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marriage of first cousins #general

jutel@...
 

In 1893, in Chicago, my great grandparents, first cousins,
married legally. that they were first cousins is family
knowledge, and has not been confirmed by my research.
However, what looks likely is that the bride lied about her
parents' names in order to obtain this legal marriage. Her
marriage certificate records her maiden name as ROSENBERG,
when both family knowledge, and my own research quite
clearly confirm that she was born DROZDOWITZ and married a
DROZDOWITZ. This deception on the marriage certificate
seems to indicate that marriage between first cousins was
not allowed in Illinois at the time.

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, New Zealand


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen marriage of first cousins #general

jutel@...
 

In 1893, in Chicago, my great grandparents, first cousins,
married legally. that they were first cousins is family
knowledge, and has not been confirmed by my research.
However, what looks likely is that the bride lied about her
parents' names in order to obtain this legal marriage. Her
marriage certificate records her maiden name as ROSENBERG,
when both family knowledge, and my own research quite
clearly confirm that she was born DROZDOWITZ and married a
DROZDOWITZ. This deception on the marriage certificate
seems to indicate that marriage between first cousins was
not allowed in Illinois at the time.

Annemarie Jutel
Wellington, New Zealand


NY first cousin marriage #general

Herbert Lazerow
 

NY Domestic Relations Law prohibits marriage between
sibs, ancestors and descendants, uncle and niece, aunt and nephew.
It does not prohibit marriages between first cousins. I cannot say
what the law provided in 1909.
A marriage between prohibited persons is void if contracted
in NY, or in any place where it is void. If a marriage between prohibited
persons, such as uncle and niece, is contracted in a state where such
a marriage is valid, NY will treat the marriage as valid.
Bert
Herbert Lazerow
U. of San Diego Law School, 5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110-2492
lazer@sandiego.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NY first cousin marriage #general

Herbert Lazerow
 

NY Domestic Relations Law prohibits marriage between
sibs, ancestors and descendants, uncle and niece, aunt and nephew.
It does not prohibit marriages between first cousins. I cannot say
what the law provided in 1909.
A marriage between prohibited persons is void if contracted
in NY, or in any place where it is void. If a marriage between prohibited
persons, such as uncle and niece, is contracted in a state where such
a marriage is valid, NY will treat the marriage as valid.
Bert
Herbert Lazerow
U. of San Diego Law School, 5998 Alcala Park, San Diego CA 92110-2492
lazer@sandiego.edu


Re: Looking For A Researcher in Poland #general

Dr. Steven B. Tesser
 

Dear JGG,
A very good (Polish, non-Jewish) friend of mine >from college
(Mathematics Ph.D.) lives in Poland, and his daughter, who was raised
both here and in Poland, just finished her second year at Princeton.
She is going back to visit for three weeks, beginning August 11, and
would like work doing either translation or geneological research while
over there. I can recommend them, intellectually and personally,
without question.


Hi Genners:
Has anyone had any experience with a researcher in Poland.

thanks Richard Florman Siegel
_rss1130@aol.com_
(mailto:rss1130@aol.com)

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's policy is that researchers
may not be recommended by name, and that any information
regarding researchers should be sent privately.
For contact information, email me.

Steven B. Tesser
stesser@nycap.rr.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking For A Researcher in Poland #general

Dr. Steven B. Tesser
 

Dear JGG,
A very good (Polish, non-Jewish) friend of mine >from college
(Mathematics Ph.D.) lives in Poland, and his daughter, who was raised
both here and in Poland, just finished her second year at Princeton.
She is going back to visit for three weeks, beginning August 11, and
would like work doing either translation or geneological research while
over there. I can recommend them, intellectually and personally,
without question.


Hi Genners:
Has anyone had any experience with a researcher in Poland.

thanks Richard Florman Siegel
_rss1130@aol.com_
(mailto:rss1130@aol.com)

MODERATOR NOTE: JewishGen's policy is that researchers
may not be recommended by name, and that any information
regarding researchers should be sent privately.
For contact information, email me.

