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Fleischhauer and Czech National Library #austria-czech

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Hi all,

Of course I should have thought of Fleisch hacker - it is clear now. But
then I do not know German and could not make the bridge >from Hauer to
Hacker.

As for the National Library in Prague. I did not know what I wanted in
advance, so I did not face the problem of requesting in advance.

It was rather straightforward to get a readers card, the paperwork is just
your name and a local address (your hotel). The fees are not very much
either.

There are three catalogues, two in files, the old fashioned way. They are
for different periods of time and are by author and subject, I believe.
The third is for more modern books and that is arranged on line.
It is possible to find English speaking help, but one must be patient.

The reference reading area is open, but most everything, naturally enough,
is in Czech. Bring a digital camera and photo what you need so you can
translate it later.

There is an excellent Jewish History Library near the old Synagogue.
They are very helpful.

There is also a City Archive Library where they have a few copies of the
Prague City Directories >from the late 19th and early 20th Century.

Peter Bakos
Paris


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fleischhauer and Czech National Library #austria-czech

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Hi all,

Of course I should have thought of Fleisch hacker - it is clear now. But
then I do not know German and could not make the bridge >from Hauer to
Hacker.

As for the National Library in Prague. I did not know what I wanted in
advance, so I did not face the problem of requesting in advance.

It was rather straightforward to get a readers card, the paperwork is just
your name and a local address (your hotel). The fees are not very much
either.

There are three catalogues, two in files, the old fashioned way. They are
for different periods of time and are by author and subject, I believe.
The third is for more modern books and that is arranged on line.
It is possible to find English speaking help, but one must be patient.

The reference reading area is open, but most everything, naturally enough,
is in Czech. Bring a digital camera and photo what you need so you can
translate it later.

There is an excellent Jewish History Library near the old Synagogue.
They are very helpful.

There is also a City Archive Library where they have a few copies of the
Prague City Directories >from the late 19th and early 20th Century.

Peter Bakos
Paris


Fleischhauer #austria-czech

Traude Triebel
 

Good morning

Fleischhauer -austrian word- butcher in german, butcher - Metzger.
There is a different Austrian, german
If you cut,tusk the meat, cotelett, you beat, If you make Wiener
Schnitzel you beat before the Schnitzel
Go to an Austrian restaurant and order a Wiener Schnitzel and ask how
they prepared the Schnitzel. If they don't beat the Schnitzel,
leave the restaurant as soon as possible and try another restaurant

Traude Triebel
A2700 Wiener Neustadt
email: traude.triebel@inode.at


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fleischhauer #austria-czech

Traude Triebel
 

Good morning

Fleischhauer -austrian word- butcher in german, butcher - Metzger.
There is a different Austrian, german
If you cut,tusk the meat, cotelett, you beat, If you make Wiener
Schnitzel you beat before the Schnitzel
Go to an Austrian restaurant and order a Wiener Schnitzel and ask how
they prepared the Schnitzel. If they don't beat the Schnitzel,
leave the restaurant as soon as possible and try another restaurant

Traude Triebel
A2700 Wiener Neustadt
email: traude.triebel@inode.at


Re: New York City Naturalizations Pre 1906 #usa

Jack B. Lang <soldier@...>
 

Hi Jerry,
One can order Naturalization records >from 1792-1906 >from National Archives
& Records Administration , Northeast Region 201 Varick Street NY NY 10014-4811

http://www.nara.gov

Apparently they hold Photographic copies of court records.Mine came >from the
Superior Court of New York City. They charged me $10 but it was some time ago
and the price may have gone up.

Jack B. Lang Hot House ,N.C. soldier@dnet .net

Saturday, August 06, 2005

Can someone please tell me where I can order naturalization records >from New
York County pre-1906 (1892)? Is there a form on-line that I can access?
Every address and online form that I've found is for 1907 and beyond.
Jerry Zeisler Leesburg, Virginia <jzeisler@email.com>


Early American SIG #USA Re: New York City Naturalizations Pre 1906 #usa

Jack B. Lang <soldier@...>
 

Hi Jerry,
One can order Naturalization records >from 1792-1906 >from National Archives
& Records Administration , Northeast Region 201 Varick Street NY NY 10014-4811

http://www.nara.gov

Apparently they hold Photographic copies of court records.Mine came >from the
Superior Court of New York City. They charged me $10 but it was some time ago
and the price may have gone up.

