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Researching my Jewish origins: KOPPE, BISMARCK? #general

scott hardy <hardy_128@...>
 

To whom it may concern,

I have been researching my alleged Jewish origins for some time now on
JewishGen.

My family came >from Germany in 1880. Their name was KOPPE. My
greatgrandfather's name was Albert Herman Koppe. His father's name was
Ernest Koppe. His mother's name was Wilhelmina Bismarck Koppe. My aunt
told me that Koppe was a derivative of the name Jacobs. My
greatgrandfather's mother was an illegitamate daughter of Otto Von Bismarck.
I am wondering if Bismarck could have been of Jewish descent, because I
noticed that his mother's maiden name was Mencken. I have seen this name
many times on JewishGen.

I would appreciate any help >from anybody out there.

Raymond Hardy


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researching my Jewish origins: KOPPE, BISMARCK? #general

scott hardy <hardy_128@...>
 

To whom it may concern,

I have been researching my alleged Jewish origins for some time now on
JewishGen.

My family came >from Germany in 1880. Their name was KOPPE. My
greatgrandfather's name was Albert Herman Koppe. His father's name was
Ernest Koppe. His mother's name was Wilhelmina Bismarck Koppe. My aunt
told me that Koppe was a derivative of the name Jacobs. My
greatgrandfather's mother was an illegitamate daughter of Otto Von Bismarck.
I am wondering if Bismarck could have been of Jewish descent, because I
noticed that his mother's maiden name was Mencken. I have seen this name
many times on JewishGen.

I would appreciate any help >from anybody out there.

Raymond Hardy


Re: Were cousin marriages legal in NY in 1909? #general

Linda Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Define "cousin" before jumping to conclusions. In many families "cousins"
are not necessarily blood relatives. In my family there were plenty of
cousins who married. Most were not blood relationships. There are a lot of
step and half relationships, and there were a lot of marriages within the
step and half families. It all depends on how we define kin.

Linda ALtman
Rlaeigh, North Carolina
familysearch@bellsouth.net

"Israel P" <IsraelP@pikholz.org> wrote

An aunt of my mother's married a man who may have been her first cousin,
in 1909 in Manhattan.

I have ordered the marriage record, intending to see the parents' names,
but it occurs to me that if NY did not allow cousin marriages, the
information on the marriage record may be phoney. (There were recent
immigrants >from Russia and may not have had independent birth
documentation.)

Am I worrying for naught?

Israel Pickholtz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Were cousin marriages legal in NY in 1909? #general

Linda Altman <familysearch@...>
 

Define "cousin" before jumping to conclusions. In many families "cousins"
are not necessarily blood relatives. In my family there were plenty of
cousins who married. Most were not blood relationships. There are a lot of
step and half relationships, and there were a lot of marriages within the
step and half families. It all depends on how we define kin.

Linda ALtman
Rlaeigh, North Carolina
familysearch@bellsouth.net

"Israel P" <IsraelP@pikholz.org> wrote

An aunt of my mother's married a man who may have been her first cousin,
in 1909 in Manhattan.

I have ordered the marriage record, intending to see the parents' names,
but it occurs to me that if NY did not allow cousin marriages, the
information on the marriage record may be phoney. (There were recent
immigrants >from Russia and may not have had independent birth
documentation.)

Am I worrying for naught?

Israel Pickholtz


Searching: LEAF nee LIEBERMAN/LIFSCHITZ/LOEW/LEV Original Shtetls and/or Gubernias #general

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

In an effort to determine the exact origin shtetl and/or gubernia of our
LEAF family, listed below are the given names within the descendants of two
brothers =96 Joseph Osher LEAF nee LIFSCHITZ and Shimshon LEAF nee
LIEBERMAN/LOEW (pronounced LEV).

Just recently 25 year old information has been sent to us that the family
could have been >from Latvia. A member OBM of the Joseph Osher LEAF family
had memory of being told her father was originally >from Odessa, Ukraine.

According to the Ellis Island Data Base, via www.stevemorse.org, the
Shimshon LEAF family came >from Swislowitz, Russia (now Swisloch in Belarus.)
This information is confusing since there are three different possible
locations of where our family began.

