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Need special MP3 equipment to listen to lectures? #latvia

lauragottlieb@juno.com <lauragottlieb@...>
 

Dear Carol,
I'm excited to hear that the IAJGS conference lectures are available
through the JewishGen Mall on CDs. However, I notice that they're in
MP3 format. Does that mean that one would need an MP3 player to listen
to them? Or will the CDs play on a computer or a boom box or CD-player? Any advice would be appreciated.
--Best, Laura

Laura Moss Gottlieb
Wisconsin, USA


Latvia SIG #Latvia Need special MP3 equipment to listen to lectures? #latvia

lauragottlieb@juno.com <lauragottlieb@...>
 

Dear Carol,
I'm excited to hear that the IAJGS conference lectures are available
through the JewishGen Mall on CDs. However, I notice that they're in
MP3 format. Does that mean that one would need an MP3 player to listen
to them? Or will the CDs play on a computer or a boom box or CD-player? Any advice would be appreciated.
--Best, Laura

Laura Moss Gottlieb
Wisconsin, USA


Did I find my great-grandmother? (Lithuanian Revision Lists) #general

sbloom@...
 

Hi,

I have been looking for my great grandmother, Chana Liba ROSENBERG, in
Lithuanian Revision List census records. I know she was >from Kovno or part
of the gubernia. I have recently found a listing in Salakas (part of Kovno
gubernia) for a Chana Liba Rozenberg with a sister Scheina Chaya (and I do
know that her sister ,Sadie, was called Scheine Chaya in Yiddish).
Interestingly enough, the parents' names seem to match too. I knew her
parents to be Yudah Leib + Bayla, and the census gives "Yudel + Baila
Golda" . I knew nothing of Salakas, but its not inconsistent with what I
have been told in the past. The only thing that might be off is that this
record seems to show that Bayla and Yudel were both dead before 1895, and
thats what other records say was Scheina Chaya's birth date. Of course,
those could easily be a few years off, since those dates are not >from a
birth record >from the time, but just a guess (probably) many years later.

I was wondering if folks had some reasonable input on whether they would
consider this a likely match.
If the names were more rare and I had heard the Salakas thing before, I'd
probably just say "yes, its a match", but with common surnames and given
names, I'm less sure. I doubt there are many more families with all of
those names matching, and in the Kovno gubernia, but it could be (I havent
seen any in these records). Also, how complete was the census? Do we have a
sense of what percentage were actually covered, and, more importantly, how
much of that census is actually in the database?

Steven Bloom
Farmville, VA


Childless in Florida #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

Thank you each and all for offering perspective & advice. There was a will
(lost), there was no probate. The letter was in response to a claim my
wife's mother made, on behalf of my wife, about 8 years ago. Many of the
emails suggested 1) that we ask the German authorities what they require
for proof of inheritance and 2) that we get notarized statements by
life-long friends of the deceased and submit them in lieu of. Good advice.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Did I find my great-grandmother? (Lithuanian Revision Lists) #general

sbloom@...
 

Hi,

I have been looking for my great grandmother, Chana Liba ROSENBERG, in
Lithuanian Revision List census records. I know she was >from Kovno or part
of the gubernia. I have recently found a listing in Salakas (part of Kovno
gubernia) for a Chana Liba Rozenberg with a sister Scheina Chaya (and I do
know that her sister ,Sadie, was called Scheine Chaya in Yiddish).
Interestingly enough, the parents' names seem to match too. I knew her
parents to be Yudah Leib + Bayla, and the census gives "Yudel + Baila
Golda" . I knew nothing of Salakas, but its not inconsistent with what I
have been told in the past. The only thing that might be off is that this
record seems to show that Bayla and Yudel were both dead before 1895, and
thats what other records say was Scheina Chaya's birth date. Of course,
those could easily be a few years off, since those dates are not >from a
birth record >from the time, but just a guess (probably) many years later.

I was wondering if folks had some reasonable input on whether they would
consider this a likely match.
If the names were more rare and I had heard the Salakas thing before, I'd
probably just say "yes, its a match", but with common surnames and given
names, I'm less sure. I doubt there are many more families with all of
those names matching, and in the Kovno gubernia, but it could be (I havent
seen any in these records). Also, how complete was the census? Do we have a
sense of what percentage were actually covered, and, more importantly, how
much of that census is actually in the database?

Steven Bloom
Farmville, VA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Childless in Florida #general

Steve Orlen
 

Dear Cousins,

Thank you each and all for offering perspective & advice. There was a will
(lost), there was no probate. The letter was in response to a claim my
wife's mother made, on behalf of my wife, about 8 years ago. Many of the
emails suggested 1) that we ask the German authorities what they require
for proof of inheritance and 2) that we get notarized statements by
life-long friends of the deceased and submit them in lieu of. Good advice.

Best, Steve Orlen
Tucson, AZ


Re: Jewish or English? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<MBernet@aol.com> wrote

==Germany did not exist as a unified nation before then but it did exist as
a cultural, linguistic and national area. In those respects it was quite
similar to the various colonies and later states that together developed into
the United States. Certainly England/Britain, France, Netherlands, Russia,
Austria-Hungary, Sweden, and Switzerland had existed by then as nation states
for some centuries, and even Italy had by then become a united monarchy.
I repeat my quote >from the articke as to how the Colonists are described in
this article about the Middle Colonies
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_059400_middlecoloni.htm.
The list of the colonists which is a combination of national and religious
origin includes Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Lutherans, German Baptists,
Swiss Pietists, Welsh Quakers, French Huguenots, Scots Presbyterians - note
the linkage of geographic area and religion.

The original question related to Colonial America and how nationality would
be referred to. I was merely pointing out when a unified Germany was formed
but the questioner was talking about an earlier period.

This was an era that predated passports but other than in a loose sense I
don't know what it meant. I know that my greatgrandfather was naturalised
British in 1871 but I don't know when that procedure was introduced.

Borders were changing all the time, and >from what you imply in the case of
Germany and Italy, the linguistic and national area became much the same.
Presumably people >from Poland were described as Polish although there was
rarely a Polish kingdom - that is unless you were German or Jewish, in which
case you regarded yourself as Austro-Hungarian and spoke German.

The Wikipedia article on nationalism says that the nation state was born in
1648 with the Treaty of Westphalia. It then says that until the nineteenth
century it was an elite phenomon. It says that multinational states such as
the Austro-Hungarian Empire began to lose their grip, and localised states
such merged into larger national entities eg Germany and Italy.

from 1815 to 1871 was formed the German Confederation.
I understand that the German mercenaries in Revolutionary America were and
are known as Hessians. We still talk about Prussian militarism, and much
reference is also made to Bavaria.

As far as Italy is concerned there is a political party, the Northern
League, that wants to secede >from the rest of Italy. I believe that Italians
are still identified mainly >from the region where they live or originate.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

PS You don't seem to have responded to my statement within the nesting that
should have occurred - that is it doesn't appear to the right of my posting
but immediately under it.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish or English? #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<MBernet@aol.com> wrote

==Germany did not exist as a unified nation before then but it did exist as
a cultural, linguistic and national area. In those respects it was quite
similar to the various colonies and later states that together developed into
the United States. Certainly England/Britain, France, Netherlands, Russia,
Austria-Hungary, Sweden, and Switzerland had existed by then as nation states
for some centuries, and even Italy had by then become a united monarchy.
I repeat my quote >from the articke as to how the Colonists are described in
this article about the Middle Colonies
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_059400_middlecoloni.htm.
The list of the colonists which is a combination of national and religious
origin includes Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Lutherans, German Baptists,
Swiss Pietists, Welsh Quakers, French Huguenots, Scots Presbyterians - note
the linkage of geographic area and religion.

The original question related to Colonial America and how nationality would
be referred to. I was merely pointing out when a unified Germany was formed
but the questioner was talking about an earlier period.