Steven B. Tesser
stesser@nycap.rr.com


Searching: GLASNER, Wien, 1957 #general

David Glasner <daviditi@...>
 

Searching: GLASNER Adelheid lived in Wien 1957

A lady by this name (Christian) Married Michael GLASNER (He died at 1957) of
a Jewish family >from Trebich Moravia.
Their Daughter got the same first name as her mother !?
Question 1 -
Is it possible that the mother and her living daughter had the same name ?
What does it meen ?

Another Daughter of them Helena, married an orthodox Jew >from Hungary,
named Imre VANDOR.
Question 2 -
Any info about Helena and Imre VANDOR of Hungary ?
Any info of Vandor Family of Hungary ?

Thanks
David Glasner JGFF No 44798


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: GLASNER, Wien, 1957 #general

David Glasner <daviditi@...>
 

Searching: GLASNER Adelheid lived in Wien 1957

A lady by this name (Christian) Married Michael GLASNER (He died at 1957) of
a Jewish family >from Trebich Moravia.
Their Daughter got the same first name as her mother !?
Question 1 -
Is it possible that the mother and her living daughter had the same name ?
What does it meen ?

Another Daughter of them Helena, married an orthodox Jew >from Hungary,
named Imre VANDOR.
Question 2 -
Any info about Helena and Imre VANDOR of Hungary ?
Any info of Vandor Family of Hungary ?

Thanks
David Glasner JGFF No 44798


Thank you Hal Bookbinder #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear Hal,

Thank you for all the valuable work you did during your
term as president of IAJGS. Your leadership has been a
strong uniting force for the benefit of all Jewish genealogical
societies around the world.

You initiated some creative projects and expanded others,
which are useful to all of us and very much appreciated.
Mazel Tov!

We wish you continued success and satisfaction in
everything you undertake.

Sincerely,

Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal
VP & Program Chairman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you Hal Bookbinder #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear Hal,

Thank you for all the valuable work you did during your
term as president of IAJGS. Your leadership has been a
strong uniting force for the benefit of all Jewish genealogical
societies around the world.

You initiated some creative projects and expanded others,
which are useful to all of us and very much appreciated.
Mazel Tov!

We wish you continued success and satisfaction in
everything you undertake.

Sincerely,

Merle Kastner
JGS of Montreal
VP & Program Chairman


Need special MP3 equipment to listen to lectures? #latvia

lauragottlieb@juno.com <lauragottlieb@...>
 

Dear Carol,
I'm excited to hear that the IAJGS conference lectures are available
through the JewishGen Mall on CDs. However, I notice that they're in
MP3 format. Does that mean that one would need an MP3 player to listen
to them? Or will the CDs play on a computer or a boom box or CD-player? Any advice would be appreciated.
--Best, Laura

Laura Moss Gottlieb
Wisconsin, USA


Latvia SIG #Latvia Need special MP3 equipment to listen to lectures? #latvia

lauragottlieb@juno.com <lauragottlieb@...>
 

Dear Carol,
I'm excited to hear that the IAJGS conference lectures are available
through the JewishGen Mall on CDs. However, I notice that they're in
MP3 format. Does that mean that one would need an MP3 player to listen
to them? Or will the CDs play on a computer or a boom box or CD-player? Any advice would be appreciated.
--Best, Laura

Laura Moss Gottlieb
Wisconsin, USA


Did I find my great-grandmother? (Lithuanian Revision Lists) #general

sbloom@...
 

Hi,

I have been looking for my great grandmother, Chana Liba ROSENBERG, in
Lithuanian Revision List census records. I know she was >from Kovno or part
of the gubernia. I have recently found a listing in Salakas (part of Kovno
gubernia) for a Chana Liba Rozenberg with a sister Scheina Chaya (and I do
know that her sister ,Sadie, was called Scheine Chaya in Yiddish).
Interestingly enough, the parents' names seem to match too. I knew her
parents to be Yudah Leib + Bayla, and the census gives "Yudel + Baila
Golda" . I knew nothing of Salakas, but its not inconsistent with what I
have been told in the past. The only thing that might be off is that this
record seems to show that Bayla and Yudel were both dead before 1895, and
thats what other records say was Scheina Chaya's birth date. Of course,
those could easily be a few years off, since those dates are not >from a
birth record >from the time, but just a guess (probably) many years later.