Joseph Osher LIFSCHITZ (as we believe) was married to Basha JASELOFF

Descendants' given names:

Sampson (Shmuel)
Sarah (Sorah -- maybe)
Harry Aaron (Hershel Aharon)
Anna (Channah)

Shimshon LIEBERMAN/LOEW was married to Alter Neome AIN

Descendants' given names:

Samuel Isaiah (Shmuel Yishaiah)
Max (Mendel)
Morris (Moshe)

If anyone has these names on their family tree, I would greatly appreciate
hearing >from you, privately.

Rachelle LEAF Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching: Family surnames included in text of post.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: LEAF nee LIEBERMAN/LIFSCHITZ/LOEW/LEV Original Shtetls and/or Gubernias #general

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

In an effort to determine the exact origin shtetl and/or gubernia of our
LEAF family, listed below are the given names within the descendants of two
brothers =96 Joseph Osher LEAF nee LIFSCHITZ and Shimshon LEAF nee
LIEBERMAN/LOEW (pronounced LEV).

Just recently 25 year old information has been sent to us that the family
could have been >from Latvia. A member OBM of the Joseph Osher LEAF family
had memory of being told her father was originally >from Odessa, Ukraine.

According to the Ellis Island Data Base, via www.stevemorse.org, the
Shimshon LEAF family came >from Swislowitz, Russia (now Swisloch in Belarus.)
This information is confusing since there are three different possible
locations of where our family began.

Joseph Osher LIFSCHITZ (as we believe) was married to Basha JASELOFF

Descendants' given names:

Sampson (Shmuel)
Sarah (Sorah -- maybe)
Harry Aaron (Hershel Aharon)
Anna (Channah)

Shimshon LIEBERMAN/LOEW was married to Alter Neome AIN

Descendants' given names:

Samuel Isaiah (Shmuel Yishaiah)
Max (Mendel)
Morris (Moshe)

If anyone has these names on their family tree, I would greatly appreciate
hearing >from you, privately.

Rachelle LEAF Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net

Searching: Family surnames included in text of post.


Searching: LEAF nee LIEBERMAN/LIFSCHITZ/LOEW/LEV Original Shtetls and/or Gubernias #belarus

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

In an effort to determine the exact origin shtetl and/or gubernia of our
LEAF family, listed below are the given names within the descendants of two
brothers Joseph Osher LEAF nee LIFSCHITZ and Shimshon LEAF nee
LIEBERMAN/LOEW (pronounced LEV).
Just recently 25 year old information has been sent to us that the family
could have been >from Latvia. A member OBM of the Joseph Osher LEAF family
had memory of being told her father was originally >from Odessa, Ukraine.

According to the Ellis Island Data Base, via www.stevemorse.org, the
Shimshon LEAF family came >from Swislowitz, Russia (now Swisloch in Belarus.)
This information is confusing since there are three different possible
locations of where our family began.
Joseph Osher LIFSCHITZ (as we believe) was married to Basha JASELOFF
Descendants given names:
Sampson (Shmuel)
Sarah (Sorah maybe)
Harry Aaron (Hershel Aharon)
Anna (Channah)
Shimshon LIEBERMAN/LOEW was married to Alter Neome AIN
Descendants given names:
Samuel Isaiah (Shmuel Yishaiah)
Max (Mendel)
Morris (Moshe)

If anyone has these names on their family tree, I would greatly
appreciate hearing >from you, privately.

Rachelle LEAF Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching: LEAF nee LIEBERMAN/LIFSCHITZ/LOEW/LEV Original Shtetls and/or Gubernias #belarus

Rachelle <rlberliner@...>
 

In an effort to determine the exact origin shtetl and/or gubernia of our
LEAF family, listed below are the given names within the descendants of two
brothers Joseph Osher LEAF nee LIFSCHITZ and Shimshon LEAF nee
LIEBERMAN/LOEW (pronounced LEV).
Just recently 25 year old information has been sent to us that the family
could have been >from Latvia. A member OBM of the Joseph Osher LEAF family
had memory of being told her father was originally >from Odessa, Ukraine.

