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Re: PROPPER and TAUSSIG families from Laun/Louny, Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ron Hermann wrote:

<"Celia writes "Georgia [Haken] will be excited to hear that in the whole
of Bohemia in 1793, apart >from Prague, there is only one PROPPER listed. "

Well, my family has PROPPERs and they are >from Jungfer-Teinitz (Panensky
Tynec) in Bohemia. I already spoke with Georgia, a year ago, about that but
we could not find a connection between my family and her family.

Here are the PROPPERs in my family:
- Wilhelm PROPPER >from Jungfer-Teinitz (Panensky Tynec) marries Wilhelmine
Kohn. No dates.>

I did clearly say that there is only one PROPPER - a widower called
*Penignaim* listed in the published volumes of the 1793 census of Bohemia -
that is the crux. He is living in the Saatzer Kreis. There may be other
PROPPER families in PRAGUE - the census is not yet out for Prague.

Is *Penignaim* a mistranscription of another name or is it a first name,
from another region, I have never come across? Penignaim was a teacher
and slaughterer. Many of the teachers in the 1793 Bohemian census came
from Moravia or Poland. He may have had many sons who then reappeared in
later years. We will have to wait till the Prague census is published to
see if they are living there.

The later PROPPER families may have come >from Moravia, Hungary or more
likely >from Poland, Galicia or Bukowina see: [search for PROPPER - also
on jri-pl].

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Brzozow/brz001.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Bukowinabook/buk1_067.html

It is rather interesting that Ron's PROPPER family comes >from
Jungfernteinitz {Panensky Tynec} in the Rakonitzer Kreis - 10 km SE of
Laun/Louny, the home of Georgia's PROPPER family, in the Saatzer Kreis.
Is this proximity a coincidence?

Another interesting point of similarity between Laun and Jungfernteinitz
is that in 1793 there were only two Jewish families in the latter town/village
- both places were effectively out-of-bounds to Jews.

These two families were those of Joseph and Jakob KAZ [sic]. They had the
distilling and tobacco concessions. Both were married and had four daughters
between them and Jakob had two servants.

So again the Jews came to live in Jungfernteinitz, like to Laun well after
1793.

Conclusion: Both the Laun and the Jungfernteinitz PROPPERs were immigrants
from ?
Celia Male [U.K.]


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re:PROPPER and TAUSSIG families from Laun/Louny, Bohemia #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Ron Hermann wrote:

<"Celia writes "Georgia [Haken] will be excited to hear that in the whole
of Bohemia in 1793, apart >from Prague, there is only one PROPPER listed. "

Well, my family has PROPPERs and they are >from Jungfer-Teinitz (Panensky
Tynec) in Bohemia. I already spoke with Georgia, a year ago, about that but
we could not find a connection between my family and her family.

Here are the PROPPERs in my family:
- Wilhelm PROPPER >from Jungfer-Teinitz (Panensky Tynec) marries Wilhelmine
Kohn. No dates.>

I did clearly say that there is only one PROPPER - a widower called
*Penignaim* listed in the published volumes of the 1793 census of Bohemia -
that is the crux. He is living in the Saatzer Kreis. There may be other
PROPPER families in PRAGUE - the census is not yet out for Prague.

Is *Penignaim* a mistranscription of another name or is it a first name,
from another region, I have never come across? Penignaim was a teacher
and slaughterer. Many of the teachers in the 1793 Bohemian census came
from Moravia or Poland. He may have had many sons who then reappeared in
later years. We will have to wait till the Prague census is published to
see if they are living there.

The later PROPPER families may have come >from Moravia, Hungary or more
likely >from Poland, Galicia or Bukowina see: [search for PROPPER - also
on jri-pl].

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Brzozow/brz001.html
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Bukowinabook/buk1_067.html

It is rather interesting that Ron's PROPPER family comes >from
Jungfernteinitz {Panensky Tynec} in the Rakonitzer Kreis - 10 km SE of
Laun/Louny, the home of Georgia's PROPPER family, in the Saatzer Kreis.
Is this proximity a coincidence?

Another interesting point of similarity between Laun and Jungfernteinitz
is that in 1793 there were only two Jewish families in the latter town/village
- both places were effectively out-of-bounds to Jews.

These two families were those of Joseph and Jakob KAZ [sic]. They had the
distilling and tobacco concessions. Both were married and had four daughters
between them and Jakob had two servants.