Jack B. Lang Hot House ,N.C. soldier@dnet .net

Saturday, August 06, 2005

Can someone please tell me where I can order naturalization records >from New
York County pre-1906 (1892)? Is there a form on-line that I can access?
Every address and online form that I've found is for 1907 and beyond.
Jerry Zeisler Leesburg, Virginia <jzeisler@email.com>


Re: New York City Naturalizations Pre 1906 #usa

Joshua Levy <joshualevy@...>
 

When ever you have a naturalization or immigration question
for the US, visit the "wee-monster" pages. For NYC look here:
http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/newyork.html
more generally, here:
http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/ei.html

Joshua Joshua Levy <joshualevy@yahoo.com>

--- Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@email.com> wrote:

Can someone please tell me where I can order naturalization records
from New > York County pre-1906 (1892)? Is there a form on-line that I can
access? > Every address and online form that I've found is for 1907 and beyond.


Early American SIG #USA Re: New York City Naturalizations Pre 1906 #usa

Joshua Levy <joshualevy@...>
 

When ever you have a naturalization or immigration question
for the US, visit the "wee-monster" pages. For NYC look here:
http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/newyork.html
more generally, here:
http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/ei.html

Joshua Joshua Levy <joshualevy@yahoo.com>

--- Jerry Zeisler <jzeisler@email.com> wrote:

Can someone please tell me where I can order naturalization records
from New > York County pre-1906 (1892)? Is there a form on-line that I can
access? > Every address and online form that I've found is for 1907 and beyond.


Application to Naturalize #usa

M. Faber <mfaber@...>
 

I am finally making headway with my KALVRISKY family but need help once
again.
I found my Great Grandfather's Record of Declaration (in County civil
minutes) along with the civil minutes of his naturalization in Bastrop
Texas, dated 9/1/1891 & 10/20/1891. What I can't find, is his arrival in
the US, per his record of declaration, 5/15/1882 in NY. I've searched EIDB
& other on-line ship lists with no luck. Any other suggestions would be
greatly appreciated.

My 2nd question related to my KALVRISKY family is why did he arrive in NY
and settle in Texas? What made him make that long trip if he was possibly
the first of the family to settle in the US? I'm hoping finding his ship
manifest will help. Is there also any other information I should be looking
for to unravel the mystery?

Thanks in advance for any advice or help,

Monica M. Faber mfaber@texoma.net Bells, TX


Early American SIG #USA Application to Naturalize #usa

M. Faber <mfaber@...>
 

I am finally making headway with my KALVRISKY family but need help once
again.
I found my Great Grandfather's Record of Declaration (in County civil
minutes) along with the civil minutes of his naturalization in Bastrop
Texas, dated 9/1/1891 & 10/20/1891. What I can't find, is his arrival in
the US, per his record of declaration, 5/15/1882 in NY. I've searched EIDB
& other on-line ship lists with no luck. Any other suggestions would be
greatly appreciated.

My 2nd question related to my KALVRISKY family is why did he arrive in NY
and settle in Texas? What made him make that long trip if he was possibly
the first of the family to settle in the US? I'm hoping finding his ship
manifest will help. Is there also any other information I should be looking
for to unravel the mystery?

Thanks in advance for any advice or help,

Monica M. Faber mfaber@texoma.net Bells, TX


Re: Rude Reply from relative #general

Rob Halpern
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

I find it odd and even a bit disturbing no one suggested that the writer
simply respect her cousin's wishes. We have no "right" to this info and
those who don't want to play with us are not "bad" or "paranoid" or anything
but going about their business. For whatever reasons, this person does not
want to participate. Why not simply list him this way: "Son (requested
privacy)" or something similar. He doesn't want to be in your book.

Let's face it, sometimes we meet delightful new friends/relatives and
sometimes we hit a wall. But we do this because we like to and truth be
told, in some ways we exploit our informers for our own ends. Let's not get
moralistic about it. Maybe this attitude is contributing to the resistance
we sometimes meet. Be gracious and only play with those who wish to play
with you.

Rob Halpern


Thanks re. ViewMate 6604, 6605, 6612 #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

I have now received answers to my question about residences quoted in
these three records - and do not need more responses.

Thanks.