I was wondering if folks had some reasonable input on whether they would
consider this a likely match.
If the names were more rare and I had heard the Salakas thing before, I'd
probably just say "yes, its a match", but with common surnames and given
names, I'm less sure. I doubt there are many more families with all of
those names matching, and in the Kovno gubernia, but it could be (I havent
seen any in these records). Also, how complete was the census? Do we have a
sense of what percentage were actually covered, and, more importantly, how
much of that census is actually in the database?

Steven Bloom
Farmville, VA


Childless in Florida #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

Thank you each and all for offering perspective & advice. There was a will
(lost), there was no probate. The letter was in response to a claim my
wife's mother made, on behalf of my wife, about 8 years ago. Many of the
emails suggested 1) that we ask the German authorities what they require
for proof of inheritance and 2) that we get notarized statements by
life-long friends of the deceased and submit them in lieu of. Good advice.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Did I find my great-grandmother? (Lithuanian Revision Lists) #general

sbloom@...
 

Hi,

I have been looking for my great grandmother, Chana Liba ROSENBERG, in
Lithuanian Revision List census records. I know she was >from Kovno or part
of the gubernia. I have recently found a listing in Salakas (part of Kovno
gubernia) for a Chana Liba Rozenberg with a sister Scheina Chaya (and I do
know that her sister ,Sadie, was called Scheine Chaya in Yiddish).
Interestingly enough, the parents' names seem to match too. I knew her
parents to be Yudah Leib + Bayla, and the census gives "Yudel + Baila
Golda" . I knew nothing of Salakas, but its not inconsistent with what I
have been told in the past. The only thing that might be off is that this
record seems to show that Bayla and Yudel were both dead before 1895, and
thats what other records say was Scheina Chaya's birth date. Of course,
those could easily be a few years off, since those dates are not >from a
birth record >from the time, but just a guess (probably) many years later.

I was wondering if folks had some reasonable input on whether they would
consider this a likely match.
If the names were more rare and I had heard the Salakas thing before, I'd
probably just say "yes, its a match", but with common surnames and given
names, I'm less sure. I doubt there are many more families with all of
those names matching, and in the Kovno gubernia, but it could be (I havent
seen any in these records). Also, how complete was the census? Do we have a
sense of what percentage were actually covered, and, more importantly, how
much of that census is actually in the database?

Steven Bloom
Farmville, VA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Childless in Florida #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

Thank you each and all for offering perspective & advice. There was a will
(lost), there was no probate. The letter was in response to a claim my
wife's mother made, on behalf of my wife, about 8 years ago. Many of the
emails suggested 1) that we ask the German authorities what they require
for proof of inheritance and 2) that we get notarized statements by
life-long friends of the deceased and submit them in lieu of. Good advice.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


Re: Jewish or English? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<MBernet@aol.com> wrote

==Germany did not exist as a unified nation before then but it did exist as
a cultural, linguistic and national area. In those respects it was quite
similar to the various colonies and later states that together developed into
the United States. Certainly England/Britain, France, Netherlands, Russia,
Austria-Hungary, Sweden, and Switzerland had existed by then as nation states
for some centuries, and even Italy had by then become a united monarchy.
I repeat my quote >from the articke as to how the Colonists are described in
this article about the Middle Colonies
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_059400_middlecoloni.htm.
The list of the colonists which is a combination of national and religious
origin includes Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Lutherans, German Baptists,
Swiss Pietists, Welsh Quakers, French Huguenots, Scots Presbyterians - note
the linkage of geographic area and religion.

The original question related to Colonial America and how nationality would
be referred to. I was merely pointing out when a unified Germany was formed
but the questioner was talking about an earlier period.

This was an era that predated passports but other than in a loose sense I
don't know what it meant. I know that my greatgrandfather was naturalised
British in 1871 but I don't know when that procedure was introduced.

Borders were changing all the time, and >from what you imply in the case of
Germany and Italy, the linguistic and national area became much the same.
Presumably people >from Poland were described as Polish although there was
rarely a Polish kingdom - that is unless you were German or Jewish, in which
case you regarded yourself as Austro-Hungarian and spoke German.