So again the Jews came to live in Jungfernteinitz, like to Laun well after
1793.

Conclusion: Both the Laun and the Jungfernteinitz PROPPERs were immigrants
from ?
Celia Male [U.K.]


Re: Introductions - OFNER, ZENKER, FISCHL and HAZELKORN - FUCHS #austria-czech

Ruth Coman <ruth.coman@...>
 

The reintroductions are throwing up huge opportunities for making
connections

Two messages in the last few days struck particular chords with me

".... My name is Sue ISMAN and I live in Potomac, Maryland, USA. ..... My
great-great grandfather was Gottlieb ZENKER. He was born in Prague in 1860.
He had 3 brothers.... Marcus ZENKER, born 1863, Fred ZENKER born 1868, and
Edward ZENKER, born 1872. I believe they were also all born in Prague."

My mother, Fritzi HOELZEL nee SALUS, was born in November 1907 in the
Sudetenland and studied medicine at the Charles University in Prague. Her
closest friend was Erika ZENKER, child of a Prague family. Erika who was
born in February 1908 was transported to Theresienstadt 20 November 1942 and
from there to Auschwitz. She did not survive.
Also, Marcia Hoffman's email:

" I've been doing genealogy for three years and am totally stuck on my
father's maternal side. Morris FRIEDMAN came to New York in 1880 from
Austria. His wife, Bertha GREEN FRIEDMAN apparently followed in 1882....
Children were Sadie, Mollie, .......Adolph and Otto ......Otto's
mother-in-law was Sara (Sadie) FUCHS HAZELCORN >from Galicia.."

Most of my research has concentrated on my mother's SALUS family which lived
in Bohemia for 4 centuries. However my father Aron HOELZEL's family came
from Galicia. His maternal grandmother was Taube FIDERER nee HAZELKORN from
the Tarnepol area! Taube had a HAZELKORN brother whose 3 sons Max, Benny and
Harry all emigrated to America (I think in the 1920s or 30s) where they
changed their name to CORN. An old aunt once told me that Max CORN wrote
back to the family in Galicia about his search for a bride and eventually
his cousin Minnie FIDERER (Taube's daughter) went out to New York where they
married.

Ruth Coman
London, England
Researching: SALUS, Bohemia; SCHUESSLER, Bohemia,Wien, Trieste;
LOEWY,Kolodeje nad Luznici,Kolin; MELZER,Zatec; MOC,MOTZ,Bohemia


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Introductions - OFNER, ZENKER, FISCHL and HAZELKORN - FUCHS #austria-czech

Ruth Coman <ruth.coman@...>
 

The reintroductions are throwing up huge opportunities for making
connections

Two messages in the last few days struck particular chords with me

".... My name is Sue ISMAN and I live in Potomac, Maryland, USA. ..... My
great-great grandfather was Gottlieb ZENKER. He was born in Prague in 1860.
He had 3 brothers.... Marcus ZENKER, born 1863, Fred ZENKER born 1868, and
Edward ZENKER, born 1872. I believe they were also all born in Prague."

My mother, Fritzi HOELZEL nee SALUS, was born in November 1907 in the
Sudetenland and studied medicine at the Charles University in Prague. Her
closest friend was Erika ZENKER, child of a Prague family. Erika who was
born in February 1908 was transported to Theresienstadt 20 November 1942 and
from there to Auschwitz. She did not survive.
Also, Marcia Hoffman's email:

" I've been doing genealogy for three years and am totally stuck on my
father's maternal side. Morris FRIEDMAN came to New York in 1880 from
Austria. His wife, Bertha GREEN FRIEDMAN apparently followed in 1882....
Children were Sadie, Mollie, .......Adolph and Otto ......Otto's
mother-in-law was Sara (Sadie) FUCHS HAZELCORN >from Galicia.."

Most of my research has concentrated on my mother's SALUS family which lived
in Bohemia for 4 centuries. However my father Aron HOELZEL's family came
from Galicia. His maternal grandmother was Taube FIDERER nee HAZELKORN from
the Tarnepol area! Taube had a HAZELKORN brother whose 3 sons Max, Benny and
Harry all emigrated to America (I think in the 1920s or 30s) where they
changed their name to CORN. An old aunt once told me that Max CORN wrote
back to the family in Galicia about his search for a bride and eventually
his cousin Minnie FIDERER (Taube's daughter) went out to New York where they
married.