Kirsten Gradel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rude Reply from relative #general

Rob Halpern
 

Dear Fellow Genners,

I find it odd and even a bit disturbing no one suggested that the writer
simply respect her cousin's wishes. We have no "right" to this info and
those who don't want to play with us are not "bad" or "paranoid" or anything
but going about their business. For whatever reasons, this person does not
want to participate. Why not simply list him this way: "Son (requested
privacy)" or something similar. He doesn't want to be in your book.

Let's face it, sometimes we meet delightful new friends/relatives and
sometimes we hit a wall. But we do this because we like to and truth be
told, in some ways we exploit our informers for our own ends. Let's not get
moralistic about it. Maybe this attitude is contributing to the resistance
we sometimes meet. Be gracious and only play with those who wish to play
with you.

Rob Halpern


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks re. ViewMate 6604, 6605, 6612 #general

Kirsten Gradel <kmgradel@...>
 

I have now received answers to my question about residences quoted in
these three records - and do not need more responses.

Thanks.

Kirsten Gradel


JGSLA-Aug. 14th Meeting-Drohobycz Fim/Conference Highlights #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles - Program for Sunday, August 14th

Time: 1:00 PM - 4:00 PM

Location: University Synagogue, Klein Hall, 11960 Sunset Blvd., Los
Angeles

Screening: "I Remember Jewish Drohobycz'

In the short video, JGSLA founding member and rabbinical scholar, David
Einsiedler, born in Drohobycz in 1919, recounts the heart and soul of shtetl
life between the two World Wars. Through personal reminiscences, both
humorous and heart-wrenching, he leads us through the streets and into the
homes and schools of this Galician town. David describes moving to Lvov,
then to the university in Pisa, Italy and then on to America in the late
1930s.

We hope to have Mr. Einsiedler in attendance to answer questions after the
screening about the vanished world of Eastern European Jewish life portrayed
in this film.

IAJGS Conference Highlights:

JGSLA members who attended the IAJGS conference in Las Vegas will discuss
the presentations they found most enlightening and entertaining, including
new genealogical research and databases, along with updates on regional
special interest (SIG) groups.

This meeting is open to the public and free of charge. Refreshments will be
served.

For further information about this meeting and driving directions, please go
to our website at:

http://www.jgsla.org and click on "meetings" and "upcoming" or contact:

Pamela Weisberger
1st V.P. Programs, JGSLA
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSLA-Aug. 14th Meeting-Drohobycz Fim/Conference Highlights #general

Pamela Weisberger <pweisberger@...>
 

Jewish Genealogical Society of Los Angeles - Program for Sunday, August 14th

Time: 1:00 PM - 4:00 PM

Location: University Synagogue, Klein Hall, 11960 Sunset Blvd., Los
Angeles

Screening: "I Remember Jewish Drohobycz'

In the short video, JGSLA founding member and rabbinical scholar, David
Einsiedler, born in Drohobycz in 1919, recounts the heart and soul of shtetl
life between the two World Wars. Through personal reminiscences, both
humorous and heart-wrenching, he leads us through the streets and into the
homes and schools of this Galician town. David describes moving to Lvov,
then to the university in Pisa, Italy and then on to America in the late
1930s.

We hope to have Mr. Einsiedler in attendance to answer questions after the
screening about the vanished world of Eastern European Jewish life portrayed
in this film.

IAJGS Conference Highlights:

JGSLA members who attended the IAJGS conference in Las Vegas will discuss
the presentations they found most enlightening and entertaining, including
new genealogical research and databases, along with updates on regional
special interest (SIG) groups.

This meeting is open to the public and free of charge. Refreshments will be
served.

For further information about this meeting and driving directions, please go
to our website at:

http://www.jgsla.org and click on "meetings" and "upcoming" or contact:

Pamela Weisberger
1st V.P. Programs, JGSLA
Santa Monica, CA
pweisberger@hotmail.com


Re: Publishing genealogies #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

Dear JewishGen members,

I have been reading all the postings and trying to
hold back. But I can't any longer. I do want to say
that I am not affiliated with JewishGen or never held
a position. I am just a regular person still trying to
find all his family.

The original documents for my family were stolen from
a retirement home when my Aunt died. >from the little I
was able to start with, I spent a year finding
nothing. I don't mean afterwork searches, I mean every
day all day long. Then I found matching names on a
Shetl site and finally matching pictures and then a
family tree on JewishGen. lt ended up joining 3 sets
of families in 3 countries to ours, all of which were
not aware of the connection. Everyone assumed we
perished or they perished in the Holocaust.