According to the Ellis Island Data Base, via www.stevemorse.org, the
Shimshon LEAF family came >from Swislowitz, Russia (now Swisloch in Belarus.)
This information is confusing since there are three different possible
locations of where our family began.
Joseph Osher LIFSCHITZ (as we believe) was married to Basha JASELOFF
Descendants given names:
Sampson (Shmuel)
Sarah (Sorah maybe)
Harry Aaron (Hershel Aharon)
Anna (Channah)
Shimshon LIEBERMAN/LOEW was married to Alter Neome AIN
Descendants given names:
Samuel Isaiah (Shmuel Yishaiah)
Max (Mendel)
Morris (Moshe)

If anyone has these names on their family tree, I would greatly
appreciate hearing >from you, privately.

Rachelle LEAF Berliner
Savannah, GA
rlberliner@comcast.net


Ivye Question #belarus

Charles Epstein <cepstein@...>
 

Hi Folks,

I'm trying to prepare a basic genealogy of my family. My grandfather's name
was Yitzchak Yaakov EPSZHTEIN. All I know is that he was a blacksmith in Ivye.
I've read the Necrology (I own a copy), and nothing is really mentioned.

My questions is thus: Does anyone know how I can contact any Ivye survivors
to ask them if they recall my family members.

Thanks in advance,

Charles Epstein
MODERATOR NOTE: A search of the JewishGen Family Finder (www.jewishgen.org/jgff)
shows 42 people researching the town of Iwye, Belarus! Also the Pages of Testimony
at Yad Vashem are online (www.yadvashem.org)


Belarus SIG #Belarus Ivye Question #belarus

Charles Epstein <cepstein@...>
 

Hi Folks,

I'm trying to prepare a basic genealogy of my family. My grandfather's name
was Yitzchak Yaakov EPSZHTEIN. All I know is that he was a blacksmith in Ivye.
I've read the Necrology (I own a copy), and nothing is really mentioned.

My questions is thus: Does anyone know how I can contact any Ivye survivors
to ask them if they recall my family members.

Thanks in advance,

Charles Epstein
MODERATOR NOTE: A search of the JewishGen Family Finder (www.jewishgen.org/jgff)
shows 42 people researching the town of Iwye, Belarus! Also the Pages of Testimony
at Yad Vashem are online (www.yadvashem.org)


Grodno - Book #belarus

aviram <ajaviram@...>
 

Aryeh Lopiansky inquired regarding a recently published scholarly book on
Grodno.
I am aware of only one such book (in Hebrew): "Ze Lo Ota Grodno" (Grodno is
Not the Same) by Tikva Fatal-Knaani, published by Yad Vashem in 2001.

Jerry Aviram
Tel-Aviv


Belarus SIG #Belarus Grodno - Book #belarus

aviram <ajaviram@...>
 

Aryeh Lopiansky inquired regarding a recently published scholarly book on
Grodno.
I am aware of only one such book (in Hebrew): "Ze Lo Ota Grodno" (Grodno is
Not the Same) by Tikva Fatal-Knaani, published by Yad Vashem in 2001.

Jerry Aviram
Tel-Aviv


Russian translation needed for two memorial stones for Holocaust victims #general

Lisa
 

Is there someone who would be willing to translate the Russian for me on two
memorial headstones which are by mass graves of Holocaust victims? I have
photos that I can scan to you.

Please respond privately.
Many thanks,

Lisa Brahin Weinblatt
Redball62@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Another option for translations is ViewMate at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ . Scanned images can be
uploaded for public viewing.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Russian translation needed for two memorial stones for Holocaust victims #general

Lisa
 

Is there someone who would be willing to translate the Russian for me on two
memorial headstones which are by mass graves of Holocaust victims? I have
photos that I can scan to you.

Please respond privately.
Many thanks,

Lisa Brahin Weinblatt
Redball62@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Another option for translations is ViewMate at
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ . Scanned images can be
uploaded for public viewing.