Ruth Coman
London, England
Researching: SALUS, Bohemia; SCHUESSLER, Bohemia,Wien, Trieste;
LOEWY,Kolodeje nad Luznici,Kolin; MELZER,Zatec; MOC,MOTZ,Bohemia


Research Update: NOWAK, EISINGER, FINKELSTEIN, KRAUTERBLUTH #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear SIGers -

At Sharla Levine's suggestion, I've been reviewing and refining my research
interests, as summarised below.

Over the past seven years or so, I've become an "lazy internet genealogist".
That is, I haven't gone out and physically dug through actual archives and
files - all my research has been via email and internet. Without JewishGen
and AustriaCzech (and also JRI-PL and Gesher Galicia), I would not know a
fraction of what I now know, which is a large sum of information about my
ancestry. Fortunately, I knew a good deal to begin with, >from my late
Parent's memoirs, and I've been able to build on that and expand it. I'm
also writing a Family History, which is very much a work-in-progress, based
on this material. I believe that history isn't just about places and dates;
it's about what people did and where and how they did it.

My current research interests are as follows:

NOWAK - Thanks to the SIG, I discovered the existence of the graves of my
great-great grandfather David NOWAK and his wife Babette in Uhersky Brod
(CZ). David died in 1879. I will visit his grave in May 2006. But I know
nothing about him and would love to know more. Even a photograph would be
wonderful.

NOWAK - My great-grandfather Moritz NOWAK set up and owned a liquor and
pharmaceutical business in Vienna - he was described as a "spiritushandler".
That is, when the local newspaper wasn't calling him "der Brantweinjude
Nowak". The business was probably wound up after he died in 1916. I know
nothing about the business; not even what it was called or where it
operated, although he started in the basement of the apartment house he
built in Neulerchenfelderstrasse, Ottakring. The building was bombed in WW2
and no longer exists. The business was very successful, so surely some
records must exist. But what and where?

EISINGER - I have recently acquired a lot of information about this family,
which was a very extensive one. Most of them seem to have originated in
Kostel/Podivin in Moravia and they spread all over the world. Professional
research has been recently done (not by me) and a comprehensive family tree
compiled. I have to thank several people for information and advice,
including Susan Boyer, Frank Eisinger, Claire Bruell (we're very distantly
related but don't know how), Celia Male and others on the SIG, and other
newly discovered cousins who are not on the SIG.

FINKELSTEIN - Strictly speaking, they aren't >from the Austria-Czech SIG
area, but >from Galicia. But I'll briefly mention them for the record. Adolf
and Helene Finkelstein. Helene was an Eisinger, Adolf was born in
Podwolocyska (now in Ukraine). His father Max came to Pod. but I know
nothing about him and would love to know more.

KRAUTERBLUTH - again, not strictly AustriaCzech business. Adolf's sister
Henriette married a Dr. Krauterbluth (allegedly he was a teacher/professor)
and they lived *somewhere in Poland* at least until WW2 when contact was
lost. The surname appears on an Aufbau Shanghai List, but may not be him.

All these names and more are registered with the JGFF, FTJP, Holocaust
Registry etc.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Research Update: NOWAK, EISINGER, FINKELSTEIN, KRAUTERBLUTH #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

Dear SIGers -

At Sharla Levine's suggestion, I've been reviewing and refining my research
interests, as summarised below.

Over the past seven years or so, I've become an "lazy internet genealogist".
That is, I haven't gone out and physically dug through actual archives and
files - all my research has been via email and internet. Without JewishGen
and AustriaCzech (and also JRI-PL and Gesher Galicia), I would not know a
fraction of what I now know, which is a large sum of information about my
ancestry. Fortunately, I knew a good deal to begin with, >from my late
Parent's memoirs, and I've been able to build on that and expand it. I'm
also writing a Family History, which is very much a work-in-progress, based
on this material. I believe that history isn't just about places and dates;
it's about what people did and where and how they did it.

My current research interests are as follows:

NOWAK - Thanks to the SIG, I discovered the existence of the graves of my
great-great grandfather David NOWAK and his wife Babette in Uhersky Brod
(CZ). David died in 1879. I will visit his grave in May 2006. But I know
nothing about him and would love to know more. Even a photograph would be
wonderful.

