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Hersch = Herman #hungary

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

Marc D. Machtinger wrote:
I would be grateful for any thoughts on the likelihood that my "Hersch"
would be the same as either or both of these "Hermans," or for any
suggestions for further research along these lines.

Dear Marc,
In the oldest documents (before 1787) the name of my gggggrandfather was
Herschel (ben/son of) Isaak. In later dated documents (after 1787) his name
was Herrmann Grab.

Hirsch/Hersch/Herschl/Herschel is the Jiddish form of the Hebrew name
Naphtali. In the range of the integration in the mainstream society Jewish
people changed in Middle Europe Jiddish names in similarly clinking German
names. For example Hirsch/Hersch/Herschl/Herschel in Hermann/Herrmann/Herman
or Mosche/Moische/Moises in Moritz etc.

Best Wishes
H. Grab


Hungary SIG #Hungary Hersch = Herman #hungary

Hans Peter Grab <hpgrab@...>
 

Marc D. Machtinger wrote:
I would be grateful for any thoughts on the likelihood that my "Hersch"
would be the same as either or both of these "Hermans," or for any
suggestions for further research along these lines.

Dear Marc,
In the oldest documents (before 1787) the name of my gggggrandfather was
Herschel (ben/son of) Isaak. In later dated documents (after 1787) his name
was Herrmann Grab.

Hirsch/Hersch/Herschl/Herschel is the Jiddish form of the Hebrew name
Naphtali. In the range of the integration in the mainstream society Jewish
people changed in Middle Europe Jiddish names in similarly clinking German
names. For example Hirsch/Hersch/Herschl/Herschel in Hermann/Herrmann/Herman
or Mosche/Moische/Moises in Moritz etc.

Best Wishes
H. Grab


Postings #general

Brenda J Freedland <brendajf@...>
 

It seems to me that there is a lack of humor and forgiveness in this group.
Not everyone will do what people expect--that's OK. I don't think people
would be as critical of their friends else they would have no friends.

I suggest that members "lighten up". It appears that feelings are put ahead
of help and information. Just do the right thing and everyone *should* be
happy.

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
Bingham Farms, MI


Re: Obtaining Canadian Immigration Records #general

bud484bg@...
 

I have just gone through the 1911 Canada Census records and found
listings for four famiies I am researching, showing dates of
Immigration to Canada. These dates are necessary in order to request
immigration records.

How do I get these records?, since, the rules state that these are
available to citizens and residents of Canada only.

Have any of you dealt with this?

Your feedback will be appreciated.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Postings #general

Brenda J Freedland <brendajf@...>
 

It seems to me that there is a lack of humor and forgiveness in this group.
Not everyone will do what people expect--that's OK. I don't think people
would be as critical of their friends else they would have no friends.

I suggest that members "lighten up". It appears that feelings are put ahead
of help and information. Just do the right thing and everyone *should* be
happy.

Brenda Freedland Pangborn
Bingham Farms, MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Obtaining Canadian Immigration Records #general

bud484bg@...
 

I have just gone through the 1911 Canada Census records and found
listings for four famiies I am researching, showing dates of
Immigration to Canada. These dates are necessary in order to request
immigration records.

How do I get these records?, since, the rules state that these are
available to citizens and residents of Canada only.

Have any of you dealt with this?

Your feedback will be appreciated.

Beatrice Markel
Redondo Beach, California


Re: Requested Volunteer for Jewish Cemetary Project #germany

Paul Fischer <paul_2kusa@...>
 

What is required, please? I am interested.

My background is essentially that of a Gentile, since
my father was Jewish, and my mother is Protestant. I
did not grow up around a Jewish community, but have
become gradually more familiar with my family
background in the past fifteen years. (Currently, I am
"test driving" my first yarmulke, and sometimes pray
with the men in the services at the local Orthodox
synagogue, here in Memphis.)