Re: Researching my Jewish origins: KOPPE, BISMARCK? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

scott hardy <hardy_128@hotmail.com> wrote:

My family came >from Germany in 1880. Their name was KOPPE. My
greatgrandfather's name was Albert Herman Koppe. His father's name was
Ernest Koppe. His mother's name was Wilhelmina Bismarck Koppe. My aunt
told me that Koppe was a derivative of the name Jacobs.
Sort of. Ancestry.com
<http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?fid=10&ln=Koppe&o_xid=9879&o_lid=9879>
quotes the Dictionary of American Family Names saying that Koppe is North
German, >from Low German Köppe, a pet form of Jakob, German form of Jacob.

My
greatgrandfather's mother was an illegitamate daughter of Otto Von Bismarck.
I am wondering if Bismarck could have been of Jewish descent, because I
noticed that his mother's maiden name was Mencken. I have seen this name
many times on JewishGen.
I think Prince Otto must be spinning in his grave at that suggestion.

The fact is that many German surnames are used both by Jews and non-Jews,
so they generally don't provide evidence of Jewish origin.

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Researching my Jewish origins: KOPPE, BISMARCK? #general

Robert Israel <israel@...>
 

scott hardy <hardy_128@hotmail.com> wrote:

My family came >from Germany in 1880. Their name was KOPPE. My
greatgrandfather's name was Albert Herman Koppe. His father's name was
Ernest Koppe. His mother's name was Wilhelmina Bismarck Koppe. My aunt
told me that Koppe was a derivative of the name Jacobs.
Sort of. Ancestry.com
<http://www.ancestry.com/learn/facts/Fact.aspx?fid=10&ln=Koppe&o_xid=9879&o_lid=9879>
quotes the Dictionary of American Family Names saying that Koppe is North
German, >from Low German Köppe, a pet form of Jakob, German form of Jacob.

My
greatgrandfather's mother was an illegitamate daughter of Otto Von Bismarck.
I am wondering if Bismarck could have been of Jewish descent, because I
noticed that his mother's maiden name was Mencken. I have seen this name
many times on JewishGen.
I think Prince Otto must be spinning in his grave at that suggestion.

The fact is that many German surnames are used both by Jews and non-Jews,
so they generally don't provide evidence of Jewish origin.

Robert Israel israel@math.ubc.ca
Vancouver, BC, Canada


Re: Galician names #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

"Tuvia" is an ancient hebrew name.

My uncle, who emmigrated as a child >from Poland (Brest) to the USA , was
named Tuvia. I found this out only years after his death, >from his
tombstone. Its very surprising since I knew him, as it also appears on the
tombstone, that his American name was David-what could be more biblical than
David.

My guess is that since he came to the states a a very young child he only
had a hebrew name. Maybe my grandfather was told that when he gets to the
states he should give his son a nice american name (sounding like Tuvia?)
which may have been the name David.

Shabbat Shalom

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Efrat, Israel

Have any of you heard the male given names Tewil
or Juer/Jur Ber? These are listed on the JRI-Poland
Indexes for my g-g-uncle and g-g-grandfather
respectively. Neither names nor variations are listed
on the Galician given names databases.
As always, I appreciate your help. Thank you.
Shari Kantrow
Sender: Shari Joy Kantrow <sjoysk@yahoo.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Galician names #general

ben-ari <yrcdi@...>
 

"Tuvia" is an ancient hebrew name.

My uncle, who emmigrated as a child >from Poland (Brest) to the USA , was
named Tuvia. I found this out only years after his death, >from his
tombstone. Its very surprising since I knew him, as it also appears on the
tombstone, that his American name was David-what could be more biblical than
David.

My guess is that since he came to the states a a very young child he only
had a hebrew name. Maybe my grandfather was told that when he gets to the
states he should give his son a nice american name (sounding like Tuvia?)
which may have been the name David.

Shabbat Shalom

Yoni Ben-Ari (Katzoff), Efrat, Israel

Have any of you heard the male given names Tewil
or Juer/Jur Ber? These are listed on the JRI-Poland
Indexes for my g-g-uncle and g-g-grandfather
respectively. Neither names nor variations are listed
on the Galician given names databases.
As always, I appreciate your help. Thank you.
Shari Kantrow
Sender: Shari Joy Kantrow <sjoysk@yahoo.com>


Re: First Jews in England #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Jonathan Allen" <jonathan@barumtrading.co.uk> wrote