Many or most of you know the excitement and joy when
you find a relative, and you remember their joy as
well. Time stops and you become family as if all the
years disappeared.

What is that joy worth? What is that family bond
worth? Is it worth losing all this over one person who
is angry with his mother, or sister, or uncle and
wants to punish his entire family. I don't feel that
way. And it is not what I feel family is all about.

This week of all weeks, we have to realize that all
this fear is not worth it. If someone wants to steal
your identity, they don't need a family tree, they can
pay $9.95 to get your mother's name and your unlisted
phone number. Or pay for a high dollar genealogy
service and find out more than you want to know. This
is not a reason to keep your children and your
children's children >from finding out about their
ancestors. To quote a simple adage, one bad apple may
ruin the barrel, but only if you decide to leave it
in. Just leave a blank for those who don't want to be
part of their family, and let your good grandchildren
unite with those who want to be family.

I remember when I sent a picture to a lost relative
of his father in 1920s. He was on the way to work. His
wife got the email and called him and he returned home
and called me immediately >from Israel. The sound of
his excitement, a lost family found, this is what
makes life worth living. And this is where a whole new
story begins.

Sincerely,
Yehudah BenShlomo
U.S.A.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Publishing genealogies #general

Yehudh bn Shlmo
 

Dear JewishGen members,

I have been reading all the postings and trying to
hold back. But I can't any longer. I do want to say
that I am not affiliated with JewishGen or never held
a position. I am just a regular person still trying to
find all his family.

The original documents for my family were stolen from
a retirement home when my Aunt died. >from the little I
was able to start with, I spent a year finding
nothing. I don't mean afterwork searches, I mean every
day all day long. Then I found matching names on a
Shetl site and finally matching pictures and then a
family tree on JewishGen. lt ended up joining 3 sets
of families in 3 countries to ours, all of which were
not aware of the connection. Everyone assumed we
perished or they perished in the Holocaust.

Many or most of you know the excitement and joy when
you find a relative, and you remember their joy as
well. Time stops and you become family as if all the
years disappeared.

What is that joy worth? What is that family bond
worth? Is it worth losing all this over one person who
is angry with his mother, or sister, or uncle and
wants to punish his entire family. I don't feel that
way. And it is not what I feel family is all about.

This week of all weeks, we have to realize that all
this fear is not worth it. If someone wants to steal
your identity, they don't need a family tree, they can
pay $9.95 to get your mother's name and your unlisted
phone number. Or pay for a high dollar genealogy
service and find out more than you want to know. This
is not a reason to keep your children and your
children's children >from finding out about their
ancestors. To quote a simple adage, one bad apple may
ruin the barrel, but only if you decide to leave it
in. Just leave a blank for those who don't want to be
part of their family, and let your good grandchildren
unite with those who want to be family.

I remember when I sent a picture to a lost relative
of his father in 1920s. He was on the way to work. His
wife got the email and called him and he returned home
and called me immediately >from Israel. The sound of
his excitement, a lost family found, this is what
makes life worth living. And this is where a whole new
story begins.

Sincerely,
Yehudah BenShlomo
U.S.A.


Re: Obtaining a match 7+ generations ago #dna

Marsha Epstein <mepstein@...>
 

One more issue is that surnames were not required until several
centuries ago, so different families living close by may have taken
the same last name. They may have been related along maternal lines,
or not at all. We think that's what happened in our family. We have
two families >from the same general area (Bobruisk area of Belarus--my
branch doesn't know the exact shtetl), and there is a striking
similarity of how we look compared to one other EPSTEIN branch. But
two individuals who look very similar don't have the same Y DNA. We
think we're related by some common maternal ancestor and just haven't
been able to pin it down.

Marsha Epstein
mepstein@earthlink.net


DNA Research #DNA RE: Obtaining a match 7+ generations ago #dna

Marsha Epstein <mepstein@...>
 

One more issue is that surnames were not required until several
centuries ago, so different families living close by may have taken
the same last name. They may have been related along maternal lines,
or not at all. We think that's what happened in our family. We have
two families >from the same general area (Bobruisk area of Belarus--my
branch doesn't know the exact shtetl), and there is a striking
similarity of how we look compared to one other EPSTEIN branch. But
two individuals who look very similar don't have the same Y DNA. We
think we're related by some common maternal ancestor and just haven't
been able to pin it down.

Marsha Epstein
mepstein@earthlink.net