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Fleischhauer an occupation? and Sumptuary laws #austria-czech

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Hi fellow SIGGERS.

Today comes a new question in the occupation business. I am in receipt of
papers >from the Narodni Archiv in Prague. They have discovered a marriage
for me between Josef PODWINETZ of Grottau (Hradek) son of Markus PODWINETZ
and Julie GOLDBERG (perhaps a cousin marriage) of Jungbunzlau; and
Betty FLASCHNER daughter of Abraham FLASCHNER, Fleischhauer, and Amalie
WUNDER his wife, of Bphmisch Leipa.

What is a Fleischhauer? I looked in a German Dictionary and found no such
word, but "hauer" means tusks and of course "fleisch" is flesh or meat. I
found a verb, "hauen" which means to beat, but flesh beater makes to sense
either.

A word about taxes on "luxury" foods.

I don't know much about Jewish history but I do know a bit about History at
large. In the middle ages (actually there are origins in Rome of the
Ceasars) there were so-called sumptuary laws which defined what one could
wear as defined by ones station in life. Colors and types of garments were
defined in this way.

Could the rules governing what Jewish people could buy to eat, and levying
taxes on certain items have been a way of defining a group as a way to keep
them down, as was the case with sumptuary laws in earlier times?

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Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Fleischhauer an occupation? and Sumptuary laws #austria-czech

peter bakos <pgbakos@...>
 

Hi fellow SIGGERS.

Today comes a new question in the occupation business. I am in receipt of
papers >from the Narodni Archiv in Prague. They have discovered a marriage
for me between Josef PODWINETZ of Grottau (Hradek) son of Markus PODWINETZ
and Julie GOLDBERG (perhaps a cousin marriage) of Jungbunzlau; and
Betty FLASCHNER daughter of Abraham FLASCHNER, Fleischhauer, and Amalie
WUNDER his wife, of Bphmisch Leipa.

What is a Fleischhauer? I looked in a German Dictionary and found no such
word, but "hauer" means tusks and of course "fleisch" is flesh or meat. I
found a verb, "hauen" which means to beat, but flesh beater makes to sense
either.

A word about taxes on "luxury" foods.

I don't know much about Jewish history but I do know a bit about History at
large. In the middle ages (actually there are origins in Rome of the
Ceasars) there were so-called sumptuary laws which defined what one could
wear as defined by ones station in life. Colors and types of garments were
defined in this way.

Could the rules governing what Jewish people could buy to eat, and levying
taxes on certain items have been a way of defining a group as a way to keep
them down, as was the case with sumptuary laws in earlier times?

MODERATOR NOTE: Please sign posts with your full name as well
as country/state/city etc. This is JewishGen policy as well as good
etiquette.


Re: U.S.Census #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Where do you live, Ann? In Fort Wayne, IN or
Cleveland, OH? Very few libraries that I know of have
all the censuses for all over the US.

Of course, you can order them at the LDS. Big cities
might have some or all of the censuses for that city,
but not for elsewhere.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: U.S.Census #general

Sally Bruckheimer
 

Where do you live, Ann? In Fort Wayne, IN or
Cleveland, OH? Very few libraries that I know of have
all the censuses for all over the US.

Of course, you can order them at the LDS. Big cities
might have some or all of the censuses for that city,
but not for elsewhere.

Sally Bruckheimer
Chatham, NJ


Needing translation from Russian, please #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I have just posted a birth record, written in Russian, on
Viewmate. The file is listed as VM6616 and can be
seen in the To View section at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate

Would some kind person be able to translate this document
for me (mostly the basic facts would be fine)?

Thanks so much.
Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
merlek@videotron.ca
Researching:
KASTNER & OSTFELD, Radauti, Bukovina; ALTMAN, Belchatow, Poland;
NATHANSON & MENDELSSOHN, Piatra Neamt, Negulesti, Falticeni, Romania;
DENENBERG/DYNABURSKI & GARBARSKI/GOLDBERG,
Sejny, Suwalki gubernia, Poland, New York, NY;
KUSSNER, Bendery, Bessarabia/Moldova, Philadelphia, PA;
MILLER/SZCZUCZYNSKI, Lida, Vilnius, Lithuania/Belarus, Philadelphia, PA.

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Needing translation from Russian, please #general

Merle Kastner <merlek@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I have just posted a birth record, written in Russian, on
Viewmate. The file is listed as VM6616 and can be
seen in the To View section at:

http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate

Would some kind person be able to translate this document
for me (mostly the basic facts would be fine)?

Thanks so much.
Merle Kastner
Montreal, Canada
merlek@videotron.ca
Researching:
KASTNER & OSTFELD, Radauti, Bukovina; ALTMAN, Belchatow, Poland;
NATHANSON & MENDELSSOHN, Piatra Neamt, Negulesti, Falticeni, Romania;
DENENBERG/DYNABURSKI & GARBARSKI/GOLDBERG,
Sejny, Suwalki gubernia, Poland, New York, NY;
KUSSNER, Bendery, Bessarabia/Moldova, Philadelphia, PA;
MILLER/SZCZUCZYNSKI, Lida, Vilnius, Lithuania/Belarus, Philadelphia, PA.

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use http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=6616 .
To read how to use ViewMate, go to http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate .


GenPro format #general

Sam Wolff <baalh@...>
 

Somebody sent me his family tree information written
on GenPro format. Can anybody provide me with
information on how to open this file? I use
FamilyTreeMaker2005.

Thanks,

Sam WOLFF, Jerusalem (formerly Chicago)

researching HARAVON and AMADO, Craiova; WOLFF, Braila; LIGIER, Bulgaria;
SACHS, Prussia/Baltimore; SCHWEITZER, Russia/Chicago; FEIBEL, Germany;
GOROVOY, Belarus/Chicago; BASKIN, Pinsk/Chicago; ROJESKY, Ukraine/Minneapolis;
GORDON, Russia/Minnesota; KOSSOWER/KASSOWER/KAUFMAN and BERLEWI, Nowy Dwor,
Poland/Chicago and TUCHTEN, Bucharest/Chicago.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send technical help privately. If Sam finds a
solution, he can post it all to see.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GenPro format #general

Sam Wolff <baalh@...>
 

Somebody sent me his family tree information written
on GenPro format. Can anybody provide me with
information on how to open this file? I use
FamilyTreeMaker2005.

Thanks,

Sam WOLFF, Jerusalem (formerly Chicago)

researching HARAVON and AMADO, Craiova; WOLFF, Braila; LIGIER, Bulgaria;
SACHS, Prussia/Baltimore; SCHWEITZER, Russia/Chicago; FEIBEL, Germany;
GOROVOY, Belarus/Chicago; BASKIN, Pinsk/Chicago; ROJESKY, Ukraine/Minneapolis;
GORDON, Russia/Minnesota; KOSSOWER/KASSOWER/KAUFMAN and BERLEWI, Nowy Dwor,
Poland/Chicago and TUCHTEN, Bucharest/Chicago.

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send technical help privately. If Sam finds a
solution, he can post it all to see.


Thanks re William PRINCE #general

Pamela Prince <meowkatt2002@...>
 

I just wanted to thank everyone who aswered my questions. I had quite a few
because I've been searching for family pretty willy nilly(does anyone say
that anymore?) I cannot believe all the people that offered to look up
things for me & who did look them up. This is the nicest list I have ever
been on, & I've been on a few. I even found out an error I had & the correct
year of my grandfathers birth & arrival in US. Those 2 things will really
help so much. Thanks again. Pam Prince
Searching: PRINCE, William b 1896, bro. Benjamin b.1888. Left Brest -Litovsk
1910.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thanks re William PRINCE #general

Pamela Prince <meowkatt2002@...>
 

I just wanted to thank everyone who aswered my questions. I had quite a few
because I've been searching for family pretty willy nilly(does anyone say
that anymore?) I cannot believe all the people that offered to look up
things for me & who did look them up. This is the nicest list I have ever
been on, & I've been on a few. I even found out an error I had & the correct
year of my grandfathers birth & arrival in US. Those 2 things will really
help so much. Thanks again. Pam Prince
Searching: PRINCE, William b 1896, bro. Benjamin b.1888. Left Brest -Litovsk
1910.