Nick < tulse04-news@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:
The title is a crowdpuller but it refers to the period 1720-1913. Clearly
these are not known to the vast majority of metropolitan UK Jews, but there
were synagogues in many of the small towns all over England eg Exeter,
Plymouth, and Bristol.
There still *are* synagogues in Exeter, Plymouth and Bristol, although
only the latter has a diversity (Orthodox and Progressive/Liberal) and
rabbis. Plymouth has services each Shabbat morning and Exeter alternates
between Orthodox and Progressive style services and leadership.
That was not my point. And I then should have chosen places where there are
not now synagogues eg Falmouth. Like the Asian population in England today,
and the Jews in South Africa (see the book by the author/emeritus professor
of English Dan Jacobson) the Jews were shopkeepers/traders and you have to
go where the business is.

http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/brit/england.html lists the following
places as having cemeteries or Jewish burials post-1656:

Bath
Birmingham
Brighton
Bristol:
Chatham: Kent
Cheltenham:
Cornwall:
Darlington:
Durham: See Newcastle Upon Tyne And Sunderland
Exeter: (Devon)
Falmouth:
Gateshead:
Gloucester:
Great Yarmouth , Norfolk
Grimsby:
Hartlepool:
Honiton, Devon
Hull: Humberside
Ipswich :
King's Lynn:
Leeds:
Liverpool :
Manchester:
Middlesbrough:
Newcastle Upon Tyne
Northampton: Kent ??
Norwich:
North Shields
Oxford :
Penzance:
Plymouth:
Portsmouth & Southsea: (Hants)
Preston: Lancs
Ramsgate:
Sheffield:
Southampton:
Southend & Westcliff: (Essex)
South Shields
Southwold: Suffolk
Stockton:
Sunderland:
Surrey:
Whitley Bay:

It doesn't mention >from my own knowledge

Reading
Nottingham
Cardiff
Bangor
Bognor, West Sussex

At times, particularly during the War, communities were set up elsewhere eg
Bedford, Luton, Letchworth (see the recent correspondence in the London JC).

This is not exhaustive.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Jews in England #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Jonathan Allen" <jonathan@barumtrading.co.uk> wrote

Nick < tulse04-news@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:
The title is a crowdpuller but it refers to the period 1720-1913. Clearly
these are not known to the vast majority of metropolitan UK Jews, but there
were synagogues in many of the small towns all over England eg Exeter,
Plymouth, and Bristol.
There still *are* synagogues in Exeter, Plymouth and Bristol, although
only the latter has a diversity (Orthodox and Progressive/Liberal) and
rabbis. Plymouth has services each Shabbat morning and Exeter alternates
between Orthodox and Progressive style services and leadership.
That was not my point. And I then should have chosen places where there are
not now synagogues eg Falmouth. Like the Asian population in England today,
and the Jews in South Africa (see the book by the author/emeritus professor
of English Dan Jacobson) the Jews were shopkeepers/traders and you have to
go where the business is.

http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery/brit/england.html lists the following
places as having cemeteries or Jewish burials post-1656:

Bath
Birmingham
Brighton
Bristol:
Chatham: Kent
Cheltenham:
Cornwall:
Darlington:
Durham: See Newcastle Upon Tyne And Sunderland
Exeter: (Devon)
Falmouth:
Gateshead:
Gloucester:
Great Yarmouth , Norfolk
Grimsby:
Hartlepool:
Honiton, Devon
Hull: Humberside
Ipswich :
King's Lynn:
Leeds:
Liverpool :
Manchester:
Middlesbrough:
Newcastle Upon Tyne
Northampton: Kent ??
Norwich:
North Shields
Oxford :
Penzance:
Plymouth:
Portsmouth & Southsea: (Hants)
Preston: Lancs
Ramsgate:
Sheffield:
Southampton:
Southend & Westcliff: (Essex)
South Shields
Southwold: Suffolk
Stockton:
Sunderland:
Surrey:
Whitley Bay:

It doesn't mention >from my own knowledge

Reading
Nottingham
Cardiff
Bangor
Bognor, West Sussex

At times, particularly during the War, communities were set up elsewhere eg
Bedford, Luton, Letchworth (see the recent correspondence in the London JC).

This is not exhaustive.

--
Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus