce 1941 and was buried)

R' Yitzchok Shmuel Elya of Pietrokow (murdered)

R Yosef Boruch (murdered in Lodz)

R' Binyomin of Radoszyce (murdered)

R' Pinchos Yisochor of Sosnowice (murdered on the way to Cracow)

R' Yitzchok of Pinchov (murdered)

R' Noson Yakov Perl of Kinck (died & buried, Autumn 1941)

R' Kalmisch of Radoszyce (murdered with the whole Community).

I do not have the individual surnames, but most were either BRAUN or
WINKLER

As we approach Tisha B'Av (incidentally the Yahrzeit of the above
mentioned Chozeh of Lublin) period of mourning let us remember how
much our nation suffered.

Leslie Reich


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Members of the Radoszyce Dynasty [was: Radoszyce] #rabbinic

Mr L Reich <lreich@...>
 

On 2005.08.04, Krystyna Duszniak" <losthistories@optusnet.com.au>
enquired:

My client's ancestors come >from Radoszyce in Poland, and we have
traced the family tree to show that my client's family, the
SZTAJNSZNAJDERs, married into the FINKLER family. The FINKLERs were,
apparently, prominent members of the Radoszyce Dynasty whose last
rabbi perished in the Holocaust. I do not know much about this
rabbinical family apart >from what is available on the internet and
am wondering if anyone would know more about them, their writings,
teachings, and so on.
Hello Krystina

This enquiry probably relates to the descendants of the Hassidic
Rebbe, R' Yisochor Ber of Radoszyce (1725 - 1843). He was the pupil
of numerous Polish and Galician Hassidic leaders, including the
Chozeh of Lublin and the Maggid of Kosnice. In his younger days
Rabbi Y.B. acted as a badchan (entertainer and poetaster) at
weddings; in later life his fame as a miracle worker, particularly
in curing the sick, was outstanding.

He had a son, R' Yisroel Yitzchok (1810 - 1858) and three
sons-in-law, who became hassidic Rebbbes in Poland.

Descendant Rebbes who perished in the Nazi war include:

R Chaim Usher (d. in Kielce 1941 and was buried)

R' Yitzchok Shmuel Elya of Pietrokow (murdered)

R Yosef Boruch (murdered in Lodz)

R' Binyomin of Radoszyce (murdered)

R' Pinchos Yisochor of Sosnowice (murdered on the way to Cracow)

R' Yitzchok of Pinchov (murdered)

R' Noson Yakov Perl of Kinck (died & buried, Autumn 1941)

R' Kalmisch of Radoszyce (murdered with the whole Community).

I do not have the individual surnames, but most were either BRAUN or
WINKLER

As we approach Tisha B'Av (incidentally the Yahrzeit of the above
mentioned Chozeh of Lublin) period of mourning let us remember how
much our nation suffered.

Leslie Reich


Re: Obtaining a match 7+ generations ago #dna

egrdn@...
 

On 2005.08.07, Donn Devine <DonnDevine@aol.com> wrote:

A one-step difference among 37 markers would push the probability
range back to 12 generations."
According to one testing company, a 35/37 match has a 72.19%
probability of sharing a common ancestor within the last 200 years.

In a DNA project I am involved with, we have known second cousins who
match only 35/37. On the other hand, we have fourth cousins who match
37/37.

Eleanor Gordon
Lafayette, CA


DNA Research #DNA Re: Obtaining a match 7+ generations ago #dna

egrdn@...
 

On 2005.08.07, Donn Devine <DonnDevine@aol.com> wrote:

A one-step difference among 37 markers would push the probability
range back to 12 generations."
According to one testing company, a 35/37 match has a 72.19%
probability of sharing a common ancestor within the last 200 years.

In a DNA project I am involved with, we have known second cousins who
match only 35/37. On the other hand, we have fourth cousins who match
37/37.

Eleanor Gordon
Lafayette, CA


Re: Help Finding Burial Places #general

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Michael Salzbank is seeking the burial place of several distant relations
who died in the 1920s/30s, probably in New York City.

There is a very simple, albeit not inexpensive solution to his problem.

Go to the NYC Death Index at italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm. All the relations
are listed, except Aaron Frimmerman (who probably died after 1936).

Order the death certificates (instructions on the italiangen.org site),
which include the place of burial (or cremation). Note that sometimes that
information is on page 2 of the certificate, so be sure to request both
pages when ordering.

Good luck in your research!
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia


Re: Hebrew Tombstone Translation Request #general

Janice Sellers <janice@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

I have received several responses with translation of the Hebrew >from my
great-grandfather's tombstone. Thank you all for our help.

Janice

At 9:41 AM -0700 8/8/05, Janice Sellers wrote:

I would appreciate any help in translating the Hebrew on my
great-grandfather's tombstone. A photo is available at:

http://publications.seismosoc.org/~janice/JoeGordon.tiff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help Finding Burial Places #general

m leonards <m_leonards@...>
 

Michael Salzbank is seeking the burial place of several distant relations
who died in the 1920s/30s, probably in New York City.

There is a very simple, albeit not inexpensive solution to his problem.

Go to the NYC Death Index at italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm. All the relations
are listed, except Aaron Frimmerman (who probably died after 1936).

Order the death certificates (instructions on the italiangen.org site),
which include the place of burial (or cremation). Note that sometimes that
information is on page 2 of the certificate, so be sure to request both
pages when ordering.

Good luck in your research!
Monica Leonards
suburban Philadelphia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew Tombstone Translation Request #general

Janice Sellers <janice@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

I have received several responses with translation of the Hebrew >from my
great-grandfather's tombstone. Thank you all for our help.

Janice

At 9:41 AM -0700 8/8/05, Janice Sellers wrote:

I would appreciate any help in translating the Hebrew on my
great-grandfather's tombstone. A photo is available at:

http://publications.seismosoc.org/~janice/JoeGordon.tiff


Re: Rude Relply from relative #general

Yisrael Asper
 

He's the son of your first cousin. Include him if you wish. Normally it would
look strange to others not to include him.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA


Re: Where is Kadon, Russia #general

Harvey <harvey@...>
 

" Where is Kadon, Russia?"

I reckon Tom Smith refers to Kedainiai (Keidan) in Lithuania and Vandziogala
(also Lithuania).

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN

- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis,
Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rude Relply from relative #general

Yisrael Asper
 

He's the son of your first cousin. Include him if you wish. Normally it would
look strange to others not to include him.
Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is Kadon, Russia #general

Harvey <harvey@...>
 

" Where is Kadon, Russia?"

I reckon Tom Smith refers to Kedainiai (Keidan) in Lithuania and Vandziogala
(also Lithuania).

Harvey L Kaplan
Glasgow, Scotland

KAPLAN,FAYN,FEIN,FINE,BARSD,GRADMAN

- Ariogala, Josvainiai, Kedainiai, Krakes, Seta, Veliuona, Grinkiskis,
Lithuania


Re: Rude Reply from relative #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

After about five years conducting genealogical research and making a variety
of "cold calls" (or sending "cold e-mails") to potential relatives...I've
also received responses that run the gamut >from delightfully surprising to
incredibly hostile.

Some people who don't know me >from Adam have invited me over to their homes
based on only a few words of mine which theorized a family connection, and
others, to whom I know--positively--that I am related, are hesitant and
circumspect in their cooperation.

In the case of your cousin's son, it sounds like you are dealing with either
a paranoid personality or someone with family/relationship issues that you
are not privy to. He could also be going through a difficult time in his
life that affects his behavior. Nevertheless, courtesy doesn't cost
anything, and even if he had strong feelings about retaining his privacy, he
certainly could have been nicer about explaining his position to
you--especially since you once gave him a bar mitzvah gift!

Since you talk to his mother frequently, she would be the one to ask about
his rude behavior. She might be able to shed light on his response, or act
as an intermediary in dealing with his inclusion on the family tree.

The unpredictability of how we're received as we seek to connect to missing
(or lost and then found) relatives is what makes genealogical research
challenging, but also fun. Take it with a grain of salt, and continue on
undaunted.

Maybe someday he'll see the light--perhaps when his children are asked to
make a family tree for a school project and will come calling.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Rude Reply from relative #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

After about five years conducting genealogical research and making a variety
of "cold calls" (or sending "cold e-mails") to potential relatives...I've
also received responses that run the gamut >from delightfully surprising to
incredibly hostile.

Some people who don't know me >from Adam have invited me over to their homes
based on only a few words of mine which theorized a family connection, and
others, to whom I know--positively--that I am related, are hesitant and
circumspect in their cooperation.

In the case of your cousin's son, it sounds like you are dealing with either
a paranoid personality or someone with family/relationship issues that you
are not privy to. He could also be going through a difficult time in his
life that affects his behavior. Nevertheless, courtesy doesn't cost
anything, and even if he had strong feelings about retaining his privacy, he
certainly could have been nicer about explaining his position to
you--especially since you once gave him a bar mitzvah gift!

Since you talk to his mother frequently, she would be the one to ask about
his rude behavior. She might be able to shed light on his response, or act
as an intermediary in dealing with his inclusion on the family tree.

The unpredictability of how we're received as we seek to connect to missing
(or lost and then found) relatives is what makes genealogical research
challenging, but also fun. Take it with a grain of salt, and continue on
undaunted.

Maybe someday he'll see the light--perhaps when his children are asked to
make a family tree for a school project and will come calling.

Pamela Weisberger
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com