This was an era that predated passports but other than in a loose sense I
don't know what it meant. I know that my greatgrandfather was naturalised
British in 1871 but I don't know when that procedure was introduced.

Borders were changing all the time, and >from what you imply in the case of
Germany and Italy, the linguistic and national area became much the same.
Presumably people >from Poland were described as Polish although there was
rarely a Polish kingdom - that is unless you were German or Jewish, in which
case you regarded yourself as Austro-Hungarian and spoke German.

The Wikipedia article on nationalism says that the nation state was born in
1648 with the Treaty of Westphalia. It then says that until the nineteenth
century it was an elite phenomon. It says that multinational states such as
the Austro-Hungarian Empire began to lose their grip, and localised states
such merged into larger national entities eg Germany and Italy.

from 1815 to 1871 was formed the German Confederation.
I understand that the German mercenaries in Revolutionary America were and
are known as Hessians. We still talk about Prussian militarism, and much
reference is also made to Bavaria.

As far as Italy is concerned there is a political party, the Northern
League, that wants to secede >from the rest of Italy. I believe that Italians
are still identified mainly >from the region where they live or originate.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

PS You don't seem to have responded to my statement within the nesting that
should have occurred - that is it doesn't appear to the right of my posting
but immediately under it.


NYC 2006 conference #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

To those who say that New York in August is way too hot...

Ask any of the 600+ couragous souls who ventured to Las Vegas in July of
this year for the 2005 conference if the weather prevented them >from having
a great conference.

Shelly Weiner
LV2005 Resource Room Chair

BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF..(Walkowisko)Poland -->Detroit MI
FELDMAN.. (Hungary) -->New Brunswick NJ
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH.. (Ostov) Russia -->Detroit MI
RYZI/RUZI/ROSSEN.. (Staraya Rafalovka, Ukraine) -->Detroit, MI
SMOLYAR/SMOLER/SMOLAR..(Vladimerets or Stahovka Ukraine) -->Detroit MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC 2006 conference #general

Shelly Weiner <shellyjag619@...>
 

To those who say that New York in August is way too hot...

Ask any of the 600+ couragous souls who ventured to Las Vegas in July of
this year for the 2005 conference if the weather prevented them >from having
a great conference.

Shelly Weiner
LV2005 Resource Room Chair

BYCZOK/BYCHKOFF/BICHKOFF..(Walkowisko)Poland -->Detroit MI
FELDMAN.. (Hungary) -->New Brunswick NJ
NOCHINOWSKI/NASH.. (Ostov) Russia -->Detroit MI
RYZI/RUZI/ROSSEN.. (Staraya Rafalovka, Ukraine) -->Detroit, MI
SMOLYAR/SMOLER/SMOLAR..(Vladimerets or Stahovka Ukraine) -->Detroit MI


Re: The Aufbau Project from Alex Calzereth #germany

Alex Calzareth
 

I have responded privately to the people who posted messages regarding
the Aufbau project. Many volunteers including Hans Nord and Fritz
Neubauer have generously contributed their time to the project for
which I thank all of them.

I will post a message here soon detailing the history of the project
and its progress to date. Before that though I've decided to make a
sample portion of the database >from January to June 1950 available at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alcalz/1950/ . This should
give a basic idea of what the project hopes to achieve once completed.

Alex Calzareth Wantagh, NY alcalz@gmail.com


German SIG #Germany Re: The Aufbau Project from Alex Calzereth #germany

Alex Calzareth
 

I have responded privately to the people who posted messages regarding
the Aufbau project. Many volunteers including Hans Nord and Fritz
Neubauer have generously contributed their time to the project for
which I thank all of them.

I will post a message here soon detailing the history of the project
and its progress to date. Before that though I've decided to make a
sample portion of the database >from January to June 1950 available at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alcalz/1950/ . This should
give a basic idea of what the project hopes to achieve once completed.

Alex Calzareth Wantagh, NY alcalz@gmail.com


Scottish records #general

ac <anitac47@...>
 

The Scout Report just gave a URL for a Scotland Records site:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
The site contains access to over 43 million records, and was created
through a partnership between the General Register Office for Scotland, the
National Archives of Scotland, The Court of the Lord Lyon and Scotland
Online. Visitors to the site may browse indices of Scottish births >from
1553 to 1904, marriages >from 1553 to 1929, and deaths >from 1855 to 1954.
New users may want to look at the "What's in the Database" section of the
site to get a sense of the entire contents of this rather vast collection.

Regards,
Anita Citron


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Scottish records #general

ac <anitac47@...>
 

The Scout Report just gave a URL for a Scotland Records site:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
The site contains access to over 43 million records, and was created
through a partnership between the General Register Office for Scotland, the
National Archives of Scotland, The Court of the Lord Lyon and Scotland
Online. Visitors to the site may browse indices of Scottish births >from
1553 to 1904, marriages >from 1553 to 1929, and deaths >from 1855 to 1954.
New users may want to look at the "What's in the Database" section of the
site to get a sense of the entire contents of this rather vast collection.

Regards,
Anita Citron


Vilna Shtetlinks Web page #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Several months ago the Shtetlinks folks raised several objections to
the Vilna Shtetlinks web page as it existed, not the least of which was the
static surnames list. They also objected to the fact there was no real
original content. The site had been prepared almost exclusively utilizing
hyperlinks to already existing content on other web sites.

The Vilna Shtetlinks web page has now been turned over to the Shtetlinks
Coordinators who are now seeking someone else to maintain the web page. The
static list of surnames is now gone, as well as most links to library sites
around the world. Those who deleted the library sites may not have carefully
considered that Brandeis, the NYPL Jewish Division, and the other libraries
I had listed contain significant holdings of interest to Vilna researchers.
That is what I had discovered in the 9 years I've been researching Vilna
resources, having visited many of these repositories as well and bringing
home a lot of material.

Gone also are the links to several map sites including the David Rumsey web
page where you can find some very good maps of the Baltics as well as a
wonderful Russian web page containing maps of many of the Russian gubernias.

Anyone who wishes to see the content of the Vilna Shtetlinks web page prior
to the cleansing, just go to www.archive.org . Once there, insert the URL
for the Vilna web page
[ http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/vilna/vilna.htm ]. A listing will be
provided which shows the history of the web page [every time it was
updated]. This technique can be used to view old versions of any web page.

Researchers interested in specific Vilna resources and obtaining same should
contact me at Joelrat1@hotmail.com.


Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


Krasilov, Ukraine #ukraine

Hanna K. Grossman <hannakg@...>
 

E-mail has been returned to be >from Mary Jo C. Martins and Marilyn
Handelman, both people with whom I corresponded some years ago about
research regarding Krasilov, Ukraine.

If anyone has a current e-mail or other contact information for either
of them, I would be grateful.

Hanna Grosman, Cornwall Ct

Moderator's Note: Please visit the Jewishgen Lost and Found thru the
JG Support Center http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/Support.htm#q5.1


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Vilna Shtetlinks Web page #lithuania

Joel Ratner
 

Several months ago the Shtetlinks folks raised several objections to
the Vilna Shtetlinks web page as it existed, not the least of which was the
static surnames list. They also objected to the fact there was no real
original content. The site had been prepared almost exclusively utilizing
hyperlinks to already existing content on other web sites.

The Vilna Shtetlinks web page has now been turned over to the Shtetlinks
Coordinators who are now seeking someone else to maintain the web page. The
static list of surnames is now gone, as well as most links to library sites
around the world. Those who deleted the library sites may not have carefully
considered that Brandeis, the NYPL Jewish Division, and the other libraries
I had listed contain significant holdings of interest to Vilna researchers.
That is what I had discovered in the 9 years I've been researching Vilna
resources, having visited many of these repositories as well and bringing
home a lot of material.

Gone also are the links to several map sites including the David Rumsey web
page where you can find some very good maps of the Baltics as well as a
wonderful Russian web page containing maps of many of the Russian gubernias.