I am computer literate with Word Processing,
Powerpoint, Excel and email programming. Academically,
at 58, I have gone back to school to get an MBA;
currently I am one-half way through the curriculum,
with a 4.0.

I speak no German or Hebrew, so that may be a major
stumbling block. But I would like to offer, because
jewishgen.or has been a major contributor to my
family's genealogical search, in the wake of my
father's death. (When he died, in 1999, we did not
know the city in Germany >from which they came, or the
names of anyone past his grandfather and grandmother,
here.) Now we can trace back the family to the 1700's
and have identified dozens of family members killed in
the Shoah, as well as locales of his family's
residences in Germany.

I would like to help. It would be a blessing to try.

Thank you.

Sincerely,


Paul Fischer Memphis, TN


German SIG #Germany Re: Requested Volunteer for Jewish Cemetary Project #germany

Paul Fischer <paul_2kusa@...>
 

What is required, please? I am interested.

My background is essentially that of a Gentile, since
my father was Jewish, and my mother is Protestant. I
did not grow up around a Jewish community, but have
become gradually more familiar with my family
background in the past fifteen years. (Currently, I am
"test driving" my first yarmulke, and sometimes pray
with the men in the services at the local Orthodox
synagogue, here in Memphis.)

I am computer literate with Word Processing,
Powerpoint, Excel and email programming. Academically,
at 58, I have gone back to school to get an MBA;
currently I am one-half way through the curriculum,
with a 4.0.

I speak no German or Hebrew, so that may be a major
stumbling block. But I would like to offer, because
jewishgen.or has been a major contributor to my
family's genealogical search, in the wake of my
father's death. (When he died, in 1999, we did not
know the city in Germany >from which they came, or the
names of anyone past his grandfather and grandmother,
here.) Now we can trace back the family to the 1700's
and have identified dozens of family members killed in
the Shoah, as well as locales of his family's
residences in Germany.

I would like to help. It would be a blessing to try.

Thank you.

Sincerely,


Paul Fischer Memphis, TN


INTRO - researching LIEBES, SCHLESINGER, GUTTMANN from Silesia, LEHMANN, KUGELMANN from north-west Germany #germany

Nicole Heymans <nheymans@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 2
years. I consider myself to be a resourceful intermediate in doing German (and
other) Jewish (and other) Genealogy research. I live in Brussels, Belgium.
Half my ancestors were Jewish (those on my mother's side). My native languages
are English and French and I also manage Dutch and German and can decipher printed
Cyrillic.

I consider myself advanced in using a computer and the Internet although
often baffled by Microsoft idiosyncrasies.

I have the names of my grandparents, my great grandparents and most of my
great great grandparents.

The family names and towns that I am researching are:

LIEBES - Kepno, Wroclaw (late 19th century), Berlin, Hamburg, the Americas
(Late 19th and 20th century)
SCHLESINGER, GUTTMANN, FREUND - Silesia
LEHMANN - P=F6mbsen, Reelsen, Driburg, Dortmund, Antwerp
KUGELMANN - Wagenfeld, Antwerp
HIRSCH in connection with above names.

Occupations seem to concentrate on leather, wood and later (late 19th
century onwards) all kinds of international business.

I think that will do for an intro.

Nicole Heymans nheymans@ulb.ac.be Brussels, Belgium


German SIG #Germany INTRO - researching LIEBES, SCHLESINGER, GUTTMANN from Silesia, LEHMANN, KUGELMANN from north-west Germany #germany

Nicole Heymans <nheymans@...>
 

Hello GerSig,

I just joined the group. I have been doing genealogy research for 2
years. I consider myself to be a resourceful intermediate in doing German (and
other) Jewish (and other) Genealogy research. I live in Brussels, Belgium.
Half my ancestors were Jewish (those on my mother's side). My native languages
are English and French and I also manage Dutch and German and can decipher printed
Cyrillic.