NOWAK - My great-grandfather Moritz NOWAK set up and owned a liquor and
pharmaceutical business in Vienna - he was described as a "spiritushandler".
That is, when the local newspaper wasn't calling him "der Brantweinjude
Nowak". The business was probably wound up after he died in 1916. I know
nothing about the business; not even what it was called or where it
operated, although he started in the basement of the apartment house he
built in Neulerchenfelderstrasse, Ottakring. The building was bombed in WW2
and no longer exists. The business was very successful, so surely some
records must exist. But what and where?

EISINGER - I have recently acquired a lot of information about this family,
which was a very extensive one. Most of them seem to have originated in
Kostel/Podivin in Moravia and they spread all over the world. Professional
research has been recently done (not by me) and a comprehensive family tree
compiled. I have to thank several people for information and advice,
including Susan Boyer, Frank Eisinger, Claire Bruell (we're very distantly
related but don't know how), Celia Male and others on the SIG, and other
newly discovered cousins who are not on the SIG.

FINKELSTEIN - Strictly speaking, they aren't >from the Austria-Czech SIG
area, but >from Galicia. But I'll briefly mention them for the record. Adolf
and Helene Finkelstein. Helene was an Eisinger, Adolf was born in
Podwolocyska (now in Ukraine). His father Max came to Pod. but I know
nothing about him and would love to know more.

KRAUTERBLUTH - again, not strictly AustriaCzech business. Adolf's sister
Henriette married a Dr. Krauterbluth (allegedly he was a teacher/professor)
and they lived *somewhere in Poland* at least until WW2 when contact was
lost. The surname appears on an Aufbau Shanghai List, but may not be him.

All these names and more are registered with the JGFF, FTJP, Holocaust
Registry etc.

Shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@iinet.net.au


Oskar, Hans and Henry SALOMON (business owners) of Celle, Germany #general

fanoemmitt@...
 

Hello and thank you all for help in the past. So far in search for the
ancestry of my mother (Maria Salomon) and her brother (Heinz Salomon) and
their mother (Ruth Salomon), I have still found nothing but dead ends. I am
still hunting and reaching and hoping.

As mention in a previous post, My Uncle (Heinz Salomon) was born in Breslau,
Germany (Wroclaw, Poland) in 1934. Birth certificate states Breslau IV, and
a street address on Kronprinzenstrasse. Also that Ruth's Residence was in
Wester-Celle in 1940 (year of original certificate).

It is believed that my mother (Maria Salomon) was born in Oranienburg,
Germany in 1935. The person claiming to be their father was born in
Wester-Celle in 1909. We do not know the birth date nor birth place of their
mother (Ruth Salomon).

On the website http://www.celle-im-nationalsozialismus.de/Index.html ,I
found a reference to Oskar, Hans and Henry Salomon (Business owners in Celle
in 1930's) but could not locate any additional information on them.

Does anyone know anything about them or know where I can find more
information on them or pictures of them?

Tim Patton
Eau Claire, WI, USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Oskar, Hans and Henry SALOMON (business owners) of Celle, Germany #general

fanoemmitt@...
 

Hello and thank you all for help in the past. So far in search for the
ancestry of my mother (Maria Salomon) and her brother (Heinz Salomon) and
their mother (Ruth Salomon), I have still found nothing but dead ends. I am
still hunting and reaching and hoping.

As mention in a previous post, My Uncle (Heinz Salomon) was born in Breslau,
Germany (Wroclaw, Poland) in 1934. Birth certificate states Breslau IV, and
a street address on Kronprinzenstrasse. Also that Ruth's Residence was in
Wester-Celle in 1940 (year of original certificate).

It is believed that my mother (Maria Salomon) was born in Oranienburg,
Germany in 1935. The person claiming to be their father was born in
Wester-Celle in 1909. We do not know the birth date nor birth place of their
mother (Ruth Salomon).

On the website http://www.celle-im-nationalsozialismus.de/Index.html ,I
found a reference to Oskar, Hans and Henry Salomon (Business owners in Celle
in 1930's) but could not locate any additional information on them.

Does anyone know anything about them or know where I can find more
information on them or pictures of them?

Tim Patton
Eau Claire, WI, USA


Last Name BRIENJES #general

Greg Gruener <gruenerg@...>
 

Does anyone have any information on this family name?
Possible variations include:

BRINJES, BRINEJES, etc...

If so, please email at:

gruenerg@yahoo.com.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Last Name BRIENJES #general

Greg Gruener <gruenerg@...>
 

Does anyone have any information on this family name?
Possible variations include:

BRINJES, BRINEJES, etc...

If so, please email at:

gruenerg@yahoo.com.


Rohatyn: searching photos of musicians #general

agudashi@...
 

Dear genners,
I am researching the FAUST family klezmers >from Rohatyn. I have the
famous picture of the musicians posed with their instruments as
pictured in the yizkor book. I am interested if any descendents of
Rohatyn or surrounding towns have these musicians pictured in other
photographs in their personal collection. Are you willing to share?
Thank you.
Alex Feller
Chicago
Researching: FAUST, ROTHEN, REICHBACH, FURMAN, LOEW >from Rohatyn.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Rohatyn: searching photos of musicians #general

agudashi@...
 

Dear genners,
I am researching the FAUST family klezmers >from Rohatyn. I have the
famous picture of the musicians posed with their instruments as
pictured in the yizkor book. I am interested if any descendents of
Rohatyn or surrounding towns have these musicians pictured in other
photographs in their personal collection. Are you willing to share?
Thank you.
Alex Feller
Chicago
Researching: FAUST, ROTHEN, REICHBACH, FURMAN, LOEW >from Rohatyn.


Esther Berkovna KLAZ #general

peapod2 <peapod2@...>
 

Dear Genners: I am looking for any members of the PULDA / PULDE / PULDEY family
that knows anything about Esther berlovna KLASS. I want to know if she had
any broter or sisters. The pulda family here in america has been a dead end.
thank you mike klass


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Esther Berkovna KLAZ #general

peapod2 <peapod2@...>
 

Dear Genners: I am looking for any members of the PULDA / PULDE / PULDEY family
that knows anything about Esther berlovna KLASS. I want to know if she had
any broter or sisters. The pulda family here in america has been a dead end.
thank you mike klass


Chicago Cook County Naturalizations #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

My rellie, Jacob SHAPIRO, applied for NAt. in 1896
in Cook County. The Mormon films list 2 groups of microfilms-
United States. District Court (Illinois : Northern District
& Southern District)

Into which section falls Cook County?

Please can you reply to me personally as well as to the
List - I no longer receive this.

Many thanks,

Miriam Margolyes
email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com
Santa Monica.

searching: AMIEL, PASEVITCH


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chicago Cook County Naturalizations #general

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

My rellie, Jacob SHAPIRO, applied for NAt. in 1896
in Cook County. The Mormon films list 2 groups of microfilms-
United States. District Court (Illinois : Northern District
& Southern District)

Into which section falls Cook County?

Please can you reply to me personally as well as to the
List - I no longer receive this.

Many thanks,

Miriam Margolyes
email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com
Santa Monica.

searching: AMIEL, PASEVITCH


searching for #general

Albert Singer <al2chris@...>
 

shetils outside of Kiev: Stavicht and Boyerkah
names of people SPITZANEVSKY and LEVINE

Cherkass: VORONOFFSKY

Odessa: ARANOWITZ and ROSOFF

Al Singer
Schenectady NY


Thank you Las Vegas! #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

Those of us who are now at work preparing the 2006 IAJGS Conference in New
York City thank all of those who worked so hard at presenting a wonderful
conference. The feedback we have been getting echoes our feelings for a job
very well done.

You say, "What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas." However, the warm
feelings of being together with others who are working on our very holy work
of Jewish genealogy, has been carried home by each of us.

We look forward to seeing everyone in New York City at the Marriott Marquis
starting on Sunday, August 13th through Friday, August 18th.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
2006 Conference Program Committee Chair
New York, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching for #general

Albert Singer <al2chris@...>
 

shetils outside of Kiev: Stavicht and Boyerkah
names of people SPITZANEVSKY and LEVINE

Cherkass: VORONOFFSKY

Odessa: ARANOWITZ and ROSOFF

Al Singer
Schenectady NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you Las Vegas! #general

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
 

Those of us who are now at work preparing the 2006 IAJGS Conference in New
York City thank all of those who worked so hard at presenting a wonderful
conference. The feedback we have been getting echoes our feelings for a job
very well done.

You say, "What happens in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas." However, the warm
feelings of being together with others who are working on our very holy work
of Jewish genealogy, has been carried home by each of us.

We look forward to seeing everyone in New York City at the Marriott Marquis
starting on Sunday, August 13th through Friday, August 18th.

Gloria Berkenstat Freund
2006 Conference Program Committee Chair
New York, NY