The Wikipedia article on nationalism says that the nation state was born in
1648 with the Treaty of Westphalia. It then says that until the nineteenth
century it was an elite phenomon. It says that multinational states such as
the Austro-Hungarian Empire began to lose their grip, and localised states
such merged into larger national entities eg Germany and Italy.

from 1815 to 1871 was formed the German Confederation.
I understand that the German mercenaries in Revolutionary America were and
are known as Hessians. We still talk about Prussian militarism, and much
reference is also made to Bavaria.

As far as Italy is concerned there is a political party, the Northern
League, that wants to secede >from the rest of Italy. I believe that Italians
are still identified mainly >from the region where they live or originate.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

PS You don't seem to have responded to my statement within the nesting that
should have occurred - that is it doesn't appear to the right of my posting
but immediately under it.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish or English? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<MBernet@aol.com> wrote

==Germany did not exist as a unified nation before then but it did exist as
a cultural, linguistic and national area. In those respects it was quite
similar to the various colonies and later states that together developed into
the United States. Certainly England/Britain, France, Netherlands, Russia,
Austria-Hungary, Sweden, and Switzerland had existed by then as nation states
for some centuries, and even Italy had by then become a united monarchy.
I repeat my quote >from the articke as to how the Colonists are described in
this article about the Middle Colonies
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_059400_middlecoloni.htm.
The list of the colonists which is a combination of national and religious
origin includes Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Lutherans, German Baptists,
Swiss Pietists, Welsh Quakers, French Huguenots, Scots Presbyterians - note
the linkage of geographic area and religion.

The original question related to Colonial America and how nationality would
be referred to. I was merely pointing out when a unified Germany was formed
but the questioner was talking about an earlier period.

This was an era that predated passports but other than in a loose sense I
don't know what it meant. I know that my greatgrandfather was naturalised
British in 1871 but I don't know when that procedure was introduced.

Borders were changing all the time, and >from what you imply in the case of
Germany and Italy, the linguistic and national area became much the same.
Presumably people >from Poland were described as Polish although there was
rarely a Polish kingdom - that is unless you were German or Jewish, in which
case you regarded yourself as Austro-Hungarian and spoke German.

The Wikipedia article on nationalism says that the nation state was born in
1648 with the Treaty of Westphalia. It then says that until the nineteenth
century it was an elite phenomon. It says that multinational states such as
the Austro-Hungarian Empire began to lose their grip, and localised states
such merged into larger national entities eg Germany and Italy.

from 1815 to 1871 was formed the German Confederation.
I understand that the German mercenaries in Revolutionary America were and
are known as Hessians. We still talk about Prussian militarism, and much
reference is also made to Bavaria.

As far as Italy is concerned there is a political party, the Northern
League, that wants to secede >from the rest of Italy. I believe that Italians
are still identified mainly >from the region where they live or originate.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

PS You don't seem to have responded to my statement within the nesting that
should have occurred - that is it doesn't appear to the right of my posting
but immediately under it.


NYC 2006 conference #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

To those who say that New York in August is way too hot...

Ask any of the 600+ couragous souls who ventured to Las Vegas in July of
this year for the 2005 conference if the weather prevented them >from having
a great conference.

Shelly Weiner
LV2005 Resource Room Chair

BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF..(Walkowisko)Poland -->Detroit MI
FELDMAN.. (Hungary) -->New Brunswick NJ
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH.. (Ostov) Russia -->Detroit MI
RYZI/RUZI/ROSSEN.. (Staraya Rafalovka, Ukraine) -->Detroit, MI
SMOLYAR/SMOLER/SMOLAR..(Vladimerets or Stahovka Ukraine) -->Detroit MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC 2006 conference #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

To those who say that New York in August is way too hot...

Ask any of the 600+ couragous souls who ventured to Las Vegas in July of
this year for the 2005 conference if the weather prevented them >from having
a great conference.

Shelly Weiner
LV2005 Resource Room Chair

BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF..(Walkowisko)Poland -->Detroit MI
FELDMAN.. (Hungary) -->New Brunswick NJ
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH.. (Ostov) Russia -->Detroit MI
RYZI/RUZI/ROSSEN.. (Staraya Rafalovka, Ukraine) -->Detroit, MI
SMOLYAR/SMOLER/SMOLAR..(Vladimerets or Stahovka Ukraine) -->Detroit MI