FEEFHS Conference This Month in St. Paul #general

Mike Posnick
 

Federation Of East European Family History Societies

11th International Genealogy Conference

August 19-21, 2005

Four Points by Sheraton, Saint Paul Capitol
400 North Hamline Avenue
Saint Paul, Minnesota

More than 90 Presentations by Expert Speakers, Including:

* Gary Cohen, Professor of History, University of Minnesota

* Judith R. Frazin, Immediate Past President, Jewish Genealogical Society
of Illinois

* Howard Margol, Past President, International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies

* Joanne M. Sher, Professional Genealogist and Director, Jewish Historical
Society of the Upper Midwest

* Joel Spector, Immediate Past President, Jewish Genealogical Society of
Greater Philadelphia

Open to the Public Beginners Welcome

Registration: $75.00 Friday or Saturday Only; $60.00 Sunday Only; $135.00
Entire Conference

Further Information and Registration Forms Available On-Line at
www.feefhs.org

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FEEFHS Conference This Month in St. Paul #general

Mike Posnick
 

Federation Of East European Family History Societies

11th International Genealogy Conference

August 19-21, 2005

Four Points by Sheraton, Saint Paul Capitol
400 North Hamline Avenue
Saint Paul, Minnesota

More than 90 Presentations by Expert Speakers, Including:

* Gary Cohen, Professor of History, University of Minnesota

* Judith R. Frazin, Immediate Past President, Jewish Genealogical Society
of Illinois

* Howard Margol, Past President, International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies

* Joanne M. Sher, Professional Genealogist and Director, Jewish Historical
Society of the Upper Midwest

* Joel Spector, Immediate Past President, Jewish Genealogical Society of
Greater Philadelphia

Open to the Public Beginners Welcome

Registration: $75.00 Friday or Saturday Only; $60.00 Sunday Only; $135.00
Entire Conference

Further Information and Registration Forms Available On-Line at
www.feefhs.org

Mike Posnick
Minneapolis, Minnesota


JGS of Greater Philadelphia First Annual Jewish Genealogy Seminar -- Sunday, September 18 #general

Mark Halpern
 

Dear Friends:

If you live in the Philadelphia area and are interested in beginning or
re-starting your family history journey or want to brush up on your
skills and/or resources for research, you should join JGSGP members at
the First Annual Jewish Genealogy Seminar, "Jewish Family Heritage -
Connecting to Your Past," sponsored by JGSGP and the Kehillah of Old
York Road.

The Seminar will be held Sunday, September 18, 2005 >from 1:00 - 5:00 PM
at Adath Jeshurun Congregation, 7763 Old York Road, Elkins Park, PA
19027.

This half-day seminar is for those who would like to begin and those who
have begun their journey back to their Jewish family history. Four
experienced Jewish Genealogists >from the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Greater Philadelphia -- Felicia Mode Alexander, Mark Halpern, Joan
Goldman Rosen, and Joel Spector -- will provide instruction in subjects
of importance to Jews searching their roots in the US and back to
Eastern Europe.

Seminar Fee is $15 for JGSGP members, $20 for non-members, and $40 for
non-members including 2005/2006 JGSGP membership. Seminar Fee covers
class materials, a copy of "Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy" by Gary
Mokotoff and Warren Blatt, and Kosher refreshments. Register Now --
Don't Delay. Space is Limited

Registration begins at 12:30 PM. The Seminar begins at 1:00 PM. The
Seminar will cover "Getting Started," "Methodology," "Resources - both
US and European," and "Special Topics - such as Internet and Holocaust
Research."

Tell your Philadelphia area friends and family who would benefit from
taking this Seminar.

The Seminar Brochure is available by email in PDF and Microsoft Word
format or by snail mail. Contact Mark Halpern by email at
mark@halpern.com or jgsgp@comcast.net or by phone at 610-363-7956 for a
brochure or further information..

Hope to see you on September 18.

Mark Halpern
President, JGS of Greater Philadelphia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS of Greater Philadelphia First Annual Jewish Genealogy Seminar -- Sunday, September 18 #general

Mark Halpern
 

Dear Friends:

If you live in the Philadelphia area and are interested in beginning or
re-starting your family history journey or want to brush up on your
skills and/or resources for research, you should join JGSGP members at
the First Annual Jewish Genealogy Seminar, "Jewish Family Heritage -
Connecting to Your Past," sponsored by JGSGP and the Kehillah of Old
York Road.