I consider myself advanced in using a computer and the Internet although
often baffled by Microsoft idiosyncrasies.

I have the names of my grandparents, my great grandparents and most of my
great great grandparents.

The family names and towns that I am researching are:

LIEBES - Kepno, Wroclaw (late 19th century), Berlin, Hamburg, the Americas
(Late 19th and 20th century)
SCHLESINGER, GUTTMANN, FREUND - Silesia
LEHMANN - P=F6mbsen, Reelsen, Driburg, Dortmund, Antwerp
KUGELMANN - Wagenfeld, Antwerp
HIRSCH in connection with above names.

Occupations seem to concentrate on leather, wood and later (late 19th
century onwards) all kinds of international business.

I think that will do for an intro.

Nicole Heymans nheymans@ulb.ac.be Brussels, Belgium


Reading Russian #general

sbloom@...
 

genners:

I would enthusiastically suggest folks interested in reading Russian for Jewish
documents of 19th century +/- a few years, read the book _In Their Own Words_
(vol II), by Shea and Hoffman. Its not widely published, but I believe you can find
a link to their site through Jewishgen if you go to resources for translation
(perhaps the moderator can correct me if I am wrong).

I can't testify to its accuracy, since I'm not an expert, but it has lots of examples,
abstracts, sections on grammar and pronounciation, comparisons to other languages
of the region, index, dictionary, etc. Not insignificant, the authors are active in the
field (i.e., this isnt a gathering dust work >from 50 years ago).

Steve Bloom
Farmville, VA

MODERATOR NOTE: Volume I of this reference (Polish) is described in the JewishGen
InfoFiles at http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/poland/writing.htm.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reading Russian #general

sbloom@...
 

genners:

I would enthusiastically suggest folks interested in reading Russian for Jewish
documents of 19th century +/- a few years, read the book _In Their Own Words_
(vol II), by Shea and Hoffman. Its not widely published, but I believe you can find
a link to their site through Jewishgen if you go to resources for translation
(perhaps the moderator can correct me if I am wrong).

I can't testify to its accuracy, since I'm not an expert, but it has lots of examples,
abstracts, sections on grammar and pronounciation, comparisons to other languages
of the region, index, dictionary, etc. Not insignificant, the authors are active in the
field (i.e., this isnt a gathering dust work >from 50 years ago).

Steve Bloom
Farmville, VA

MODERATOR NOTE: Volume I of this reference (Polish) is described in the JewishGen
InfoFiles at http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/poland/writing.htm.


surname/profession #general

Irene K. <impromptus2002@...>
 

Anne Budlender wrote:
"My question is as follows-why the 2 names
SAPOZHNIK/KABELSKY? No-one
in the family has ever heard the name SAPOZHNIK
mentioned before. I know Sapozhnik
means a shoemaker. Is this a hyphenated name?"

According to my experience this kind of misreading and
eventually mistranslation might happen because:
1. the record was written by a clerk who avoided
capital letter in surname;
2. a translator interpreted profession 'sapozhnik'
(shoemaker) as a family name;
3. a translator did not pay attention to feminine side
of revision list (if it was a revision or family list)

where usually only first and last name of a head of
family should be mentioned.

I am 100% sure that Kabelsky is the only surname on
the record and "sapozhnik" is a profession. In order
to have double check it will be appropriate to try to
find birth or marriage records for the same family.
Unfortunately Anne did not mention a year of the
entry. The family names were often omitted on early
(prior 1850th) revision lists. If Ovsey was a
sapozhnik his profession was written in front of his
first name, probably a translator did not realize it
and wrote it down as a surname.

Irene Kudish
translator, researcher
Tel-Aviv

LIBDKIND/LIPKIND - Belarus, Lithuania; GLIKIN - Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen surname/profession #general

Irene K. <impromptus2002@...>
 

Anne Budlender wrote:
"My question is as follows-why the 2 names
SAPOZHNIK/KABELSKY? No-one
in the family has ever heard the name SAPOZHNIK
mentioned before. I know Sapozhnik
means a shoemaker. Is this a hyphenated name?"