Anyone who wishes to see the content of the Vilna Shtetlinks web page prior
to the cleansing, just go to www.archive.org . Once there, insert the URL
for the Vilna web page
[ http://www.shtetlinks.jewishgen.org/vilna/vilna.htm ]. A listing will be
provided which shows the history of the web page [every time it was
updated]. This technique can be used to view old versions of any web page.

Researchers interested in specific Vilna resources and obtaining same should
contact me at Joelrat1@hotmail.com.


Joel Ratner
Coordinator, Vilna District Research Group


Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Krasilov, Ukraine #ukraine

Hanna K. Grossman <hannakg@...>
 

E-mail has been returned to be >from Mary Jo C. Martins and Marilyn
Handelman, both people with whom I corresponded some years ago about
research regarding Krasilov, Ukraine.

If anyone has a current e-mail or other contact information for either
of them, I would be grateful.

Hanna Grosman, Cornwall Ct

Moderator's Note: Please visit the Jewishgen Lost and Found thru the
JG Support Center http://www.jewishgen.org/JewishGen/Support.htm#q5.1


Re: ships's list question #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

The passenger list format was specified by the US government and was looking
for final destination *in the US*. I consider it as unlikely as the sun
rising in the west that a destination of Settle, UK would be indicated by
any passenger on a US arrivals Passenger list.

Many place names in the UK have been applied to places in the US, however,
as best I can tell, Settle was not among them.

On the other hand, it is quite possible that people originating in Europe
would have Seattle as a final destination in the US, and in 1890 Seattle was
certainly an established city. So I think the most likely explanation is
that Yossel and those others were in fact headed to Seattle, Washington and
the record you looked at has a spelling or transcription error in it.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

<mpcamitta@aol.com> wrote

I found a reference to Yossel BASSEIN, traveling on the ship Amalfi, in
1890. His port of entry is listed as New York, but his final
destination is listed as Settle, along with several other passengers,
with unrelated surnames, and many coming >from different locations in
Eastern Europe. I'd assumed that Settle was Seattle, but in fact, there
is a Settle in the U.K. Is it possible that Yossel traveled from
Hamburg on the Amalfi to New York, and then back to the U.K.? Do any of
you know of other Settles in other places in the world?
Also, Yossel's place of birth was listed as Borrisov, Poland. Do any of
you know of such a place? I checked shtetl seeker, but there is no
spelling that corresponds exactly to Borrisov in Poland, although there
is a Borrisov in Belarus.
Thank you in advance,
Miriam Camitta
Wynnewood, PA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: ships's list question #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

The passenger list format was specified by the US government and was looking
for final destination *in the US*. I consider it as unlikely as the sun
rising in the west that a destination of Settle, UK would be indicated by
any passenger on a US arrivals Passenger list.

Many place names in the UK have been applied to places in the US, however,
as best I can tell, Settle was not among them.

On the other hand, it is quite possible that people originating in Europe
would have Seattle as a final destination in the US, and in 1890 Seattle was
certainly an established city. So I think the most likely explanation is
that Yossel and those others were in fact headed to Seattle, Washington and
the record you looked at has a spelling or transcription error in it.

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY

<mpcamitta@aol.com> wrote

I found a reference to Yossel BASSEIN, traveling on the ship Amalfi, in
1890. His port of entry is listed as New York, but his final
destination is listed as Settle, along with several other passengers,
with unrelated surnames, and many coming >from different locations in
Eastern Europe. I'd assumed that Settle was Seattle, but in fact, there
is a Settle in the U.K. Is it possible that Yossel traveled from
Hamburg on the Amalfi to New York, and then back to the U.K.? Do any of
you know of other Settles in other places in the world?
Also, Yossel's place of birth was listed as Borrisov, Poland. Do any of
you know of such a place? I checked shtetl seeker, but there is no
spelling that corresponds exactly to Borrisov in Poland, although there
is a Borrisov in Belarus.
Thank you in advance,
Miriam Camitta
Wynnewood, PA