The Seminar will be held Sunday, September 18, 2005 >from 1:00 - 5:00 PM
at Adath Jeshurun Congregation, 7763 Old York Road, Elkins Park, PA
19027.

This half-day seminar is for those who would like to begin and those who
have begun their journey back to their Jewish family history. Four
experienced Jewish Genealogists >from the Jewish Genealogical Society of
Greater Philadelphia -- Felicia Mode Alexander, Mark Halpern, Joan
Goldman Rosen, and Joel Spector -- will provide instruction in subjects
of importance to Jews searching their roots in the US and back to
Eastern Europe.

Seminar Fee is $15 for JGSGP members, $20 for non-members, and $40 for
non-members including 2005/2006 JGSGP membership. Seminar Fee covers
class materials, a copy of "Getting Started in Jewish Genealogy" by Gary
Mokotoff and Warren Blatt, and Kosher refreshments. Register Now --
Don't Delay. Space is Limited

Registration begins at 12:30 PM. The Seminar begins at 1:00 PM. The
Seminar will cover "Getting Started," "Methodology," "Resources - both
US and European," and "Special Topics - such as Internet and Holocaust
Research."

Tell your Philadelphia area friends and family who would benefit from
taking this Seminar.

The Seminar Brochure is available by email in PDF and Microsoft Word
format or by snail mail. Contact Mark Halpern by email at
mark@halpern.com or jgsgp@comcast.net or by phone at 610-363-7956 for a
brochure or further information..

Hope to see you on September 18.

Mark Halpern
President, JGS of Greater Philadelphia


Re: Publishing genealogies #general

TE <tome1111@...>
 

Genealogies should not be published. They should be given to family
members, only. You must honor your cousin's request. In fact, you should
get every family member's approval before you publish it.

Genealogies should not be published without consent >from every living
relative.

Tom Erribe
CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Publishing genealogies #general

TE <tome1111@...>
 

Genealogies should not be published. They should be given to family
members, only. You must honor your cousin's request. In fact, you should
get every family member's approval before you publish it.

Genealogies should not be published without consent >from every living
relative.

Tom Erribe
CA


Re: MARGULIES/MARGOLIOTH Rabbinic Dynasty #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper
 

On 2005.08.02, Karen Rosenfeld Roekard <roekard@lmi.net> asked:

> [...] If, for example, a son became anything other than a rabbi
> [...] would he still be listed on these family charts [...]? Are
> the daughters all included [...]? Is there no consistency and it
> just depends on the information that was available to Wunder in
> his research? Is he totally, absolutely all inclusive and the
> final word or are there other sources?

Rabbi Wunder in his Encyclopedia Meorei Galitzia has my mother's uncle
Rabbi Aharon Yehuda ARAK's picture placed near the family tree headed
on top by Rabbi Aharon Yehuda ARAK his grandfather. Near the picture
on the other side it incorrectly says my mother's uncle Rabbi Aharon
Yehuda ARAK's father was a brother of Rav Meir ARAK. This is incorrect
as both my mother's uncle Rabbi Aharon Yehuda ARAK and his
brotherinlaw the Kishiniver Rebbe wrote in Sforim that my mother's
uncle was the son of a sister of Rav Meir ARAK named Hinda Renki ARAK.
My mother's aunt told me the same that her father was Rav Shmuel (ben
Aharon) (STERNKLAR) ARAK and that her mother was the sister of Rav
Meir ARAK. Rav Shmuel ARAK acquired the name ARAK after he married Rav
Meir ARAK's sister Hinda. Further as told me by my mother's aunt, Rav
Meir ARAK's niece, my mother's mother's sister, the reason my mother's
uncle Rabbi Aharon Yehuda ARAK was called ARAK while his younger
brother was called Zecharya STERNKLAR was because my granduncle Aharon
was learning in Yeshiva in Prague whereas my granduncle Zecharya was
asked what his name was for the army and said STERNKLAR. To my
knowledge neither Hinda ARAK nor my granduncle Zecharya are mentioned
in the Encyclopedia. Hinda ARAK's tombstone says that that her father
was named Aharon Yehuda. I have the photo. It is >from my mother's
mother. Despite the best efforts of excellent scholars in genealogy
slip ups do occur. Usually at least you can trace how it happened from
the book itself. In the below case I think that the fact that my
mother's uncle had the same name, if you eliminate what he was not
usually also called, as his grandfather caused his individual
biographical section there to be associated with the male line ARAKs.
It's only one small paragraph but it has to be amended.

Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA


Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: MARGULIES/MARGOLIOTH Rabbinic Dynasty #rabbinic

Yisrael Asper
 

On 2005.08.02, Karen Rosenfeld Roekard <roekard@lmi.net> asked:

> [...] If, for example, a son became anything other than a rabbi
> [...] would he still be listed on these family charts [...]? Are
> the daughters all included [...]? Is there no consistency and it
> just depends on the information that was available to Wunder in
> his research? Is he totally, absolutely all inclusive and the
> final word or are there other sources?

Rabbi Wunder in his Encyclopedia Meorei Galitzia has my mother's uncle
Rabbi Aharon Yehuda ARAK's picture placed near the family tree headed
on top by Rabbi Aharon Yehuda ARAK his grandfather. Near the picture
on the other side it incorrectly says my mother's uncle Rabbi Aharon
Yehuda ARAK's father was a brother of Rav Meir ARAK. This is incorrect
as both my mother's uncle Rabbi Aharon Yehuda ARAK and his
brotherinlaw the Kishiniver Rebbe wrote in Sforim that my mother's
uncle was the son of a sister of Rav Meir ARAK named Hinda Renki ARAK.
My mother's aunt told me the same that her father was Rav Shmuel (ben
Aharon) (STERNKLAR) ARAK and that her mother was the sister of Rav
Meir ARAK. Rav Shmuel ARAK acquired the name ARAK after he married Rav
Meir ARAK's sister Hinda. Further as told me by my mother's aunt, Rav
Meir ARAK's niece, my mother's mother's sister, the reason my mother's
uncle Rabbi Aharon Yehuda ARAK was called ARAK while his younger
brother was called Zecharya STERNKLAR was because my granduncle Aharon
was learning in Yeshiva in Prague whereas my granduncle Zecharya was
asked what his name was for the army and said STERNKLAR. To my
knowledge neither Hinda ARAK nor my granduncle Zecharya are mentioned
in the Encyclopedia. Hinda ARAK's tombstone says that that her father
was named Aharon Yehuda. I have the photo. It is >from my mother's
mother. Despite the best efforts of excellent scholars in genealogy
slip ups do occur. Usually at least you can trace how it happened from
the book itself. In the below case I think that the fact that my
mother's uncle had the same name, if you eliminate what he was not
usually also called, as his grandfather caused his individual
biographical section there to be associated with the male line ARAKs.
It's only one small paragraph but it has to be amended.

Yisrael Asper
yisraelasper@comcast.net
Pittsburgh PA


Re: Where is Kadon, Russia #general

Margaret Mikulska
 

Tom Smith wrote:

The details of my paternal grandfather's background have been somewhat
of a mystery to our family. His death certificate >from 1936 in Chicago
shows his birthplace as Kadon, Russia. [...]
>
Does anyone have a notion as to which place would most likely be
referred to in English as Kadon?
This may very well be Keidan, now in Lithuania (Lith. Kedainiai, Polish
Kiejdany). See:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/acassel/keidan/keidan.html

This web site includes a database of Keidaner cemeteries, both in Keidan
itself and in various American cities (one in Chicago, but no Smith there).

-Margaret Mikulska
Princeton, NJ, USA / Warsaw, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Where is Kadon, Russia #general

Margaret Mikulska
 

Tom Smith wrote:

The details of my paternal grandfather's background have been somewhat
of a mystery to our family. His death certificate >from 1936 in Chicago
shows his birthplace as Kadon, Russia. [...]
>
Does anyone have a notion as to which place would most likely be
referred to in English as Kadon?
This may very well be Keidan, now in Lithuania (Lith. Kedainiai, Polish
Kiejdany). See:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/acassel/keidan/keidan.html

This web site includes a database of Keidaner cemeteries, both in Keidan
itself and in various American cities (one in Chicago, but no Smith there).

-Margaret Mikulska
Princeton, NJ, USA / Warsaw, Poland