According to my experience this kind of misreading and
eventually mistranslation might happen because:
1. the record was written by a clerk who avoided
capital letter in surname;
2. a translator interpreted profession 'sapozhnik'
(shoemaker) as a family name;
3. a translator did not pay attention to feminine side
of revision list (if it was a revision or family list)

where usually only first and last name of a head of
family should be mentioned.

I am 100% sure that Kabelsky is the only surname on
the record and "sapozhnik" is a profession. In order
to have double check it will be appropriate to try to
find birth or marriage records for the same family.
Unfortunately Anne did not mention a year of the
entry. The family names were often omitted on early
(prior 1850th) revision lists. If Ovsey was a
sapozhnik his profession was written in front of his
first name, probably a translator did not realize it
and wrote it down as a surname.

Irene Kudish
translator, researcher
Tel-Aviv

LIBDKIND/LIPKIND - Belarus, Lithuania; GLIKIN - Belarus


Moldova-need contact to visit Kishniev #general

freud1@aol.com <freud1@...>
 

I will be traveling to Kishniev for both genealogical research and also
to help a couple >from my synagogue toadopt a baby. It is a relatively
primitive country and I would like to find some Jewish persons that we
can connect up with in Kishniev to help and guide us. You can reply
offline if you wish to:
freud1@aol.com

Thanks

Elliot S. Cohen
Colorado Springs, Co

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's ShtetlSchleppers project provides
assistance and tours for those visiting ancestral lands. For further
information, go to the JewishGen home page, www.jewishgen.org,
and under "Projects" select "ShtetlSchleppers".


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Moldova-need contact to visit Kishniev #general

freud1@aol.com <freud1@...>
 

I will be traveling to Kishniev for both genealogical research and also
to help a couple >from my synagogue toadopt a baby. It is a relatively
primitive country and I would like to find some Jewish persons that we
can connect up with in Kishniev to help and guide us. You can reply
offline if you wish to:
freud1@aol.com

Thanks

Elliot S. Cohen
Colorado Springs, Co

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's ShtetlSchleppers project provides
assistance and tours for those visiting ancestral lands. For further
information, go to the JewishGen home page, www.jewishgen.org,
and under "Projects" select "ShtetlSchleppers".


Help find a Memorial Monument #general

Yair Kornberg <yair19@...>
 

Dear colleague,
At the following web address you'll find 2 photos of a monument which I'm
trying to locate.
I'll appreciate your help.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/yair1958/my_photos

Thanks

Yair Kornberg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help find a Memorial Monument #general

Yair Kornberg <yair19@...>
 

Dear colleague,
At the following web address you'll find 2 photos of a monument which I'm
trying to locate.
I'll appreciate your help.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/yair1958/my_photos

Thanks

Yair Kornberg


Austria / Hungary timeline question #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

My Great Grandfather and his family listed Hungary as place of Origin
in the 1910 census, but list Austria in the 1920 census. Can anyone
explain?

MODERATOR NOTE: You may also want to ask questions about this
geographical area in the relevant JewishGen Special Interest Groups
(SIGs), in this case the Hungarian SIG and the Austria-Czech SIG. For
further information, go to the JewishGen home page, www.jewishgen.org,
and under "SIGs" select these groups.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Austria / Hungary timeline question #general

Howie Axelrod <highwind1@...>
 

My Great Grandfather and his family listed Hungary as place of Origin
in the 1910 census, but list Austria in the 1920 census. Can anyone
explain?

MODERATOR NOTE: You may also want to ask questions about this
geographical area in the relevant JewishGen Special Interest Groups
(SIGs), in this case the Hungarian SIG and the Austria-Czech SIG. For
further information, go to the JewishGen home page, www.jewishgen.org,
and under "SIGs" select these groups.